?Apple is switching to a new type of tamper-resistant screw. This is not a
standard Torx, and there are no readily available screwdrivers that can
remove it. This isn't the first time they've used this type of screw-it
first appeared in the mid-2009 MacBook Pro to prevent you from replacing the
battery-and Apple is using a similar screw on the outer case of the current
MacBook Air.

http://www.ifixit.com/blog/blog/2011...w-your-iphone/

Gonna make a screw driver.

Small dividing head, ball nosed end mill, and some drill rod.

T&C grinder, indexer, and some drill blank. I think a
triangular shape might work.

Any other ideas?

Best Regards
Tom.

On Jan 26, 7:17*am, "azotic" wrote:
?Apple is switching to a new type of tamper-resistant screw. This is not a
standard Torx, and there are no readily available screwdrivers that can
remove it. This isn't the first time they've used this type of screw-it
first appeared in the mid-2009 MacBook Pro to prevent you from replacing the
battery-and Apple is using a similar screw on the outer case of the current
MacBook Air.

http://www.ifixit.com/blog/blog/2011...lical-plan-to-...

Gonna make a screw driver.

Small dividing head, ball nosed end mill, and some drill rod.

T&C grinder, indexer, and some drill blank. I think a
triangular shape might work.

Any other ideas?

Best Regards
Tom.

http://www.ifixit.com/blog/blog/2011...w-your-iphone/
Maybe bundle five pieces of music wire with an appropriate spacer in
the middle. They could be silver soldered or perhaps held in a pin
vise collet.

In article , "azotic" wrote:
?Apple is switching to a new type of tamper-resistant screw. This is not a
standard Torx,

That's true...

and there are no readily available screwdrivers that can remove it.

... but that's not.

DAGS on "pentalobe screwdriver".

This isn't the first time they've used this type of screw-it
first appeared in the mid-2009 MacBook Pro to prevent you from replacing the
battery-and Apple is using a similar screw on the outer case of the current
MacBook Air.

http://www.ifixit.com/blog/blog/2011...-to-screw-your
-iphone/

Gonna make a screw driver.

Small dividing head, ball nosed end mill, and some drill rod.

T&C grinder, indexer, and some drill blank. I think a
triangular shape might work.

Any other ideas?

Buy one on Amazon for six bucks:
http://www.amazon.
com/Pentalobe-Screwdriver-iPhone-generation-Silverhill/dp/B004IU9EDM

On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 04:17:16 -0800, the renowned "azotic"
wrote:

?Apple is switching to a new type of tamper-resistant screw. This is not a
standard Torx, and there are no readily available screwdrivers that can
remove it. This isn't the first time they've used this type of screw-it
first appeared in the mid-2009 MacBook Pro to prevent you from replacing the
battery-and Apple is using a similar screw on the outer case of the current
MacBook Air.

http://www.ifixit.com/blog/blog/2011...w-your-iphone/

Gonna make a screw driver.

Small dividing head, ball nosed end mill, and some drill rod.

T&C grinder, indexer, and some drill blank. I think a
triangular shape might work.

Any other ideas?

Best Regards
Tom.

You should be able to buy Pentalobe drivers for a few dollars RSN
sooo... unless you have a burning desire^H^H^H^Hneed to open up your
iPhone or whatever _now_ , waiting would seem to be a reasonable thing
to do.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 04:17:16 -0800, "azotic"
wrote:

?Apple is switching to a new type of tamper-resistant screw. This is not a
standard Torx, and there are no readily available screwdrivers that can
remove it. This isn't the first time they've used this type of screw-it
first appeared in the mid-2009 MacBook Pro to prevent you from replacing the
battery-and Apple is using a similar screw on the outer case of the current
MacBook Air.

http://www.ifixit.com/blog/blog/2011...w-your-iphone/

Gonna make a screw driver.

Small dividing head, ball nosed end mill, and some drill rod.

T&C grinder, indexer, and some drill blank. I think a
triangular shape might work.

Any other ideas?

Best Regards
Tom.


Small piece of music wire, some needle files; take the screw out and
replace it with a screw with a more friendly head... or did you think
that Apple designed a special thread also?

Or, just buy a Nokia.

