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One more gunsmith question
The trigger guard on this kids' Savage Arms shotgun attaches with
screws (which are missing). The thread looks like 10-32, but becomes hard to turn after appx. 3 turns. Is that possibly a weird thread, or is it just designed to hold the screw tightly? Secondly, while I could go to Ace Hadrware and buy two very short 10-32 screws, they will not look original because the original ones were black. Not really a big deal, but is there some place to buy matching screws. i |
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On Sat, 08 May 2010 17:16:22 -0500, Ignoramus9556 wrote:
The trigger guard on this kids' Savage Arms shotgun attaches with screws (which are missing). The thread looks like 10-32, but becomes hard to turn after appx. 3 turns. Is that possibly a weird thread, or is it just designed to hold the screw tightly? It probably is the standard coarse metric size 5mm x .8mm. Note that 10-32 major diameter is 0.1900" or 4.8260 mm and spacing is 1/32" = .03125" = .79375 mm, fairly close to 5x.8mm metric. [snip rest] -- jiw |
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On Sat, 8 May 2010 22:42:22 +0000 (UTC), James Waldby
wrote: On Sat, 08 May 2010 17:16:22 -0500, Ignoramus9556 wrote: The trigger guard on this kids' Savage Arms shotgun attaches with screws (which are missing). The thread looks like 10-32, but becomes hard to turn after appx. 3 turns. Is that possibly a weird thread, or is it just designed to hold the screw tightly? It probably is the standard coarse metric size 5mm x .8mm. Note that 10-32 major diameter is 0.1900" or 4.8260 mm and spacing is 1/32" = .03125" = .79375 mm, fairly close to 5x.8mm metric. An M5 screw in a 10-32 hole acts like what Iggy describes, but a 10-32 screw is a sloppy fit in an M5 hole. -- Ned Simmons |
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On Sat, 08 May 2010 17:16:22 -0500, Ignoramus9556
wrote: The trigger guard on this kids' Savage Arms shotgun attaches with screws (which are missing). The thread looks like 10-32, but becomes hard to turn after appx. 3 turns. Is that possibly a weird thread, or is it just designed to hold the screw tightly? Secondly, while I could go to Ace Hadrware and buy two very short 10-32 screws, they will not look original because the original ones were black. Not really a big deal, but is there some place to buy matching screws. i http://www.gunpartscorp.com/ use the very handy search engine on the left side of the page and find the exact replacement screws Gunner -- "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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On Sat, 8 May 2010 22:42:22 +0000 (UTC), James Waldby wrote:
On Sat, 08 May 2010 17:16:22 -0500, Ignoramus9556 wrote: The trigger guard on this kids' Savage Arms shotgun attaches with screws (which are missing). The thread looks like 10-32, but becomes hard to turn after appx. 3 turns. Is that possibly a weird thread, or is it just designed to hold the screw tightly? It probably is the standard coarse metric size 5mm x .8mm. Note that 10-32 major diameter is 0.1900" or 4.8260 mm and spacing is 1/32" = .03125" = .79375 mm, fairly close to 5x.8mm metric. [snip rest] Most American manufactures used some odd threads, but few were metric. Iggy can buy the proper screws at GunParts, or simply retap the holes for 10-32 full depth, and black oxide some standard screws he buffed the galvinizing off of. Gunner -- "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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On 5/8/2010 17:16, Ignoramus9556 wrote:
The trigger guard on this kids' Savage Arms shotgun attaches with screws (which are missing). The thread looks like 10-32, but becomes hard to turn after appx. 3 turns. Is that possibly a weird thread, or is it just designed to hold the screw tightly? Secondly, while I could go to Ace Hadrware and buy two very short 10-32 screws, they will not look original because the original ones were black. Not really a big deal, but is there some place to buy matching screws. i Have you tried Brownell's? |
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On 5/8/2010 19:20, Louis Ohland wrote:
