The story sounds a little incongruous, but still interesting.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2...-suspects.html

i

On Dec 28, 7:44*am, Ignoramus4115
wrote:
The story sounds a little incongruous, but still interesting.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2...eowner-shoots-...

i


Everyone who shoots a thug is a Hero.

On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 06:44:09 -0600, Ignoramus4115
wrote:

The story sounds a little incongruous, but still interesting.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2...-suspects.html

i
It happens with great regularlity.

http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/2009/12/

http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/2009/11/

etc etc...

Be sure to hit More at the bottom of each page.


Gunner

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766

On 2009-12-28, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 06:44:09 -0600, Ignoramus4115
wrote:

The story sounds a little incongruous, but still interesting.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2...-suspects.html

i
It happens with great regularlity.

http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/2009/12/

http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/2009/11/

etc etc...

What I found odd, in the story that I cited, is this:

``A press release from police said the shooting happened at about 5:47
p.m. Saturday, with the masked men forcing their way into a house in
the Country Ridge subdivision, then engaging in "repeated demands and
physical altercations." The pair refused to leave, according to police
and one of the homeowners shot them.''

It just does not sound like a garden variety home invasion.

i

Be sure to hit More at the bottom of each page.


Gunner

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766

On Dec 28, 11:39*am, Ignoramus4115
wrote:
...
What I found odd, in the story that I cited, is this:

``A press release from police said the shooting happened at about 5:47
p.m. Saturday, with the masked men forcing their way into a house in
the Country Ridge subdivision, then engaging in "repeated demands and
physical altercations." The pair refused to leave, according to police
and one of the homeowners shot them.''

It just does not sound like a garden variety home invasion.

i

Maybe he had revealed his gun collection on the Internet.

Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Dec 28, 11:39?am, Ignoramus4115
wrote:
...
What I found odd, in the story that I cited, is this:

``A press release from police said the shooting happened at about 5:47
p.m. Saturday, with the masked men forcing their way into a house in
the Country Ridge subdivision, then engaging in "repeated demands and
physical altercations." The pair refused to leave, according to police
and one of the homeowners shot them.''

It just does not sound like a garden variety home invasion.

i

Maybe he had revealed his gun collection on the Internet.

Or the $1000 cash in his pockets at all times.

On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:39:36 -0600, the infamous Ignoramus4115
scrawled the following:

On 2009-12-28, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 06:44:09 -0600, Ignoramus4115
wrote:

The story sounds a little incongruous, but still interesting.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2...-suspects.html

i
It happens with great regularlity.

http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/2009/12/

http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/2009/11/

etc etc...

What I found odd, in the story that I cited, is this:

``A press release from police said the shooting happened at about 5:47
p.m. Saturday, with the masked men forcing their way into a house in
the Country Ridge subdivision, then engaging in "repeated demands and
physical altercations." The pair refused to leave, according to police
and one of the homeowners shot them.''

It just does not sound like a garden variety home invasion.

If they didn't have masks on, I might think it was a drug deal gone
bad. The masks clinch it for me: they weren't supposed to be there and
got what they deserved. Why he left them alive (to sue him) I'll
never know.

--
"I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things
that money can buy." --Tom Clancy

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...

If they didn't have masks on, I might think it was a drug deal gone
bad. The masks clinch it for me: they weren't supposed to be there and
got what they deserved. Why he left them alive (to sue him) I'll
never know.

(720 ILCS 5/Art. 7 heading)
ARTICLE 7. JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE; EXONERATION


(720 ILCS 5/7-1) (from Ch. 38, par. 7-1)
Sec. 7-1. Use of force in defense of person.
(a) A person is justified in the use of force against another when and
to the extent that he reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to
defend himself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful
force. However, he is justified in the use of force which is intended or
likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he reasonably believes
that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm
to himself or another, or the commission of a forcible felony.
(b) In no case shall any act involving the use of force justified under
this Section give rise to any claim or liability brought by or on behalf of
any person acting within the definition of "aggressor" set forth in Section
7-4 of this Article, or the estate, spouse, or other family member of such a
person, against the person or estate of the person using such justified
force, unless the use of force involves willful or wanton misconduct.
(Source: P.A. 93-832, eff. 7-28-04.)

Larry Jaques wrote:

If they didn't have masks on, I might think it was a drug deal gone
bad. The masks clinch it for me: they weren't supposed to be there and
got what they deserved. Why he left them alive (to sue him) I'll
never know.

