Here's a little video on the Detroit situation and it sure isn't
pretty.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=05f_1261404860

Dave

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:16:00 -0500, lid wrote:

Here's a little video on the Detroit situation and it sure isn't
pretty.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=05f_1261404860

Dave


Sigh...not pretty indeed. Americas heartland...with a large rotting
hole in the middle of it.

And the hole is growing...larger and larger....


Gunner


"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

wrote in message
...
Here's a little video on the Detroit situation and it sure isn't
pretty.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=05f_1261404860

Dave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6WKMNmFsxM

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:07:38 -0500, "Rick" wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
Here's a little video on the Detroit situation and it sure isn't
pretty.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=05f_1261404860

Dave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6WKMNmFsxM

Dear god.........

Gunner, wiping away a tear....



"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:07:38 -0500, "Rick" wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6WKMNmFsxM

F'n looks like Fallujah, Iraq after the Marines got done with it.
Dave

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or
about Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:05:07 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:16:00 -0500, lid wrote:

Here's a little video on the Detroit situation and it sure isn't
pretty.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=05f_1261404860

Dave


Sigh...not pretty indeed. Americas heartland...with a large rotting
hole in the middle of it.

And the hole is growing...larger and larger....

Interesting article in the Wall Street Journal last week. The
new mayor is a businessman, and former NBA star. As a kid, he got a
nail in the eye, they said it would adversely effect his depth
perception. So he went on to be the number 2 draft choice. And then
got clonked in the head during a game, and they told him there was a
risk of a detached retina - so seven years later he hung up his
jersey.
Took some of his money and bought into a steel mill. just in time
for the great steel recession of 1980.

So, he's looking at the fact that Detroit is going to have to cut
costs, and that means telling the Unions "You have a choice: 90
percent of what you're now getting, or after the bankruptcy, we start
negotiations from zero."
I think he's serious. Like, how much worse off would he (and
Detroit) be?


tschus
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:00:36 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or
about Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:05:07 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:16:00 -0500, lid wrote:

Here's a little video on the Detroit situation and it sure isn't
pretty.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=05f_1261404860

Dave


Sigh...not pretty indeed. Americas heartland...with a large rotting
hole in the middle of it.

And the hole is growing...larger and larger....

Interesting article in the Wall Street Journal last week. The
new mayor is a businessman, and former NBA star. As a kid, he got a
nail in the eye, they said it would adversely effect his depth
perception. So he went on to be the number 2 draft choice. And then
got clonked in the head during a game, and they told him there was a
risk of a detached retina - so seven years later he hung up his
jersey.
Took some of his money and bought into a steel mill. just in time
for the great steel recession of 1980.

So, he's looking at the fact that Detroit is going to have to cut
costs, and that means telling the Unions "You have a choice: 90
percent of what you're now getting, or after the bankruptcy, we start
negotiations from zero."
I think he's serious. Like, how much worse off would he (and
Detroit) be?


tschus
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!


Got a link? Sounds like the kind of guy Roit needs

Gunner


"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 00:00:36 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or
about Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:05:07 -0800 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:16:00 -0500, lid wrote:

Here's a little video on the Detroit situation and it sure isn't
pretty.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=05f_1261404860

Dave


Sigh...not pretty indeed. Americas heartland...with a large rotting
hole in the middle of it.

And the hole is growing...larger and larger....

Interesting article in the Wall Street Journal last week. The
new mayor is a businessman, and former NBA star. As a kid, he got a
nail in the eye, they said it would adversely effect his depth
perception. So he went on to be the number 2 draft choice. And then
got clonked in the head during a game, and they told him there was a
risk of a detached retina - so seven years later he hung up his
jersey.
Took some of his money and bought into a steel mill. just in time
for the great steel recession of 1980.

So, he's looking at the fact that Detroit is going to have to cut
costs, and that means telling the Unions "You have a choice: 90
percent of what you're now getting, or after the bankruptcy, we start
negotiations from zero."
I think he's serious. Like, how much worse off would he (and
Detroit) be?


tschus
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!


Never mind...I found it

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB3000...636077732.html

Interesting. May Crom give him strength.


Also found this

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...wsreel_opinion

Rather interesting article about Iran....seems to be things afoot in
that country. And of course..the Obamassiah is adrift at sea.......

Gunner


"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

Rick wrote:

wrote in message
...
Here's a little video on the Detroit situation and it sure isn't
pretty.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=05f_1261404860

Dave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6WKMNmFsxM

I can't imagine why nobody wants to live or stay there.