On 5/8/2010 17:16, Ignoramus9556 wrote: The trigger guard on this kids' Savage Arms shotgun attaches with screws (which are missing). The thread looks like 10-32, but becomes hard to turn after appx. 3 turns. Is that possibly a weird thread, or is it just designed to hold the screw tightly? Secondly, while I could go to Ace Hadrware and buy two very short 10-32 screws, they will not look original because the original ones were black. Not really a big deal, but is there some place to buy matching screws. i Have you tried Brownell's? http://www.gunpartscorp.com/ Numrich Arms |
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On Sat, 08 May 2010 18:54:44 -0400, Ned Simmons wrote:
On Sat, 8 May 2010 22:42:22 +0000 (UTC), James Waldby wrote: On Sat, 08 May 2010 17:16:22 -0500, Ignoramus9556 wrote: The trigger guard on this kids' Savage Arms shotgun attaches with screws (which are missing). The thread looks like 10-32, but becomes hard to turn after appx. 3 turns. Is that possibly a weird thread, or is it just designed to hold the screw tightly? It probably is the standard coarse metric size 5mm x .8mm. Note that 10-32 major diameter is 0.1900" or 4.8260 mm and spacing is 1/32" = .03125" = .79375 mm, fairly close to 5x.8mm metric. An M5 screw in a 10-32 hole acts like what Iggy describes, but a 10-32 screw is a sloppy fit in an M5 hole. I just remembered...10-36 is a rather common gun screw size. as is 10-40 and 10-48 http://www.efunda.com/designstandard...ws/unified.cfm Its probably a 10-36 It should be noted..that gun screws are Seldom "common" sizes in thread dimension. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=613054 As an example.... Gunner -- "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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On 2010-05-08, Gunner Asch wrote:
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/ use the very handy search engine on the left side of the page and find the exact replacement screws Gunner, this website is totally awesome, it is like McMaster-Carr of guns. I found replacement screws at $2.50 each. THANK YOU!!! i |
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On Sat, 08 May 2010 19:37:36 -0500, Ignoramus9556
wrote: On 2010-05-08, Gunner Asch wrote: http://www.gunpartscorp.com/ use the very handy search engine on the left side of the page and find the exact replacement screws Gunner, this website is totally awesome, it is like McMaster-Carr of guns. I found replacement screws at $2.50 each. THANK YOU!!! i Ive been trading there for over 30 yrs. Chuckle Got lots of other places, depending on what you are looking for in arms, ammo and so forth. They also have Stuff that never makes it to the catalogs. I was looking for an extractor for a Bergman Bayard 1903...and they had (1) carcass stuck on a shelf. It helps if you have good contact skills and have dealt with some of the guys for many years G Got lots of other places, depending on what you are looking for in arms, ammo and so forth I see they are running specials on shotgun stocks for some of the more common clunkers at the moment. Got a couple I might need to "dress up" a bit, after giving it a cursory run through. Gunner -- "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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On Sat, 08 May 2010 17:16:22 -0500, Ignoramus9556
wrote: The trigger guard on this kids' Savage Arms shotgun attaches with screws (which are missing). The thread looks like 10-32, but becomes hard to turn after appx. 3 turns. Is that possibly a weird thread, or is it just designed to hold the screw tightly? Secondly, while I could go to Ace Hadrware and buy two very short 10-32 screws, they will not look original because the original ones were black. Not really a big deal, but is there some place to buy matching screws. i Guns quite commonly use finer-pitch threads than UNF. It's probably a 10-36. A possibility: http://www.sharpshootersupply.com:80/ Or make them on your lathe. You'll have the blackening stuff anyway, right? |
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On May 8, 6:37*pm, Ignoramus9556
