Ignoramus8716 wrote:

Well, the table is gone. I will probably always wonder if I got
screwed. I will ask the auction guy tomorrow if the buyer looked smart
or stupid. I am glad not to have to deal with that table, however.


Last night I was looking at a Johnson rifle (1941) which are very pricey if original,
sadly it had been sporterized and the value and the gun is only worth what he paid for it
at most. The guy thought he had stuck it rich at a yard sale.



Wes

On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 04:50:47 -0400, Wes
wrote:

Ignoramus8716 wrote:

Well, the table is gone. I will probably always wonder if I got
screwed. I will ask the auction guy tomorrow if the buyer looked smart
or stupid. I am glad not to have to deal with that table, however.


Last night I was looking at a Johnson rifle (1941) which are very pricey if original,
sadly it had been sporterized and the value and the gun is only worth what he paid for it
at most. The guy thought he had stuck it rich at a yard sale.



Wes

Ive seen (2) Johnsons which blew their bolts, after shooting Military
ammo.

Something about them after that..made me very nervous.

parts are readily available, if you ever snag it and want to restor it.

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

Gunner Asch wrote:

Ive seen (2) Johnsons which blew their bolts, after shooting Military
ammo.

Something about them after that..made me very nervous.

parts are readily available, if you ever snag it and want to restor it.

Gunner

Having seen one, I'd rather have a Krag-Jørgensen.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

"Wes" wrote in message
...
Gunner Asch wrote:

Ive seen (2) Johnsons which blew their bolts, after shooting Military
ammo.

Something about them after that..made me very nervous.

parts are readily available, if you ever snag it and want to restor it.

Gunner

Having seen one, I'd rather have a Krag-Jørgensen.

I had one. I got rid of it, because I wouldn't shoot it and I don't want
wall-hangers.

It has a single locking lug. Not strong at all, and it gets iffy with age,
as the metallurgy in those days was mostly guesswork. The action is slick as
snot, though.

I got rid of my low-number Springfield '03 for the same reason. It was one
of the case-hardened receivers.

--
Ed Huntress

"Ed Huntress" wrote:

Having seen one, I'd rather have a Krag-Jørgensen.

I had one. I got rid of it, because I wouldn't shoot it and I don't want
wall-hangers.

It has a single locking lug. Not strong at all, and it gets iffy with age,
as the metallurgy in those days was mostly guesswork. The action is slick as
snot, though.

I'd likely only shoot cast just to call it a shooter.


I got rid of my low-number Springfield '03 for the same reason. It was one
of the case-hardened receivers.

Good choice. Those are wall hangers. One of these days I got to get my 03-A3 out and
shoot it for the first time. I've had it about 8 years. Time flys.

I shot the heck out of my Garand though. Back when pull down powder, cases, and bullets
was cheap and the CMP sold the club .30-06 ammo that I could buy for practice on the
cheap. Ah for the days when I'd get 53 rounds for 15 bucks.

Wes

On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 15:36:16 -0400, Wes
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote:

Having seen one, I'd rather have a Krag-Jørgensen.

I had one. I got rid of it, because I wouldn't shoot it and I don't want
wall-hangers.

It has a single locking lug. Not strong at all, and it gets iffy with age,
as the metallurgy in those days was mostly guesswork. The action is slick as
snot, though.

I'd likely only shoot cast just to call it a shooter.

I have several Krags, including a Norwegian, and shoot light jacketed
loads..the "starting loads" area into midrange.

The early Norwegians were not built as well as the US Krags so one has
to keep them mild. Other than that..Im not aware of any Krag coming
un****ed

And of course...Cast bullets are usable up to rather surprisingly high
velocities, assuming barrels are in good shape.


I got rid of my low-number Springfield '03 for the same reason. It was one
of the case-hardened receivers.

They are safe enough, if you kept loadings down to 40-45kpsi. The 50 or
so recorded blowups of low numbered Springfields have been largely
investigated when known and were found to be barrel pluggings and faulty
ammo. Ive got one that Ive personally fired at least 50,000 rounds
through, nearly all being jacketed. But then. I seldom redline any load
or use high brissance powders.

Good choice. Those are wall hangers. One of these days I got to get my 03-A3 out and
shoot it for the first time. I've had it about 8 years. Time flys.