"Cydrome Leader" wrote in message
...
Rick wrote:

wrote in message
...
Here's a little video on the Detroit situation and it sure isn't
pretty.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=05f_1261404860

Dave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6WKMNmFsxM

I can't imagine why nobody wants to live or stay there


Certainly not for the school system:

http://detnews.com/article/20091208/...onal-math-test

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or
about Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:26:01 -0800 did write/type or cause to
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Never mind...I found it

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB3000...636077732.html

Interesting. May Crom give him strength.

A point guard for 10 years? He's got the strength.
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pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Let the Record show that Cydrome Leader on
or about Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:46:39 +0000 (UTC) did write/type or cause
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Rick wrote:

wrote in message
...
Here's a little video on the Detroit situation and it sure isn't
pretty.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=05f_1261404860

Dave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6WKMNmFsxM

I can't imagine why nobody wants to live or stay there.

Start with "It is 'home". They don't have the means to get out of
town, and don't know where _to_ go. Or the means to start over. It is
really easy to say "Why don't they move?" But when your resources
are already stretched thin "'Why shore, I'd move. I'll just call up
UHaul and get a truck - wait, the phones out. Probably just as well,
the credit card is beyond maxed out." Say, how does one apply the
skills learned in the factory into a Web-based business?

It comes down to, they have too many reasons to stay, and too few
to move on.
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pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:18:35 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Let the Record show that Cydrome Leader on
or about Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:46:39 +0000 (UTC) did write/type or cause
to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
Rick wrote:

wrote in message
...
Here's a little video on the Detroit situation and it sure isn't
pretty.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=05f_1261404860

Dave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6WKMNmFsxM

I can't imagine why nobody wants to live or stay there.

Start with "It is 'home". They don't have the means to get out of
town, and don't know where _to_ go. Or the means to start over. It is
really easy to say "Why don't they move?" But when your resources
are already stretched thin "'Why shore, I'd move. I'll just call up
UHaul and get a truck - wait, the phones out. Probably just as well,
the credit card is beyond maxed out." Say, how does one apply the
skills learned in the factory into a Web-based business?

It comes down to, they have too many reasons to stay, and too few
to move on.
-

Indeed. Which is why I remain in my little town.



pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!


"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:16:00 -0500, lid
wrote:

Here's a little video on the Detroit situation and it sure isn't
pretty.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=05f_1261404860

Dave
========
There appears to be no reason that Detroit is unique. This
should serve as a "red flag" to the residents of all large urban
areas and their suburbs about can and will happen when the major
employers leave, either through bankruptcy/liquidation or
relocation/outsourcing, possibly resulting from
over-regulation/taxation, or being used as a "bargaining chip"
(and sold out) by our fearless trade negotiators.

I am sure that the neighbors to the 50$ house [before it was
priced at 50$] said something like "Well the car companies may be
closing down, but I don't work for a car company, or a car
company supplier, so I'll be OK."


Unka George (George McDuffee)
...............................
The past is a foreign country;
they do things differently there.
L. P. Hartley (1895-1972), British author.
The Go-Between, Prologue (1953).

"F. George McDuffee" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:16:00 -0500, lid
wrote:

Here's a little video on the Detroit situation and it sure isn't
pretty.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=05f_1261404860

Dave
========
There appears to be no reason that Detroit is unique. This
should serve as a "red flag" to the residents of all large urban
areas and their suburbs about can and will happen when the major
employers leave, either through bankruptcy/liquidation or
relocation/outsourcing, possibly resulting from
over-regulation/taxation, or being used as a "bargaining chip"
(and sold out) by our fearless trade negotiators.

There are two reasons most of them left the old manufacturing areas: Cheap
labor, and tax avoidance. A few decades ago, the Southestern states lured
manufacturers in by giving away the store.

Now they're paying the price. It turns out that China is cheaper still.

--
Ed Huntress

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:07:38 -0500, "Rick" wrote:


wrote in message
. ..
Here's a little video on the Detroit situation and it sure isn't
pretty.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=05f_1261404860

Dave

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6WKMNmFsxM

Dear god.........


At 7:22, isn't that where they shot the final shootout for Robocop
2?

Someone wrote "looks like city which was in a war." Yeah, it is a
city which was in a war. The War on Poverty. Poverty won and they
lost.
Or rather, we lost.

Detroit got really hammered, but it is not alone.

pyotr



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pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!