So, I decided to build a new puter for the shop, cuz some new programs
I need won't run on ME, of which I have many loaded HDs. They need XP,
so I got an XP-pro disc and COA on Ebay.
The MB is an Asrock K8NF4G with 1 GB DDR2 333 in 2 512 mb sticks and a
Semperon 3 gig processor. The MB has onboard video. The HD is Seagate
40mb IDE.
Bios can only run the CPU at 1.8 Gig...
When loading XP setup files (second stage, after the initialization
files are loaded into ram), the installation stalls about 10% thru
with a file copy failure screen. Sometimes it runs to 40-60% before it
happens. I thought the CD was funky, so the seller sent me a
replacement free (nice guy). The second disc does the same thing.
If I do the NTFS drive format thru Windows Installation , it says it
can't be done because the HD has faults.
If I format it with my ME boot disc, it formats OK and tests good. I
load a primary DOS partiton and have WI do a quick NTFS format-it goes
ok.
Bios does not see a problem with the memory or HD
Scandisk heavy scan shows no bad clusters on the HD.
I thought maybe the puter was running out of ram, so I reduced the
shared Video memory to 32mb from 128 MB.
Swapped CDRW drive and ide cable, reseated CPU and memory, CPU runs
cool.
Still does the same thing-stalling with file copy failure.
If WI does not format, but leaves the primary ME dos partition
intact, it makes no difference.
The stall seems to happen often on the same files on installation, but
not always. Sometimes it runs to 60% or so, loading the previous
failed files ok, then stalls on a new one. Ejectng/loading the CD on
the file copy failure screen has helped with one or two files, but not
all failures.
Several fruitless hours invested here,,,,, Help?
JR
Dweller in the cellar

Stewing about this even as I type. The MB is ata133-the HD is ata100.
The MB has sata ports, and the PSU has sata connectors also. I have a
sata HD, mebbe I'll try that...........
JR
Dweller in the cellar




On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:17:04 -0800, JR North
wrote:

So, I decided to build a new puter for the shop, cuz some new programs
I need won't run on ME, of which I have many loaded HDs. They need XP,
so I got an XP-pro disc and COA on Ebay.
The MB is an Asrock K8NF4G with 1 GB DDR2 333 in 2 512 mb sticks and a
Semperon 3 gig processor. The MB has onboard video. The HD is Seagate
40mb IDE.
Bios can only run the CPU at 1.8 Gig...
When loading XP setup files (second stage, after the initialization
files are loaded into ram), the installation stalls about 10% thru
with a file copy failure screen. Sometimes it runs to 40-60% before it
happens. I thought the CD was funky, so the seller sent me a
replacement free (nice guy). The second disc does the same thing.
If I do the NTFS drive format thru Windows Installation , it says it
can't be done because the HD has faults.
If I format it with my ME boot disc, it formats OK and tests good. I
load a primary DOS partiton and have WI do a quick NTFS format-it goes
ok.
Bios does not see a problem with the memory or HD
Scandisk heavy scan shows no bad clusters on the HD.
I thought maybe the puter was running out of ram, so I reduced the
shared Video memory to 32mb from 128 MB.
Swapped CDRW drive and ide cable, reseated CPU and memory, CPU runs
cool.
Still does the same thing-stalling with file copy failure.
If WI does not format, but leaves the primary ME dos partition
intact, it makes no difference.
The stall seems to happen often on the same files on installation, but
not always. Sometimes it runs to 60% or so, loading the previous
failed files ok, then stalls on a new one. Ejectng/loading the CD on
the file copy failure screen has helped with one or two files, but not
all failures.
Several fruitless hours invested here,,,,, Help?
JR
Dweller in the cellar

I installed an ata133 drive-same problem.....
JR
Dweller in the cellar


On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:17:04 -0800, JR North
wrote:

So, I decided to build a new puter for the shop, cuz some new programs
I need won't run on ME, of which I have many loaded HDs. They need XP,
so I got an XP-pro disc and COA on Ebay.
The MB is an Asrock K8NF4G with 1 GB DDR2 333 in 2 512 mb sticks and a
Semperon 3 gig processor. The MB has onboard video. The HD is Seagate
40mb IDE.
Bios can only run the CPU at 1.8 Gig...
When loading XP setup files (second stage, after the initialization
files are loaded into ram), the installation stalls about 10% thru
with a file copy failure screen. Sometimes it runs to 40-60% before it
happens. I thought the CD was funky, so the seller sent me a
replacement free (nice guy). The second disc does the same thing.
If I do the NTFS drive format thru Windows Installation , it says it
can't be done because the HD has faults.
If I format it with my ME boot disc, it formats OK and tests good. I
load a primary DOS partiton and have WI do a quick NTFS format-it goes
ok.
Bios does not see a problem with the memory or HD
Scandisk heavy scan shows no bad clusters on the HD.
I thought maybe the puter was running out of ram, so I reduced the
shared Video memory to 32mb from 128 MB.
Swapped CDRW drive and ide cable, reseated CPU and memory, CPU runs
cool.
Still does the same thing-stalling with file copy failure.
If WI does not format, but leaves the primary ME dos partition
intact, it makes no difference.
The stall seems to happen often on the same files on installation, but
not always. Sometimes it runs to 60% or so, loading the previous
failed files ok, then stalls on a new one. Ejectng/loading the CD on
the file copy failure screen has helped with one or two files, but not
all failures.
Several fruitless hours invested here,,,,, Help?
JR
Dweller in the cellar

On Feb 3, 10:55*pm, JR North wrote:
I installed an ata133 drive-same problem.....
JR
Dweller in the cellar

On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:17:04 -0800, JR North



wrote:
So, I decided to build a new puter for the shop, cuz some new programs
I need won't run on ME, of which I have many loaded HDs. They need XP,
so I got an XP-pro disc and COA on Ebay.
The MB is an Asrock K8NF4G with 1 GB DDR2 333 in 2 512 mb sticks and a
Semperon 3 gig processor. The MB has onboard video. The HD is Seagate
40mb IDE.
Bios can only run the CPU at 1.8 Gig...
When loading XP setup files (second stage, after the initialization
files are loaded into ram), the installation stalls about 10% thru
with a file copy failure screen. Sometimes it runs to 40-60% before it
happens. I thought the CD was funky, so the seller sent me a
replacement free (nice guy). The second disc does the same thing.
If I do the NTFS drive format thru *Windows Installation , it says it
can't be done because the HD has faults.
If I format it with my ME boot disc, it formats OK and tests good. I
load a primary DOS partiton and have WI do a quick NTFS format-it goes
ok.
Bios does not see a problem with the memory or HD
Scandisk heavy scan shows no bad clusters on the HD.
I thought maybe the puter *was running out of ram, so I reduced the
shared Video memory to 32mb from 128 MB.
Swapped CDRW drive and ide cable, reseated CPU and memory, CPU runs
cool.
Still does the same thing-stalling with file copy failure.
If WI does not format, but leaves the primary *ME dos partition
intact, it makes no difference.
The stall seems to happen often on the same files on installation, but
not always. Sometimes it runs to 60% or so, loading the previous
failed files ok, then stalls on a new one. Ejectng/loading *the CD on
the file copy failure screen has helped with one or two files, but not
all failures.
Several fruitless *hours invested here,,,,, Help?
JR
Dweller in the cellar- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What does the install log file say? Should have some indication of
what file it's choking on and why. You can get to it by using the
maintenance console feature.

If you haven't run it yet, get Memtest 86+ and burn the CD, it's
freeware. I always run this on new hardware, sometimes memory isn't
all that reliable or there's a BIOS setting off. Let it run through
all the tests several times. Odd things happen with intermittent
memory faults. I've had new sticks not pass, the MB chipset didn't
support that brand.

If you've got another machine, you could mount your install hard drive
as a second drive, format it NTFS and copy the CD to it. That would
pretty much remove either the CD or the hard drive as the problem.
Use xcopy from a command window with verify.

Another alternative is to create a FAT32 partition, copy the CD to a
folder on it, then kick off the XP install from the command line in 98/
ME/whatever from that folder. If that works,you can run the FAT32-
NTFS conversion utility that XP comes with. Make sure your hardware
is 100% beforehand.

Just occurred to me, that you might be using a 40-pin IDE cable when
the board is looking for an 80-pin. Funny things happen when that's
the case, too. Nephew just had that problem.

Stan

JR North wrote:
I installed an ata133 drive-same problem.....
JR
Dweller in the cellar


On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:17:04 -0800, JR North
wrote:

So, I decided to build a new puter for the shop, cuz some new programs
I need won't run on ME, of which I have many loaded HDs. They need XP,
so I got an XP-pro disc and COA on Ebay.
The MB is an Asrock K8NF4G with 1 GB DDR2 333 in 2 512 mb sticks and a
Semperon 3 gig processor. The MB has onboard video. The HD is Seagate
40mb IDE.

Minimum XP hard drive is ~4.3 GB. Oopsy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP


--Winston

I ran the Windows Memory Diagnostic utility, both 512 sticks failed
Mats+. Ran the test with one stick installed-massive failure (over
6,000) on one and 45 on the other....
JR
Dweller in the cellar


On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:17:04 -0800, JR North
wrote:

So, I decided to build a new puter for the shop, cuz some new programs
I need won't run on ME, of which I have many loaded HDs. They need XP,
so I got an XP-pro disc and COA on Ebay.
The MB is an Asrock K8NF4G with 1 GB DDR2 333 in 2 512 mb sticks and a
Semperon 3 gig processor. The MB has onboard video. The HD is Seagate
40mb IDE.
Bios can only run the CPU at 1.8 Gig...
When loading XP setup files (second stage, after the initialization
files are loaded into ram), the installation stalls about 10% thru
with a file copy failure screen. Sometimes it runs to 40-60% before it
happens. I thought the CD was funky, so the seller sent me a
replacement free (nice guy). The second disc does the same thing.
If I do the NTFS drive format thru Windows Installation , it says it
can't be done because the HD has faults.
If I format it with my ME boot disc, it formats OK and tests good. I
load a primary DOS partiton and have WI do a quick NTFS format-it goes
ok.
Bios does not see a problem with the memory or HD
Scandisk heavy scan shows no bad clusters on the HD.
I thought maybe the puter was running out of ram, so I reduced the
shared Video memory to 32mb from 128 MB.
Swapped CDRW drive and ide cable, reseated CPU and memory, CPU runs
cool.
Still does the same thing-stalling with file copy failure.
If WI does not format, but leaves the primary ME dos partition
intact, it makes no difference.
The stall seems to happen often on the same files on installation, but
not always. Sometimes it runs to 60% or so, loading the previous
failed files ok, then stalls on a new one. Ejectng/loading the CD on
the file copy failure screen has helped with one or two files, but not
all failures.
Several fruitless hours invested here,,,,, Help?
JR
Dweller in the cellar

40GB.........
JR
Dweller in the cellar


On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:17:50 -0800, Winston
wrote:

JR North wrote:
I installed an ata133 drive-same problem.....
JR
Dweller in the cellar


On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:17:04 -0800, JR North
wrote:

So, I decided to build a new puter for the shop, cuz some new programs
I need won't run on ME, of which I have many loaded HDs. They need XP,
so I got an XP-pro disc and COA on Ebay.
The MB is an Asrock K8NF4G with 1 GB DDR2 333 in 2 512 mb sticks and a
Semperon 3 gig processor. The MB has onboard video. The HD is Seagate
40mb IDE.

Minimum XP hard drive is ~4.3 GB. Oopsy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP


--Winston

DAMMIT...just as I finished my last post, my monitor erupted in smoke
and hissing. Can't get the smoke back in. My computer room reeks of
fried caps. This is starting to **** me off....
JR
Dweller in the cellar



On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:17:04 -0800, JR North
wrote:

So, I decided to build a new puter for the shop, cuz some new programs
I need won't run on ME, of which I have many loaded HDs. They need XP,
so I got an XP-pro disc and COA on Ebay.
The MB is an Asrock K8NF4G with 1 GB DDR2 333 in 2 512 mb sticks and a
Semperon 3 gig processor. The MB has onboard video. The HD is Seagate
40mb IDE.
Bios can only run the CPU at 1.8 Gig...
When loading XP setup files (second stage, after the initialization
files are loaded into ram), the installation stalls about 10% thru
with a file copy failure screen. Sometimes it runs to 40-60% before it
happens. I thought the CD was funky, so the seller sent me a
replacement free (nice guy). The second disc does the same thing.
If I do the NTFS drive format thru Windows Installation , it says it
can't be done because the HD has faults.
If I format it with my ME boot disc, it formats OK and tests good. I
load a primary DOS partiton and have WI do a quick NTFS format-it goes
ok.
Bios does not see a problem with the memory or HD
Scandisk heavy scan shows no bad clusters on the HD.
I thought maybe the puter was running out of ram, so I reduced the
shared Video memory to 32mb from 128 MB.
Swapped CDRW drive and ide cable, reseated CPU and memory, CPU runs
cool.
Still does the same thing-stalling with file copy failure.
If WI does not format, but leaves the primary ME dos partition
intact, it makes no difference.
The stall seems to happen often on the same files on installation, but
not always. Sometimes it runs to 60% or so, loading the previous
failed files ok, then stalls on a new one. Ejectng/loading the CD on
the file copy failure screen has helped with one or two files, but not
all failures.
Several fruitless hours invested here,,,,, Help?
JR
Dweller in the cellar

The ports and cables are both 40p. BTDT
JR
Dweller in the cellar


On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 22:25:49 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Feb 3, 10:55*pm, JR North wrote:
I installed an ata133 drive-same problem.....
JR
Dweller in the cellar

On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:17:04 -0800, JR North



wrote:
So, I decided to build a new puter for the shop, cuz some new programs
I need won't run on ME, of which I have many loaded HDs. They need XP,
so I got an XP-pro disc and COA on Ebay.
The MB is an Asrock K8NF4G with 1 GB DDR2 333 in 2 512 mb sticks and a
Semperon 3 gig processor. The MB has onboard video. The HD is Seagate
40mb IDE.
Bios can only run the CPU at 1.8 Gig...
When loading XP setup files (second stage, after the initialization
files are loaded into ram), the installation stalls about 10% thru
with a file copy failure screen. Sometimes it runs to 40-60% before it
happens. I thought the CD was funky, so the seller sent me a
replacement free (nice guy). The second disc does the same thing.
If I do the NTFS drive format thru *Windows Installation , it says it
can't be done because the HD has faults.
If I format it with my ME boot disc, it formats OK and tests good. I
load a primary DOS partiton and have WI do a quick NTFS format-it goes
ok.
Bios does not see a problem with the memory or HD
Scandisk heavy scan shows no bad clusters on the HD.
I thought maybe the puter *was running out of ram, so I reduced the
shared Video memory to 32mb from 128 MB.
Swapped CDRW drive and ide cable, reseated CPU and memory, CPU runs
cool.
Still does the same thing-stalling with file copy failure.
If WI does not format, but leaves the primary *ME dos partition
intact, it makes no difference.
The stall seems to happen often on the same files on installation, but
not always. Sometimes it runs to 60% or so, loading the previous
failed files ok, then stalls on a new one. Ejectng/loading *the CD on
the file copy failure screen has helped with one or two files, but not
all failures.
Several fruitless *hours invested here,,,,, Help?
JR
Dweller in the cellar- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What does the install log file say? Should have some indication of
what file it's choking on and why. You can get to it by using the
maintenance console feature.

If you haven't run it yet, get Memtest 86+ and burn the CD, it's
freeware. I always run this on new hardware, sometimes memory isn't
all that reliable or there's a BIOS setting off. Let it run through
all the tests several times. Odd things happen with intermittent
memory faults. I've had new sticks not pass, the MB chipset didn't
support that brand.

If you've got another machine, you could mount your install hard drive
as a second drive, format it NTFS and copy the CD to it. That would
pretty much remove either the CD or the hard drive as the problem.
Use xcopy from a command window with verify.

Another alternative is to create a FAT32 partition, copy the CD to a
folder on it, then kick off the XP install from the command line in 98/
ME/whatever from that folder. If that works,you can run the FAT32-
NTFS conversion utility that XP comes with. Make sure your hardware
is 100% beforehand.

Just occurred to me, that you might be using a 40-pin IDE cable when
the board is looking for an 80-pin. Funny things happen when that's
the case, too. Nephew just had that problem.

Stan

Winston wrote:
JR North wrote:
I installed an ata133 drive-same problem.....
JR
Dweller in the cellar


On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:17:04 -0800, JR North
wrote:

So, I decided to build a new puter for the shop, cuz some new programs
I need won't run on ME, of which I have many loaded HDs. They need XP,
so I got an XP-pro disc and COA on Ebay.
The MB is an Asrock K8NF4G with 1 GB DDR2 333 in 2 512 mb sticks and a
Semperon 3 gig processor. The MB has onboard video. The HD is Seagate
40mb IDE.

Minimum XP hard drive is ~4.3 GB. Oopsy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP


--Winston


Dunno about that.

All three of our XP machines have 100+ gig drives.