I shot the heck out of my Garand though. Back when pull down powder, cases, and bullets
was cheap and the CMP sold the club .30-06 ammo that I could buy for practice on the
cheap. Ah for the days when I'd get 53 rounds for 15 bucks.

Wes

If you handload, you can get 100 rds for $25, if shooting good quality
jacketed, half that if you buy pulled bullets online and for $4 if you
shoot cast.

the 06 is one of my long time favorite rounds and Ive fired well over
100,000 of them in the past 40 yrs.

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 15:36:16 -0400, Wes
wrote:

"Ed Huntress" wrote:

Having seen one, I'd rather have a Krag-Jørgensen.

I had one. I got rid of it, because I wouldn't shoot it and I don't want
wall-hangers.

It has a single locking lug. Not strong at all, and it gets iffy with age,
as the metallurgy in those days was mostly guesswork. The action is slick as
snot, though.

I'd likely only shoot cast just to call it a shooter.

I have several Krags, including a Norwegian, and shoot light jacketed
loads..the "starting loads" area into midrange.

The early Norwegians were not built as well as the US Krags so one has
to keep them mild. Other than that..Im not aware of any Krag coming
un****ed

I'd want a US Krag.


And of course...Cast bullets are usable up to rather surprisingly high
velocities, assuming barrels are in good shape.

I'm not sure what the current limits are but 2000 fps is easy to achieve if you pay
attention to details.



I got rid of my low-number Springfield '03 for the same reason. It was one
of the case-hardened receivers.

They are safe enough, if you kept loadings down to 40-45kpsi. The 50 or
so recorded blowups of low numbered Springfields have been largely
investigated when known and were found to be barrel pluggings and faulty
ammo. Ive got one that Ive personally fired at least 50,000 rounds
through, nearly all being jacketed. But then. I seldom redline any load
or use high brissance powders.

I think Ed made the right choice. If you don't trust what you are shooting, don't keep
it. For example, bullpups look interesting, I don't want one next to my head no matter
how well constructed.


Good choice. Those are wall hangers. One of these days I got to get my 03-A3 out and
shoot it for the first time. I've had it about 8 years. Time flys.

I shot the heck out of my Garand though. Back when pull down powder, cases, and bullets
was cheap and the CMP sold the club .30-06 ammo that I could buy for practice on the
cheap. Ah for the days when I'd get 53 rounds for 15 bucks.

Wes

If you handload, you can get 100 rds for $25, if shooting good quality
jacketed, half that if you buy pulled bullets online and for $4 if you
shoot cast.

Are there still .30 cal pulled bullets available? I thought that dried up a long time
ago.


the 06 is one of my long time favorite rounds and Ive fired well over
100,000 of them in the past 40 yrs.

Oh I like it. My favorite shooting was at the 600 yard line at the club.

I'd like to get back into Highpower but the next time I get in, I'll be shooting a mouse
gun. The 2 grand price tag has kept me from buying one so far. The coin cans are slowly
filling up.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:56:18 -0400, Wes
wrote:


If you handload, you can get 100 rds for $25, if shooting good quality
jacketed, half that if you buy pulled bullets online and for $4 if you
shoot cast.

Are there still .30 cal pulled bullets available? I thought that dried up a long time
ago.

http://www.polygunbag.com/bullets.html

http://www.hi-techammo.com/

http://www.gibrass.com/projectiles.html

Just 3 that I found in 30 seconds. Lots more out there.

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

Gunner Asch on Sat, 26 Jun 2010 17:33:15 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:56:18 -0400, Wes
wrote:


If you handload, you can get 100 rds for $25, if shooting good quality
jacketed, half that if you buy pulled bullets online and for $4 if you
shoot cast.

Are there still .30 cal pulled bullets available? I thought that dried up a long time
ago.

http://www.polygunbag.com/bullets.html

http://www.hi-techammo.com/

http://www.gibrass.com/projectiles.html

Just 3 that I found in 30 seconds. Lots more out there.

Pulled bullets? I take it, those are bullets which were part of a
cartridge, but got "pulled" for some reason?
--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

pyotr filipivich wrote:


Pulled bullets? I take it, those are bullets which were part of a
cartridge, but got "pulled" for some reason?


