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OT- IPCC chief conflict of interest
NEW DELHI: The climate is changing on climate change. And IPCC chief R K
Pachauri is feeling the heat. The latest dent to claims that the Himalayan glaciers will melt by 2035 has clearly ruffled the climate man. But while his credibility and that of the IPCC has taken a battering, Pachauri maintains his chutzpah in the face of growing skepticism, arguing that his acceptance that the research on glaciers had been dodgy had actually somehow enhanced the credibility of the body. But the IPCC chief seems to be feeling some unease, particularly as he has even had to recently defend himself against attacks on his own integrity, with the British press accusing him of using his position to help companies he was associated with, pointing to a clear conflict of interest. Facing a barrage of questions from the media about his `loss of credibility', Pachauri maintained that all ``rational people'' would continue to repose their faith in IPCC and its findings. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...ow/5493066.cms Best Regards Tom. |
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OT The Pen: A Supreme Act Of Judicial Treason Against The People Of The United States, And What We Can And Must Do About It.
Because of the gravity of the crime against the Constitution
committed by a gang of 5 right wing judicial outlaws on our Supreme Court yesterday, we are launching two critical action pages at once Action Page: Corporations Are NOT The People http://www.peaceteam.net/action/pnum1029.php Action Page: Impeach The Supreme Court 5 http://www.peaceteam.net/action/pnum1030.php By any fair legal definition, the decision yesterday by The Supreme Court 5 constitutes nothing less than an act of TREASON against the people of the United States. Having read and analyzed the entire 183 page decision and all of its concurring and dissenting opinions ourselves, we are fully prepared to support this accusatory conclusion. Having so grossly abused its jurisdiction by presuming to decide a question expressly WAIVED by the petitioner in the Court below (p 12), this rogue Supreme Court ruled for the FIRST time that NO corporation can be constrained from unlimited influence over our elections. And even assuming that the Court intended the decision to only apply to American corporations, the Court expressly DECLINED (pp 46-47) to reach the question of whether foreign ownership stakes in American corporations should likewise be given carte blanche to put their thumbs on the scales of our democracy. Thus, until Congress FURTHER acts (and it must, though it could not have escaped the attention of The Supreme Court 5 that the current Republican minority has vowed to obstruct ANYTHING of consequence that Congress might try to pass), there is now nothing to constrain foreign nationals, even our most sworn enemies, from usurping what even the most die hard Tea Bagger takes as an article of faith, that the rights of citizenship of this country are ONLY for Americans. This must be construed, within the four corners of our Constitution, as deliberately and knowingly exposing the United States of America to harm in the interim, by giving "aid and comfort" to our enemies (Constitution Article 3, section 3), should our enemies now wish to take advantage of this unprecedented and rash decision. In simple Constitutional terms . . . treason!! The fact is that we now live in a world of giant transnational corporations, with allegiance to NO sovereign government, let alone our own, sworn only to exploit the most vulnerable and desperate workers they can find in any country of the world. How does The Supreme Court 5 propose parsing which of these extra-national legal artificialities should be allowed to corrupt our democratic election process? Apparently in their minds, all of them. Action Page: Corporations Are NOT The People http://www.peaceteam.net/action/pnum1029.php So what is it that we can and MUST do? The first and most prominent proposal we heard yesterday, and which we of course support, was to amend the Constitution to clarify that corporations have no such rights as people (which is to say U.S. citizens). While this certainly could not hurt, and would obviously help (assuming such a proposed amendment could garner 67 votes in a Senate already stalemated by obstructionism, let alone be ratified by 3/4 of the states, including many "red" ones), what we must first assert is that there is nothing WRONG with our Constitution, and demand that Congress do whatever it can to protect it. Action Page: Impeach The Supreme Court 5 http://www.peaceteam.net/action/pnum1030.php Because just as importantly, we are on ominous and clear notice that there is no further outrage these 5 gangsters in black robes are not gleefully and arrogantly capable of. Indeed, in his dissenting opinion (that the majority did not go far ENOUGH), Clarence Thomas characterized the decision as only a "first step" (Thomas opinion p. 1). It is worth noting that the authorship of the majority opinion is claimed by Anthony M. Kennedy, heretofore generally considered the LEAST wing nutty of the 5. Therefore, the immediate and unavoidably necessary recourse must be impeachment for all five, treason already being a high crime, otherwise the horrors yet to issue from their treacherous minds is too terrible to contemplate. NEW FOUR COLOR BUMPER STICKERS We will have much more to say on all this in subsequent alerts to follow shortly, but for now we are making available for no charge (not even shipping) your choice of one of two absolutely gorgeous full 4 color process bumper stickers. Take a "Corporations Are NOT The People" bumper sticker, OR a "Impeach The Supreme Court 5" bumper sticker for free. Of course if you can make a contribution (or if you want both), please DO contribute what you can, which is what allows us to send these out for free to anyone who cannot make a donation right now. You can request your bumper sticker from the return page after you submit either of the action pages above. Or you can do directly to this page and get them there. Bumper Stickers for no charge: http://www.peaceteam.net/bumper_stickers.php Facebook participants can also submit the action pages at Corporations Are Not The People: http://apps.facebook.com/fb_voices/a...?qnum=pnum1029 Impeach The Supreme Court 5: http://apps.facebook.com/fb_voices/a...?qnum=pnum1030 And on Twitter, just send the following Twitter reply for the Corporations Are Not The People action @cxs #p1029 And this Twitter reply for the Impeach The Supreme Court 5 action @cxs #p1030 Please take action NOW, so we can win all victories that are supposed to be ours, and forward this alert as widely as possible. 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OT The Pen: A Supreme Act Of Judicial Treason Against The People Of The United States, And What We Can And Must Do About It.
