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I need to make some clear front sight apertures for my target rifle.
These have a conical hole bored in the center, which makes a small black ring when mounted in a hooded sight tube. The commercial ones are getting scarce, especially in the sizes I need. The OD is ~ 0.86", and the inner hole will go down as small as 0.095" I'd like to turn the OD on a short stack of blanks bolted to an arbor with a 2-56 screw. If I can cut them into rough octagons, I should be able to turn them to size fairly easily. What I'm wondering about is the best way to cut out the rough blanks without raising a burr or making a mess out of the protective plastic/paper film on the back side. I'd planned on using my bandsaw, but my experience is that the back of plastic cut on it is pretty rough. I was thinking I could back up the plastic with scrap masonite to get a cleaner cut. It might also be time to put a new blade on the saw. I thought about sticking the plastic down with double stick, but I suspect the protective film would come off when I try to remove the backer. Any other tricks or suggestions? Thanks! Doug White |
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Doug White wrote: I need to make some clear front sight apertures for my target rifle. These have a conical hole bored in the center, which makes a small black ring when mounted in a hooded sight tube. The commercial ones are getting scarce, especially in the sizes I need. The OD is ~ 0.86", and the inner hole will go down as small as 0.095" I'd like to turn the OD on a short stack of blanks bolted to an arbor with a 2-56 screw. If I can cut them into rough octagons, I should be able to turn them to size fairly easily. What I'm wondering about is the best way to cut out the rough blanks without raising a burr or making a mess out of the protective plastic/paper film on the back side. I'd planned on using my bandsaw, but my experience is that the back of plastic cut on it is pretty rough. I was thinking I could back up the plastic with scrap masonite to get a cleaner cut. It might also be time to put a new blade on the saw. I thought about sticking the plastic down with double stick, but I suspect the protective film would come off when I try to remove the backer. Any other tricks or suggestions? Thanks! Doug White It's been quite a few years (I did a lot of round plexiglas things back in my lab-rat days), but either a sharp holesaw or a flycutter, either one run slow enough and/or with enough air to keep it cool to limit chip-melting, might be worth a shot. Then again, a coping saw or jewelers saw would let you control cut speed to a fair thee well and might get the job done as well or better than the bandsaw would. Generally backside roughness == melted and re-welded chips. For thin stock shears or tinsnips might work, nipping the corners off - at some point (of thickness) they stop cutting and start shattering, though. -- Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by |
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"Doug White" wrote in message . .. I need to make some clear front sight apertures for my target rifle. These have a conical hole bored in the center, which makes a small black ring when mounted in a hooded sight tube. The commercial ones are getting scarce, especially in the sizes I need. The OD is ~ 0.86", and the inner hole will go down as small as 0.095" I'd like to turn the OD on a short stack of blanks bolted to an arbor with a 2-56 screw. If I can cut them into rough octagons, I should be able to turn them to size fairly easily. What I'm wondering about is the best way to cut out the rough blanks without raising a burr or making a mess out of the protective plastic/paper film on the back side. I'd planned on using my bandsaw, but my experience is that the back of plastic cut on it is pretty rough. I was thinking I could back up the plastic with scrap masonite to get a cleaner cut. It might also be time to put a new blade on the saw. I thought about sticking the plastic down with double stick, but I suspect the protective film would come off when I try to remove the backer. Any other tricks or suggestions? Thanks! Doug White Score both sides with a utility knife and snap off with a pliers. |
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On 2011-04-08, Doug White wrote:
I need to make some clear front sight apertures for my target rifle. These have a conical hole bored in the center, which makes a small black ring when mounted in a hooded sight tube. The commercial ones are getting scarce, especially in the sizes I need. The OD is ~ 0.86", and the inner hole will go down as small as 0.095" I'd like to turn the OD on a short stack of blanks bolted to an arbor with a 2-56 screw. Hmm ... I think that 2-56 would not be strong enough for even a short stack. What I would do is get a replaceable tip tailstock live center, and make a tip with a center hole for it which would slide over the center rod and clamp the stack firmly in place. I've used a variation on this to turn new crystals for dial indicators. Once your workpieces are big enough in diameter, you can make a pusher plate with a center countersink drilled hole and a standard live center. I did this with Lexan instead of Plexiglass, because I wanted it to be flexible to take the dome for the crystal. If I can cut them into rough octagons, I should be able to