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Liberals Abandon Their Beloved Obama
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:02:28 -0700, Hawke
wrote: What are you using to gauge his progress? If you are going by the legislation he is passing or by the improvements he is showing on fixing the problems he faced when he took over, then he's doing great. If you go by polling he looks not so good. So what is it you are grading him on? What he's accomplished or on what polls say about his popularity among the public. Me, I couldn't care less what the ignorant public thinks. They know nothing, and they're just ****ed because businesses are still not hiring. You're in complete accord with B.O. |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 00:36:37 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:02:28 -0700, Hawke wrote: Me, I couldn't care less what the ignorant public thinks. You're in complete accord with B.O. Double-standard foreman strikes again! What's public opinion about taking the caps off oil companies' liability, and who's standing against that? http://washingtonindependent.com/856...-liability-cap What's public opinion about limiting corporations' ability to corrupt the political process, and who's standing against that? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38434903...-capitol_hill/ You have a mind boggling ability to advocate based on irrational false perceptions. Sensible and serious advice - use the time you waste here to read the damned news instead for gawds sake. Wayne |
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I am personally very impressed with Obama, and am very glad, so far,
that I voted for him. And I do not even consider myself to be a liberal. He is a great president who is handling a very challenging situation in a very good way. McCain was, in comparison, a very low quality person. Sarah Palin would be a big embarrassment for us, as well. i |
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"Ignoramus6705" wrote in message ... I am personally very impressed with Obama, and am very glad, so far, that I voted for him. And I do not even consider myself to be a liberal. He is a great president who is handling a very challenging situation in a very good way. McCain was, in comparison, a very low quality person. Sarah Palin would be a big embarrassment for us, as well. i Feeling frisky today, eh? What you'll see now will be like watching the bottom of a rotting swamp rise to the surface on a bubble of methane gas. g -- Ed Huntress |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:37:19 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "Ignoramus6705" wrote in message ... I am personally very impressed with Obama, and am very glad, so far, that I voted for him. And I do not even consider myself to be a liberal. He is a great president who is handling a very challenging situation in a very good way. McCain was, in comparison, a very low quality person. Sarah Palin would be a big embarrassment for us, as well. i Feeling frisky today, eh? What you'll see now will be like watching the bottom of a rotting swamp rise to the surface on a bubble of methane gas. g No doubt, but I predict that what we won't see are any of these phony conservatives offering genuine debate. It's hard to imagine that things could get worse, yet here we are - at a time when the public is overwhelmingly in favor of being able to know who's corrupting the process, the party of NO! keeps right on truckin'. And what do we see from our resident palin voter? That it's B.O. who ignores public opinion! Maybe the dems need to take it down to "deep-thinker" level... Get a handle on healthcare costs? NO! Remove liability caps for polluters? NO! Disclose who's buying the process? NO! The GOP is the party of no? NO! Hah, gotcha. :-) Wayne |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:37:19 -0400, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Ignoramus6705" wrote in message ... I am personally very impressed with Obama, and am very glad, so far, that I voted for him. And I do not even consider myself to be a liberal. He is a great president who is handling a very challenging situation in a very good way. McCain was, in comparison, a very low quality person. Sarah Palin would be a big embarrassment for us, as well. i Feeling frisky today, eh? What you'll see now will be like watching the bottom of a rotting swamp rise to the surface on a bubble of methane gas. g No doubt, but I predict that what we won't see are any of these phony conservatives offering genuine debate. Genuine debate on anything political is a joke, anyway. It's hard to imagine that things could get worse, yet here we are - at a time when the public is overwhelmingly in favor of being able to know who's corrupting the process, the party of NO! keeps right on truckin'. And what do we see from our resident palin voter? That it's B.O. who ignores public opinion! You have to admit, though, that our phony conservatives have honed the art of snotty derision to a fine edge. They've spent years developing it, they're good at it, and they're going to keep it. It saves them from the messy business of checking facts or thinking. Gunner probably has it all down to macros, from which he can create a post like the phony, "personalized" boilerplate we get in a lot of direct mail these days. Hammy re-uses the same phrases over and over, probably multiple times on the same day. Hey, everyone needs a hobby. And some need scapegoats to blame for their own failings. It beats having to face themselves in the mirror. Maybe the dems need to take it down to "deep-thinker" level... Get a handle on healthcare costs? NO! Remove liability caps for polluters? NO! Disclose who's buying the process? NO! The GOP is the party of no? NO! Hah, gotcha. :-) Wayne You could write questionnaires for Rasmussin. g -- Ed Huntress |