This is why I never buy any Apple products. I feel that they hate me
and want to put me in "jail". I see a lot of people writing about
"jailbreaking" Apple products. This always puzzled me, as paying money
to Apple to be in jail, does not strike me as a good idea.

i

On 2011-01-26, azotic wrote:
?Apple is switching to a new type of tamper-resistant screw. This is not a
standard Torx, and there are no readily available screwdrivers that can
remove it. This isn't the first time they've used this type of screw-it
first appeared in the mid-2009 MacBook Pro to prevent you from replacing the
battery-and Apple is using a similar screw on the outer case of the current
MacBook Air.

http://www.ifixit.com/blog/blog/2011...w-your-iphone/

Gonna make a screw driver.

Small dividing head, ball nosed end mill, and some drill rod.

T&C grinder, indexer, and some drill blank. I think a
triangular shape might work.

Any other ideas?

Best Regards
Tom.

The amount of accuracy and durability you'd need would be a couple of
aspects to consider.. if one needs to deal with thousands of such fasteners
routinely, they might find it worthwhile to find a good source, such as Apex
or equivalent.

I've had a little difficulty from time to time, in removing a screw from
plastic or sheetmetal consumer products. They aren't too difficult to remove
since they're not torqued very tightly to begin with.
New fastener styles are generally not too difficult to remove.

Left-hand twist drill in a pin vise or suitable handle.
Improvise with a suitable tool.. or modify a low cost more-commonly
available tool.
Slightly damage the appearance of some screwheads, then replace the screws
with standard ones.
Heat the fastener a little.. or more, with a slodering iron tip.
Use one removed screw to use as a die, to then drive a suitably sized
section of mild steel or brass into, or over, to percussively form a custom
tool with, for careful occassional use.

Maybe the manufacturer is just looking for an obvious sign that someone has
done unauthorized modifications to returned equipment.
Sony, for one, will refuse to examine/troubleshoot/estimate repairs, or
accept for exchange.. some of their equipment that has been opened by an end
user.

--
WB
..........


"azotic" wrote in message
...
?Apple is switching to a new type of tamper-resistant screw. This is not a
standard Torx, and there are no readily available screwdrivers that can
remove it. This isn't the first time they've used this type of screw-it
first appeared in the mid-2009 MacBook Pro to prevent you from replacing
the battery-and Apple is using a similar screw on the outer case of the
current MacBook Air.

http://www.ifixit.com/blog/blog/2011...w-your-iphone/

Gonna make a screw driver.

Small dividing head, ball nosed end mill, and some drill rod.

T&C grinder, indexer, and some drill blank. I think a
triangular shape might work.

Any other ideas?

Best Regards
Tom.

Ignoramus11185 wrote:

This is why I never buy any Apple products. I feel that they hate me
and want to put me in "jail". I see a lot of people writing about
"jailbreaking" Apple products. This always puzzled me, as paying money
to Apple to be in jail, does not strike me as a good idea.

Bingo! F' Scrapple.

azotic wrote:
?Apple is switching to a new type of tamper-resistant screw. This is not a
standard Torx, and there are no readily available screwdrivers that can
remove it. This isn't the first time they've used this type of screw-it
first appeared in the mid-2009 MacBook Pro to prevent you from replacing the
battery-and Apple is using a similar screw on the outer case of the current
MacBook Air.

http://www.ifixit.com/blog/blog/2011...w-your-iphone/

Gonna make a screw driver.

Small dividing head, ball nosed end mill, and some drill rod.

T&C grinder, indexer, and some drill blank. I think a
triangular shape might work.

Any other ideas?

yeah, don't buy **** from apple to begin with.

On 01/26/2011 08:02 AM, Ignoramus11185 wrote:
This is why I never buy any Apple products. I feel that they hate me
and want to put me in "jail". I see a lot of people writing about
"jailbreaking" Apple products. This always puzzled me, as paying money
to Apple to be in jail, does not strike me as a good idea.
Yup, I totally agree, they are acting like Rolls Royce, with the key
locks on the hood.

Jon

On Jan 26, 7:17*am, "azotic" wrote:
?Apple is switching to a new type of tamper-resistant screw. This is not a
standard Torx, and there are no readily available screwdrivers that can
remove it. This isn't the first time they've used this type of screw-it
first appeared in the mid-2009 MacBook Pro to prevent you from replacing the
battery-and Apple is using a similar screw on the outer case of the current
MacBook Air.

http://www.ifixit.com/blog/blog/2011...lical-plan-to-...

