Not sure if you saw my questions in that other thread, so here it is again,

Tom Gardner" Mars@tacks wrote in message
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On 6/29/2011 2:13 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
Ok... I know some are going to say its just the wrong tool for the job,
but I get a lot of use out of the little Bosch Colt routers as a high
speed spindle for detail cutters on aluminum. I've got one that is due
for new bearings, and overall I am not unhappy with the stock bearings.
I get hundreds of hours out of them. I have found there are lots of
possible replacement bearings. The stock ones are only a few dollars and
I may go that way, but if a hybrid or ceramic might last longer it might
be worth paying a little more. They have to be able to handle continuous
speed upto about 35000 RPM. Actually free spin at max according to my
tach is a little higher, but I always back it off just slightly from
max. My brushes last 2-3 times as long when I do that. They have to
handle both axial and radial load. Most of the time they are shaving
thousands at high feed rates with little side load, but once in a while
on an aggressive cut/plunge with a bigger cutter I can actually hear the
motor slow down for a moment. I don't want to spend more on bearings
than the whole spindle is worth only to have them turn to ceramic powder
the first time I push them a little too hard. Suggestions? Ideas?


We use a bunch of Hitachi 1/2" VS routers...probably very similar. We get
about 250 hrs on a set of bearings, but we beat the crap out of them. We
use the stock replacement bearings and usually have to pitch the router at
750 hours. For me, better bearings probably isn't worth the cost.

Thanks Tom. I was hoping somebody who beats on routers the way I do would
answer. After posting I realized I had about answered my own question. The
stock bearings are satisfactory and dirt cheap. If I find a good
replacement interval for bearings and brushes its pretty cheap to keep them
going. I have a question though. Why are you pitching them at 750 hours?
What is wearing out that isn't easily replaceable? Not that $99 for a whole
new router (today's price for the 20 series Colt at The Box) is a lot of
money to just replace them. I bought one today so I would have a spare to
use while rebuilding others. At that price if they'd had more than one I
would have probably bought three or four of them.

On 7/1/2011 2:33 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
Not sure if you saw my questions in that other thread, so here it is again,

Tom Gardner" Mars@tacks wrote in message
...
On 6/29/2011 2:13 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
Ok... I know some are going to say its just the wrong tool for the job,
but I get a lot of use out of the little Bosch Colt routers as a high
speed spindle for detail cutters on aluminum. I've got one that is due
for new bearings, and overall I am not unhappy with the stock bearings.
I get hundreds of hours out of them. I have found there are lots of
possible replacement bearings. The stock ones are only a few dollars and
I may go that way, but if a hybrid or ceramic might last longer it might
be worth paying a little more. They have to be able to handle continuous
speed upto about 35000 RPM. Actually free spin at max according to my
tach is a little higher, but I always back it off just slightly from
max. My brushes last 2-3 times as long when I do that. They have to
handle both axial and radial load. Most of the time they are shaving
thousands at high feed rates with little side load, but once in a while
on an aggressive cut/plunge with a bigger cutter I can actually hear the
motor slow down for a moment. I don't want to spend more on bearings
than the whole spindle is worth only to have them turn to ceramic powder
the first time I push them a little too hard. Suggestions? Ideas?


We use a bunch of Hitachi 1/2" VS routers...probably very similar. We get
about 250 hrs on a set of bearings, but we beat the crap out of them. We
use the stock replacement bearings and usually have to pitch the
router at
750 hours. For me, better bearings probably isn't worth the cost.

Thanks Tom. I was hoping somebody who beats on routers the way I do would
answer. After posting I realized I had about answered my own question. The
stock bearings are satisfactory and dirt cheap. If I find a good
replacement interval for bearings and brushes its pretty cheap to keep them
going. I have a question though. Why are you pitching them at 750 hours?
What is wearing out that isn't easily replaceable? Not that $99 for a whole
new router (today's price for the 20 series Colt at The Box) is a lot of
money to just replace them. I bought one today so I would have a spare to
use while rebuilding others. At that price if they'd had more than one I
would have probably bought three or four of them.



Wa mount a 1-1/2" Rabiting carbide cutter and are cutting kiln-dried
Beech. At @750 (I just go by how many per year) they are pretty beat up
internally and externally. They are so cheap, it's not worth a
mechanics time to replace castings, armatures and such.

"Tom Gardner" Mars@tacks wrote in message
...
On 7/1/2011 2:33 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
Not sure if you saw my questions in that other thread, so here it is
again,

Tom Gardner" Mars@tacks wrote in message
...
On 6/29/2011 2:13 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
Ok... I know some are going to say its just the wrong tool for the job,
but I get a lot of use out of the little Bosch Colt routers as a high
speed spindle for detail cutters on aluminum. I've got one that is due
for new bearings, and overall I am not unhappy with the stock bearings.
I get hundreds of hours out of them. I have found there are lots of
possible replacement bearings. The stock ones are only a few dollars
and
I may go that way, but if a hybrid or ceramic might last longer it
might
be worth paying a little more. They have to be able to handle
continuous
speed upto about 35000 RPM. Actually free spin at max according to my
tach is a little higher, but I always back it off just slightly from
max. My brushes last 2-3 times as long when I do that. They have to
handle both axial and radial load. Most of the time they are shaving
thousands at high feed rates with little side load, but once in a while
on an aggressive cut/plunge with a bigger cutter I can actually hear
the
motor slow down for a moment. I don't want to spend more on bearings
than the whole spindle is worth only to have them turn to ceramic
powder
the first time I push them a little too hard. Suggestions? Ideas?