When the Dod disposes of ammo, it has to be destroyed. Taking the cartridge a part and
killing the primer is considered destroyed. The bullets, cases, and powder are reclaimed
and sold.

Wes

On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 23:47:43 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Gunner Asch on Sat, 26 Jun 2010 17:33:15 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:56:18 -0400, Wes
wrote:


If you handload, you can get 100 rds for $25, if shooting good quality
jacketed, half that if you buy pulled bullets online and for $4 if you
shoot cast.

Are there still .30 cal pulled bullets available? I thought that dried up a long time
ago.

http://www.polygunbag.com/bullets.html

http://www.hi-techammo.com/

http://www.gibrass.com/projectiles.html

Just 3 that I found in 30 seconds. Lots more out there.

Pulled bullets? I take it, those are bullets which were part of a
cartridge, but got "pulled" for some reason?


Ayup. Properly pulled with a collet type tool that doesnt damage the
projectile like a pair of pliers will do.

Some government agencies for example..wont sell surplus ammo as complete
ammo, but they will sell it as scrap, if you sign an agreement to
"destroy" the loaded cartridge.

Once you pulled the bullet and put it in one box, dumped the powder in
another can..you have destroyed the cartridge.

And can sell the bullet, powder and primed cartridge case seperately.

Shrug

Gunner


Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

Gunner Asch on Sun, 27 Jun 2010 10:36:00 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:


Just 3 that I found in 30 seconds. Lots more out there.

Pulled bullets? I take it, those are bullets which were part of a
cartridge, but got "pulled" for some reason?


Ayup. Properly pulled with a collet type tool that doesnt damage the
projectile like a pair of pliers will do.

Some government agencies for example..wont sell surplus ammo as complete
ammo, but they will sell it as scrap, if you sign an agreement to
"destroy" the loaded cartridge.

Once you pulled the bullet and put it in one box, dumped the powder in
another can..you have destroyed the cartridge.

And can sell the bullet, powder and primed cartridge case seperately.

Shrug

I'm sure it makes sense to some one. Back in high school, the Air
Force decided they had some Ordnance which was past it's "Use by"
date. So they got some bids for disposal, and were all set to sign a
contract when some bright boy realized that the guy intended to use
the explosives as raw material for fertilizer, which he would be able
to sell at a profit. Couldn't have that, so for several weeks, the
EOD guys got to practice blowing "UXB" in place.
Well, at least some one got to have some fun. I'd have just
scheduled a massive live fire exercise at the bombing range and have
the fly boys get some practice.

pyotr
--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Gunner Asch on Sun, 27 Jun 2010 10:36:00 -0700
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:


Just 3 that I found in 30 seconds. Lots more out there.

Pulled bullets? I take it, those are bullets which were part of a
cartridge, but got "pulled" for some reason?


Ayup. Properly pulled with a collet type tool that doesnt damage the
projectile like a pair of pliers will do.

Some government agencies for example..wont sell surplus ammo as complete
ammo, but they will sell it as scrap, if you sign an agreement to
"destroy" the loaded cartridge.

Once you pulled the bullet and put it in one box, dumped the powder in
another can..you have destroyed the cartridge.

And can sell the bullet, powder and primed cartridge case seperately.

Shrug

I'm sure it makes sense to some one. Back in high school, the Air
Force decided they had some Ordnance which was past it's "Use by"
date. So they got some bids for disposal, and were all set to sign a
contract when some bright boy realized that the guy intended to use
the explosives as raw material for fertilizer, which he would be able
to sell at a profit. Couldn't have that, so for several weeks, the
EOD guys got to practice blowing "UXB" in place.
Well, at least some one got to have some fun. I'd have just
scheduled a massive live fire exercise at the bombing range and have
the fly boys get some practice.

pyotr


Not too long ago, some idiot issued orders to really destroy ammo. Congress put a stop to
that in a bipartisan measure.

Via Greshams podcast I learned that Federal Cartridge cut a deal to really destroy ammo.
That one got killed also. I'm not buying Federal Cartrige products in the future.

Wes

Wes wrote:

Via Greshams podcast I learned that Federal Cartridge cut a deal to really destroy ammo.
That one got killed also. I'm not buying Federal Cartrige products in the future.

The deal was with base commanders. Left that bit out. Sorry for the double post.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller