On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:19:00 +1000, "Why are people so cruel"
wrote:


stupid to the $1.7 trillion in US bonds OR the US will do something
silly and force the Chinese into a war like they did with the Japanese
in 1941.

Explain forcing the Japanese to attack us; that's a new one to me.

RWL

On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:52:23 -0400, GeoLane at PTD dot NET
GeoLane at PTD dot NET wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:19:00 +1000, "Why are people so cruel"
wrote:


stupid to the $1.7 trillion in US bonds OR the US will do something
silly and force the Chinese into a war like they did with the Japanese
in 1941.

Explain forcing the Japanese to attack us; that's a new one to me.

RWL

=====================
In 1941 the US, in cooperation with local producers such as
the Dutch East Indies, instituted an oil embargo [at that
time the US was a major oil exporter] as a response to
Japanese aggression against China. IMNSHO from Washing
ton's perspective this was not so much to start a war, but
rather to limit the capability of the Japanese war machine,
which it would have done, e.g. no av-gas and bunker-c for
their navy.

From post war records it appears that very considerable
internal Japanese discussions about abandoning the colonial
wars in Manchuria/China occurred, but Japan did not trust
the US, and would have been out of petroleum based fuels for
their navy in at most six months. Additionally a very large
amount of the raw materials required by their industries at
that time were obtained from Manchuria/China, so to
acquiesce to the US demands would mean the operational
destruction of not only their Navy, but the destruction of
their heavy industry which had been developed over the prior
20 years at enormous human and financial costs. Rather than
face certain ruin, the Japanese decided to roll the dice and
go out fighting, which resulted in December 7th.

http://www.iwm.org.uk/upload/package...rategic_bg.htm

http://www.theamericancause.org/patwhydidjapan.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor
snip
The U.S. ceased oil exports to Japan in July 1941, following
Japanese expansion into French Indochina after the fall of
France, in part because of new American restrictions on
domestic oil consumption.[21] This in turn caused the
Japanese to proceed with plans to take the Dutch East
Indies, an oil-rich territory.[nb 4] The Japanese were faced
with the option of either withdrawing from China and losing
face or seizing and securing new sources of raw materials in
the resource-rich, European-controlled colonies of South
East Asia.
snip
Over the next several months, pilots trained, equipment was
adapted, and intelligence collected. Despite these
preparations, the attack plan was not approved by Emperor
Hirohito until November 5, after the third of four Imperial
Conferences called to consider the matter.[27] Final
authorization was not given by the emperor until December 1,
after a majority of Japanese leaders advised him the "Hull
Note" would "destroy the fruits of the China incident,
endanger Manchukuo and undermine Japanese control of Korea."
snip


--
Unka' George

"Gold is the money of kings,
silver is the money of gentlemen,
barter is the money of peasants,
but debt is the money of slaves"

-Norm Franz, "Money and Wealth in the New Millenium"

On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:52:23 -0400, GeoLane at PTD dot NET GeoLane at
PTD dot NET wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:19:00 +1000, "Why are people so cruel"
wrote:


stupid to the $1.7 trillion in US bonds OR the US will do something
silly and force the Chinese into a war like they did with the Japanese
in 1941.

Explain forcing the Japanese to attack us; that's a new one to me.

RWL

Its not to me. But I often hear those sorts of mentally ill people make
all sorts of claims.

We have lots of them pestering the normal people here on Usenet.

Gunner
--
Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath.
Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.

On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:57:39 -0500, F. George McDuffee
wrote:

Explain forcing the Japanese to attack us; that's a new one to me.

RWL

=====================
In 1941 the US, in cooperation with local producers such as
the Dutch East Indies, instituted an oil embargo [at that
time the US was a major oil exporter] as a response to
Japanese aggression against China.

Ayup. Boycott/embargo against the Rape of Nanking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

The Nanking Massacre or Nanjing Massacre, also known as the Rape of
Nanking, was a mass murder and war rape that occurred during the
six-week period following the Japanese capture of the city of Nanjing
(Nanking), the former capital of the Republic of China, on December 13,
1937 during the Second Sino-Japanese War. During this period hundreds of
thousands of Chinese civilians and disarmed soldiers were murdered and
20,000–80,000 women were raped[1] by soldiers of the Imperial Japanese
Army.[2][3][4]......

