Hey all:

Just got the orginal 74 year old prints' for a drum and cable device
used on the B-17 bomber. The restoration guys want to see if anyone is
interested in making this part... I thought I'd ask here 1st, instead
of going to a big shop. I can upload the prints to the drop box if
anyone is interested... No Money, but you get a piece of history on
your calling card, plus I might throw in a few precision tools...

I dinna know the name of the pretty lady yet...

Best,

Fred V. Fowler III

On 8/29/2010 6:13 AM, Phred wrote:

Just got the orginal 74 year old prints' for a drum and cable device
used on the B-17 bomber. The restoration guys want to see if anyone is
interested in making this part... I thought I'd ask here 1st, instead
of going to a big shop. I can upload the prints to the drop box if
anyone is interested... No Money, but you get a piece of history on
your calling card, plus I might throw in a few precision tools...


Post the drawings!

Jon

On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:13:42 -0400, Phred
scribed:

Hey all:

Just got the orginal 74 year old prints' for a drum and cable device
used on the B-17 bomber. The restoration guys want to see if anyone is
interested in making this part... I thought I'd ask here 1st, instead
of going to a big shop. I can upload the prints to the drop box if
anyone is interested... No Money, but you get a piece of history on
your calling card, plus I might throw in a few precision tools...

I dinna know the name of the pretty lady yet...

Best,

Fred V. Fowler III

On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:13:42 -0400, Phred
scribed:

Hey all:

Just got the orginal 74 year old prints' for a drum and cable device
used on the B-17 bomber. The restoration guys want to see if anyone is
interested in making this part... I thought I'd ask here 1st, instead
of going to a big shop. I can upload the prints to the drop box if
anyone is interested... No Money, but you get a piece of history on
your calling card, plus I might throw in a few precision tools...

I dinna know the name of the pretty lady yet...

Best,

Fred V. Fowler III


What is the Dropbox address for RCM... I will post prints today...

On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:10:03 -0400, Phred
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:13:42 -0400, Phred
scribed:

Hey all:

Just got the orginal 74 year old prints' for a drum and cable device
used on the B-17 bomber. The restoration guys want to see if anyone is
interested in making this part... I thought I'd ask here 1st, instead
of going to a big shop. I can upload the prints to the drop box if
anyone is interested... No Money, but you get a piece of history on
your calling card, plus I might throw in a few precision tools...

I dinna know the name of the pretty lady yet...

Best,

Fred V. Fowler III


What is the Dropbox address for RCM... I will post prints today...

http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox.html

On 2010-08-29, Karl Townsend wrote:



On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:10:03 -0400, Phred
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:13:42 -0400, Phred
scribed:

Hey all:

Just got the orginal 74 year old prints' for a drum and cable device
used on the B-17 bomber. The restoration guys want to see if anyone is

[ ... ]

What is the Dropbox address for RCM... I will post prints today...

http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox.html

Note that this is the address for downloading from the dropbox.
Submissions are via e-mail, and you should go in to the top-level site

http://www.metalworking.com

and click on "using the dropbox" for instructions on how to submit, file
name restrictions, and what kind of files are forbidden (e.g. ".DOC"
files, because of macro virus problems).

Enjoy,
DoN.

P.S. Fred -- not seen you post much recently. Do you still follow
the newsgroup regularly?

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On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:13:42 -0400, Phred
wrote:

Hey all:

Just got the orginal 74 year old prints' for a drum and cable device
used on the B-17 bomber. The restoration guys want to see if anyone is
interested in making this part... I thought I'd ask here 1st, instead
of going to a big shop. I can upload the prints to the drop box if
anyone is interested... No Money, but you get a piece of history on
your calling card, plus I might throw in a few precision tools...

I dinna know the name of the pretty lady yet...

Best,

Fred V. Fowler III


Hey Fred,

Yeah, please do post it to the drop-box so we can all have a peek.