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"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Ignoramus6705" wrote in message ... I am personally very impressed with Obama, and am very glad, so far, that I voted for him. And I do not even consider myself to be a liberal. He is a great president who is handling a very challenging situation in a very good way. McCain was, in comparison, a very low quality person. Sarah Palin would be a big embarrassment for us, as well. i Feeling frisky today, eh? What you'll see now will be like watching the bottom of a rotting swamp rise to the surface on a bubble of methane gas. g LOL Greenhouse gas production at its most prolific. J |
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"John R. Carroll" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Ignoramus6705" wrote in message ... I am personally very impressed with Obama, and am very glad, so far, that I voted for him. And I do not even consider myself to be a liberal. He is a great president who is handling a very challenging situation in a very good way. McCain was, in comparison, a very low quality person. Sarah Palin would be a big embarrassment for us, as well. i Feeling frisky today, eh? What you'll see now will be like watching the bottom of a rotting swamp rise to the surface on a bubble of methane gas. g LOL Greenhouse gas production at its most prolific. The heck of it is, I won't see it. I have most of the reprobates plonked. Even Hammy and his sock puppets. -- Ed Huntress |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:37:19 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "Ignoramus6705" wrote in message ... I am personally very impressed with Obama, and am very glad, so far, that I voted for him. And I do not even consider myself to be a liberal. He is a great president who is handling a very challenging situation in a very good way. McCain was, in comparison, a very low quality person. Sarah Palin would be a big embarrassment for us, as well. i Feeling frisky today, eh? What you'll see now will be like watching the bottom of a rotting swamp rise to the surface on a bubble of methane gas. g LOL Glad someone in this tangle of tightasses still has a sense of humor! |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:37:19 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "Ignoramus6705" wrote in message ... I am personally very impressed with Obama, and am very glad, so far, that I voted for him. And I do not even consider myself to be a liberal. He is a great president who is handling a very challenging situation in a very good way. McCain was, in comparison, a very low quality person. Sarah Palin would be a big embarrassment for us, as well. i Feeling frisky today, eh? What you'll see now will be like watching the bottom of a rotting swamp rise to the surface on a bubble of methane gas. g Ed made me do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W57aBMYKvU |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:36:50 -0500, Don Foreman
wrote: On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:37:19 -0400, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Ignoramus6705" wrote in message ... I am personally very impressed with Obama, and am very glad, so far, that I voted for him. And I do not even consider myself to be a liberal. He is a great president who is handling a very challenging situation in a very good way. McCain was, in comparison, a very low quality person. Sarah Palin would be a big embarrassment for us, as well. i Feeling frisky today, eh? What you'll see now will be like watching the bottom of a rotting swamp rise to the surface on a bubble of methane gas. g Ed made me do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W57aBMYKvU ROFLMAO!!! Check the ratings...16,000 loved it...1400 didnt.. ROFLMAO!! I snagged one of the comments from the posters for a new sig file "A conservative who doesn't believe? in God simply doesn't pray; a godless liberal wants no one to pray. A conservative who doesn't like guns doesn't buy one; a liberal gun-hater wants to disarm us all. A gay conservative has sex his own way; a gay liberal requires us all to watch and accept his perversion and have it taught to children. A conservative who is offended by a radio show changes the station; an offended liberal wants it banned, prosecuted and persecuted." Bobby XD9 One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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On Jul 28, 8:36*pm, Don Foreman wrote:
Ed made me do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W57aBMYKvU "Made" you do it? You have no Free Will? It sounds like you want to establish a State religion that believes women don't have the right to ownership of their own bodies, and your idea of "Free Iraq" seems to be to exterminate everybody who doesn't kiss up to your puppet dictators. We need to get America into rehab for its addiction to warmaking. Thanks, Richard the dreaded Libertarian |
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On Jul 28, 12:33*pm, Ignoramus6705
wrote: I am personally very impressed with Obama, and am very glad, so far, that I voted for him. And I do not even consider myself to be a liberal. He is a great president who is handling a very challenging situation in a very good way. i I am reasonably impressed. His biggest problem is controlling Congress. He did not give them enough direction when they were writing some of the bills. The finance reform bill for example does not touch Sallie Mae or Freddy Mac. I do not think he will be regarded as a great president, but will not be regarded as a bad president. Of course thing may change before he is out of office. Dan |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:33:24 -0500, Ignoramus6705
wrote: I am personally very impressed with Obama, and am very glad, so far, that I voted for him. And I do not even consider myself to be a liberal. He is a great president who is handling a very challenging situation in a very good way. Stick with machinery Iggy. You have a good grasp on nuts and bolts. Your grasp on politics however...is close to zero. McCain was, in comparison, a very low quality person. Sarah Palin would be a big embarrassment for us, as well. The opinion of someone who fled the USSR as a child is noted with amusement. Gunner i One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that, in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid. Gunner Asch |