turn them to size fairly easily. What I'm wondering about is the best way to cut out the rough blanks without raising a burr or making a mess out of the protective plastic/paper film on the back side. I'd planned on using my bandsaw, but my experience is that the back of plastic cut on it is pretty rough. How much oversized do you plan to make the pieces? You know that Plexiglass breaks cleanly when bent at a score line. This could use a grid of lines to break into squares, or lines at 120 degree angles to break into triangles and get a cleaner edge before turning. (And yes, I have used a sheet metal brake to do the bending along the scribe when a piece was too small to grip easily.) You can also use a combination of a milling vise (smooth jaws) and a broad-jawed Vise Grip to do it with smaller pieces. And avoid getting oil on the Plexiglass -- or many other solvents for that matter. They cause it to disintegrate into a bunch of cracked pieces. I was thinking I could back up the plastic with scrap masonite to get a cleaner cut. It might also be time to put a new blade on the saw. Avoid the saw. Scribe and break. (Won't work on my Lexan, but great on Plexiglass.) I thought about sticking the plastic down with double stick, but I suspect the protective film would come off when I try to remove the backer. It would almost certainly. Any other tricks or suggestions? Mine above. Enjoy, DoN. -- Remove oil spill source from e-mail Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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On Apr 7, 8:16*pm, Doug White wrote:
I need to make some clear front sight apertures for my target rifle. * These have a conical hole bored in the center, which makes a small black ring when mounted in a hooded sight tube. *The commercial ones are getting scarce, especially in the sizes I need. *The OD is ~ 0.86", and the inner hole will go down as small as 0.095" I'd like to turn the OD on a short stack of blanks bolted to an arbor with a 2-56 screw. *If I can cut them into rough octagons, I should be able to turn them to size fairly easily. *What I'm wondering about is the best way to cut out the rough blanks without raising a burr or making a mess out of the protective plastic/paper film on the back side. *I'd planned on using my bandsaw, but my experience is that the back of plastic cut on it is pretty rough. I was thinking I could back up the plastic with scrap masonite to get a cleaner cut. *It might also be time to put a new blade on the saw. *I thought about sticking the plastic down with double stick, but I suspect the protective film would come off when I try to remove the backer. Any other tricks or suggestions? Thanks! Doug White This came up once before, my advice is the same, make a punch and die, should work well with thin stock. Undoubtedly the way the commercial ones are made. Wouldn't take long to bore an oblong block of steel, then slot it, die block and punch guide all in one. If you need a concentric hole, a simple jig with a bushing would let you drill a centered pilot hole, then open it up with a clock reamer to whatever you want. A Sat. afternoon project. Most likely the originals were from acetate sheet which punches better. Stan |
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"Doug White" wrote in message . .. I need to make some clear front sight apertures for my target rifle. These have a conical hole bored in the center, which makes a small black ring when mounted in a hooded sight tube. The commercial ones are getting scarce, especially in the sizes I need. The OD is ~ 0.86", and the inner hole will go down as small as 0.095" I'd like to turn the OD on a short stack of blanks bolted to an arbor with a 2-56 screw. If I can cut them into rough octagons, I should be able to turn them to size fairly easily. What I'm wondering about is the best way to cut out the rough blanks without raising a burr or making a mess out of the protective plastic/paper film on the back side. I'd planned on using my bandsaw, but my experience is that the back of plastic cut on it is pretty rough. I was thinking I could back up the plastic with scrap masonite to get a cleaner cut. It might also be time to put a new blade on the saw. I thought about sticking the plastic down with double stick, but I suspect the protective film would come off when I try to remove the backer. Any other tricks or suggestions? Thanks! Doug White You can buy a 12" long piece of 7/8" round cast acrylic for $4 and turn it to size before you part off the thickness you need: http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/ite...0787&catid=440 |
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On Apr 7, 7:16*pm, Doug White wrote:
I need to make some clear front sight apertures for my target rifle. * Any other tricks or suggestions? Hi Doug, What material? How thick? Tolerance on diameter? How many? I have a 35 Watt CO2 laser I built that could cut the disks perfectly. You would have to then machine the inner hole. You could also ask at a local engraving shop that has a laser. Email me if you like. Dave |
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"David Courtney" wrote in