Gonna make a screw driver.

Small dividing head, ball nosed end mill, and some drill rod.

T&C grinder, indexer, and some drill blank. I think a
triangular shape might work.

Any other ideas?

Best Regards
Tom.

If you are not allowed to modify it you do not own it.

I love the way they are adding the ******* screws on items they work
on.


Dave

Absolutely agree. I don't buy Apple products either.
Steve

"Pete C." wrote in message ster.com...

Ignoramus11185 wrote:

This is why I never buy any Apple products. I feel that they hate me
and want to put me in "jail". I see a lot of people writing about
"jailbreaking" Apple products. This always puzzled me, as paying money
to Apple to be in jail, does not strike me as a good idea.

Bingo! F' Scrapple.

On 2011-01-26, Jon Elson wrote:
On 01/26/2011 08:02 AM, Ignoramus11185 wrote:
This is why I never buy any Apple products. I feel that they hate me
and want to put me in "jail". I see a lot of people writing about
"jailbreaking" Apple products. This always puzzled me, as paying money
to Apple to be in jail, does not strike me as a good idea.
Yup, I totally agree, they are acting like Rolls Royce, with the key
locks on the hood.

Exactly.

i

?
"Spehro Pefhany" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 04:17:16 -0800, the renowned "azotic"
wrote:

?Apple is switching to a new type of tamper-resistant screw. This is not a
standard Torx, and there are no readily available screwdrivers that can
remove it. This isn't the first time they've used this type of screw-it
first appeared in the mid-2009 MacBook Pro to prevent you from replacing
the
battery-and Apple is using a similar screw on the outer case of the
current
MacBook Air.

http://www.ifixit.com/blog/blog/2011...w-your-iphone/

Gonna make a screw driver.

Small dividing head, ball nosed end mill, and some drill rod.

T&C grinder, indexer, and some drill blank. I think a
triangular shape might work.

Any other ideas?

Best Regards
Tom.

You should be able to buy Pentalobe drivers for a few dollars RSN
sooo... unless you have a burning desire^H^H^H^Hneed to open up your
iPhone or whatever _now_ , waiting would seem to be a reasonable thing
to do.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--

Lady friend wants to put a bigger hard drive in her macbook.

Best Regards
Tom.

?
"Ignoramus11185" wrote in message
...
This is why I never buy any Apple products. I feel that they hate me
and want to put me in "jail". I see a lot of people writing about
"jailbreaking" Apple products. This always puzzled me, as paying money
to Apple to be in jail, does not strike me as a good idea.

i


Agreed, lady friend got conned into buying a macbook now she wants a bigger
hard drive. Its one of those honeydo jobs.

Best Regards
Tom.

On Jan 26, 5:37*pm, "azotic" wrote:
...
Agreed, lady friend got conned into buying a macbook now she wants a bigger
hard drive. Its one of those honeydo jobs.
Tom.

I wonder if a flat screwdriver narrowed to a jam fit might loosen
them.

Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Jan 26, 5:37 pm, wrote:
...
Agreed, lady friend got conned into buying a macbook now she wants a bigger
hard drive. Its one of those honeydo jobs.
Tom.

I wonder if a flat screwdriver narrowed to a jam fit might loosen
them.

If it doesn't, you're not jamming it hard enough.

azotic wrote:

?
"Ignoramus11185" wrote in message
...
This is why I never buy any Apple products. I feel that they hate me
and want to put me in "jail". I see a lot of people writing about
"jailbreaking" Apple products. This always puzzled me, as paying money
to Apple to be in jail, does not strike me as a good idea.

i


Agreed, lady friend got conned into buying a macbook now she wants a bigger
hard drive. Its one of those honeydo jobs.


How about an external drive?


--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

On 2011-01-26, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

azotic wrote:

?
"Ignoramus11185" wrote in message
...
This is why I never buy any Apple products. I feel that they hate me
and want to put me in "jail". I see a lot of people writing about
"jailbreaking" Apple products. This always puzzled me, as paying money
to Apple to be in jail, does not strike me as a good idea.

i


Agreed, lady friend got conned into buying a macbook now she wants a bigger
hard drive. Its one of those honeydo jobs.


How about an external drive?



I am just wondering, how easy it is to change a hard drive in a Mac laptop?