We use a bunch of Hitachi 1/2" VS routers...probably very similar. We
get
about 250 hrs on a set of bearings, but we beat the crap out of them. We
use the stock replacement bearings and usually have to pitch the
router at
750 hours. For me, better bearings probably isn't worth the cost.

Thanks Tom. I was hoping somebody who beats on routers the way I do would
answer. After posting I realized I had about answered my own question.
The
stock bearings are satisfactory and dirt cheap. If I find a good
replacement interval for bearings and brushes its pretty cheap to keep
them
going. I have a question though. Why are you pitching them at 750 hours?
What is wearing out that isn't easily replaceable? Not that $99 for a
whole
new router (today's price for the 20 series Colt at The Box) is a lot of
money to just replace them. I bought one today so I would have a spare to
use while rebuilding others. At that price if they'd had more than one I
would have probably bought three or four of them.



Wa mount a 1-1/2" Rabiting carbide cutter and are cutting kiln-dried
Beech. At @750 (I just go by how many per year) they are pretty beat up
internally and externally. They are so cheap, it's not worth a mechanics
time to replace castings, armatures and such.

Ok, Thanks Tom. That's what I wanted to know. So far I am just wearing out
brushes and bearings. It only takes about 15 minutes to replace bearings
and seconds to replace brushes so it is cheaper for my time than buying a
new one. I will carefully check armatures, castings, and plastic parts when
servicing and follow your lead if any of those are cracked.

On 7/2/2011 1:53 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:


"Tom Gardner" Mars@tacks wrote in message
...
On 7/1/2011 2:33 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
Not sure if you saw my questions in that other thread, so here it is
again,

Tom Gardner" Mars@tacks wrote in message
...
On 6/29/2011 2:13 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
Ok... I know some are going to say its just the wrong tool for the
job,
but I get a lot of use out of the little Bosch Colt routers as a high
speed spindle for detail cutters on aluminum. I've got one that is due
for new bearings, and overall I am not unhappy with the stock
bearings.
I get hundreds of hours out of them. I have found there are lots of
possible replacement bearings. The stock ones are only a few
dollars and
I may go that way, but if a hybrid or ceramic might last longer it
might
be worth paying a little more. They have to be able to handle
continuous
speed upto about 35000 RPM. Actually free spin at max according to my
tach is a little higher, but I always back it off just slightly from
max. My brushes last 2-3 times as long when I do that. They have to
handle both axial and radial load. Most of the time they are shaving
thousands at high feed rates with little side load, but once in a
while
on an aggressive cut/plunge with a bigger cutter I can actually
hear the
motor slow down for a moment. I don't want to spend more on bearings
than the whole spindle is worth only to have them turn to ceramic
powder
the first time I push them a little too hard. Suggestions? Ideas?


We use a bunch of Hitachi 1/2" VS routers...probably very similar.
We get
about 250 hrs on a set of bearings, but we beat the crap out of
them. We
use the stock replacement bearings and usually have to pitch the
router at
750 hours. For me, better bearings probably isn't worth the cost.

Thanks Tom. I was hoping somebody who beats on routers the way I do
would
answer. After posting I realized I had about answered my own
question. The
stock bearings are satisfactory and dirt cheap. If I find a good
replacement interval for bearings and brushes its pretty cheap to
keep them
going. I have a question though. Why are you pitching them at 750 hours?
What is wearing out that isn't easily replaceable? Not that $99 for a
whole
new router (today's price for the 20 series Colt at The Box) is a lot of
money to just replace them. I bought one today so I would have a
spare to
use while rebuilding others. At that price if they'd had more than one I
would have probably bought three or four of them.



Wa mount a 1-1/2" Rabiting carbide cutter and are cutting kiln-dried
Beech. At @750 (I just go by how many per year) they are pretty beat
up internally and externally. They are so cheap, it's not worth a
mechanics time to replace castings, armatures and such.

Ok, Thanks Tom. That's what I wanted to know. So far I am just wearing
out brushes and bearings. It only takes about 15 minutes to replace
bearings and seconds to replace brushes so it is cheaper for my time
than buying a new one. I will carefully check armatures, castings, and
plastic parts when servicing and follow your lead if any of those are
cracked.




For some reason little shavings of fine cut steel wire get into
everything. Commutators on brushed motors get mangled and can only be
dressed a couple of times. The other enemy of machines and tools is
careless people...they just don't care, it's not their stuff. I cringe
every time I have to bring any of my personal tools or equipment to work.