"William Wixon" wrote in message ... Because of the gravity of the crime against the Constitution committed by a gang of 5 right wing judicial outlaws on our Supreme Court yesterday, we are launching two critical action pages at once Action Page: Corporations Are NOT The People http://www.peaceteam.net/action/pnum1029.php Action Page: Impeach The Supreme Court 5 http://www.peaceteam.net/action/pnum1030.php By any fair legal definition, the decision yesterday by The Supreme Court 5 constitutes nothing less than an act of TREASON against the people of the United States. Having read and analyzed the entire 183 page decision and all of its concurring and dissenting opinions ourselves, we are fully prepared to support this accusatory conclusion. yawn Are you kidding, William? Why don't you convict John Adams for treason in absentia? g I think it was an unfortunate decision, but I'm not going to comment on it until I read the case and the dissent. Maybe tomorrow. But forget the treason, and make sure you know the precedent and reasoning behind the ruling. I'm sympathetic to your thoughts but this is a legal case involving a lot of precedent, and you may not like the consequences if you ignore it. -- Ed Huntress |
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OT The Pen: A Supreme Act Of Judicial Treason Against The People Of The United States, And What We Can And Must Do About It.
In article , "William Wixon" wrote:
Because of the gravity of the crime against the Constitution committed by a gang of 5 right wing judicial outlaws on our Supreme Court yesterday, we are launching two critical action pages at once Action Page: Corporations Are NOT The People http://www.peaceteam.net/action/pnum1029.php Action Page: Impeach The Supreme Court 5 http://www.peaceteam.net/action/pnum1030.php By any fair legal definition, the decision yesterday by The Supreme Court 5 constitutes nothing less than an act of TREASON against the people of the United States. Having read and analyzed the entire 183 page decision and all of its concurring and dissenting opinions ourselves, we are fully prepared to support this accusatory conclusion. Too bad the nutjob that wrote this didn't bother to read the Constitution, too, which sets forth an explicit, and quite narrow, definition of treason -- which this decision clearly does not even come close to meeting. Having so grossly abused its jurisdiction by presuming to decide a question expressly WAIVED by the petitioner in the Court below (p 12), this rogue Supreme Court ruled for the FIRST time that NO corporation can be constrained from unlimited influence over our elections. Again, it's clear that the nutjob who wrote this hasn't read Bill of Rights either. What part of "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press" is unclear? [remaining lunatic diatribe snipped] |
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OT The Pen: A Supreme Act Of Judicial Treason Against The People Of The United States, And What We Can And Must Do About It.
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 02:51:05 -0500, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: snip I think it was an unfortunate decision, but I'm not going to comment on it until I read the case and the dissent. snip ========== While there are some "free speech" issues involved, everyone keeps "toe dancing" around what I consider to be a central and critical concern, i.e. "corporate governance." It should be noted that it is *NOT* the corporation's money that will be spent on political activity but the stockholders. This is simply a continuation and expansion of the on-going practice of "skimming" corporate profits/assets for the benefit of the directors and officers at the expense of the owners [stockholders]. Unka George (George McDuffee) ............................... The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author. The Go-Between, Prologue (1953). |
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OT The Pen: A Supreme Act Of Judicial Treason Against The People Of The United States, And What We Can And Must Do About It.
"Ed Huntress" wrote:
yawn Are you kidding, William? Why don't you convict John Adams for treason in absentia? g I think it was an unfortunate decision, but I'm not going to comment on it until I read the case and the dissent. Maybe tomorrow. But forget the treason, and make sure you know the precedent and reasoning behind the ruling. I'm sympathetic to your thoughts but this is a legal case involving a lot of precedent, and you may not like the consequences if you ignore it. I tried to read it but my head started melting. Must be the head cold Anyway, am I understanding that groups like unions, NRA, Bradybunch, and other 'corporations' are able to avocate for or against a candidate for office w/o the time limit cutoff prior to an election? Some may object to my inclusion of unions with corporations but I don't see much difference between the NRA that is incorporated and a labor union. Wes |
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OT The Pen: A Supreme Act Of Judicial Treason Against The People Of The United States, And What We Can And Must Do About It.
"Wes" wrote in message ... "Ed Huntress" wrote: yawn Are you kidding, William? Why don't you convict John Adams for treason in absentia? g I think it was an unfortunate decision, but I'm not going to comment on it until I read the case and the dissent. Maybe tomorrow. But forget the treason, and make sure you know the precedent and reasoning behind the ruling. I'm sympathetic to your thoughts but this is a legal case involving a lot of precedent, and you may not like the consequences if you ignore it. I tried to read it but my head started melting. Must be the head cold Anyway, am I understanding that groups like unions, NRA, Bradybunch, and other 'corporations' are able to avocate for or against a candidate for office w/o the time limit cutoff prior to an election? Without having read it yet (after lunch), that's my understanding from the reports. Some may object to my inclusion of unions with corporations but I don't see much difference between the NRA that is incorporated and a labor union. Wes On the face of it, NRA, the ACLU, and other organizations that are formed at least partly for the PURPOSE of advocacy are, to me, a pretty clear case. Labor unions are more or less in that category. It's difficult to argue that their advocacy contradicts the intent of their members. Corporations formed for a business purpose are a little different. As George says, they're using shareholder money for a purpose that the shareholders may not agree with. As it is, though, shareholders have little recourse but to sell their stock -- but their purpose in buying the stock may be undermined if they sell it under such duress. Speculating mode off. I'll read it after I finish my pork chop. g -- Ed Huntress |
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OT The Pen: A Supreme Act Of Judicial Treason Against The PeopleOf The United States, And What We Can And Must Do About It.
On Jan 24, 2:51*am, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"William Wixon" wrote in message ... Because of the gravity of the crime against the Constitution committed by a gang of 5 right wing judicial outlaws on our Supreme Court yesterday, we are launching two critical action pages at once Action Page: Corporations Are NOT The People http://www.peaceteam.net/action/pnum1029.php Action Page: Impeach The Supreme Court 5 http://www.peaceteam.net/action/pnum1030.php By any fair legal definition, the decision yesterday by The Supreme Court 5 constitutes nothing less than an act of TREASON against the people of the United States. Having read and analyzed the entire 183 page decision and all of its concurring and dissenting opinions ourselves, we are fully prepared to support this accusatory conclusion. yawn Are you kidding, William? Why don't you convict John Adams for treason in absentia? g I think it was an unfortunate decision, but I'm not going to comment on it until I read the case and the dissent. Maybe tomorrow. But forget the treason, and make sure you know the precedent and reasoning behind the ruling. I'm sympathetic to your thoughts but this is a legal case involving a lot of precedent, and you may not like the consequences if you ignore it. |
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OT The Pen: A Supreme Act Of Judicial Treason Against The People Of The United States, And What We Can And Must Do About It.
rangerssuck wrote:
While you're reading it, make sure that you remember that it's a damned lucky thing that we don't have a supreme court full of activist judges who legislate from the bench ;-) You mean like the ones that overturned Plessy v. Ferguson? Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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OT The Pen: A Supreme Act Of Judicial Treason Against The People Of The United States, And What We Can And Must Do About It.
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:49:57 -0500, Wes wrote:
While you're reading it, make sure that you remember that it's a damned lucky thing that we don't have a supreme court full of activist judges who legislate from the bench ;-) You mean like the ones that overturned Plessy v. Ferguson? Wes =========== Plessy v Ferguson was largely overturned by the rednecks. It provided for schooling that was *seperate BUT EQUAL.* Billy Bob Fuddpucker and his cousins were intelectually capable of understanding one word but not three. In no school district was segregated schooling even remotely equal. A contributing factor was that many, possibly all, of the states attempting to maintain segrigated school systems could not afford to maintain even one functional educational system, let alone two. One point of irony is that the case that oveturned Plessy was Brown v Board of Education [Topeka, Kansas], which was in a "free state," rather than a "deep south" school district. Kansas was a flash point leading up to the American Civil War, e.g. John Brown, Quantrill & the bushwhackers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantrill%27s_Raiders http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/peop.../quantrill.htm In the last analysis "Plessey v Furgeson" committed suicide and the Warren court just administered the "last rites" in 1954 with "Brown v Board of Education" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v...d_of_Education IMNSHO Earl Warren has much to answer for, but Brown v Board of Education isn't included. Unka George (George McDuffee) ............................... The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author. The Go-Between, Prologue (1953). |
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OT The Pen: A Supreme Act Of Judicial Treason Against The People Of The United States, And What We Can And Must Do About It.
F. George McDuffee wrote:
In the last analysis "Plessey v Furgeson" committed suicide and the Warren court just administered the "last rites" in 1954 with "Brown v Board of Education" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v...d_of_Education IMNSHO Earl Warren has much to answer for, but Brown v Board of Education isn't included. George, my point is sometimes the court fixes mistakes. Brown v BOE was a correction that I fully support. I was responding to Rangersucks comment on activist judges. Wes -- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller |
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OT The Pen: A Supreme Act Of Judicial Treason Against The People Of The United States, And What We Can And Must Do About It.
"Wes" wrote in message ... rangerssuck wrote: While you're reading it, make sure that you remember that it's a damned lucky thing that we don't have a supreme court full of activist judges who legislate from the bench ;-) Jeez, 183 pages. That wrecked my entire afternoon and half of the evening. g Ranger is right, this is a highly activist decision. The giveaway is that Citizens United explicitly stated in their defense that they were not making a facial challenge, but Kennedy (I'll bet it really was Scalia) decided the Court would decide a facial challenge on Constitutional grounds anyway. His argument for doing so is as transparently casuistic as the Court gets, and Stevens in the dissent properly calls him on it, with appropriate sarcasm. g As for the decision itself, it's a case of cherry-picking precedent to support a decision that was obviously made before the case was heard. It's highly ideological. Several legal commentators have said that the Court ignored some important points in the precedential cases; I'll have to let that one go, because I'm not familiar with the key cases cited and I'm sure not going to read them now. But the comments make it clear that the Court was looking for bits and pieces that it favored before the fact. Both Kennedy and Scalia like to make grand gestures, and their landmark cases share another characteristic: When they're overturning precedent, they go at it with the hammers of hell. Kennedy shot from all 360 degrees of the circle, as Scalia had in the Heller case, and he has, like Scalia did, come up with some questionable logic as a result. For example, Kennedy's objection to limits on corporate political speech, aside from the legalisms, is that there is little evidence that it does any good. Yet he uses the contrary argument to dispute the Austin ruling, that "experience has undermined" it. In fact, there has been no such experience any stronger than that in favor of limits, nor did Kennedy cite any. It used to be rare for a Court to try that approach because the Justices realized they could only support an argument from a limited number of positions. In this case, Kennedy stepped on several procedural problems that Stevens identifies in the dissent. The bottom line is that this was an ideology-driven decision, unnecessarily broad in its scope, which is going to invite attacks from future courts. The Court tried to sew it up so Congress would have no targets to shoot at; they may have succeeded. That doesn't mean the Court was right, only that they've already pre-decided several things that Congress might use as angles in on the central issue. It's pretty rare that the dissent is almost as long as the majority decision, and even rarer that it's a better argument. But that's the case this time. Stevens' dissent was better argued than Kennedy's argument for the majority. John McCain summed it up well today. Borrowing from LBJ, he said he respected the Court's decision, but he'd feel better about it if at least one of them had run at some time in their lives for County Sheriff. You mean like the ones that overturned Plessy v. Ferguson? No comparison. If you want to know why, we can take it up at another time, but the essence is that a key point relied upon in Citizens United -- that they claim there is no evidence of quid pro quo voting by members of Congress -- is exactly the opposite of the same ruling point in Plessy, which documented the fact that separate was not equal, in that it virtually always resulted in different inputs and outcomes. So the Plessy rule failed to meed the requirement of the 14th Amendment on the basis of evidence alone. Plessy was a bad ruling NOT because it violated the Constitution, but because it made an incorrect and speculative judgment that turned out to be wrong. Brown v. Board of Education was decided after decades of such evidence had accrued. -- Ed Huntress |
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OT The Pen: A Supreme Act Of Judicial Treason Against The People Of The United States, And What We Can And Must Do About It.