More range time is indicated

"RBnDFW" wrote in message
...
Larry Jaques wrote:

If they didn't have masks on, I might think it was a drug deal gone
bad. The masks clinch it for me: they weren't supposed to be there and
got what they deserved. Why he left them alive (to sue him) I'll
never know.

More range time is indicated

Forensics these days are incredible. Fatal wounds would have been analyzed,
and from blood trails and such, an intentional finishing shot may be very
easy to prove.

The guys made a mistake and they are paying for it dearly. No sense to kill
an innocent (but stupid) person.

Steve

Ignoramus4115 wrote:

What I found odd, in the story that I cited, is this:

``A press release from police said the shooting happened at about 5:47
p.m. Saturday, with the masked men forcing their way into a house in
the Country Ridge subdivision, then engaging in "repeated demands and
physical altercations." The pair refused to leave, according to police
and one of the homeowners shot them.''

It just does not sound like a garden variety home invasion.

Right after forcing in, should I have still have the capability, there would be strangers
with multiple holes in them. Could just be bad writing.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

Right after forcing in, should I have still have the capability, there
would be strangers
with multiple holes in them. Could just be bad writing.

Wes

There was an interesting home invasion where I lived in LV probably 20 years
ago. Two thugs start breaking down the door. Daughter panics and runs into
the bedroom closet. Thugs come in and beat Dad. Duct tape him and throw
him in the SAME bedroom closet, not knowing daughter is in there. They're
ransacking the house. Daughter unties Dad, Dad gets 44 Mag. (not joking)
which was luckily in same closet, and blows one of the perps away instantly,
and seriously wounds the second one who goes to prison.

Sometimes it all doesn't go ABC. I have a .357 on top a étagère in my
living room about ten feet from the front door. Hidden by the top crown
molding. In a bad situation, it would take me some time to get it out and
fire. I keep it up there because we have kids in the house at times. Glass
shelves, so they could not climb up there. I'd like to make some type of
box where it would be instantly handy right beside the door. I have seen
picture frames with hidden compartments, and such things.

Point is, one doesn't always have time or warning to get the gun quickly.
And definitely, I would not use a "small caliber gun" for protection. Must
been just what he had.

We have had recent robberies and burglaries in our neighborhood, which is a
town of 1200. Some of these are "hot prowls" where perps are going through
the house with people in them. It's not paranoia if they are really out to
get you, and it happens every day.

Steve

"Ignoramus4115" wrote in message
...
The story sounds a little incongruous, but still interesting.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2...-suspects.html



Dec 28, 2009 5:28 am US/Central Police Investigate Shootings In Wauconda
Adult And Teen Stormed Couple's Home; Fight, Shooting Ensued

WAUCONDA, Ill. (CBS) ? Imagine you're home at night and someone starts
banging on your door.

When you open the door to see who it is they push their way inside.

As CBS 2's Mike Puccnielli explains, that is what police say happened
Saturday to a Wauconda couple, only they fought back.

Loved ones of residents who police say were attacked in their Wauconda home
stopped by the scene of the crime about 24 hours later.

They weren't talking, but police were about what they say is the first
shooting to happen in the Lake County town in 20 years.

At about 6 p.m. Saturday, police say, a father and his 15-year-old son
forced their way into a home on Indian Ridge Trail because, police say, they
believed the boy's 11-year-old brother was being held against his will
inside.

When the two got in, a struggle ensued and punches were thrown.

At one point during the struggle, police said, the homeowner pulled a
handgun and shot the man and his son. Police were called. Officers found the
two intruders outside bleeding.

"The homeowners were absolutely just frightened to death. … They had no idea
who these people were," Wauconda Deputy Police Chief Patrick Yost said.

Police are still trying to figure out why the father and son team targeted
the house.

They say it's possible that the two simply went to the wrong house. They
also say that the 11-year-old boy was apparently in no danger. Police say
they found him unharmed at a friend's house.

Neighbors are concerned.

"It's extremely shocking," neighbor David Brown said Saturday night. "I've
lived here for 20 years, and it's the first time that anything's ever
happened here like this."

The man and woman who live in the home were both treated and released from
the hospital.

The 15-year-old was released after he was treated for a gunshot wound to his
leg. It's not clear where the 49-year-old was shot. At last check, he was in
surgery at Lutheran General.

Charges in the case could be announced later Monday.

"Lib Loo" wrote in message
...