wrote: On 2010-05-08, Gunner Asch wrote: http://www.gunpartscorp.com/ use the very handy search engine on the left side of the page and find the exact replacement screws Gunner, this website is totally awesome, it is like McMaster-Carr of guns. I found replacement screws at $2.50 each. THANK YOU!!! i If you fork out for the catalogs, you'll get a lifetime reference. Now comes in two volumes. As far as threads are concerned, guns are wide open. A lot of designs originated way before screw threads were standardized. Brownell's is about the only place you can get taps and dies for some of them. Stan |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message ... On Sat, 08 May 2010 18:54:44 -0400, Ned Simmons wrote: On Sat, 8 May 2010 22:42:22 +0000 (UTC), James Waldby wrote: On Sat, 08 May 2010 17:16:22 -0500, Ignoramus9556 wrote: The trigger guard on this kids' Savage Arms shotgun attaches with screws (which are missing). The thread looks like 10-32, but becomes hard to turn after appx. 3 turns. Is that possibly a weird thread, or is it just designed to hold the screw tightly? It probably is the standard coarse metric size 5mm x .8mm. Note that 10-32 major diameter is 0.1900" or 4.8260 mm and spacing is 1/32" = .03125" = .79375 mm, fairly close to 5x.8mm metric. An M5 screw in a 10-32 hole acts like what Iggy describes, but a 10-32 screw is a sloppy fit in an M5 hole. I just remembered...10-36 is a rather common gun screw size. as is 10-40 and 10-48 http://www.efunda.com/designstandard...ws/unified.cfm Its probably a 10-36 It should be noted..that gun screws are Seldom "common" sizes in thread dimension. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=613054 As an example.... Gunner -- HOLY CRAP! $20 for a tap? |
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On Sun, 9 May 2010 02:38:44 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote the following: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message .. . http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=613054 HOLY CRAP! $20 for a tap? Hey, millions of electrons have to slave over a hot, oily CNC all day to produce one of those teensy little things, Tawm. Whaddaya want? -- The doctor of the future will give no medicine, but will interest her or his patients in the care of the human frame, in a proper diet, and in the cause and prevention of disease. -- Thomas A. Edison |
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On Sun, 9 May 2010 02:38:44 -0400, "Buerste"
wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 08 May 2010 18:54:44 -0400, Ned Simmons wrote: On Sat, 8 May 2010 22:42:22 +0000 (UTC), James Waldby wrote: On Sat, 08 May 2010 17:16:22 -0500, Ignoramus9556 wrote: The trigger guard on this kids' Savage Arms shotgun attaches with screws (which are missing). The thread looks like 10-32, but becomes hard to turn after appx. 3 turns. Is that possibly a weird thread, or is it just designed to hold the screw tightly? It probably is the standard coarse metric size 5mm x .8mm. Note that 10-32 major diameter is 0.1900" or 4.8260 mm and spacing is 1/32" = .03125" = .79375 mm, fairly close to 5x.8mm metric. An M5 screw in a 10-32 hole acts like what Iggy describes, but a 10-32 screw is a sloppy fit in an M5 hole. I just remembered...10-36 is a rather common gun screw size. as is 10-40 and 10-48 http://www.efunda.com/designstandard...ws/unified.cfm Its probably a 10-36 It should be noted..that gun screws are Seldom "common" sizes in thread dimension. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=613054 As an example.... Gunner -- HOLY CRAP! $20 for a tap? Ayup. Wierd sizes are more expensive than normal made by the millions sizes. Gunner -- "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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"Buerste" wrote:
HOLY CRAP! $20 for a tap? http://www.jtsmach.com/jtswebshop/Ta...?prodcode=T057 The last time I bought odd taps from them they were Polish. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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On Sun, 09 May 2010 20:09:07 -0400, Wes
wrote: "Buerste" wrote: HOLY CRAP! $20 for a tap? http://www.jtsmach.com/jtswebshop/Ta...?prodcode=T057 The last time I bought odd taps from them they were Polish. Wes Good taps, great price. Gunner -- "First Law of Leftist Debate The more you present a leftist with factual evidence that is counter to his preconceived world view and the more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot, homophobe approaches infinity. This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to the subject." Grey Ghost |
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