Japanese war crimes on the march to Nanking
One of articles on the "Contest to kill 100 people using a sword"
published in the Tokyo Nichi Nichi Shimbun. The headline reads,
"'Incredible Record' (in the Contest to Cut Down 100 People) —Mukai 106
– 105 Noda—Both 2nd Lieutenants Go Into Extra Innings".[13]
Sword used in the "contest" on display at the Republic of China Armed
Forces Museum in Taipei, Taiwan

Although the Nanking Massacre is generally described as having occurred
over a six-week period after the fall of Nanking, the crimes committed
by the Japanese army were not limited to that period. Many atrocities
were reported to have been committed as the Japanese army advanced from
Shanghai to Nanking.

According to one Japanese journalist embedded with Imperial forces at
the time, "The reason that the [10th Army] is advancing to Nanking quite
rapidly is due to the tacit consent among the officers and men that they
could loot and rape as they wish."[14]

Novelist Ishikawa Tatsuzo vividly described how the 16th Division of the
Shanghai Expeditionary Force committed atrocities on the march between
Shanghai and Nanking in his novel Ikiteiru Heitai [Living Soldiers],
which was based on interviews that Tatsuzo conducted with troops in
Nanking in January 1938.[15]

Perhaps the most notorious atrocity was a killing contest between two
Japanese officers as reported in the Tokyo Nichi Nichi Shimbun and the
English language Japan Advertiser. The contest was covered much like a
sporting event with regular updates on the score over a series of
days.[16][17] In Japan, the veracity of the newspaper article about the
contest was the subject of ferocious debate for several decades starting
in 1967.[18]

In 2000, historian Bob Wakabayashi concurred with certain Japanese
scholars who had argued that the contest was a concocted story, with the
collusion of the soldiers themselves for the purpose of raising the
national fighting spirit.[19] In 2005, a Tokyo district judge dismissed
a suit by the families of the lieutenants, stating that "the lieutenants
admitted the fact that they raced to kill 100 people".....

Massacre

Eyewitness accounts of Westerners and Chinese present at Nanking in the
weeks after the fall of the city state that over the course of six weeks
following the fall of Nanking, Japanese troops engaged in rape, murder,
theft, arson, and other war crimes. Some of these accounts came from
foreigners who opted to stay behind in order to protect Chinese
civilians from harm, including the diaries of John Rabe and American
Minnie Vautrin. Other accounts include first-person testimonies of the
Nanking Massacre survivors, eyewitness reports of journalists (both
Western and Japanese), as well as the field diaries of military
personnel. American missionary John Magee stayed behind to provide a 16
mm film documentary and first-hand photographs of the Nanking
Massacre.[citation needed]

A group of foreign expatriates headed by John Rabe had formed the 15-man
International Committee on November 22 and mapped out the Nanking Safety
Zone in order to safeguard civilians in the city, where the population
numbered from 200,000 to 250,000. Rabe and American missionary Lewis S.
C. Smythe, secretary of the International Committee and a professor of
sociology at the University of Nanking, recorded the actions of the
Japanese troops and filed complaints to the Japanese embassy.[citation
needed]
[edit] Rape
Photo taken in Xuzhou, showing the body of a woman profaned in a similar
way to the teenager described in case 5 of John Magee's movie.
Case 5 of John Magee's film: on December 13, 1937, about 30 Japanese
soldiers murdered all but 2 Chinese of 11 in the house at No. 5
Xinlukou. A woman and her two teenager daughters were raped, and
Japanese rammed a bottle and a cane in the vagina. An eight-year old
girl was stabbed but she and her younger sister survived. They were
found alive two weeks after the killings by an elderly woman shown in
the photo. Bodies of the victims can also be seen in the photo.[37][38]

The International Military Tribunal for the Far East estimated that
20,000 women were raped, including infants and the elderly.[39] A large
portion of these rapes were systematized in a process where soldiers
would search door-to-door for young girls, with many women taken captive
and gang raped.[40] The women were often killed immediately after the
rape, often through explicit mutilation[41] or by stabbing a bayonet,
long stick of bamboo,[42] or other objects into the vagina. Young
children were not exempt from these atrocities, and were cut open to
allow Japanese soldiers to rape them.

