Greetings and Salutations

The Antikythera Mechanism – that's the gears and stuff found in 1900
in a shipwreck from about 150-100 BC.

We'll start with the cool link with the pictures:
http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/30/...-be-so-modern/
Scroll down, there's a video clip of the finished project.

and the 'home page' http://www.antikythera-mechanism.gr/

with links to radiographic scans, and other fun things.

Oh, and this is all about cars, from a European Perspective ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZXZkW1N3Ig
and watch the rest ...

-
pyotr filipivich.
as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James
Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at
producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
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Greetings and Salutations

The Antikythera Mechanism - that's the gears and stuff found in 1900
in a shipwreck from about 150-100 BC.


Just one more gear and it would have predicted Global Warming!

Buerste wrote:
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Greetings and Salutations

The Antikythera Mechanism - that's the gears and stuff found in 1900
in a shipwreck from about 150-100 BC.


Just one more gear and it would have predicted Global Warming!

One less and it would have been Sarah Palin!


--
John R. Carroll

pyotr filipivich wrote:

The Antikythera Mechanism – that's the gears and stuff found in 1900
in a shipwreck from about 150-100 BC.

So they finally noodled it out. The youtube that is embeddd was worth the viewing.

Wes
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in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

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Greetings and Salutations

The Antikythera Mechanism - that's the gears and stuff found in 1900
in a shipwreck from about 150-100 BC.


Just one more gear and it would have predicted Global Warming!

Oh, you don't need to do that, just label one of them "Global
Temperature" and as it cranks forward, the dial moves up.
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pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

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pyotr filipivich wrote:

The Antikythera Mechanism – that's the gears and stuff found in 1900
in a shipwreck from about 150-100 BC.

So they finally noodled it out. The youtube that is embeddd was worth the viewing.

As some of the articles pointed out, they've been analyzing this
for nearly 80 years. And as the imaging tech has improved, they could
get better discrimination on what was under the surface.

I remember a sci-fi story where they find an astronaut, trapped by
cave-in on the moon. Only - nobody is missing. This that and the
other, he's been there for - oh, 50,000 years. So they get the high
tech scanners out and "read" his notebook - using the table of
constants (which any engineer/astronauts manual would have) as the
Rosetta stone.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

pyotr filipivich wrote:

I remember a sci-fi story where they find an astronaut, trapped by
cave-in on the moon. Only - nobody is missing. This that and the
other, he's been there for - oh, 50,000 years. So they get the high
tech scanners out and "read" his notebook - using the table of
constants (which any engineer/astronauts manual would have) as the
Rosetta stone.
-
pyotr filipivich

Have any idea of the title? Sounds like one I'd like to read.
...Lew...

On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:44:52 -0700, Lewis Hartswick
wrote:

pyotr filipivich wrote:

I remember a sci-fi story where they find an astronaut, trapped by
cave-in on the moon. Only - nobody is missing. This that and the
other, he's been there for - oh, 50,000 years. So they get the high
tech scanners out and "read" his notebook - using the table of
constants (which any engineer/astronauts manual would have) as the
Rosetta stone.
-
pyotr filipivich

Have any idea of the title? Sounds like one I'd like to read.
...Lew...


same here

Gunner

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766

Lewis Hartswick wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:

I remember a sci-fi story where they find an astronaut, trapped by
cave-in on the moon. Only - nobody is missing. This that and the
other, he's been there for - oh, 50,000 years. So they get the high
tech scanners out and "read" his notebook - using the table of
constants (which any engineer/astronauts manual would have) as the
Rosetta stone.


Is this it?

Inherit_the_Stars by James P. Hogan


http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7...erit_the_Stars


technomaNge
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pyotr filipivich wrote:

I remember a sci-fi story where they find an astronaut, trapped by
cave-in on the moon. Only - nobody is missing. This that and the
other, he's been there for - oh, 50,000 years. So they get the high
tech scanners out and "read" his notebook - using the table of
constants (which any engineer/astronauts manual would have) as the
Rosetta stone.
-
pyotr filipivich

Have any idea of the title? Sounds like one I'd like to read.

Make that 2 requests, Pete.

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Lewis Hartswick wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:

I remember a sci-fi story where they find an astronaut, trapped by
cave-in on the moon. Only - nobody is missing. This that and the
other, he's been there for - oh, 50,000 years. So they get the high
tech scanners out and "read" his notebook - using the table of
constants (which any engineer/astronauts manual would have) as the
Rosetta stone.


Is this it?

Inherit_the_Stars by James P. Hogan


http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7...erit_the_Stars

"Winnah! WInnah! Chicken Dinnah!"


I'd finally recalled that it was by Hogan - it is part of a
"trilogy", we find a wrecked alien ship on Gayanmede, then survivors
enter the system (They've been trying to slow down for the last
umpteen thousand years - engine troubles.), then we beat the bad guys.

I like Hogan's style. _Children of Saturn_ is the latest (as far
as I know) - Velechovsky was correct.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

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Lewis Hartswick wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:

I remember a sci-fi story where they find an astronaut, trapped by
cave-in on the moon. Only - nobody is missing. This that and the
other, he's been there for - oh, 50,000 years. So they get the high
tech scanners out and "read" his notebook - using the table of
constants (which any engineer/astronauts manual would have) as the
Rosetta stone.


Is this it?

Inherit_the_Stars by James P. Hogan


http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7...erit_the_Stars

"Winnah! WInnah! Chicken Dinnah!"


I'd finally recalled that it was by Hogan - it is part of a
"trilogy", we find a wrecked alien ship on Gayanmede, then survivors
enter the system (They've been trying to slow down for the last
umpteen thousand years - engine troubles.), then we beat the bad guys.

I like Hogan's style. _Children of Saturn_ is the latest (as far
as I know) - Velechovsky was correct.

I do, too. I read his _Thrice Upon a Time_ last year. A Scots hoot,
it was.

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Lewis Hartswick wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:

I remember a sci-fi story where they find an astronaut, trapped by
cave-in on the moon. Only - nobody is missing. This that and the
other, he's been there for - oh, 50,000 years. So they get the high
tech scanners out and "read" his notebook - using the table of
constants (which any engineer/astronauts manual would have) as the
Rosetta stone.


Is this it?

Inherit_the_Stars by James P. Hogan


http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7...erit_the_Stars

"Winnah! WInnah! Chicken Dinnah!"


I'd finally recalled that it was by Hogan - it is part of a
"trilogy", we find a wrecked alien ship on Gayanmede, then survivors
enter the system (They've been trying to slow down for the last
umpteen thousand years - engine troubles.), then we beat the bad guys.

I like Hogan's style. _Children of Saturn_ is the latest (as far
as I know) - Velechovsky was correct.

I do, too. I read his _Thrice Upon a Time_ last year. A Scots hoot,
it was.


Just finished "Inherit the Stars"

Not a bad read. Hope there are more in the series.

Gunner

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766

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On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:57:43 -0800, the infamous pyotr filipivich
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Lewis Hartswick wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:

I remember a sci-fi story where they find an astronaut, trapped by
cave-in on the moon. Only - nobody is missing. This that and the
other, he's been there for - oh, 50,000 years. So they get the high
tech scanners out and "read" his notebook - using the table of
constants (which any engineer/astronauts manual would have) as the
Rosetta stone.


Is this it?

Inherit_the_Stars by James P. Hogan


http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7...erit_the_Stars

"Winnah! WInnah! Chicken Dinnah!"


I'd finally recalled that it was by Hogan - it is part of a
"trilogy", we find a wrecked alien ship on Gayanmede, then survivors
enter the system (They've been trying to slow down for the last
umpteen thousand years - engine troubles.), then we beat the bad guys.

I like Hogan's style. _Children of Saturn_ is the latest (as far
as I know) - Velechovsky was correct.

_Cradle of Saturn_ my mistake. (I'm lucky enough to remember
any of the title! sometimes.)

I do, too. I read his _Thrice Upon a Time_ last year. A Scots hoot,
it was.


Just finished "Inherit the Stars"

Not a bad read. Hope there are more in the series.

The Giants Novels are
Inherit the Stars,
The Gentle Giants of Ganymede,
Giants' Star)
Mass Market Paperback (May 1, 1994) by James P. Hogan

I liked his "Code of the Lifemaker" if only for the line "Why is the
servant of the Lifemaker showing me the vegetable it is wearing?"

The Two Faces Of Tomorrow - before we turn over the internet to an
AI, maybe we should test it, somehow?

The Proteus Operation - this is timeline C.

Hmmm - this looks very interesting _Kicking the Sacred Cow: Heresy and
Impermissible Thoughts in Science_ c 2004.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Dec 24, 9:26*pm, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Greetings and Salutations

The Antikythera Mechanism – that's the gears and stuff found in 1900
in a shipwreck from about 150-100 BC.

We'll start with the cool link with the pictures:http://www.neatorama.com/2009/11/30/...ogies-that-mig...
Scroll down, there's a video clip of the finished project.




This was produced in the Middle east long before the
muslims started killing any learned men because they
were a threat to the religion.

Gunner Asch wrote:

Just finished "Inherit the Stars"

Not a bad read. Hope there are more in the series.

Gunner

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766



That was quick!

BTW, I like the quote.
Randy

On 2009-12-28, Randall Replogle wrote:
Gunner

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766

That was quick!

BTW, I like the quote.
Randy


One has to wonder how it applies to Gunner himself, however. For
example, would he be richer now if he was kicked out of hospital when
he had his stroke or heart attack?

There is actually a lot of truth to the quote, but it does not apply
as universally as I used to think.

i

On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:27:00 -0500, Randall Replogle
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:

Just finished "Inherit the Stars"

Not a bad read. Hope there are more in the series.

Gunner

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766



That was quick!

I read rather fast. Unfortunately. I tend to run through (fiction)
books at a rather expensive rate..hence free ones are welcome.

BTW, I like the quote.
Randy


Feel free to copy and use it.

Gunner

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766

"Ignoramus4115" wrote in message
...
On 2009-12-28, Randall Replogle wrote:
Gunner

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766

That was quick!

BTW, I like the quote.
Randy


One has to wonder how it applies to Gunner himself, however. For
example, would he be richer now if he was kicked out of hospital when
he had his stroke or heart attack?

There is actually a lot of truth to the quote, but it does not apply
as universally as I used to think.

Franklin himself gave a hint to your question. Gunner clipped the quote just
before this:

"There is no country in the world where so many provisions are established
for them; so many hospitals to receive them when they are sick or lame,
founded and maintained by voluntary charities; so many alms-houses for the
aged of both sexes, together with a solemn general law made by the rich to
subject their estates to a heavy tax for the support of the poor. Under all
these obligations, are our poor modest, humble, and thankful; and do they
use their best endeavours to maintain themselves, and lighten our shoulders
of this burthen? -- On the contrary..."

--
Ed Huntress

Gunner Asch wrote:
Absolutely fascinating! I was only vaguely aware of Velikovsky..and
after reading about his data and reports....Im stunned!

Way cool!!

Gunner


Gunner, I have "The Velikovsky Affair"
Edited by Alfred deGrazia .
I bought this back in the 70s (I think) when there
was the big flap over Worlds in Collision which
I had read as well as Earth in Upheaval and the
other one ? .(Ah! Ages in Chaos)
If you would like to read it I'll be glad to ship
it to you.
I followed the Pense' articles also.
I still think it's one of the biggest "black eyes"
the scientific community has ever had. It makes
Copernicus 's recantation by the Catholic church
look like a grade school brawl.
...Lew...

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Interesting. Hogan is a believer in Velikovsky's theories. And
here he makes a presentation which makes sense.

http://www.jamesphogan.com/books/inf...mple&sample=79

Absolutely fascinating! I was only vaguely aware of Velikovsky..and
after reading about his data and reports....Im stunned!

Way cool!!

Wild ain't it? Not only is the world stranger than we imagine,
but sometimes stranger than we can imagine. Which scares me not one
iota. (Although I keep in mind that while a lot of"crazy" theories
proved to be true, far more were proved to be crazy.)

I ran into Velikovsky reading what's his name book "Chariot of the
Gods". Don't bother - when he can't even get straight something from
the Hebrew Bible (mislocating an even by about six books and 500 years
+/-) the rest of his research is suspect. On a side note, I've had
several books which purport to demonstrate that the activities in the
Pentateuch were inspired by Aliens & Flying Saucers. 'Sufficiently
high enough technology is indistinguishable from magic' but doesn't
address the question of "quo bono?"
But I read Velikovsky, and went "wow" - and thought little more of
it. Now ... Wow! Farm out and all the rest. Truly God has created
an awe inspiring universe.



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It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

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Gunner Asch wrote:
Absolutely fascinating! I was only vaguely aware of Velikovsky..and
after reading about his data and reports....Im stunned!

Way cool!!

Gunner


Gunner, I have "The Velikovsky Affair"
Edited by Alfred deGrazia .
I bought this back in the 70s (I think) when there
was the big flap over Worlds in Collision which
I had read as well as Earth in Upheaval and the
other one ? .(Ah! Ages in Chaos)
If you would like to read it I'll be glad to ship
it to you.
I followed the Pense' articles also.
I still think it's one of the biggest "black eyes"
the scientific community has ever had. It makes
Copernicus 's recantation by the Catholic church
look like a grade school brawl.

As much as they want to claim they are objective, the followers of
Scientism are just as adamant about Enforcing Orthodoxy as the
establishment was in the time of Gallello.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

pyotr filipivich wrote:

As much as they want to claim they are objective, the followers of
Scientism are just as adamant about Enforcing Orthodoxy as the
establishment was in the time of Gallello.
Gallello!
Ah! Yes. That is what happens when you get OLD. :-)

...Lew...

pyotr filipivich wrote:

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On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:51:06 -0800, Larry Jaques
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On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:57:43 -0800, the infamous pyotr filipivich
scrawled the following:

Let the Record show that technomaNge on or
about Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:03:22 -0600 did write/type or cause to
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Lewis Hartswick wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:

I remember a sci-fi story where they find an astronaut, trapped by
cave-in on the moon. Only - nobody is missing. This that and the
other, he's been there for - oh, 50,000 years. So they get the high
tech scanners out and "read" his notebook - using the table of
constants (which any engineer/astronauts manual would have) as the
Rosetta stone.


Is this it?

Inherit_the_Stars by James P. Hogan


http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7...erit_the_Stars

"Winnah! WInnah! Chicken Dinnah!"


I'd finally recalled that it was by Hogan - it is part of a
"trilogy", we find a wrecked alien ship on Gayanmede, then survivors
enter the system (They've been trying to slow down for the last
umpteen thousand years - engine troubles.), then we beat the bad guys.

I like Hogan's style. _Children of Saturn_ is the latest (as far
as I know) - Velechovsky was correct.

_Cradle of Saturn_ my mistake. (I'm lucky enough to remember
any of the title! sometimes.)

I do, too. I read his _Thrice Upon a Time_ last year. A Scots hoot,
it was.


Just finished "Inherit the Stars"

Not a bad read. Hope there are more in the series.

The Giants Novels are
Inherit the Stars,
The Gentle Giants of Ganymede,
Giants' Star)
Mass Market Paperback (May 1, 1994) by James P. Hogan

I liked his "Code of the Lifemaker" if only for the line "Why is the
servant of the Lifemaker showing me the vegetable it is wearing?"

The Two Faces Of Tomorrow - before we turn over the internet to an
AI, maybe we should test it, somehow?

The Proteus Operation - this is timeline C.

Hmmm - this looks very interesting _Kicking the Sacred Cow: Heresy and
Impermissible Thoughts in Science_ c 2004.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!


http:www.itks-training.com%3A8888%2FeBooks%2FScience%2520Fiction %2520and%2520Fantasy%2FJames%2520P.%2520Hogan%2FJa mes%2520P.%2520Hogan%2520-%2520Giants%25202%2520-%2520The%2520Gentle%2520Giants%2520of%2520Ganymede .pdf


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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:44:29 -0700, Lewis Hartswick
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
Absolutely fascinating! I was only vaguely aware of Velikovsky..and
after reading about his data and reports....Im stunned!

Way cool!!

Gunner


Gunner, I have "The Velikovsky Affair"
Edited by Alfred deGrazia .
I bought this back in the 70s (I think) when there
was the big flap over Worlds in Collision which
I had read as well as Earth in Upheaval and the
other one ? .(Ah! Ages in Chaos)
If you would like to read it I'll be glad to ship
it to you.
I followed the Pense' articles also.
I still think it's one of the biggest "black eyes"
the scientific community has ever had. It makes
Copernicus 's recantation by the Catholic church
look like a grade school brawl.
...Lew...


Yah...I got that impression from the article.

Ill look for the book online. If I cant find it..Ill borrow it from
you.

And thanks!

Gunner

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766

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pyotr filipivich wrote:

As much as they want to claim they are objective, the followers of
Scientism are just as adamant about Enforcing Orthodoxy as the
establishment was in the time of Gallello.
Gallello!
Ah! Yes. That is what happens when you get OLD. :-)

Sorry, my spell checker went to publick skwel "Galileo Galilei" -
known to his friends as Crazy Eddie.

tschus
pyotr
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wrote:

On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:57:43 -0800, the infamous pyotr filipivich
scrawled the following:

Let the Record show that technomaNge on or
about Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:03:22 -0600 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
Lewis Hartswick wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:

I remember a sci-fi story where they find an astronaut, trapped by
cave-in on the moon. Only - nobody is missing. This that and the
other, he's been there for - oh, 50,000 years. So they get the high
tech scanners out and "read" his notebook - using the table of
constants (which any engineer/astronauts manual would have) as the
Rosetta stone.


Is this it?

Inherit_the_Stars by James P. Hogan


http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7...erit_the_Stars

"Winnah! WInnah! Chicken Dinnah!"


I'd finally recalled that it was by Hogan - it is part of a
"trilogy", we find a wrecked alien ship on Gayanmede, then survivors
enter the system (They've been trying to slow down for the last
umpteen thousand years - engine troubles.), then we beat the bad guys.

I like Hogan's style. _Children of Saturn_ is the latest (as far
as I know) - Velechovsky was correct.

_Cradle of Saturn_ my mistake. (I'm lucky enough to remember
any of the title! sometimes.)

I do, too. I read his _Thrice Upon a Time_ last year. A Scots hoot,
it was.


Just finished "Inherit the Stars"

Not a bad read. Hope there are more in the series.

The Giants Novels are
Inherit the Stars,
The Gentle Giants of Ganymede,
Giants' Star)
Mass Market Paperback (May 1, 1994) by James P. Hogan

I liked his "Code of the Lifemaker" if only for the line "Why is the
servant of the Lifemaker showing me the vegetable it is wearing?"

The Two Faces Of Tomorrow - before we turn over the internet to an
AI, maybe we should test it, somehow?

The Proteus Operation - this is timeline C.

Hmmm - this looks very interesting _Kicking the Sacred Cow: Heresy and
Impermissible Thoughts in Science_ c 2004.
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pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!


http:www.itks-training.com%3A8888%2FeBooks%2FScience%2520Fiction %2520and%2520Fantasy%2FJames%2520P.%2520Hogan%2FJa mes%2520P.%2520Hogan%2520-%2520Giants%25202%2520-%2520The%2520Gentle%2520Giants%2520of%2520Ganymede .pdf


That took some hacking around to figure out ... thanks. Now all I
need is the time to read all them books. Sigh - "So many books, so
little time."
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pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:32:15 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell"
on or about Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:50:07
-0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
following:

pyotr filipivich wrote:

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or
about Sun, 27 Dec 2009 02:34:18 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:51:06 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 17:57:43 -0800, the infamous pyotr filipivich
scrawled the following:

Let the Record show that technomaNge on or
about Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:03:22 -0600 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
Lewis Hartswick wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote:

I remember a sci-fi story where they find an astronaut, trapped by
cave-in on the moon. Only - nobody is missing. This that and the
other, he's been there for - oh, 50,000 years. So they get the high
tech scanners out and "read" his notebook - using the table of
constants (which any engineer/astronauts manual would have) as the
Rosetta stone.


Is this it?

Inherit_the_Stars by James P. Hogan


http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7...erit_the_Stars

"Winnah! WInnah! Chicken Dinnah!"


I'd finally recalled that it was by Hogan - it is part of a
"trilogy", we find a wrecked alien ship on Gayanmede, then survivors
enter the system (They've been trying to slow down for the last
umpteen thousand years - engine troubles.), then we beat the bad guys.

I like Hogan's style. _Children of Saturn_ is the latest (as far
as I know) - Velechovsky was correct.

_Cradle of Saturn_ my mistake. (I'm lucky enough to remember
any of the title! sometimes.)

I do, too. I read his _Thrice Upon a Time_ last year. A Scots hoot,
it was.


Just finished "Inherit the Stars"

Not a bad read. Hope there are more in the series.

The Giants Novels are
Inherit the Stars,
The Gentle Giants of Ganymede,
Giants' Star)
Mass Market Paperback (May 1, 1994) by James P. Hogan

I liked his "Code of the Lifemaker" if only for the line "Why is the
servant of the Lifemaker showing me the vegetable it is wearing?"

The Two Faces Of Tomorrow - before we turn over the internet to an
AI, maybe we should test it, somehow?

The Proteus Operation - this is timeline C.

Hmmm - this looks very interesting _Kicking the Sacred Cow: Heresy and
Impermissible Thoughts in Science_ c 2004.
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!


http:www.itks-training.com%3A8888%2FeBooks%2FScience%2520Fiction %2520and%2520Fantasy%2FJames%2520P.%2520Hogan%2FJa mes%2520P.%2520Hogan%2520-%2520Giants%25202%2520-%2520The%2520Gentle%2520Giants%2520of%2520Ganymede .pdf


That took some hacking around to figure out ... thanks. Now all I
need is the time to read all them books. Sigh - "So many books, so
little time."
-

Give me some clue...I keep getting a "cannot find server"

Gunner

pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or
about Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:03:06 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:32:15 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:
Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell"
on or about Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:50:07
-0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the
following:
Just finished "Inherit the Stars"

Not a bad read. Hope there are more in the series.

The Giants Novels are
Inherit the Stars,
The Gentle Giants of Ganymede,
Giants' Star)
Mass Market Paperback (May 1, 1994) by James P. Hogan

I liked his "Code of the Lifemaker" if only for the line "Why is the
servant of the Lifemaker showing me the vegetable it is wearing?"

The Two Faces Of Tomorrow - before we turn over the internet to an
AI, maybe we should test it, somehow?

The Proteus Operation - this is timeline C.

Hmmm - this looks very interesting _Kicking the Sacred Cow: Heresy and
Impermissible Thoughts in Science_ c 2004.

http:www.itks-training.com%3A8888%2FeBooks%2FScience%2520Fiction %2520and%2520Fantasy%2FJames%2520P.%2520Hogan%2FJa mes%2520P.%2520Hogan%2520-%2520Giants%25202%2520-%2520The%2520Gentle%2520Giants%2520of%2520Ganymede .pdf


That took some hacking around to figure out ... thanks. Now all I
need is the time to read all them books. Sigh - "So many books, so
little time."
-

Give me some clue...I keep getting a "cannot find server"

I googled "itks-training.com Ganymede.pdf" and eventual got
here.

http://www.itks-training.com:8888/eB...and%20Fantasy/

Usual caveat about editing the %20 to single blank spaces.
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pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!