Ignoramus27981 wrote:

On 2011-01-26, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

azotic wrote:

?
"Ignoramus11185" wrote in message
...
This is why I never buy any Apple products. I feel that they hate me
and want to put me in "jail". I see a lot of people writing about
"jailbreaking" Apple products. This always puzzled me, as paying money
to Apple to be in jail, does not strike me as a good idea.

i


Agreed, lady friend got conned into buying a macbook now she wants a bigger
hard drive. Its one of those honeydo jobs.


How about an external drive?



I am just wondering, how easy it is to change a hard drive in a Mac laptop?


I'm wondering why anyone would want a Mac laptop. I have a couple
Mac computers. They make almost decent door stops.


--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

Ignoramus27981 wrote:
I am just wondering, how easy it is to change a hard drive in a Mac
laptop?

http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/M...lacement/486/1

If you had the right size rod stock, can you grind five
flats on the rod stock?

Some security screws, you can jam a slotted in "just right".

Or, you could buy the kit mentioned in the web page article.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"azotic" wrote in message
...
?Apple is switching to a new type of tamper-resistant screw.
This is not a
standard Torx, and there are no readily available
screwdrivers that can
remove it. This isn't the first time they've used this type
of screw-it
first appeared in the mid-2009 MacBook Pro to prevent you
from replacing the
battery-and Apple is using a similar screw on the outer case
of the current
MacBook Air.

http://www.ifixit.com/blog/blog/2011...w-your-iphone/

Gonna make a screw driver.

Small dividing head, ball nosed end mill, and some drill
rod.

T&C grinder, indexer, and some drill blank. I think a
triangular shape might work.

Any other ideas?

Best Regards
Tom.

On 2011-01-27, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Ignoramus27981 wrote:

On 2011-01-26, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

azotic wrote:

?
"Ignoramus11185" wrote in message
...
This is why I never buy any Apple products. I feel that they hate me
and want to put me in "jail". I see a lot of people writing about
"jailbreaking" Apple products. This always puzzled me, as paying money
to Apple to be in jail, does not strike me as a good idea.

i


Agreed, lady friend got conned into buying a macbook now she wants a bigger
hard drive. Its one of those honeydo jobs.


How about an external drive?



I am just wondering, how easy it is to change a hard drive in a Mac laptop?


I'm wondering why anyone would want a Mac laptop. I have a couple
Mac computers. They make almost decent door stops.



No they don't.

?
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

azotic wrote:

?
"Ignoramus11185" wrote in message
...
This is why I never buy any Apple products. I feel that they hate me
and want to put me in "jail". I see a lot of people writing about
"jailbreaking" Apple products. This always puzzled me, as paying money
to Apple to be in jail, does not strike me as a good idea.

i


Agreed, lady friend got conned into buying a macbook now she wants a
bigger
hard drive. Its one of those honeydo jobs.


How about an external drive?


--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

I suggested that, she didnt want to go that route. To much exrtra stuff to
pack when flying to bussines meetings.

Best Regards
Tom.

azotic wrote:

?
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

azotic wrote:

?
"Ignoramus11185" wrote in message
...
This is why I never buy any Apple products. I feel that they hate me
and want to put me in "jail". I see a lot of people writing about
"jailbreaking" Apple products. This always puzzled me, as paying money
to Apple to be in jail, does not strike me as a good idea.

i


Agreed, lady friend got conned into buying a macbook now she wants a
bigger
hard drive. Its one of those honeydo jobs.


How about an external drive?


--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

I suggested that, she didnt want to go that route. To much exrtra stuff to
pack when flying to bussines meetings.


No need, if she leaves what she doesn't need for that trip on the
external drive. Another option is a handful of USB memory sticks. I
have a half doven memory sticks, and eight external drives. One is one
terabyte, and smaller ones for different projects. I also have a one
terabyte drive in this computer, that I do web design with.


--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

Yep, the referenced fastener wasn't a large, high torque fastener with
threadlocker on it.

A normal screwdriver of an appropriate size, and a file can conquer most
recessed screw heads. I'd sacrifice many of the inexpensive common
screwdrivers that I've held on to for decades, in a minute, if I really
needed to get something apart quickly.

There is always a reasonably simple way to remove a screw of any type.. and
I've removed lots of those little pressed-in flat or crowned, no-feature
fasteners over the decades, without marking up the equipment.