On 19 December 1937, Reverend James M. McCallum wrote in his diary:

I know not where to end. Never I have heard or read such brutality.
Rape! Rape! Rape! We estimate at least 1,000 cases a night, and many by
day. In case of resistance or anything that seems like disapproval,
there is a bayonet stab or a bullet ... People are hysterical ... Women
are being carried off every morning, afternoon and evening. The whole
Japanese army seems to be free to go and come as it pleases, and to do
whatever it pleases.[43]

On March 7, 1938, Robert O. Wilson, a surgeon at the
American-administered University Hospital in the Safety Zone, wrote in a
letter to his family, "a conservative estimate of people slaughtered in
cold blood is somewhere about 100,000, including of course thousands of
soldiers that had thrown down their arms".[44]

Here are two excerpts from his letters of 15 and 18 December 1937 to his
family:

The slaughter of civilians is appalling. I could go on for pages
telling of cases of rape and brutality almost beyond belief. Two
bayoneted corpses are the only survivors of seven street cleaners who
were sitting in their headquarters when Japanese soldiers came in
without warning or reason and killed five of their number and wounded
the two that found their way to the hospital.

Let me recount some instances occurring in the last two days. Last
night the house of one of the Chinese staff members of the university
was broken into and two of the women, his relatives, were raped. Two
girls, about 16, were raped to death in one of the refugee camps. In the
University Middle School where there are 8,000 people the Japs came in
ten times last night, over the wall, stole food, clothing, and raped
until they were satisfied. They bayoneted one little boy of eight who
have [sic] five bayonet wounds including one that penetrated his
stomach, a portion of omentum was outside the abdomen. I think he will
live.[45]

In his diary kept during the aggression to the city and its occupation
by the Imperial Japanese Army, the leader of the Safety Zone, John Rabe,
wrote many comments about Japanese atrocities. For 17 December:

Two Japanese soldiers have climbed over the garden wall and are
about to break into our house. When I appear they give the excuse that
they saw two Chinese soldiers climb over the wall. When I show them my
party badge, they return the same way. In one of the houses in the
narrow street behind my garden wall, a woman was raped, and then wounded
in the neck with a bayonet. I managed to get an ambulance so we can take
her to Kulou Hospital ... Last night up to 1,000 women and girls are
said to have been raped, about 100 girls at Ginling College Girls alone.
You hear nothing but rape. If husbands or brothers intervene, they're
shot. What you hear and see on all sides is the brutality and bestiality
of the Japanese soldiers.[46]

There are also accounts of Japanese troops forcing families to commit
acts of incest.[47] Sons were forced to rape their mothers, fathers were
forced to rape daughters. One pregnant woman who was gang-raped by
Japanese soldiers gave birth only a few hours later; although the baby
appeared to be physically unharmed (Robert B. Edgerton, Warriors of the
Rising Sun). Monks who had declared a life of celibacy were also forced
to rape women.
[edit] Massacre of civilians
A boy was killed by Japanese with a butt of a rifle, because he did not
take off his hat.

On 13 December 1937, Rabe wrote in his diary:

It is not until we tour the city that we learn the extent of
destruction. We come across corpses every 100 to 200 yards. The bodies
of civilians that I examined had bullet holes in their backs. These
people had presumably been fleeing and were shot from behind. The
Japanese march through the city in groups of ten to twenty soldiers and
loot the shops (...) I watched with my own eyes as they looted the café
of our German baker Herr Kiessling. Hempel's hotel was broken into as
well, as almost every shop on Chung Shang and Taiping Road.[48]

On 10 February 1938, Legation Secretary of the German Embassy, Rosen,
wrote to his Foreign Ministry about a film made in December by Reverend
John Magee to recommend its purchase. Here is an excerpt from his letter
and a description of some of its shots, kept in the Political Archives
of the Foreign Ministry in Berlin.

During the Japanese reign of terror in Nanking – which, by the way,
continues to this day to a considerable degree – the Reverend John
Magee, a member of the American Episcopal Church Mission who has been
here for almost a quarter of a century, took motion pictures that
eloquently bear witness to the atrocities committed by the Japanese ....
One will have to wait and see whether the highest officers in the
Japanese army succeed, as they have indicated, in stopping the
activities of their troops, which continue even today.[49]

On December 13, about 30 soldiers came to a Chinese house at #5
Hsing Lu Koo in the southeastern part of Nanking, and demanded entrance.
The door was open by the landlord, a Mohammedan named Ha. They killed
him immediately with a revolver and also Mrs. Ha, who knelt before them
after Ha's death, begging them not to kill anyone else. Mrs. Ha asked
them why they killed her husband and they shot her. Mrs. Hsia was
dragged out from under a table in the guest hall where she had tried to
hide with her 1 year old baby. After being stripped and raped by one or
more men, she was bayoneted in the chest, and then had a bottle thrust
into her vagina. The baby was killed with a bayonet. Some soldiers then
went to the next room, where Mrs. Hsia's parents, aged 76 and 74, and
her two daughters aged 16 and 14. They were about to rape the girls when
the grandmother tried to protect them. The soldiers killed her with a
revolver. The grandfather grasped the body of his wife and was killed.
The two girls were then stripped, the elder being raped by 2–3 men, and
the younger by 3. The older girl was stabbed afterwards and a cane was
rammed in her vagina. The younger girl was bayoneted also but was spared
the horrible treatment that had been meted out to her sister and mother.
The soldiers then bayoneted another sister of between 7–8, who was also
in the room. The last murders in the house were of Ha's two children,
aged 4 and 2 respectively. The older was bayoneted and the younger split
down through the head with a sword.[50]

Pregnant women were a target of murder, as they would often be bayoneted
in the stomach, sometimes after rape. Tang Junshan, survivor and witness
to one of the Japanese army’s systematic mass killings, testified:

The seventh and last person in the first row was a pregnant woman.
The soldier thought he might as well rape her before killing her, so he
pulled her out of the group to a spot about ten meters away. As he was
trying to rape her, the woman resisted fiercely ... The soldier abruptly
stabbed her in the belly with a bayonet. She gave a final scream as her
intestines spilled out. Then the soldier stabbed the fetus, with its
umbilical cord clearly visible, and tossed it aside.[51]

According to Navy veteran Sho Mitani, 'The Army used a trumpet sound
that meant "Kill all Chinese who run away"'.[52] Thousands were led away
and mass-executed in an excavation known as the "Ten-Thousand-Corpse
Ditch", a trench measuring about 300m long and 5m wide. Since records
were not kept, estimates regarding the number of victims buried in the
ditch range from 4,000 to 20,000. However, most scholars and historians
consider the number to be more than 12,000 victims.[53]
[edit] Extrajudicial killing of Chinese POWs

On August 6, 1937, Hirohito had personally ratified his army's
proposition to remove the constraints of international law on the
treatment of Chinese prisoners. This directive also advised staff
officers to stop using the term "prisoner of war".[54]
A Chinese POW about to be beheaded by a Japanese officer with a shin
gunto during the Nanking Massacre.