Without even a clue as to size and materials, it just might make a
good "club project" for us. One of our MDMC members is active with
the CAF at Willow Run, so I bet he's interested. (I always want to
call it the Confederate Air Force, but I know that's not it!!)

Or send me a copy "direct"

Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.
Member Metro Detroit Metalworking Club.

ps....nice to "hear" from, you here once in a while. Been some time
though.

On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:18:10 -0400, Brian Lawson
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:13:42 -0400, Phred
wrote:

Hey all:

Just got the orginal 74 year old prints' for a drum and cable device
used on the B-17 bomber. The restoration guys want to see if anyone is
interested in making this part... I thought I'd ask here 1st, instead
of going to a big shop. I can upload the prints to the drop box if
anyone is interested... No Money, but you get a piece of history on
your calling card, plus I might throw in a few precision tools...

I dinna know the name of the pretty lady yet...

Best,

Fred V. Fowler III


Hey Fred,

Yeah, please do post it to the drop-box so we can all have a peek.

Without even a clue as to size and materials, it just might make a
good "club project" for us. One of our MDMC members is active with
the CAF at Willow Run, so I bet he's interested. (I always want to
call it the Confederate Air Force, but I know that's not it!!)

Or send me a copy "direct"

Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.
Member Metro Detroit Metalworking Club.

ps....nice to "hear" from, you here once in a while. Been some time
though.

Before it became the "Commemorative Air Force" it was the Confederate
Air Force. I remember one of Dad's fellow ag pilots keeping a B-25 in
Angleton, Texas for a while (late '60's). As I recall, originally all
members were colonels.

Pete Keillor

Pete Keillor wrote:

Before it became the "Commemorative Air Force" it was the Confederate
Air Force. I remember one of Dad's fellow ag pilots keeping a B-25 in
Angleton, Texas for a while (late '60's). As I recall, originally all
members were colonels.


PC run amok.

Wes

On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:25:05 -0400, Wes
wrote:

Pete Keillor wrote:

Before it became the "Commemorative Air Force" it was the Confederate
Air Force. I remember one of Dad's fellow ag pilots keeping a B-25 in
Angleton, Texas for a while (late '60's). As I recall, originally all
members were colonels.


PC run amok.

Wes

Agreed.

Colonels are cool. We all know a one star has issues :-)

Martin

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On 8/29/2010 4:05 PM, Pete Keillor wrote:
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:18:10 -0400, Brian Lawson
wrote:

On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:13:42 -0400,
wrote:

Hey all:

Just got the orginal 74 year old prints' for a drum and cable device
used on the B-17 bomber. The restoration guys want to see if anyone is
interested in making this part... I thought I'd ask here 1st, instead
of going to a big shop. I can upload the prints to the drop box if
anyone is interested... No Money, but you get a piece of history on
your calling card, plus I might throw in a few precision tools...

I dinna know the name of the pretty lady yet...

Best,

Fred V. Fowler III


Hey Fred,

Yeah, please do post it to the drop-box so we can all have a peek.

Without even a clue as to size and materials, it just might make a
good "club project" for us. One of our MDMC members is active with
the CAF at Willow Run, so I bet he's interested. (I always want to
call it the Confederate Air Force, but I know that's not it!!)

Or send me a copy "direct"

Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.
Member Metro Detroit Metalworking Club.

ps....nice to "hear" from, you here once in a while. Been some time
though.

Before it became the "Commemorative Air Force" it was the Confederate
Air Force. I remember one of Dad's fellow ag pilots keeping a B-25 in
Angleton, Texas for a while (late '60's). As I recall, originally all
members were colonels.

Pete Keillor

What liability issues are associated with us folk making parts for big
things that fly?

Pete Stanaitis
--------------------

On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:13:42 -0400, Phred
scribed:

Hey all:

Just got the orginal 74 year old prints' for a drum and cable device
used on the B-17 bomber. The restoration guys want to see if anyone is
interested in making this part... I thought I'd ask here 1st, instead
of going to a big shop. I can upload the prints to the drop box if
anyone is interested... No Money, but you get a piece of history on
your calling card, plus I might throw in a few precision tools...