: "Doug White" wrote in message . .. I need to make some clear front sight apertures for my target rifle. These have a conical hole bored in the center, which makes a small black ring when mounted in a hooded sight tube. The commercial ones are getting scarce, especially in the sizes I need. The OD is ~ 0.86", and the inner hole will go down as small as 0.095" I'd like to turn the OD on a short stack of blanks bolted to an arbor with a 2-56 screw. If I can cut them into rough octagons, I should be able to turn them to size fairly easily. What I'm wondering about is the best way to cut out the rough blanks without raising a burr or making a mess out of the protective plastic/paper film on the back side. I'd planned on using my bandsaw, but my experience is that the back of plastic cut on it is pretty rough. I was thinking I could back up the plastic with scrap masonite to get a cleaner cut. It might also be time to put a new blade on the saw. I thought about sticking the plastic down with double stick, but I suspect the protective film would come off when I try to remove the backer. Any other tricks or suggestions? Thanks! Doug White You can buy a 12" long piece of 7/8" round cast acrylic for $4 and turn it to size before you part off the thickness you need: http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/ite...0787&catid=440 These need to be pretty optically flat & clear. At least to the point where images are not distorted looking through the result. I'm not sure how I could achieve that easily. The raw material I have is mil-spec aircraft window grade cast acrylic. Doug White |
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"DoN. Nichols" wrote in
: On 2011-04-08, Doug White wrote: I need to make some clear front sight apertures for my target rifle. These have a conical hole bored in the center, which makes a small black ring when mounted in a hooded sight tube. The commercial ones are getting scarce, especially in the sizes I need. The OD is ~ 0.86", and the inner hole will go down as small as 0.095" I'd like to turn the OD on a short stack of blanks bolted to an arbor with a 2-56 screw. Hmm ... I think that 2-56 would not be strong enough for even a short stack. What I would do is get a replaceable tip tailstock live center, and make a tip with a center hole for it which would slide over the center rod and clamp the stack firmly in place. I've used a variation on this to turn new crystals for dial indicators. Once your workpieces are big enough in diameter, you can make a pusher plate with a center countersink drilled hole and a standard live center. I did this with Lexan instead of Plexiglass, because I wanted it to be flexible to take the dome for the crystal. If I can cut them into rough octagons, I should be able to turn them to size fairly easily. What I'm wondering about is the best way to cut out the rough blanks without raising a burr or making a mess out of the protective plastic/paper film on the back side. I'd planned on using my bandsaw, but my experience is that the back of plastic cut on it is pretty rough. How much oversized do you plan to make the pieces? You know that Plexiglass breaks cleanly when bent at a score line. This could use a grid of lines to break into squares, or lines at 120 degree angles to break into triangles and get a cleaner edge before turning. (And yes, I have used a sheet metal brake to do the bending along the scribe when a piece was too small to grip easily.) You can also use a combination of a milling vise (smooth jaws) and a broad-jawed Vise Grip to do it with smaller pieces. And avoid getting oil on the Plexiglass -- or many other solvents for that matter. They cause it to disintegrate into a bunch of cracked pieces. I was thinking I could back up the plastic with scrap masonite to get a cleaner cut. It might also be time to put a new blade on the saw. Avoid the saw. Scribe and break. (Won't work on my Lexan, but great on Plexiglass.) I thought about sticking the plastic down with double stick, but I suspect the protective film would come off when I try to remove the backer. It would almost certainly. Any other tricks or suggestions? Mine above. Thanks! I'll try score & break. That should get me to squares, and I can just bide my time & turn those. I agree, the 2-56 will flex if I stack more than a couple. I've been planning on supporting the other end with the tailstock & a center. For the first one or two, I will probably do them individually to work out feeds & speeds. I've got league matches starting in two weeks, and I'd really like to have a slightly smaller aperture than I have now. My biggest problem at the moment is that the target "black" looks dark grey at 200 yards. I don't know if it's my prescription, dust in my rear sight or the beginnings of cataracts. I'm about to give my rear sight a thorough going over & hope I'm being tormented by a spec of lint in just the wrong place. Doug White |
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Doug White wrote: "Dave, I can't do that" wrote in news:5d40b33a- : On Apr 7, 7:16 pm, Doug White wrote: I need to make some clear front sight apertures for my target rifle. Any other tricks or suggestions? Hi Doug, What material? How thick? Tolerance on diameter? How many? I have a 35 Watt CO2 laser I built that could cut the disks perfectly. You would have to then machine the inner hole. You could also ask at a local engraving shop that has a laser. Email me if you like. It's acrylic, rougly 0.10" thick. The tolerances on the final diameter are pretty tight, but slightly oversized blanks with a small center hole would save a lot of work. I assume the laser cuts cleanly enough that there wouldn't be optical distortion in the plastic after the fact? Doug White These folks do custom laser cutting of acrylic and other materials: http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/749 |