Immediately after the fall of the city, Japanese troops embarked on a
determined search for former soldiers, in which thousands of young men
were captured. Many were taken to the Yangtze River, where they were
machine-gunned. What was probably the single largest massacre of Chinese
troops occurred along the banks of the Yangtze River on December 18 in
what is called the Straw String Gorge Massacre. Japanese soldiers took
most of the morning tying all of the POWs hands together and in the dusk
divided them into 4 columns, and opened fire at them. Unable to escape,
the POWs could only scream and thrash in desperation. It took an hour
for the sounds of death to stop, and even longer for the Japanese to
bayonet each individual. Most were dumped into the Yangtze. It is
estimated that at least 57,500 Chinese POWs were killed.[citation
needed]

The Japanese troops gathered 1,300 Chinese soldiers and civilians at
Taiping Gate and killed them. The victims were blown up with landmines,
then doused with petrol before being set on fire. Those that were left
alive afterward were killed with bayonets.[55]

F. Tillman Durdin and Archibald Steele, American news correspondents,
reported that they had seen bodies of killed Chinese soldiers forming
mounds six feet high at the Nanking Yijiang gate in the north. Durdin,
who was working for the New York Times, made a tour of Nanking before
his departure from the city. He heard waves of machine-gun fire and
witnessed the Japanese soldiers gun down some two hundred Chinese within
ten minutes. Two days later, in his report to the New York Times, he
stated that the alleys and street were filled with civilian bodies,
including women and children.[56]

According to a testimony made by missionary Ralph L. Phillips to the
U.S. State Assembly Investigating Committee, he was "forced to watch
while the Japs disembowled a Chinese soldier" and "roasted his heart and
liver and ate them".[57]

[edit] Theft and arson

One-third of the city was destroyed as a result of arson. According to
reports, Japanese troops torched newly-built government buildings as
well as the homes of many civilians. There was considerable destruction
to areas outside the city walls. Soldiers pillaged from the poor and the
wealthy alike. The lack of resistance from Chinese troops and civilians
in Nanking meant that the Japanese soldiers were free to divide up the
city's valuables as they saw fit. This resulted in the widespread
looting and burglary.[58]

On 17 December, John Rabe wrote as chairman a complaint to Kiyoshi
Fukui, second secretary of the Japanese Embassy. The following is an
excerpt:

In other words, on the 13th when your troops entered the city, we
had nearly all the civilian population gathered in a Zone in which there
had been very little destruction by stray shells and no looting by
Chinese soldiers even in full retreat ... All 27 Occidentals in the city
at that time and our Chinese population were totally surprised by the
reign of robbery, raping and killing initiated by your soldiers on the
14th. All we are asking in our protest is that you restore order among
your troops and get the normal life city going as soon as possible. In
the latter process we are glad to cooperate in any way we can. But even
last night between 8 and 9 p.m. when five Occidentals members of our
staff and Committee toured the Zone to observe conditions, we did not
find any single Japanese patrol either in the Zone or at the
entrances![59]

Nanking Safety Zone and the role of foreigners

The Japanese troops did respect the Zone to an extent; no shells entered
that part of the city leading up to the Japanese occupation except a few
stray shots. During the chaos following the attack of the city, some
were killed in the Safety Zone, but the crimes that took place in the
rest of the city were far greater by all accounts.

The Japanese soldiers committed actions in the Safety Zone that were
part of the larger Nanking Massacre. The International Committee
appealed a number of times to the Japanese army, with John Rabe using
his credentials as a Nazi Party member, but to no avail. Rabe wrote that
from time to time the Japanese would enter the Safety Zone at will,
carry off a few hundred men and women, and either summarily execute them
or rape and then kill them.[60]

By February 5, 1938, the International Committee had forwarded to the
Japanese embassy a total of 450 cases of murder, rape, and general
disorder by Japanese soldiers that had been reported after the American,
British and German diplomats had returned to their embassies.[61]

"Case 5- On the night of December 14th, there were many cases of
Japanese soldiers entering houses and raping women or taking them away.
This created panic in the area and hundreds of women moved into the
Ginling College campus yesterday."[61]

"Case 10- On the night of December 15th, a number of Japanese
soldiers entered the University of Nanking buildings at Tao Yuen and
raped 30 women on the spot, some by six men."[61]

"Case 13 – December 18, 4 p.m., at No. 18 I Ho Lu, Japanese soldiers
wanted a man's cigarette case and when he hesitated, one of the soldier
crashed in the side of his head with a bayonet. The man is now at the
University Hospital and is not expected to live."[61]

"Case 14 – On December 16th, seven girls (ages ranged from 16 to 21)
were taken away from the Military College. Five returned. Each girl was
raped six or seven times daily- reported December 18th."[61]

"Case 15 – There are about 540 refugees crowded in #83 and 85 on
Canton Road... More than 30 women and girls have been raped. The women
and children are crying all nights. Conditions inside the compound are
worse than we can describe. Please give us help."[61]

"Case 16- A Chinese girl named Loh, who, with her mother and
brother, was living in one of the Refugee Centers in the Refugee Zone,
was shot through the head and killed by a Japanese soldier. The girl was
14 years old. The incident occurred near the Kuling Ssu, a noted temple
on the border of the Refugee zone (...)"[61]

"Case 19 – January 30th, about 5 p.m. Mr. Sone (of the Nanking
Theological Seminary) was greeted by several hundred women pleading with
him that they would not have to go home on February 4th. They said it
was no use going home they might just as well be killed for staying at
the camp as to be raped, robbed or killed at home. (...) One old woman
62 years old went home near Hansimen and Japanese soldiers came at night
and wanted to rape her. She said she was too old. So the soldiers rammed
a stick up her. But she survived to come back."[61]

It is said that Rabe rescued between 200,000 – 250,000 Chinese people.

Death toll estimates

Estimates of the number of victims vary based on the definitions of the
geographical range and the duration of the event.

According to the International Military Tribunal for the Far East,
estimates made at a later date indicate that the total number of
civilians and prisoners of war murdered in Nanking and its vicinity
during the first six weeks of the Japanese occupation was over 200,000.
These estimates are borne out by the figures of burial societies and
other organizations, which testify to over 155,000 buried bodies. These
figures do not take into account those persons whose bodies were
destroyed by burning, drowning, or other means.[68]

According to the verdict of the Nanjing War Crimes Tribunal on 10 March
1947, there are "more than 190,000 mass slaughtered civilians and
Chinese soldiers killed by machine gun by the Japanese army, whose
corpses have been burned to destroy proof. Besides, we count more than
150,000 victims of barbarian acts buried by the charity organizations.
We thus have a total of more than 300,000 victims."[69]

The extent of the atrocities is debated, with numbers[70] ranging from
some Japanese claims of several hundred,[71] to the Chinese claim of a
non-combatant death toll of 300,000.[72] A number of Japanese
researchers consider 100,000–200,000 to be an accurate estimate.[73]

Other nations believe the death toll to be between 150,000–300,000,
based on the Nanjing War Crimes Tribunal verdict, and another estimate
of the civilian toll (excluding soldiers and POWs) is about
40,000–60,000, which corresponds to the figures from three sources; one
is the Red Army's official journal of the time, Hangdibao and another is
that of Miner Searle Bates of the International Safety Zone Committee,
and the third is the aforementioned figure written by John Rabe in a
letter.[74] The casualty count of 300,000 was first promulgated in
January 1938 by Harold Timperley, a journalist in China during the
Japanese invasion, based on reports from contemporary
eyewitnesses.[citation needed] Other sources, including Iris Chang's The
Rape of Nanking, also conclude that the death toll reached 300,000. In
December 2007, newly declassified U.S. government show that a telegraph
of U.S. ambassador to Germany in Berlin sent one day after the Japanese
army occupied Nanjing, stating that he heard Japanese Ambassador in
Germany boasting that Japanese army killed 500,000 Chinese people as the
Japanese army advanced from Shanghai to Nanking.[75]


Then of course we have:

Bataan Death March
Burma Railway
Changde chemical weapon attack
Japanese human experimentation on the Chinese
Japanese Society for History Textbook Reform
Kaimingjie germ weapon attack

And the :

Masanobu Tsuji
Red Swastika Society
Sanko sakusen
Shantung Incident
Shiro Azuma
Sook Ching Massacre
Unit 100
Unit 731


Google will assist you in your research.


Which speaks volumes about the individual protesting the US "forcing the
Japanese" to attack Pearl.........doesnt it?


Gunner

--
Maxim 12: A soft answer turneth away wrath.
Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.