I dinna know the name of the pretty lady yet...

Best,

Fred V. Fowler III


Hey all:

I finally got around to posting the print file to the Dropbox... We
have been "balls' to the wall's" getting ready for the IMTS 2010 show!

Maybe I'll see some of you there!

Best,

Fred III

Phred wrote:

http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/B-17_Part.pdf

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:02:38 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
scribed:

Phred wrote:

http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/B-17_Part.pdf


Thanks Bob... Not too familiar with how the "box" works... Plus I've
been getting the IMTS show exhibit together for the last week. Just
shipped today... Thank the God's!

I reckon this part would be for the steering column? Were not the
B-17's still controlled with wire steering? Ailerons? I dinna know
that much, but I do have a B-17 flight manual somewhere... I'll try to
look it up.

Thanks again,

Fred V. Fowler III

"Phred" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:02:38 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
scribed:

Phred wrote:

http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/B-17_Part.pdf


Thanks Bob... Not too familiar with how the "box" works... Plus I've
been getting the IMTS show exhibit together for the last week. Just
shipped today... Thank the God's!

I reckon this part would be for the steering column? Were not the
B-17's still controlled with wire steering? Ailerons? I dinna know
that much, but I do have a B-17 flight manual somewhere... I'll try to
look it up.

Thanks again,

Fred V. Fowler III

My Field Service manual references Rudder and Elevator Tabs controlled
through drums at the Engine Control Stand

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:03:32 -0400, Phred
wrote:

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:02:38 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
scribed:

Phred wrote:

http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/B-17_Part.pdf


Thanks Bob... Not too familiar with how the "box" works... Plus I've
been getting the IMTS show exhibit together for the last week. Just
shipped today... Thank the God's!

I reckon this part would be for the steering column? Were not the
B-17's still controlled with wire steering? Ailerons? I dinna know
that much, but I do have a B-17 flight manual somewhere... I'll try to
look it up.

Thanks again,

Fred V. Fowler III


I certainly don't have the time and pulling out of that groove is over
my capabilities. But, even looking at it sideways, I wouldn't put in
the two circular grooves on the sides to reduce weight. The most of
the stress if it binds will be on the outsides of the cable rapped
around. What's a cubic inch of aluminum for a proven war bird that
will never carry again what it was designed for.

Like the other post, probably trim, the main yoke would be 5-6" dia.
not 2.5"

SW

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:22:36 -0500, Sunworshipper
scribed:

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:03:32 -0400, Phred
wrote:

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:02:38 -0400, Bob Engelhardt
scribed:

Phred wrote:

http://www.metalworking.com/dropbox/B-17_Part.pdf


Thanks Bob... Not too familiar with how the "box" works... Plus I've
been getting the IMTS show exhibit together for the last week. Just
shipped today... Thank the God's!

I reckon this part would be for the steering column? Were not the
B-17's still controlled with wire steering? Ailerons? I dinna know
that much, but I do have a B-17 flight manual somewhere... I'll try to
look it up.

Thanks again,

Fred V. Fowler III


I certainly don't have the time and pulling out of that groove is over
my capabilities. But, even looking at it sideways, I wouldn't put in
the two circular grooves on the sides to reduce weight. The most of
the stress if it binds will be on the outsides of the cable rapped
around. What's a cubic inch of aluminum for a proven war bird that
will never carry again what it was designed for.

Like the other post, probably trim, the main yoke would be 5-6" dia.
not 2.5"

SW

Trim control sounds about right... Much less turn than rudder, and the
dimensions sound about right for tight control over a smaller drum
size and force, more precise control anyway... Or is the bigger the
drum, the more control you have? I was never a physics or calc guy...
I know the bigger a micrometer head, the more precise it is, probably
just cause there are just bigger graduations, more widely spaced,
thus, easier to read and interpret and "split the lines"...

My 0.02 cents...

Fred III

I'll ask the restoration people.