On 2/25/2010 1:20 PM, Ignoramus2215 wrote:
That Series II Bridgeport mill weighs 5000 lbs, plus or minus. My
trailer axles are 6,000 lbs, which means that I will be slightly above
the rating.

The easiest way from the seller would be on a highway, which is
actually a decently paved highway. In any case, I would like to drive
slowly, like 40-45 miles an hour, this way I would get the best of
both worlds, safe slow driving and highway quality road.

My question is, how likely will the police be to hassle me for driving
too slowly, if, say, the lowest speed limit is 45 and I am going 40.

The truth is hard, but must be told. The police will hassle you if they
do not like your looks, assuming they are not busy doing something else.
If you _look_ unsafe, prepare to be pulled over, no matter what the
speed limits may be.
Your trailer has a common failure point- the tires. You only have two,
and you are operating near or over their limits. If anything twitches,
you have an interesting situation. You need a different class of equipment.
Consider hiring riggers for a couple of hours. They have the right
stuff, and will put the mill where you want it in the garage. No drama.
As an alternative, you might think about renting an "escalator" trailer.
Keeps the COG low, and makes it easier to get the mill off, so you can
take the trailer back.


Worth what it costs.

Kevin Gallimore

axolotl wrote:

On 2/25/2010 1:20 PM, Ignoramus2215 wrote:
That Series II Bridgeport mill weighs 5000 lbs, plus or minus. My
trailer axles are 6,000 lbs, which means that I will be slightly above
the rating.

The easiest way from the seller would be on a highway, which is
actually a decently paved highway. In any case, I would like to drive
slowly, like 40-45 miles an hour, this way I would get the best of
both worlds, safe slow driving and highway quality road.

My question is, how likely will the police be to hassle me for driving
too slowly, if, say, the lowest speed limit is 45 and I am going 40.

The truth is hard, but must be told. The police will hassle you if they
do not like your looks, assuming they are not busy doing something else.
If you _look_ unsafe, prepare to be pulled over, no matter what the
speed limits may be.
Your trailer has a common failure point- the tires. You only have two,
and you are operating near or over their limits. If anything twitches,
you have an interesting situation. You need a different class of equipment.
Consider hiring riggers for a couple of hours. They have the right
stuff, and will put the mill where you want it in the garage. No drama.
As an alternative, you might think about renting an "escalator" trailer.
Keeps the COG low, and makes it easier to get the mill off, so you can
take the trailer back.

Worth what it costs.

Kevin Gallimore

The point about single axle is important, if you get a flat with that
high COG load, the whole thing is going over and it won't be pretty.

The $60 dual axle equipment trailer that normally carries Bobcats,
trenchers, etc. is a much safer option. You can probably get a discount
rate for a weekend rental as well.

"axolotl" wrote in message
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On 2/25/2010 1:20 PM, Ignoramus2215 wrote:

Your trailer has a common failure point- the tires. You only have two,
and you are operating near or over their limits.

This is a good point the maximum is the lesser of the rating of the tires or
the axel. if the tires are not rated for 3,000 lbs. each then your weight
limit will be the rating of the tires.

The weight of the tires are excluded from the calculation however. (2 times
each rating)

The wheels also have a maximum safe load, and if the wheels are rated lower
than the axel or the tires then you are over weight.

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.

On 2010-02-26, Roger Shoaf wrote:

"axolotl" wrote in message
...
On 2/25/2010 1:20 PM, Ignoramus2215 wrote:

Your trailer has a common failure point- the tires. You only have two,
and you are operating near or over their limits.

This is a good point the maximum is the lesser of the rating of the tires or
the axel. if the tires are not rated for 3,000 lbs. each then your weight
limit will be the rating of the tires.

The weight of the tires are excluded from the calculation however. (2 times
each rating)

The wheels also have a maximum safe load, and if the wheels are rated lower
than the axel or the tires then you are over weight.


When I bought my trailer 2 years ago, I bought a brand new Al-Ko 6,000
lb axle, with everything else including suspension, brakes, wheels,
and tires. The tires are still quite good, since I do not use this
trailer often.

i

On 2010-02-26, Ignoramus27062 wrote:
On 2010-02-26, Roger Shoaf wrote:

"axolotl" wrote in message
...
On 2/25/2010 1:20 PM, Ignoramus2215 wrote:

Your trailer has a common failure point- the tires. You only have two,
and you are operating near or over their limits.

This is a good point the maximum is the lesser of the rating of the tires or
the axel. if the tires are not rated for 3,000 lbs. each then your weight
limit will be the rating of the tires.

The weight of the tires are excluded from the calculation however. (2 times
each rating)

The wheels also have a maximum safe load, and if the wheels are rated lower
than the axel or the tires then you are over weight.


When I bought my trailer 2 years ago, I bought a brand new Al-Ko 6,000

I do not know what I was thinking about, I meant to say "built my trailer".

i

lb axle, with everything else including suspension, brakes, wheels,
and tires. The tires are still quite good, since I do not use this
trailer often.

i

Ignoramus27062 wrote:

On 2010-02-26, Ignoramus27062 wrote:
On 2010-02-26, Roger Shoaf wrote:

"axolotl" wrote in message
...
On 2/25/2010 1:20 PM, Ignoramus2215 wrote:

Your trailer has a common failure point- the tires. You only have two,
and you are operating near or over their limits.

This is a good point the maximum is the lesser of the rating of the tires or
the axel. if the tires are not rated for 3,000 lbs. each then your weight
limit will be the rating of the tires.

The weight of the tires are excluded from the calculation however. (2 times
each rating)

The wheels also have a maximum safe load, and if the wheels are rated lower
than the axel or the tires then you are over weight.


When I bought my trailer 2 years ago, I bought a brand new Al-Ko 6,000

I do not know what I was thinking about, I meant to say "built my trailer".

i

lb axle, with everything else including suspension, brakes, wheels,
and tires. The tires are still quite good, since I do not use this
trailer often.

i

Tires age, even if not being used, best to inspect them carefully. Also
best to validate the load rating of the tire printed on the sidewall,
not assume it was selected properly.

Again, with that high COG load, if you get a flat on your single axle
trailer, 95% probability the whole thing will go over. If this happens
at even 45 MPH it will be even less pretty. Also, with the high COG
load, even slow turns will be putting a lot more than 3,000# load on the
outside tire during the turn.

Be sure you have a camera with you to take before and after pictures...

On 2010-02-26, Pete C. wrote:

Ignoramus27062 wrote:

On 2010-02-26, Ignoramus27062 wrote:
On 2010-02-26, Roger Shoaf wrote:

"axolotl" wrote in message
...
On 2/25/2010 1:20 PM, Ignoramus2215 wrote:

Your trailer has a common failure point- the tires. You only have two,
and you are operating near or over their limits.

This is a good point the maximum is the lesser of the rating of the tires or
the axel. if the tires are not rated for 3,000 lbs. each then your weight
limit will be the rating of the tires.

The weight of the tires are excluded from the calculation however. (2 times
each rating)

The wheels also have a maximum safe load, and if the wheels are rated lower
than the axel or the tires then you are over weight.


When I bought my trailer 2 years ago, I bought a brand new Al-Ko 6,000

I do not know what I was thinking about, I meant to say "built my trailer".

i

lb axle, with everything else including suspension, brakes, wheels,
and tires. The tires are still quite good, since I do not use this
trailer often.

i

Tires age, even if not being used, best to inspect them carefully. Also
best to validate the load rating of the tire printed on the sidewall,
not assume it was selected properly.

Again, with that high COG load, if you get a flat on your single axle
trailer, 95% probability the whole thing will go over. If this happens
at even 45 MPH it will be even less pretty. Also, with the high COG
load, even slow turns will be putting a lot more than 3,000# load on the
outside tire during the turn.

Be sure you have a camera with you to take before and after pictures...

Tires that are rated for, say, 3,000 lbs do not magically burst at
3,001 lbs load.

It has a high COG, but not really that high, if I lower the knee.

It is supported by a triangle of two tires and the pintle.

I am not really claiming to be an expert, but, I think, I will be
fine.

The seller told me today that according to his findings, it weighs
3,000 lbs and not 5,000. I am not sure what to believe, but, I think
that I will be OK in any case.

i

Ignoramus27062 wrote:

On 2010-02-26, Pete C. wrote:

Ignoramus27062 wrote:

On 2010-02-26, Ignoramus27062 wrote:
On 2010-02-26, Roger Shoaf wrote:

"axolotl" wrote in message
...
On 2/25/2010 1:20 PM, Ignoramus2215 wrote:

Your trailer has a common failure point- the tires. You only have two,
and you are operating near or over their limits.

This is a good point the maximum is the lesser of the rating of the tires or
the axel. if the tires are not rated for 3,000 lbs. each then your weight
limit will be the rating of the tires.

The weight of the tires are excluded from the calculation however. (2 times
each rating)

The wheels also have a maximum safe load, and if the wheels are rated lower
than the axel or the tires then you are over weight.


When I bought my trailer 2 years ago, I bought a brand new Al-Ko 6,000

I do not know what I was thinking about, I meant to say "built my trailer".

i

lb axle, with everything else including suspension, brakes, wheels,
and tires. The tires are still quite good, since I do not use this
trailer often.

i

Tires age, even if not being used, best to inspect them carefully. Also
best to validate the load rating of the tire printed on the sidewall,
not assume it was selected properly.

Again, with that high COG load, if you get a flat on your single axle
trailer, 95% probability the whole thing will go over. If this happens
at even 45 MPH it will be even less pretty. Also, with the high COG
load, even slow turns will be putting a lot more than 3,000# load on the
outside tire during the turn.

Be sure you have a camera with you to take before and after pictures...

Tires that are rated for, say, 3,000 lbs do not magically burst at
3,001 lbs load.

No, but a high COG load on a curve or turn applies substantially more or
the weight to the outside tire vs. the static loading. If you're loaded
up with 3,000# static load, it would not be at all unlikely for that
outside tire to see 5,000# or load on a modest turn.


It has a high COG, but not really that high, if I lower the knee.

What is the track width of the trailer? Is it the max 8' and change, or
less? The smaller the track width, the more dramatic the effect.


It is supported by a triangle of two tires and the pintle.

The pintle is the pivot point and provides no support side to side. The
pintle is where it will pivot when it tips over when you get a flat.


I am not really claiming to be an expert, but, I think, I will be
fine.

You may be fine, but you are pushing it near the limits so you have
little safety margin. A good pothole could do you in.


The seller told me today that according to his findings, it weighs
3,000 lbs and not 5,000. I am not sure what to believe, but, I think
that I will be OK in any case.

Since a basic series 1 weighs over 2,000#, I find it very difficult to
believe the much larger series 2 plus CNC controls and servos weighs
anywhere near 3,000#. 5,000# may be a bit over, but I wouldn't be at all
surprised if it weighs 4,500#+.

Like I said, bring a camera for before pictures to show the mill
properly secured, and any after pictures...

On 2010-02-26, Pete C. wrote:
Tires that are rated for, say, 3,000 lbs do not magically burst at
3,001 lbs load.

No, but a high COG load on a curve or turn applies substantially more or
the weight to the outside tire vs. the static loading. If you're loaded
up with 3,000# static load, it would not be at all unlikely for that
outside tire to see 5,000# or load on a modest turn.

This depends severely on how sharp (speed vs. radius) is the turn,
which is something under my control.

It has a high COG, but not really that high, if I lower the knee.

What is the track width of the trailer? Is it the max 8' and change,
or less? The smaller the track width, the more dramatic the effect.

It is not 8 feet, but I think a little over 6 feet.


It is supported by a triangle of two tires and the pintle.

The pintle is the pivot point and provides no support side to side. The
pintle is where it will pivot when it tips over when you get a flat.


Yes, but not from a flat tire.

I am not really claiming to be an expert, but, I think, I will be
fine.

You may be fine, but you are pushing it near the limits so you have
little safety margin. A good pothole could do you in.

I agree. It is close to the limit.


The seller told me today that according to his findings, it weighs
3,000 lbs and not 5,000. I am not sure what to believe, but, I think
that I will be OK in any case.

Since a basic series 1 weighs over 2,000#, I find it very difficult to
believe the much larger series 2 plus CNC controls and servos weighs
anywhere near 3,000#. 5,000# may be a bit over, but I wouldn't be at all
surprised if it weighs 4,500#+.

Like I said, bring a camera for before pictures to show the mill
properly secured, and any after pictures...

I will indeed do so.

i

Ignoramus27062 wrote:

On 2010-02-26, Pete C. wrote:
Tires that are rated for, say, 3,000 lbs do not magically burst at
3,001 lbs load.

No, but a high COG load on a curve or turn applies substantially more or
the weight to the outside tire vs. the static loading. If you're loaded
up with 3,000# static load, it would not be at all unlikely for that
outside tire to see 5,000# or load on a modest turn.

This depends severely on how sharp (speed vs. radius) is the turn,
which is something under my control.

It has a high COG, but not really that high, if I lower the knee.

What is the track width of the trailer? Is it the max 8' and change,
or less? The smaller the track width, the more dramatic the effect.

It is not 8 feet, but I think a little over 6 feet.


It is supported by a triangle of two tires and the pintle.

The pintle is the pivot point and provides no support side to side. The
pintle is where it will pivot when it tips over when you get a flat.


Yes, but not from a flat tire.

I am not really claiming to be an expert, but, I think, I will be
fine.

You may be fine, but you are pushing it near the limits so you have
little safety margin. A good pothole could do you in.

I agree. It is close to the limit.


The seller told me today that according to his findings, it weighs
3,000 lbs and not 5,000. I am not sure what to believe, but, I think
that I will be OK in any case.

Since a basic series 1 weighs over 2,000#, I find it very difficult to
believe the much larger series 2 plus CNC controls and servos weighs
anywhere near 3,000#. 5,000# may be a bit over, but I wouldn't be at all
surprised if it weighs 4,500#+.

Like I said, bring a camera for before pictures to show the mill
properly secured, and any after pictures...

I will indeed do so.

i

All I can say is that I'd be a lot more comfortable with a dual axle
8.5' wide rental equipment trailer.

Whether or not you are driving at 40 in a 45 minimum, if you look like
an overloaded, unsafe trailer, you will be treated like an overloaded,
unsafe trailer - when they get the cop with the scales in and if they
find you are actually overweight, expect the book to be thrown at you.

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by

Ecnerwal wrote:

Whether or not you are driving at 40 in a 45 minimum, if you look like
an overloaded, unsafe trailer, you will be treated like an overloaded,
unsafe trailer - when they get the cop with the scales in and if they
find you are actually overweight, expect the book to be thrown at you.

Except for the fact that there is no "weight book" for non-commercial
vehicles...

On 2010-02-26, Pete C. wrote:

Ecnerwal wrote:

Whether or not you are driving at 40 in a 45 minimum, if you look like
an overloaded, unsafe trailer, you will be treated like an overloaded,
unsafe trailer - when they get the cop with the scales in and if they
find you are actually overweight, expect the book to be thrown at you.

Except for the fact that there is no "weight book" for non-commercial
vehicles...

I have never seen any mexicans with their overloaded trucks and
trailers, stopped.

i

In article .com,
"Pete C." wrote:

Ecnerwal wrote:

Whether or not you are driving at 40 in a 45 minimum, if you look like
an overloaded, unsafe trailer, you will be treated like an overloaded,
unsafe trailer - when they get the cop with the scales in and if they
find you are actually overweight, expect the book to be thrown at you.

Except for the fact that there is no "weight book" for non-commercial
vehicles...

As it happens, there often is. Illinois is one of many states where
trailers have a registration fee that varies by weight. Commercial or
not is not a consideration. It's certainly quite common for
non-commercial trailers to have a registered weight, and to be in
violation if exceeding that registered weight.

Exceeding the GVWR and GCWR is pretty much a violation anywhere - if
nothing else it's easily parked under "driving to endanger" because the
braking systems are not adequate to the load. Who and what actually gets
stopped varies with the cop and the level of revenue enhancment in
effect. The latter has been quite high the past year, as towns and state
departments try to milk the "alternate tax stream" of fines.

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by

Ignoramus27062 wrote:
On 2010-02-26, Pete C. wrote:

Ecnerwal wrote:

Whether or not you are driving at 40 in a 45 minimum, if you look
like an overloaded, unsafe trailer, you will be treated like an
overloaded, unsafe trailer - when they get the cop with the scales
in and if they find you are actually overweight, expect the book to
be thrown at you.

Except for the fact that there is no "weight book" for non-commercial
vehicles...

I have never seen any mexicans with their overloaded trucks and
trailers, stopped.

Of course not, that would be racist.

Jon

Ignoramus27062 wrote:

On 2010-02-26, Pete C. wrote:
Tires that are rated for, say, 3,000 lbs do not magically burst at
3,001 lbs load.

No, but a high COG load on a curve or turn applies substantially more or
the weight to the outside tire vs. the static loading. If you're loaded
up with 3,000# static load, it would not be at all unlikely for that
outside tire to see 5,000# or load on a modest turn.

This depends severely on how sharp (speed vs. radius) is the turn,
which is something under my control.

Most tires go flat slowly.

I doubt a weight rating on a tire is based on only straight and level travel. I wonder
what a pothole feels like to the tire loaded to 3000#?

I would not use age cracked tires, I'd stop to feel wheel bearings, and I'd plan a route
that had no challenging terrain to traverse.

Wes

On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:14:53 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:


Ecnerwal wrote:

Whether or not you are driving at 40 in a 45 minimum, if you look like
an overloaded, unsafe trailer, you will be treated like an overloaded,
unsafe trailer - when they get the cop with the scales in and if they
find you are actually overweight, expect the book to be thrown at you.

Except for the fact that there is no "weight book" for non-commercial
vehicles...
Yes their is. The max GVW of the vehicle.

wrote:

On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:14:53 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:


Ecnerwal wrote:

Whether or not you are driving at 40 in a 45 minimum, if you look like
an overloaded, unsafe trailer, you will be treated like an overloaded,
unsafe trailer - when they get the cop with the scales in and if they
find you are actually overweight, expect the book to be thrown at you.

Except for the fact that there is no "weight book" for non-commercial
vehicles...
Yes their is. The max GVW of the vehicle.

Not in the US. The ratings label on a non commercial vehicle has no
legal standing, it is a manufacturer's performance / longevity
recommendation only.

Steve Ackman wrote:

In , on Fri, 26 Feb
2010 18:15:05 -0500, Wes, wrote:

Most tires go flat slowly.

Trailer tires don't seem to follow that rule as often
as auto tires. This one sure didn't:
http://wizard.dyndns.org/shiprock/0910/100_0935.s.jpg

Back when I had just got home for good from the Marines, a guy just down the road was
looking for a follow me driver. He delivered mobile homes. The job interview existed of,
how many points do you have on your license. He ended up finding a relative to do the job
instead of me. I wasn't all that disappointed.


As to the picture, I'd like to know the facts leading up to the blow out.

Wes

Steve Ackman wrote:

In , on Sat, 27 Feb
2010 07:00:07 -0500, Wes, wrote:
Steve Ackman wrote:

http://wizard.dyndns.org/shiprock/0910/100_0935.s.jpg

He delivered mobile homes.

I think mobile home tires are even more "fragile"
than most trailer tires. Many of them are imprinted
with something to the effect of "One time use only."
I saw one pop going over a flush-with-ground tree
stump. Saw another come off the rim as the home was
being positioned on a slab.

If you ever looked at a mobile home hauler, they have at least 6 spare tires on board.


As to the picture, I'd like to know the facts leading up to the blow out.

The trailer (GVWR-6000 lbs.) was purchased new
Sept '08, with OEM tires:
Duro F78-14ST -- ST205/75D14 with manuf. date of 2706.
Load rating of 1760 lbs. @ 50 psi.

Greased bearings and aired to ~52 psig @5000' above
sea level. Drove ~2500 miles to destination, checking
tire/wheel temperature by hand a couple times a day.
(Same trip that we were cop-stopped in Illinois that
generated a fairly long thread)

I took a trailer into Illinois once. That is an expensive state to cross.


It was on the return trip. Tire pressure checked
fine before we left. Still checking tire/wheel
temperature by touch at least daily, so no bearing or
brake problems.

This would have been on I-40, speed limit 75mph
IIRC, and I was doing about 65mph (I hardly ever
exceed 65 with trailer, no matter what the limit):

"18 Oct - Shredded tire

Somewhere in OK... maybe around Henrietta, a guy went whizzing past us
only to turn around in his seat and make rotational gestures with his
hand. Well, that can't be good. There does seem to be a vague, barely
audible, flapping noise. Guess we ought to slow down til we get to the
next off-ramp."

It was mid-morning, so we hadn't put many miles
on the day yet. Total wear on tires - ~6500 miles
that we'd put on, added to whatever the delivery to
dealer was.

So was it an internal failure or an external puncture? From the weight ratings on tires it
obviously was a tandem axle rig.

Wes




--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

On 2010-02-27, Wes wrote:

I took a trailer into Illinois once. That is an expensive state to cross.


Wes, I hope that I did not forget if you mentioned it already, but
what happened?

Ignoramus19261 wrote:

On 2010-02-27, Wes wrote:

I took a trailer into Illinois once. That is an expensive state to cross.


Wes, I hope that I did not forget if you mentioned it already, but
what happened?

Your toll fees for a pickup with a trailer are excessive. Nothing other than wallet
lightening.

Wes

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:01:08 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:14:53 -0600, "Pete C."
wrote:
Ecnerwal wrote:

Whether or not you are driving at 40 in a 45 minimum, if you look like
an overloaded, unsafe trailer, you will be treated like an overloaded,
unsafe trailer - when they get the cop with the scales in and if they
find you are actually overweight, expect the book to be thrown at you.

Except for the fact that there is no "weight book" for non-commercial
vehicles...
Yes their is. The max GVW of the vehicle.

And the tires - that load rating is NOT a "recommendation".

Not in the US. The ratings label on a non commercial vehicle has no
legal standing, it is a manufacturer's performance / longevity
recommendation only.

I believe they changed that - Toyota was tired of getting burned
when Motorhome builders flaunted the law by "Re-Rating" the chassis by
adding overload springs and funky Siamese dual wheels to a
semi-floating axle that couldn't take the extra load.

And/Or the Motorhome builders added a Tag Axle on air springs to
carry part of the load, allowing them to stretch the heck out of the
chassis - and the owners never checked the pressure in the airbags,
rendering it inert and throwing even more weight on the drive axle.

Oh, and no brakes on the tag axles, either.

Then Toyota was left to pick up the pieces when the axles broke
under warranty - they shipped a lot of "Free" crated full-floater axle
kits for dealer retrofit (with a set of dual rims, tires not included)
and that couldn't have been cheap.

Toyota stopped selling Cab Chassis "Incomplete Vehicles" in the US
for many years till that law was modified. AIUI, Now if the final
manufacturer re-rates it, they are totally responsible for it,
warranty and legal liability.

Been there, Done that, checked the air on those tag axles weekly
like a religion.

Dad lost the left rear tires on the 84 or 86 Dolphin Motorhome when
the axle shaft snapped just outboard of the bearings, and those tires
(still bolted to the brake drum) ripped the hell out of the holding
tanks and the bathroom floor on their way out the back wall... Then
it dropped him on the freeway still going about 45 - fast stop.

We had to get a trailer hitch on the Cressida, rent a box trailer,
and go pick up all the contents while the motorhome was in the shop.
For almost two months - after they installed the new axle in Barstow,
we had to literally duct-tape the body together and limp it to the
Dolphin factory in Perris.

-- Bruce --

Wes wrote:

Steve Ackman wrote:

In , on Sat, 27 Feb
2010 07:00:07 -0500, Wes, wrote:
Steve Ackman wrote:

http://wizard.dyndns.org/shiprock/0910/100_0935.s.jpg

He delivered mobile homes.

I think mobile home tires are even more "fragile"
than most trailer tires. Many of them are imprinted
with something to the effect of "One time use only."
I saw one pop going over a flush-with-ground tree
stump. Saw another come off the rim as the home was
being positioned on a slab.

If you ever looked at a mobile home hauler, they have at least 6 spare tires on board.


Some even carry a spare axle or two.


--
Greed is the root of all eBay.

Front tire? That edge wear looks like a couple of
my tires, which were destroyed due to toe-out.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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..


"Steve Ackman"
wrote in
message
rg...

So was it an internal failure or an external
puncture?

Dunno *for sure* but I certainly suspect
internal
failure. This angle is proabably the one I should
have
posted first:
http://wizard.dyndns.org/shiprock/0910/100_0937.s.jpg

--
~¯~¯

That is one serious tire failure.

--
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Learn more about Jesus
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"Steve Ackman"
wrote in
message
rg...
In
,
on Fri, 26 Feb
2010 18:15:05 -0500, Wes, wrote:

Most tires go flat slowly.

Trailer tires don't seem to follow that rule as
often
as auto tires. This one sure didn't:
http://wizard.dyndns.org/shiprock/0910/100_0935.s.jpg

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