--

Richard Lamb
email me:
web site: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb

CaveLamb wrote:
Winston wrote:
JR North wrote:
I installed an ata133 drive-same problem.....
JR
Dweller in the cellar


On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:17:04 -0800, JR North
wrote:

So, I decided to build a new puter for the shop, cuz some new programs
I need won't run on ME, of which I have many loaded HDs. They need XP,
so I got an XP-pro disc and COA on Ebay.
The MB is an Asrock K8NF4G with 1 GB DDR2 333 in 2 512 mb sticks and a
Semperon 3 gig processor. The MB has onboard video. The HD is Seagate
40mb IDE.

Minimum XP hard drive is ~4.3 GB. Oopsy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP


--Winston


Dunno about that.

All three of our XP machines have 100+ gig drives.



Sorry Winston, misread minimum for maximum...

--

Richard Lamb
email me:
web site: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb

JR North wrote:
The ports and cables are both 40p. BTDT

Both ends will be 40 pin but the newer cables are finer and have 80
conducters in the same width, every other one being a ground to prevent
crosstalk, the difference should be obvious.

JR
Dweller in the cellar


On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 22:25:49 -0800 (PST), wrote:


On Feb 3, 10:55 pm, JR North wrote:

I installed an ata133 drive-same problem.....
JR
Dweller in the cellar

On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:17:04 -0800, JR North



wrote:

So, I decided to build a new puter for the shop, cuz some new programs
I need won't run on ME, of which I have many loaded HDs. They need XP,
so I got an XP-pro disc and COA on Ebay.
The MB is an Asrock K8NF4G with 1 GB DDR2 333 in 2 512 mb sticks and a
Semperon 3 gig processor. The MB has onboard video. The HD is Seagate
40mb IDE.
Bios can only run the CPU at 1.8 Gig...
When loading XP setup files (second stage, after the initialization
files are loaded into ram), the installation stalls about 10% thru
with a file copy failure screen. Sometimes it runs to 40-60% before it
happens. I thought the CD was funky, so the seller sent me a
replacement free (nice guy). The second disc does the same thing.
If I do the NTFS drive format thru Windows Installation , it says it
can't be done because the HD has faults.
If I format it with my ME boot disc, it formats OK and tests good. I
load a primary DOS partiton and have WI do a quick NTFS format-it goes
ok.
Bios does not see a problem with the memory or HD
Scandisk heavy scan shows no bad clusters on the HD.
I thought maybe the puter was running out of ram, so I reduced the
shared Video memory to 32mb from 128 MB.
Swapped CDRW drive and ide cable, reseated CPU and memory, CPU runs
cool.
Still does the same thing-stalling with file copy failure.
If WI does not format, but leaves the primary ME dos partition
intact, it makes no difference.
The stall seems to happen often on the same files on installation, but
not always. Sometimes it runs to 60% or so, loading the previous
failed files ok, then stalls on a new one. Ejectng/loading the CD on
the file copy failure screen has helped with one or two files, but not
all failures.
Several fruitless hours invested here,,,,, Help?
JR
Dweller in the cellar- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What does the install log file say? Should have some indication of
what file it's choking on and why. You can get to it by using the
maintenance console feature.

If you haven't run it yet, get Memtest 86+ and burn the CD, it's
freeware. I always run this on new hardware, sometimes memory isn't
all that reliable or there's a BIOS setting off. Let it run through
all the tests several times. Odd things happen with intermittent
memory faults. I've had new sticks not pass, the MB chipset didn't
support that brand.

If you've got another machine, you could mount your install hard drive
as a second drive, format it NTFS and copy the CD to it. That would
pretty much remove either the CD or the hard drive as the problem.
Use xcopy from a command window with verify.

Another alternative is to create a FAT32 partition, copy the CD to a
folder on it, then kick off the XP install from the command line in 98/
ME/whatever from that folder. If that works,you can run the FAT32-

NTFS conversion utility that XP comes with. Make sure your hardware

is 100% beforehand.

Just occurred to me, that you might be using a 40-pin IDE cable when
the board is looking for an 80-pin. Funny things happen when that's
the case, too. Nephew just had that problem.

Stan

CaveLamb wrote:
Winston wrote:
JR North wrote:
I installed an ata133 drive-same problem.....
JR
Dweller in the cellar


On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:17:04 -0800, JR North
wrote:

So, I decided to build a new puter for the shop, cuz some new programs
I need won't run on ME, of which I have many loaded HDs. They need XP,
so I got an XP-pro disc and COA on Ebay.
The MB is an Asrock K8NF4G with 1 GB DDR2 333 in 2 512 mb sticks and a
Semperon 3 gig processor. The MB has onboard video. The HD is Seagate
40mb IDE.