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On 4/7/2011 10:16 PM, Doug White wrote:
I need to make some clear front sight apertures for my target rifle. These have a conical hole bored in the center, which makes a small black ring when mounted in a hooded sight tube. The commercial ones are getting scarce, especially in the sizes I need. The OD is ~ 0.86", and the inner hole will go down as small as 0.095" I'd like to turn the OD on a short stack of blanks bolted to an arbor with a 2-56 screw. If I can cut them into rough octagons, I should be able to turn them to size fairly easily. What I'm wondering about is the best way to cut out the rough blanks without raising a burr or making a mess out of the protective plastic/paper film on the back side. I'd planned on using my bandsaw, but my experience is that the back of plastic cut on it is pretty rough. I was thinking I could back up the plastic with scrap masonite to get a cleaner cut. It might also be time to put a new blade on the saw. I thought about sticking the plastic down with double stick, but I suspect the protective film would come off when I try to remove the backer. Any other tricks or suggestions? Thanks! Doug White I though about making plastic apertures. I decided it was going to be very difficult because of the precision required in the bevel of the hole, that is what you see when you look through it and it must be perfect. I went to using an adjustable front aperture. I just looked at the current prices. Wow! Champion shooters supply has the plastic apertures for $6.00. http://www.championshooters.com/stor...cat=332&page=1 Champion’s choice probably has them. |
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Doug White wrote:
"David Courtney" wrote in "Doug White" wrote in message . .. I need to make some clear front sight apertures for my target rifle. These have a conical hole bored in the center, which makes a small black ring when mounted in a hooded sight tube. The commercial ones are getting scarce, especially in the sizes I need. The OD is ~ 0.86", and the inner hole will go down as small as 0.095" I'd like to turn the OD on a short stack of blanks bolted to an arbor with a 2-56 screw. If I can cut them into rough octagons, I should be able to turn them to size fairly easily. What I'm wondering about is the best way to cut out the rough blanks without raising a burr or making a mess out of the protective plastic/paper film on the back side. I'd planned on using my bandsaw, but my experience is that the back of plastic cut on it is pretty rough. I was thinking I could back up the plastic with scrap masonite to get a cleaner cut. It might also be time to put a new blade on the saw. I thought about sticking the plastic down with double stick, but I suspect the protective film would come off when I try to remove the backer. Any other tricks or suggestions? You can buy a 12" long piece of 7/8" round cast acrylic for $4 and turn it to size before you part off the thickness you need: http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/ite...0787&catid=440 These need to be pretty optically flat & clear. At least to the point where images are not distorted looking through the result. I'm not sure how I could achieve that easily. The raw material I have is mil-spec aircraft window grade cast acrylic. What's the spec on the center hole? I once made a bunch of plastic washers in acrylic by sliding some blanks onto a bolt, clamping them together with a nut, chucking the bolt into a hand drill, and "grinding" them to size on the belt sander. But these were 1/4" thick, and the center hole was 1/4". Good Luck! Rich |
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Hi Doug,
The laser can easily hold 0.005" The edge looks like flame finishing. There is no obvious distortion visible on stuff I have done as the laser dot size is only 0.006" diameter and at that thickness, little- to-no Kerf. Cast acrylic is good for clean cuts, extruded is not so good. There may be a small amount of distortion within about 1/32" of the cut edge but I am sure that would not matter. I think I have some 1/16" here and if you want to Email a postal address I'll send you some samples. Is the 0.860" a max or min? Give me the tolerance. I think I have some in fluorescent orange and green too. Might be fun to try. Dave |
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On 2011-04-08, David Courtney wrote:
"Doug White" wrote in message . .. I need to make some clear front sight apertures for my target rifle. These have a conical hole bored in the center, which makes a small black ring when mounted in a hooded sight tube. The commercial ones are getting scarce, especially in the sizes I need. The OD is ~ 0.86", and the inner hole will go down as small as 0.095" [ ... ] You can buy a 12" long piece of 7/8" round cast acrylic for $4 and turn it to size before you part off the thickness you need: http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/ite...0787&catid=440 Can *you* part it to give a clear transparent finish? He needs to be able to see through this, except where the tapered hole is for contrast. If you faced it with PCD (Poly Crystalline Diamond) you *might* be able to get a nice enough finish on one side -- but you then need to be able to flip it over and hold it parallel to face the other side. With a Jeweler's lathe, perhaps some step collets could be used for holding the disc. Enjoy, DoN. -- Remove oil spill source from e-mail Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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On 2011-04-08, Doug White wrote:
"DoN. Nichols" wrote in : On 2011-04-08, Doug White wrote: I need to make some clear front sight apertures for my target rifle. These have a conical hole bored in the center, which makes a small black ring when mounted in a hooded sight tube. The commercial ones are getting scarce, especially in the sizes I need. The OD is ~ 0.86", and the inner hole will go down as small as 0.095" I'd like to turn the OD on a short stack of blanks bolted to an arbor with a 2-56 screw. Hmm ... I think that 2-56 would not be strong enough for even a short stack. What I would do is get a replaceable tip tailstock live [ ... ] Avoid the saw. Scribe and break. (Won't work on my Lexan, but great on Plexiglass.) [ ... ] Thanks! I'll try score & break. That should get me to squares, and I can just bide my time & turn those. Indeed so. I agree, the 2-56 will flex if I stack more than a couple. I've been planning on supporting the other end with the tailstock & a center. For the first one or two, I will probably do them individually to work out feeds & speeds. I've got league matches starting in two weeks, and I'd really like to have a slightly smaller aperture than I have now. O.K. BTW -- in my dial crystals, I can't have a hole in the center at all. What I did to maximize the drive at about 2-1/4" diameter was to recess all but about the outer 1/8" or so on both the backing piece in the chuck and the pusher plate which the live center was engaging so the entire pressure was applied near the OD for maximum torque transmission. (If you clamp with a nut, the pressure is at too small a radius, and the workpieces are more likely to slip. With the near-OD clamping, I could handle something like eight or ten workpieces at once. But approach the maximum extension of corners carefully. :-) My biggest problem at the moment is that the target "black" looks dark grey at 200 yards. I don't know if it's my prescription, dust in my rear sight or the beginnings of cataracts. I'm about to give my rear sight a thorough going over & hope I'm being tormented by a spec of lint in just the wrong place. Hmm ... perhaps diffraction from the smaller aperture? That may be why they are not made smaller? Good Luck, DoN. P.S. Wish that I had known about the target shooting at the "Toot" when I was there. :-) -- Remove oil spill source from e-mail Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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On Apr 8, 4:04*pm, "Dave, I can't do that"
wrote: I think I have some 1/16" here and if you want to Email a postal address Oooops, offer retracted, well at least temporarily anyway. Laser would not fire this morning. Not a good sign after going through all the procedures, it looks like a tickle pulse problem as I can get it to fire on full power, but not on adjustable pulse rate. Technology designed to keep one's retirement busy. Dave |
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"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message ... On 2011-04-08, David Courtney wrote: "Doug White" wrote in message . .. I need to make some clear front sight apertures for my target rifle. These have a conical hole bored in the center, which makes a small black ring when mounted in a hooded sight tube. The commercial ones are getting scarce, especially in the sizes I need. The OD is ~ 0.86", and the inner hole will go down as small as 0.095" [ ... ] You can buy a 12" long piece of 7/8" round cast acrylic for $4 and turn it to size before you part off the thickness you need: http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/ite...0787&catid=440 Can *you* part it to give a clear transparent finish? He needs to be able to see through this, except where the tapered hole is for contrast. -snip nonsense- Yes, *I* can but that doesn't necessarily mean that *you* could. |
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On 2011-04-09, David Courtney wrote:
"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message ... On 2011-04-08, David Courtney wrote: "Doug White" wrote in message . .. I need to make some clear front sight apertures for my target rifle. [ ... ] You can buy a 12" long piece of 7/8" round cast acrylic for $4 and turn it to size before you part off the thickness you need: http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/ite...0787&catid=440 Can *you* part it to give a clear transparent finish? He needs to be able to see through this, except where the tapered hole is for contrast. -snip nonsense- Yes, *I* can but that doesn't necessarily mean that *you* could. So -- if not for my enlightenment, perhaps for the OP's enlightenment, would you care to detail how he could do it. My snipped (by you) "nonsense" was all that I could think of for doing it, but I have not tried it. I do know that PCD on a rigide enough machine can produce an optical finish on aluminum, at least. Enjoy, DoN. -- Remove oil spill source from e-mail Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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