On 09/03/2011 01:04 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
Bill Martin wrote:

FS12746

It seems to come with an air-cooled torch, if you are doing anything
substantial, you will probably want to get a water-cooled torch and
cooler.

It is only rated at 20% duty cycle at 200 A, so you have to stop every
30 seconds or so to let it cool at rated current.

You will want to get gas lenses instead of the cheap ceramic cups to
reduce Argon usage, gas is now the most expensive part of TIG welding.

As for reliability and maintainability of the brand, I have no idea.

Jon

Thanks Jon,
It probably is ok for duty cycle and air cooled torch, I'm mostly
interested in doing tubing and sheet metal welding. Appreciate the tip
re. gas lens, had not gone that far in considering what matters to my
usage. Alternate would be a ThermalArc for about the same price, a
little less max current and no foot pedal included.

Bill

On 2011-09-03, Bill Martin wrote:
On 09/03/2011 01:04 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
Bill Martin wrote:

FS12746

It seems to come with an air-cooled torch, if you are doing anything
substantial, you will probably want to get a water-cooled torch and
cooler.

It is only rated at 20% duty cycle at 200 A, so you have to stop every
30 seconds or so to let it cool at rated current.

You will want to get gas lenses instead of the cheap ceramic cups to
reduce Argon usage, gas is now the most expensive part of TIG welding.

As for reliability and maintainability of the brand, I have no idea.

Jon

Thanks Jon,
It probably is ok for duty cycle and air cooled torch, I'm mostly
interested in doing tubing and sheet metal welding. Appreciate the tip
re. gas lens, had not gone that far in considering what matters to my
usage. Alternate would be a ThermalArc for about the same price, a
little less max current and no foot pedal included.

My expectation is for this welder to die soon after the warranty
expires, and the "vendor" to renege on warranty terms. These welders
are sold to various resellers and are private labeled by them. The
factory, apparently, does not want to put its own name on them, for
obvious reasons. This if a fly by night welder made by a fly by night
factory and sold by a fly by night private label reseller.

i

Ignoramus19057 wrote:

My expectation is for this welder to die soon after the warranty
expires, and the "vendor" to renege on warranty terms.


How can they 'renege' on an expired warranty?


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

On 2011-09-04, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Ignoramus19057 wrote:

My expectation is for this welder to die soon after the warranty
expires, and the "vendor" to renege on warranty terms.


How can they 'renege' on an expired warranty?

I phrased my thought poorly because someone distracted me. What I
wanted to say, was that I expect the machine to die as soon as it goes
out of warranty, or even before, and then I would expect the vendor to
renege on the warranty.

i

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 17:10:37 -0500, Ignoramus19057
wrote:

On 2011-09-03, Bill Martin wrote:
On 09/03/2011 01:04 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
Bill Martin wrote:

FS12746

It seems to come with an air-cooled torch, if you are doing anything
substantial, you will probably want to get a water-cooled torch and
cooler.

It is only rated at 20% duty cycle at 200 A, so you have to stop every
30 seconds or so to let it cool at rated current.

You will want to get gas lenses instead of the cheap ceramic cups to
reduce Argon usage, gas is now the most expensive part of TIG welding.

As for reliability and maintainability of the brand, I have no idea.

Jon

Thanks Jon,
It probably is ok for duty cycle and air cooled torch, I'm mostly
interested in doing tubing and sheet metal welding. Appreciate the tip
re. gas lens, had not gone that far in considering what matters to my
usage. Alternate would be a ThermalArc for about the same price, a
little less max current and no foot pedal included.

My expectation is for this welder to die soon after the warranty
expires, and the "vendor" to renege on warranty terms. These welders
are sold to various resellers and are private labeled by them. The
factory, apparently, does not want to put its own name on them, for
obvious reasons. This if a fly by night welder made by a fly by night
factory and sold by a fly by night private label reseller.

i

We shall have to remember this next time a Miller made Bumblebee welder
shows up on Ebay..or an Esab made Airco mig.
Or even a ......chuckle......

G

Gunner

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It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 20:18:05 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Ignoramus19057 wrote:

My expectation is for this welder to die soon after the warranty
expires, and the "vendor" to renege on warranty terms.


How can they 'renege' on an expired warranty?


Shusss! You will break Iggys chain of ....ah...thinking?


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"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 17:10:37 -0500, Ignoramus19057
wrote:

On 2011-09-03, Bill Martin wrote:
On 09/03/2011 01:04 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
Bill Martin wrote:

FS12746

It seems to come with an air-cooled torch, if you are doing anything
substantial, you will probably want to get a water-cooled torch and
cooler.

It is only rated at 20% duty cycle at 200 A, so you have to stop every
30 seconds or so to let it cool at rated current.

You will want to get gas lenses instead of the cheap ceramic cups to
reduce Argon usage, gas is now the most expensive part of TIG welding.

As for reliability and maintainability of the brand, I have no idea.

Jon

Thanks Jon,
It probably is ok for duty cycle and air cooled torch, I'm mostly
interested in doing tubing and sheet metal welding. Appreciate the tip
re. gas lens, had not gone that far in considering what matters to my
usage. Alternate would be a ThermalArc for about the same price, a
little less max current and no foot pedal included.

My expectation is for this welder to die soon after the warranty
expires, and the "vendor" to renege on warranty terms. These welders
are sold to various resellers and are private labeled by them. The
factory, apparently, does not want to put its own name on them, for
obvious reasons. This if a fly by night welder made by a fly by night
factory and sold by a fly by night private label reseller.

Eastwood is a pretty "stand up" vendor and they sell quality stuff. My
guess is that Eastwood will stand behind the product, but ultimately
it comes down to how much support the manufacturer will provide.

The price is certainly attractive with compared to comparable products
from Miller or Lincoln

On 09/03/2011 03:10 PM, Ignoramus19057 wrote:
On 2011-09-03, Bill wrote:
On 09/03/2011 01:04 PM, Jon Elson wrote:

My expectation is for this welder to die soon after the warranty
expires, and the "vendor" to renege on warranty terms. These welders
are sold to various resellers and are private labeled by them. The
factory, apparently, does not want to put its own name on them, for
obvious reasons. This if a fly by night welder made by a fly by night
factory and sold by a fly by night private label reseller.

i

Eastwood is not what I would call "fly-by-night". They are well know for
hight end stuff in the motorsports world. It does concern me that I
can't tell who actually makes the machine though.

bill