"Ignoramus4115" wrote in message
...
The story sounds a little incongruous, but still interesting.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2...-suspects.html



Dec 28, 2009 5:28 am US/Central Police Investigate Shootings In Wauconda
Adult And Teen Stormed Couple's Home; Fight, Shooting Ensued

WAUCONDA, Ill. (CBS) ? Imagine you're home at night and someone starts
banging on your door.

When you open the door to see who it is they push their way inside.

As CBS 2's Mike Puccnielli explains, that is what police say happened
Saturday to a Wauconda couple, only they fought back.

Loved ones of residents who police say were attacked in their Wauconda
home stopped by the scene of the crime about 24 hours later.

They weren't talking, but police were about what they say is the first
shooting to happen in the Lake County town in 20 years.

At about 6 p.m. Saturday, police say, a father and his 15-year-old son
forced their way into a home on Indian Ridge Trail because, police say,
they believed the boy's 11-year-old brother was being held against his
will inside.

When the two got in, a struggle ensued and punches were thrown.

At one point during the struggle, police said, the homeowner pulled a
handgun and shot the man and his son. Police were called. Officers found
the two intruders outside bleeding.

"The homeowners were absolutely just frightened to death. … They had no
idea who these people were," Wauconda Deputy Police Chief Patrick Yost
said.

Police are still trying to figure out why the father and son team targeted
the house.

They say it's possible that the two simply went to the wrong house. They
also say that the 11-year-old boy was apparently in no danger. Police say
they found him unharmed at a friend's house.

Neighbors are concerned.

"It's extremely shocking," neighbor David Brown said Saturday night. "I've
lived here for 20 years, and it's the first time that anything's ever
happened here like this."

The man and woman who live in the home were both treated and released from
the hospital.

The 15-year-old was released after he was treated for a gunshot wound to
his leg. It's not clear where the 49-year-old was shot. At last check, he
was in surgery at Lutheran General.

Charges in the case could be announced later Monday.



Ya, it appears to be some pretty weird sh)t.

Two nitwits go out to pick up an 11 year old relative, but get the address
wrong.

Homeowners says "there ain't no kid here".

Nitwits decide that the homeowner is some kind of perv and that he's lying
to them. So they start pushing him around.

Homeowner thinks that the nitwits are a couple of crazy psychos and pops em
both with a "small caliber handgun"

Bad brains, it's worse than no brains at all.


Paul K. Dickman

Paul... here's a newer article...

Shooting at Wauconda home linked to mistaken address

Wauconda police said today that a shooting and alleged home invasion
early Saturday night appears to be the result of a mistaken address.

Two Wauconda residents, a 15-year-old boy and a 49-year-old man, were
shot by the owner of a house on the 300 block of Indian Ridge Trail in
the far north suburb just before 6 p.m., police said, after the two
refused to leave the residence.

Wauconda Police Commander John Thibault said the pair believed they
were picking up a family member at the home. When told by the
homeowners that their family member was not present, the suspects did
not believe them, he said.

The pair forced their way in and assaulted the two people inside,
causing minor injuries, according to police.

One of the homeowners, who Thibault said is a registered firearm
owner, then shot both the man and the teen with a small caliber
handgun. All four, whom authorities declined to identify, were taken
to area hospitals.

Police said the teen and both homeowners were treated at Advocate Good
Shepherd Hospital in Barrington and released. The 49-year-old man, who
underwent surgery at Lutheran General Hospital in Park Ridge on Sunday
morning, remained in critical condition Monday, according to Thibault.

He said no charges have been filed in the case and police have not
arrested anyone. Investigators continue to interview both the suspects
and the homeowners, a pair Thibault described as "still pretty shaken
up."

Authorities declined to identify the family member that the teenager
and man were seeking, but did say that individual "is and was always
safe, as far as we know."

Police said the incident was not gang or drug related.

But Thibault said police are still trying to answer some questions,
such as the "exact rationale" for the two forcing their way inside.

-- Georgia Garvey

"Ignoramus4115" wrote in message
...
Paul... here's a newer article...

Shooting at Wauconda home linked to mistaken address

Wauconda police said today that a shooting and alleged home invasion
early Saturday night appears to be the result of a mistaken address.

Two Wauconda residents, a 15-year-old boy and a 49-year-old man, were
shot by the owner of a house on the 300 block of Indian Ridge Trail in
the far north suburb just before 6 p.m., police said, after the two
refused to leave the residence.

Wauconda Police Commander John Thibault said the pair believed they
were picking up a family member at the home. When told by the
homeowners that their family member was not present, the suspects did
not believe them, he said.