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On 7/28/2010 1:48 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:33:24 -0500, Ignoramus6705 wrote: I am personally very impressed with Obama, and am very glad, so far, that I voted for him. And I do not even consider myself to be a liberal. He is a great president who is handling a very challenging situation in a very good way. Stick with machinery Iggy. You have a good grasp on nuts and bolts. Your grasp on politics however...is close to zero. McCain was, in comparison, a very low quality person. Sarah Palin would be a big embarrassment for us, as well. The opinion of someone who fled the USSR as a child is noted with amusement. It's greatly amusing when one hears someone as ignorant and partisan about politics as Gummer telling someone else they don't know anything. From what I can tell Iggy seems to be a very rational and logical person, and without a lot of bias. He has seen how Obama is dealing with problems of gigantic proportions and is doing quite well at it. To think that John McCain or Sara Palin would not be up to dealing with the problems Obama has on his plate seems pretty obvious to most people. So I would say I would put my money on what Iggy thinks about politics ahead of Gummer any day of the week. And even if one is a native American and the other is not it's easy to see which one has brains and which one does not. Hawke |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:33:24 -0500, Ignoramus6705
wrote the following: I am personally very impressed with Obama, and am very glad, so far, that I voted for him. And I do not even consider myself to be a liberal. He is a great president who is handling a very challenging situation in a very good way. Please list his wonderful accomplishments so far, Ig. Also, if you have noticed anything that he has mishandled or done poorly, please list it, too. -- It is pretty hard to tell what does bring happiness; poverty and wealth have both failed. -- Kin Hubbard |
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On 2010-07-28, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:33:24 -0500, Ignoramus6705 wrote the following: I am personally very impressed with Obama, and am very glad, so far, that I voted for him. And I do not even consider myself to be a liberal. He is a great president who is handling a very challenging situation in a very good way. Please list his wonderful accomplishments so far, Ig. Let me try 1) The economy has been growing for the last three quarters (*) 2) Inflation is low to nonexistent 3) More people can have medical coverage 4) Reduction of force in Iraq is proceeding All of the above is a fact, not an opinion. (*) http://www.bea.gov/national/index.htm#gdp Also, if you have noticed anything that he has mishandled or done poorly, please list it, too. *) Does not seem to have a sense of direction in Afghanistan. *) Has to do more to reduce deficit i |
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:21:23 -0500, Ignoramus5687
wrote the following: On 2010-07-28, Larry Jaques wrote: On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:33:24 -0500, Ignoramus6705 wrote the following: I am personally very impressed with Obama, and am very glad, so far, that I voted for him. And I do not even consider myself to be a liberal. He is a great president who is handling a very challenging situation in a very good way. Please list his wonderful accomplishments so far, Ig. Let me try 1) The economy has been growing for the last three quarters (*) 2) Inflation is low to nonexistent And BHO has been responsible for these, how? 3) More people can have medical coverage 4) Reduction of force in Iraq is proceeding All of the above is a fact, not an opinion. No, no. I meant for you to show me things that The Chosen One has actually had something to do with, actual accomplishments. #3 is absolute bull**** and you know it. The phrase "more people can have" is futurespeak, not fact. And the several thousand (unread) page Obamacare Bill is nothing more than a tax on the American public -without- actual healthcare coverage. #4 would have been fact with any sitting president, I believe. (*) http://www.bea.gov/national/index.htm#gdp Also, if you have noticed anything that he has mishandled or done poorly, please list it, too. *) Does not seem to have a sense of direction in Afghanistan. *) Has to do more to reduce deficit I'll agree with you there. Canning his efforts to be the first Prez in history to single-handedly **** multiple trillions out of the economy has to be tops, though. Yes, he was handed a mess to begin with, but he appears to be seeking to treble damages before he's done, and that likely won't be repairable. Your children may be speaking Farsi (or, far more likely, Mandarin) by the time they would have been ready for college if the American people don't wake up. -- It is pretty hard to tell what does bring happiness; poverty and wealth have both failed. -- Kin Hubbard |
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"Ignoramus6705" wrote in message ... I am personally very impressed with Obama, and am very glad, so far, that I voted for him. And I do not even consider myself to be a liberal. He is a great president who is handling a very challenging situation in a very good way. McCain was, in comparison, a very low quality person. Sarah Palin would be a big embarrassment for us, as well. I LOL, your nym precedes you! |
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On 7/27/2010 10:36 PM, Don Foreman wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:02:28 -0700, Hawke wrote: What are you using to gauge his progress? If you are going by the legislation he is passing or by the improvements he is showing on fixing the problems he faced when he took over, then he's doing great. If you go by polling he looks not so good. So what is it you are grading him on? What he's accomplished or on what polls say about his popularity among the public. Me, I couldn't care less what the ignorant public thinks. They know nothing, and they're just ****ed because businesses are still not hiring. You're in complete accord with B.O. So what does that mean? When the public opinion agrees with your point of view on an issue the public is brilliant and can be counted on for its insightful choices. But when the public disagrees with your view it's because they are a bunch of ignorant fools. At least I'm consistent. I have little confidence in the public's wisdom. My experience tells me they don't have any. They voted George W. Bush for president, twice. I don't think any more proof of their stupidity than that is required. Hawke |