"Wes" wrote in message ... F. George McDuffee wrote: In the last analysis "Plessey v Furgeson" committed suicide and the Warren court just administered the "last rites" in 1954 with "Brown v Board of Education" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v...d_of_Education IMNSHO Earl Warren has much to answer for, but Brown v Board of Education isn't included. George, my point is sometimes the court fixes mistakes. Brown v BOE was a correction that I fully support. I was responding to Rangersucks comment on activist judges. Wes Everybody has their idea of what constitutes "activism," but the Court in Brown was just upholding an explicit point in the 14th Amendment, which the Plessy decision tried to do (in a half-hearted way), but failed. I don't know anyone who would call that "activist." -- Ed Huntress |
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OT The Pen: A Supreme Act Of Judicial Treason Against The People Of The United States, And What We Can And Must Do About It.
"Ed Huntress" wrote in message ... "Wes" wrote in message ... You mean like the ones that overturned Plessy v. Ferguson? No comparison. If you want to know why, we can take it up at another time, but the essence is that a key point relied upon in Citizens United -- that they claim there is no evidence of quid pro quo voting by members of Congress -- is exactly the opposite of the same ruling point in Plessy, which documented the fact that separate was not equal, in that it virtually always resulted in different inputs and outcomes. So the Plessy rule failed to meed the requirement of the 14th Amendment on the basis of evidence alone. Sorry. I meant that Brown v. Board of Education documented the fact that separate was not equal, overturning Plessy. -- Ed Huntress |
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OT The Pen: A Supreme Act Of Judicial Treason Against The PeopleOf The United States, And What We Can And Must Do About It.
On Jan 24, 8:08*pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"Wes" wrote in message ... rangerssuck wrote: While you're reading it, make sure that you remember that it's a damned lucky thing that we don't have a supreme court full of activist judges who legislate from the bench ;-) Jeez, 183 pages. That wrecked my entire afternoon and half of the evening.. g Ranger is right, this is a highly activist decision. The giveaway is that Citizens United explicitly stated in their defense that they were not making a facial challenge, but Kennedy (I'll bet it really was Scalia) decided the Court would decide a facial challenge on Constitutional grounds anyway. His argument for doing so is as transparently casuistic as the Court gets, and Stevens in the dissent properly calls him on it, with appropriate sarcasm.. g [lots of good stuff snipped for brevity (I've been doing this since 110 baud teletypes)] The bottom line is that this was an ideology-driven decision, unnecessarily broad in its scope, which is going to invite attacks from future courts. The Court tried to sew it up so Congress would have no targets to shoot at; they may have succeeded. That doesn't mean the Court was right, only that they've already pre-decided several things that Congress might use as angles in on the central issue. And which future court would you expect to be attacking this decision? The one appointed by a President bought by Exxon-Mobile and consented to by the Senators bought by United Healthcare? |
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OT The Pen: A Supreme Act Of Judicial Treason Against The People Of The United States, And What We Can And Must Do About It.
"rangerssuck" wrote in message ... On Jan 24, 8:08 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Wes" wrote in message ... rangerssuck wrote: While you're reading it, make sure that you remember that it's a damned lucky thing that we don't have a supreme court full of activist judges who legislate from the bench ;-) Jeez, 183 pages. That wrecked my entire afternoon and half of the evening. g Ranger is right, this is a highly activist decision. The giveaway is that Citizens United explicitly stated in their defense that they were not making a facial challenge, but Kennedy (I'll bet it really was Scalia) decided the Court would decide a facial challenge on Constitutional grounds anyway. His argument for doing so is as transparently casuistic as the Court gets, and Stevens in the dissent properly calls him on it, with appropriate sarcasm. g [lots of good stuff snipped for brevity (I've been doing this since 110 baud teletypes)] The bottom line is that this was an ideology-driven decision, unnecessarily broad in its scope, which is going to invite attacks from future courts. The Court tried to sew it up so Congress would have no targets to shoot at; they may have succeeded. That doesn't mean the Court was right, only that they've already pre-decided several things that Congress might use as angles in on the central issue. And which future court would you expect to be attacking this decision? The one appointed by a President bought by Exxon-Mobile and consented to by the Senators bought by United Healthcare? g You never know what a future Supreme Court will decide. They're always full of surprises. -- Ed Huntress |
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