The pair forced their way in and assaulted the two people inside,
causing minor injuries, according to police.

One of the homeowners, who Thibault said is a registered firearm
owner, then shot both the man and the teen with a small caliber
handgun. All four, whom authorities declined to identify, were taken
to area hospitals.

Police said the teen and both homeowners were treated at Advocate Good
Shepherd Hospital in Barrington and released. The 49-year-old man, who
underwent surgery at Lutheran General Hospital in Park Ridge on Sunday
morning, remained in critical condition Monday, according to Thibault.

He said no charges have been filed in the case and police have not
arrested anyone. Investigators continue to interview both the suspects
and the homeowners, a pair Thibault described as "still pretty shaken
up."

Authorities declined to identify the family member that the teenager
and man were seeking, but did say that individual "is and was always
safe, as far as we know."

Police said the incident was not gang or drug related.

But Thibault said police are still trying to answer some questions,
such as the "exact rationale" for the two forcing their way inside.

-- Georgia Garvey

They were looking for their 11 year old kid and went to the wrong house to
pick him up.

In article ,
"Lib Loo" wrote:



They were looking for their 11 year old kid and went to the wrong house to
pick him up.

Might have helped to make sure they were at the right house before
forcing their way inside, eh? A small mistake, exacerbated by a large
dose of aggression, nearly got them killed.

At smart people's houses there _are_ no "small caliber" pistols for
defense. Those are for plinking and other fun activities. Serious
business calls for calibers larger than .35.

Ignoramus4115 wrote:

Paul... here's a newer article...

Shooting at Wauconda home linked to mistaken address

Wauconda police said today that a shooting and alleged home invasion
early Saturday night appears to be the result of a mistaken address.

Two Wauconda residents, a 15-year-old boy and a 49-year-old man, were
shot by the owner of a house on the 300 block of Indian Ridge Trail in
the far north suburb just before 6 p.m., police said, after the two
refused to leave the residence.

Wauconda Police Commander John Thibault said the pair believed they
were picking up a family member at the home. When told by the
homeowners that their family member was not present, the suspects did
not believe them, he said.


I had something like that happen once. Guy shows up at my door at night quite agitated
demanding I send his daughter out. I didn't know who he was nor did I know his daughter.

He was intent on coming inside, I was intent on not allowing that to happen since who
knows what is really going on.

He showed good sense and backed down.

I can't remember if I told him to contact the Sheriff or I convinced him I really didn't
know his girl, maybe it was just my tone of voice and confidence he was not coming in that
got his attention.

Yes, firearms were involved but he never saw, nor did I mention one.

Wes

On 2009-12-29, Wes wrote:
Ignoramus4115 wrote:

Paul... here's a newer article...

Shooting at Wauconda home linked to mistaken address

Wauconda police said today that a shooting and alleged home invasion
early Saturday night appears to be the result of a mistaken address.

Two Wauconda residents, a 15-year-old boy and a 49-year-old man, were
shot by the owner of a house on the 300 block of Indian Ridge Trail in
the far north suburb just before 6 p.m., police said, after the two
refused to leave the residence.

Wauconda Police Commander John Thibault said the pair believed they
were picking up a family member at the home. When told by the
homeowners that their family member was not present, the suspects did
not believe them, he said.


I had something like that happen once. Guy shows up at my door at night quite agitated
demanding I send his daughter out. I didn't know who he was nor did I know his daughter.

He was intent on coming inside, I was intent on not allowing that to happen since who
knows what is really going on.

He showed good sense and backed down.

I can't remember if I told him to contact the Sheriff or I convinced him I really didn't
know his girl, maybe it was just my tone of voice and confidence he was not coming in that
got his attention.

Yes, firearms were involved but he never saw, nor did I mention one.

Scary stuff. And, to add, I sort of understand the other side too. If,
say, my child was missing and I believed him or her to be inside some
house, I would definitely want to at least look, esp. if the person
answering was acting suspiciously for any reason.

I would think that in these instances, it would help to get the police
involved early.

By the way, many experienced serial killers are very good at producing
a convincing act and looking non-threatening.

i

On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 06:44:09 -0600, the infamous Ignoramus4115
scrawled the following:

The story sounds a little incongruous, but still interesting.

http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2...-suspects.html

Two points for the homeowner. Kudos!

I just hope that the city, county, and/or state judicial departments
don't jump him or her for doing something that the police are unable
to do: actually protect citizens.

--
"I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things
that money can buy." --Tom Clancy