Minimum XP hard drive is ~4.3 GB. Oopsy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP


--Winston


Dunno about that.

All three of our XP machines have 100+ gig drives.

Yup. JR's original '40mb' description *seemed* a little low.

--Winston

CaveLamb wrote:
CaveLamb wrote:
Winston wrote:
JR North wrote:
I installed an ata133 drive-same problem.....
JR
Dweller in the cellar


On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:17:04 -0800, JR North
wrote:

So, I decided to build a new puter for the shop, cuz some new programs
I need won't run on ME, of which I have many loaded HDs. They need XP,
so I got an XP-pro disc and COA on Ebay.
The MB is an Asrock K8NF4G with 1 GB DDR2 333 in 2 512 mb sticks and a
Semperon 3 gig processor. The MB has onboard video. The HD is Seagate
40mb IDE.

Minimum XP hard drive is ~4.3 GB. Oopsy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP


--Winston


Dunno about that.

All three of our XP machines have 100+ gig drives.



Sorry Winston, misread minimum for maximum...

Sorry Richard, I responded before reading your correction.



--Winston

JR North wrote:

I ran the Windows Memory Diagnostic utility, both 512 sticks failed
Mats+. Ran the test with one stick installed-massive failure (over
6,000) on one and 45 on the other....

What brand chips are on the memory modules? Basically, anything with
heatsinks on it or a voltage specification higher than the normal 2.5V
for DDR (which is what I think the Asrock K8NF4G uses, not DDR2)
could be junk, even major brand modules. I recently got 2 bad Corsair
1GB DDR modules, and years ago I went through 8 bad Kingston 512GB
400MHz DDR modules, out of 12-13. Sometimes just changing the command
rate from 1T to 2T will miraculously eliminate all errors, but if your
BIOS doesn't allow setting this parameter manually, try an SPD editor,
but only on one module at a time (computer won't boot if the SPD data
is messed up in both modules). The best diagnostic is probably Gold
Memory 5.07, and when RealWorldTech.com evaluated several memory
tests, it beat everything but the expensive ones from Ultra X.
However version 6.xx has never found an error for me, and neither has
MemTest86+, unlike MemTest86 v. 3.xx.

If the mobo is more than about 18-24 months old, suspect any caps not
made by Nichicon, Chemicon, Panasonic, or Sanyo, such as OST, Ltec,
Teapo, or G-Luxon (they're back!), especially near any coils or the
north bridge chip. Also Chemicon KZG and KZJ series go bad, but
their KZE is OK.

If your monitor uses a CRT, the horizontal output transistor may have
fried. It's usually the transistor on the biggest heatsink. If it
doesn't have a damper diode inside, replace that diode as well. For
LCD monitors, a couple of experts have recommended resoldering all the
coil and transformer connections, in addition to replacing bad caps
and blown driver chips or transistors.

On Feb 4, 12:14*am, JR North wrote:
The ports and cables are both 40p. BTDT

Just occurred to me, that you might be using a 40-pin IDE cable when
the board is looking for an 80-pin.

The connectors for 80-wire (ultraATA) cable ARE 40 pin connectors;
you use the same 40 pins, whether the cables are 80 or 40 wire.
The way to tell what your logic board wants, is to look at the
plastic shroud around that connector; for ultraATA, it's always
blue.

On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 21:55:30 -0800, JR North
wrote:

I installed an ata133 drive-same problem.....
JR
Dweller in the cellar


On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:17:04 -0800, JR North
wrote:

So, I decided to build a new puter for the shop, cuz some new programs
I need won't run on ME, of which I have many loaded HDs. They need XP,
so I got an XP-pro disc and COA on Ebay.
The MB is an Asrock K8NF4G with 1 GB DDR2 333 in 2 512 mb sticks and a
Semperon 3 gig processor. The MB has onboard video. The HD is Seagate
40mb IDE.
Bios can only run the CPU at 1.8 Gig...
When loading XP setup files (second stage, after the initialization
files are loaded into ram), the installation stalls about 10% thru
with a file copy failure screen. Sometimes it runs to 40-60% before it
happens. I thought the CD was funky, so the seller sent me a
replacement free (nice guy). The second disc does the same thing.
If I do the NTFS drive format thru Windows Installation , it says it
can't be done because the HD has faults.
If I format it with my ME boot disc, it formats OK and tests good. I
load a primary DOS partiton and have WI do a quick NTFS format-it goes
ok.
Bios does not see a problem with the memory or HD
Scandisk heavy scan shows no bad clusters on the HD.
I thought maybe the puter was running out of ram, so I reduced the
shared Video memory to 32mb from 128 MB.
Swapped CDRW drive and ide cable, reseated CPU and memory, CPU runs
cool.
Still does the same thing-stalling with file copy failure.
If WI does not format, but leaves the primary ME dos partition
intact, it makes no difference.
The stall seems to happen often on the same files on installation, but
not always. Sometimes it runs to 60% or so, loading the previous
failed files ok, then stalls on a new one. Ejectng/loading the CD on
the file copy failure screen has helped with one or two files, but not
all failures.
Several fruitless hours invested here,,,,, Help?
JR
Dweller in the cellar
Get rid of the crappy AMD processor system and use an Intel based
system. The ASRock Intel boards are pretty decent for a low end board.
Also check your RAM.

On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 21:55:30 -0800, JR North
wrote:

I installed an ata133 drive-same problem.....
JR
Dweller in the cellar


On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:17:04 -0800, JR North
wrote:

So, I decided to build a new puter for the shop, cuz some new programs
I need won't run on ME, of which I have many loaded HDs. They need XP,
so I got an XP-pro disc and COA on Ebay.
The MB is an Asrock K8NF4G with 1 GB DDR2 333 in 2 512 mb sticks and a
Semperon 3 gig processor. The MB has onboard video. The HD is Seagate
40mb IDE.
Bios can only run the CPU at 1.8 Gig...
When loading XP setup files (second stage, after the initialization
files are loaded into ram), the installation stalls about 10% thru
with a file copy failure screen. Sometimes it runs to 40-60% before it
happens. I thought the CD was funky, so the seller sent me a
replacement free (nice guy). The second disc does the same thing.
If I do the NTFS drive format thru Windows Installation , it says it
can't be done because the HD has faults.
If I format it with my ME boot disc, it formats OK and tests good. I
load a primary DOS partiton and have WI do a quick NTFS format-it goes
ok.
Bios does not see a problem with the memory or HD
Scandisk heavy scan shows no bad clusters on the HD.
I thought maybe the puter was running out of ram, so I reduced the
shared Video memory to 32mb from 128 MB.
Swapped CDRW drive and ide cable, reseated CPU and memory, CPU runs
cool.
Still does the same thing-stalling with file copy failure.
If WI does not format, but leaves the primary ME dos partition
intact, it makes no difference.
The stall seems to happen often on the same files on installation, but
not always. Sometimes it runs to 60% or so, loading the previous
failed files ok, then stalls on a new one. Ejectng/loading the CD on
the file copy failure screen has helped with one or two files, but not
all failures.
Several fruitless hours invested here,,,,, Help?
JR
Dweller in the cellar
That's why I don't build systems any more. When something goes sour
and you only have one of each it's pretty hard to pin down exactly
what and where the problem is.
It's bad enough when you are doing repairs and you are replacing 3
items - Mbd, CPU, and RAM. If it doesn't work, which is the problem?

And all too often at least one of the pieces of Chinese crap is
defective.

On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:17:50 -0800, Winston
wrote:

JR North wrote:
I installed an ata133 drive-same problem.....
JR
Dweller in the cellar


On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:17:04 -0800, JR North
wrote:

So, I decided to build a new puter for the shop, cuz some new programs
I need won't run on ME, of which I have many loaded HDs. They need XP,
so I got an XP-pro disc and COA on Ebay.
The MB is an Asrock K8NF4G with 1 GB DDR2 333 in 2 512 mb sticks and a
Semperon 3 gig processor. The MB has onboard video. The HD is Seagate
40mb IDE.

Minimum XP hard drive is ~4.3 GB. Oopsy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP


--Winston
You can do a "minimal" install on a 40Gb drive and still run a few
programs..

On Feb 4, 8:06*pm, wrote:
...
Minimum XP hard drive is ~4.3 GB. *Oopsy. *

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP

--Winston

*You can do a "minimal" install on a 40Gb drive and still run a few
programs..