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On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:44:57 -0700, Hawke
wrote: On 7/27/2010 10:36 PM, Don Foreman wrote: On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:02:28 -0700, Hawke wrote: What are you using to gauge his progress? If you are going by the legislation he is passing or by the improvements he is showing on fixing the problems he faced when he took over, then he's doing great. If you go by polling he looks not so good. So what is it you are grading him on? What he's accomplished or on what polls say about his popularity among the public. Me, I couldn't care less what the ignorant public thinks. They know nothing, and they're just ****ed because businesses are still not hiring. You're in complete accord with B.O. So what does that mean? When the public opinion agrees with your point of view on an issue the public is brilliant and can be counted on for its insightful choices. But when the public disagrees with your view it's because they are a bunch of ignorant fools. At least I'm consistent. I have little confidence in the public's wisdom. My experience tells me they don't have any. They voted George W. Bush for president, twice. I don't think any more proof of their stupidity than that is required. Hawke It doesn't mean a damned thing. My intent was a playful tweak. I thought you'd take it as such, and perhaps you do. Life is far too short to be taken seriously. Obama was the least bad choice in the last election. Bush was such an embarrasment that Jack the Ripper could have won that election if running as a democrat. Meanwhile, patriot veteran McCain was obviously a GOP party hack and I'm amazed that nice-legs Palin has ever had any support from anywhere. I did learn in corporate America to never underestimate the power of T&A. That said: Obama has ****ed off a lot of the citizenry, including some former supporters of hope and change. Post election, he clearly places his agendae over what the public thinks, based on current ratings. Is he right or wrong? TBD. Election is a popularity contest, leadership sometimes requires becoming unpopular. We elected him, so he's El Jefe until 2012. To your point, Hawke: Hope is never a strategy, but the mostly-ignorant, gullible and greedy electorate have spake. We may actually be in violent agreement. |
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So what does that mean? When the public opinion agrees with your point of view on an issue the public is brilliant and can be counted on for its insightful choices. But when the public disagrees with your view it's because they are a bunch of ignorant fools. At least I'm consistent. I have little confidence in the public's wisdom. My experience tells me they don't have any. They voted George W. Bush for president, twice. I don't think any more proof of their stupidity than that is required. Hawke It doesn't mean a damned thing. My intent was a playful tweak. I thought you'd take it as such, and perhaps you do. Life is far too short to be taken seriously. I didn't take it all that seriously. Obama was the least bad choice in the last election. Bush was such an embarrasment that Jack the Ripper could have won that election if running as a democrat. Meanwhile, patriot veteran McCain was obviously a GOP party hack and I'm amazed that nice-legs Palin has ever had any support from anywhere. I did learn in corporate America to never underestimate the power of T&A. I also agree that the last election was not really much of a choice. After such bungling by Bush, only a few nutty types would vote to put republicans in charge of anything. The question is when a president does an average job will the election always be a close one? And as far as T&A goes I give it a high rating. It's one of those things where you can say at least it's not going to hurt. That said: Obama has ****ed off a lot of the citizenry, including some former supporters of hope and change. Post election, he clearly places his agendae over what the public thinks, based on current ratings. I think that is what you call leadership. Anyone can ask the public what to do and then follow their instructions. A leader tells people what his plan is, asks to be elected, and if he is elected then proceeds to put his plan into effect. From my perspective that is what Obama is doing. He's leading. But that doesn't mean he'll be popular. After all, the public is unrealistic. They want an end to our problems immediately and it hasn't happened so they blame Obama. Rome wasn't built in a day. But the public wants things to be good again and don't have any patience. What a surprise, huh? Is he right or wrong? TBD. Election is a popularity contest, leadership sometimes requires becoming unpopular. Exactly. You judge the man on his time in office not on each individual problem he faces. After four years we can decide if Obama did things right or not. It takes a couple of years to get things changed from the last administration and then the next two years you see how the changes worked. We elected him, so he's El Jefe until 2012. To your point, Hawke: Hope is never a strategy, but the mostly-ignorant, gullible and greedy electorate have spake. Anybody that has hope as their strategy shouldn't be in the planning business. But everyone, no matter what their position, always has hope that what they are trying to do will succeed. Obama is no different. The thing is that only some of us hope Obama will be successful. A lot of Americans want him to fail so they can get power for their side. People like that I have no respect for. We may actually be in violent agreement. That's a possibility. Time will tell. Hawke |
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