The only realistic reason to have a million screwdrivers/nutdrivers of
various lengths (for those fasteners that are often in deep recesses), is
convenience.. typically someone that needs a special driver frequently to
quickly work with odd fasteners in a timely manner (job performance
scrutiny/rating, tight hourly costs).

A screw head with a recess should be a simple removal/replacement task for
anyone that owns some cheap screwdrivers and a file.

The multitude of great stuff at HF is mentioned here regularly.. so a dozen
small screwdrivers shouldn't cost much.

--
WB
..........


"Jim Wilkins" wrote in message
...

I wonder if a flat screwdriver narrowed to a jam fit might loosen
them.

On Thu, 27 Jan 2011 05:31:56 -0500, the renowned "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


azotic wrote:

?
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
m...

azotic wrote:

?
"Ignoramus11185" wrote in message
...
This is why I never buy any Apple products. I feel that they hate me
and want to put me in "jail". I see a lot of people writing about
"jailbreaking" Apple products. This always puzzled me, as paying money
to Apple to be in jail, does not strike me as a good idea.

i


Agreed, lady friend got conned into buying a macbook now she wants a
bigger
hard drive. Its one of those honeydo jobs.


How about an external drive?


--
You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a band-aid on it, because it's
Teflon coated.

I suggested that, she didnt want to go that route. To much exrtra stuff to
pack when flying to bussines meetings.


No need, if she leaves what she doesn't need for that trip on the
external drive. Another option is a handful of USB memory sticks. I
have a half doven memory sticks, and eight external drives. One is one
terabyte, and smaller ones for different projects. I also have a one
terabyte drive in this computer, that I do web design with.

Does the Macbook Air have an SDHC slot? 16G class 10 cards are less
than $25 these days.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

azotic wrote:
?
"Spehro Pefhany" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 04:17:16 -0800, the renowned "azotic"
wrote:

?Apple is switching to a new type of tamper-resistant screw. This is not a
standard Torx, and there are no readily available screwdrivers that can
remove it. This isn't the first time they've used this type of screw-it
first appeared in the mid-2009 MacBook Pro to prevent you from replacing
the
battery-and Apple is using a similar screw on the outer case of the
current
MacBook Air.

http://www.ifixit.com/blog/blog/2011...w-your-iphone/

Gonna make a screw driver.

Small dividing head, ball nosed end mill, and some drill rod.

T&C grinder, indexer, and some drill blank. I think a
triangular shape might work.

Any other ideas?

Best Regards
Tom.

You should be able to buy Pentalobe drivers for a few dollars RSN
sooo... unless you have a burning desire^H^H^H^Hneed to open up your
iPhone or whatever _now_ , waiting would seem to be a reasonable thing
to do.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--

Lady friend wants to put a bigger hard drive in her macbook.

Best Regards
Tom.

be a man and get her a real computer.

Cydrome Leader wrote:

azotic wrote:
?
"Spehro Pefhany" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 04:17:16 -0800, the renowned "azotic"
wrote:

?Apple is switching to a new type of tamper-resistant screw. This is not a
standard Torx, and there are no readily available screwdrivers that can
remove it. This isn't the first time they've used this type of screw-it
first appeared in the mid-2009 MacBook Pro to prevent you from replacing
the
battery-and Apple is using a similar screw on the outer case of the
current
MacBook Air.

http://www.ifixit.com/blog/blog/2011...w-your-iphone/

Gonna make a screw driver.

Small dividing head, ball nosed end mill, and some drill rod.

T&C grinder, indexer, and some drill blank. I think a
triangular shape might work.

Any other ideas?

Best Regards
Tom.

You should be able to buy Pentalobe drivers for a few dollars RSN
sooo... unless you have a burning desire^H^H^H^Hneed to open up your
iPhone or whatever _now_ , waiting would seem to be a reasonable thing
to do.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--

Lady friend wants to put a bigger hard drive in her macbook.

Best Regards
Tom.

be a man and get her a real computer.

I replaced / upgraded the HD in a friend's macbook (the AL cased one).
There was a disassembly pictorial online that helped, but it was still
quite irritating. Finding a 2.5" PATA drive for it was also difficult.
After successful but tedious drive replacement, I grabbed my PC laptop
and demonstrated the 3.5 second HD removal on a properly designed
machine.