This PC uses 8 GB for XP Pro, OpenOffice3 and Foxit.

Try installing the CD on another PC, after backing up or swapping its
C: drive.

Used office PCs are pretty cheap if you don't need gamer-quality
video.

jsw

wrote:
On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:17:50 -0800,
wrote:

JR North wrote:
I installed an ata133 drive-same problem.....
JR
Dweller in the cellar


On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:17:04 -0800, JR North
wrote:

So, I decided to build a new puter for the shop, cuz some new programs
I need won't run on ME, of which I have many loaded HDs. They need XP,
so I got an XP-pro disc and COA on Ebay.
The MB is an Asrock K8NF4G with 1 GB DDR2 333 in 2 512 mb sticks and a
Semperon 3 gig processor. The MB has onboard video. The HD is Seagate
40mb IDE.

Minimum XP hard drive is ~4.3 GB. Oopsy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP


--Winston
You can do a "minimal" install on a 40Gb drive and still run a few
programs..

That's 1000 x larger than 40 MB though.

--Winston

On Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:02:15 -0800, Winston
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 23:17:50 -0800,
wrote:

JR North wrote:
I installed an ata133 drive-same problem.....
JR
Dweller in the cellar


On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:17:04 -0800, JR North
wrote:

So, I decided to build a new puter for the shop, cuz some new programs
I need won't run on ME, of which I have many loaded HDs. They need XP,
so I got an XP-pro disc and COA on Ebay.
The MB is an Asrock K8NF4G with 1 GB DDR2 333 in 2 512 mb sticks and a
Semperon 3 gig processor. The MB has onboard video. The HD is Seagate
40mb IDE.

Minimum XP hard drive is ~4.3 GB. Oopsy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP


--Winston
You can do a "minimal" install on a 40Gb drive and still run a few
programs..

That's 1000 x larger than 40 MB though.

--Winston
Yes and I actually meant to type 4GB, not 40 (so only 100 times
bigger) XP Lite needs 850MB to install and run. Regular XP can install
on 1.8GB.

wrote:

Yes and I actually meant to type 4GB, not 40 (so only 100 times
bigger) XP Lite needs 850MB to install and run. Regular XP can install
on 1.8GB.

Yeah, I figured it was a typo.
I catch myself doing the same thing.
This progress curve sure is nonlinear.

--Winston

wrote:
On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 21:55:30 -0800, JR North
wrote:

I installed an ata133 drive-same problem.....
JR
Dweller in the cellar


On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 20:17:04 -0800, JR North
wrote:

So, I decided to build a new puter for the shop, cuz some new programs
I need won't run on ME, of which I have many loaded HDs. They need XP,
so I got an XP-pro disc and COA on Ebay.
The MB is an Asrock K8NF4G with 1 GB DDR2 333 in 2 512 mb sticks and a
Semperon 3 gig processor. The MB has onboard video. The HD is Seagate
40mb IDE.
Bios can only run the CPU at 1.8 Gig...
When loading XP setup files (second stage, after the initialization
files are loaded into ram), the installation stalls about 10% thru
with a file copy failure screen. Sometimes it runs to 40-60% before it
happens. I thought the CD was funky, so the seller sent me a
replacement free (nice guy). The second disc does the same thing.
If I do the NTFS drive format thru Windows Installation , it says it
can't be done because the HD has faults.
If I format it with my ME boot disc, it formats OK and tests good. I
load a primary DOS partiton and have WI do a quick NTFS format-it goes
ok.
Bios does not see a problem with the memory or HD
Scandisk heavy scan shows no bad clusters on the HD.
I thought maybe the puter was running out of ram, so I reduced the
shared Video memory to 32mb from 128 MB.
Swapped CDRW drive and ide cable, reseated CPU and memory, CPU runs
cool.
Still does the same thing-stalling with file copy failure.
If WI does not format, but leaves the primary ME dos partition
intact, it makes no difference.
The stall seems to happen often on the same files on installation, but
not always. Sometimes it runs to 60% or so, loading the previous
failed files ok, then stalls on a new one. Ejectng/loading the CD on
the file copy failure screen has helped with one or two files, but not
all failures.
Several fruitless hours invested here,,,,, Help?
JR
Dweller in the cellar
Get rid of the crappy AMD processor system and use an Intel based
system. The ASRock Intel boards are pretty decent for a low end board.
Also check your RAM.

and don't use a 10 year old 40GB hard drive.