We just moved from Midland, Michigan to Georgetown, Texas. I had a
lot of stuff in the basement in Midland which had to come out.

I'm a long way from having a shop set back up, but at least the number
of boxes in the new house is down significantly. Later this week,
I'll get a storage unit and move a bunch of stuff out of the garage
until we build a place for my son and shop behind the house. That'll
get me room to maneuver.

Below are links to a few photos I took of getting my stuff out of the
basement in Michigan. It was way too exciting, especially when I
pulled the TM mill base up. The cast iron pan makes it very top
heavy, so it would have flipped backwards except for the winch cable.

http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move.txt
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_1.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_2.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_3.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_4.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_5.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_6.jpg

My brother flew up to help. At first I screwed a block to the ramp
for the winch cable to ride on. It shattered as soon as the ferrule
on the hook hit it. We changed it to a cheap pulley with bushing
pillow blocks. That worked o.k.

The loads we pulled were lathe, lathe cabinet (pictured), mill column,
mill cabinet, and Jet 16-1/2 drill press. No damage was inflicted to
house walls or floor, only the occasional small cut or banged knuckle
to us.

I'm glad that's over.

Pete Keillor

Pete Keillor wrote:
We just moved from Midland, Michigan to Georgetown, Texas. I had a
lot of stuff in the basement in Midland which had to come out.

(...)

Very slick, Pete. You made it look easy.

--Winston

Very straightforward and workmanlike approach to the
problem. Congratulations that it is over.

i

"Pete Keillor" skrev i en meddelelse
...

Below are links to a few photos I took of getting my stuff out of the
basement in Michigan. It was way too exciting, especially when I
pulled the TM mill base up. The cast iron pan makes it very top
heavy, so it would have flipped backwards except for the winch cable.

http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move.txt
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_1.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_2.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_3.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_4.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_5.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_6.jpg

Nice pic's that gives inspiration.

Having a look at your pic's got me puzzled.
What SB lathe model do you have there?
The top cover of the main spindle does not look like any other that I've
seen pictures of.
Is it right that it has some kind of tray on top of the cover?



--
Uffe Bærentsen
Denmark
(SB9A)

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:05:49 -0600, Pete Keillor
wrote:

We just moved from Midland, Michigan to Georgetown, Texas. I had a
lot of stuff in the basement in Midland which had to come out.

I'm a long way from having a shop set back up, but at least the number
of boxes in the new house is down significantly. Later this week,
I'll get a storage unit and move a bunch of stuff out of the garage
until we build a place for my son and shop behind the house. That'll
get me room to maneuver.

Below are links to a few photos I took of getting my stuff out of the
basement in Michigan. It was way too exciting, especially when I
pulled the TM mill base up. The cast iron pan makes it very top
heavy, so it would have flipped backwards except for the winch cable.

http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move.txt
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_1.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_2.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_3.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_4.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_5.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_6.jpg

My brother flew up to help. At first I screwed a block to the ramp
for the winch cable to ride on. It shattered as soon as the ferrule
on the hook hit it. We changed it to a cheap pulley with bushing
pillow blocks. That worked o.k.

The loads we pulled were lathe, lathe cabinet (pictured), mill column,
mill cabinet, and Jet 16-1/2 drill press. No damage was inflicted to
house walls or floor, only the occasional small cut or banged knuckle
to us.

I'm glad that's over.

Pete Keillor


Very nicely done Pete. I had some flashbacks when reviewing the photos.
I grew up in Michigan and put a ham shack in a basement once or twice.
When Dad and I built our house in '70, we made the stairs to the
basement wider than normal because we both had moved stuff up and down
stairs many times..and hated it.

You do very nice work with good planning.

Well done!

Gunner

"IMHO, some people here give Jeff far more attention than he deserves,
but obviously craves. The most appropriate response, and perhaps the
cruelest, IMO, is to simply killfile and ignore him. An alternative, if
you must, would be to post the same standard reply to his every post,
listing the manifold reasons why he ought to be ignored. Just my $0.02
worth."

Pete Keillor wrote:

We just moved from Midland, Michigan to Georgetown, Texas. I had a
lot of stuff in the basement in Midland which had to come out.


I have a friend who just moved from Northern California to Ranger
Texas. Between his house and shop, he filled two moving vans. The
first has arrived and was unloaded. The second is due today or
tomorrow. His shop was in an industrial park.


--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!

Gunner Asch wrote:

Very nicely done Pete. I had some flashbacks when reviewing the photos.
I grew up in Michigan and put a ham shack in a basement once or twice.
When Dad and I built our house in '70, we made the stairs to the
basement wider than normal because we both had moved stuff up and down
stairs many times..and hated it.

You do very nice work with good planning.

Well done!


I may be moving a friend's business in December. About 4,000 Sq.
feet of manufacturing and 1,500 Sq. feet of offices and storage. We are
supposed to meet next week for the planning and spend some time
measuring the new location. Their bridgeport will be one of the
heaviest to move, but not the worst job. Several large cutting and
sewing tables for vinyl have to be taken apart, moved and put back
together. (About 30 feet long) We will have to move everything, and be
ready for business in exactly two weeks. They make a couple different
types of canopies used at art shows. Every item is custom assembled.
If the move goes ahead, they will keep the metalworking part running at
the old location while the vinyl fabrication and assembly gets moved.
that way we will have a good stock of metal and cast plastic parts on
hand. Hopefully, we can clean and repaint all the machinery before it
is put back to work. My main jobs will be moving the computers and
telephone system, and wiring the machines. Most of the existing work
benches are to be replaced, to take advantage of the square shape of the
manufacturing floor.

There are already two large three phase compressors in place so that
will save some work. We will move the three they are using right now,
and plumb them in for standby service after everything else is done. I
want to take a lot of pictures of both locations, if I have the time.


--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:12:06 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:

Very nicely done Pete. I had some flashbacks when reviewing the photos.
I grew up in Michigan and put a ham shack in a basement once or twice.
When Dad and I built our house in '70, we made the stairs to the
basement wider than normal because we both had moved stuff up and down
stairs many times..and hated it.

You do very nice work with good planning.

Well done!


I may be moving a friend's business in December. About 4,000 Sq.
feet of manufacturing and 1,500 Sq. feet of offices and storage. We are
supposed to meet next week for the planning and spend some time
measuring the new location. Their bridgeport will be one of the
heaviest to move, but not the worst job. Several large cutting and
sewing tables for vinyl have to be taken apart, moved and put back
together. (About 30 feet long) We will have to move everything, and be
ready for business in exactly two weeks. They make a couple different
types of canopies used at art shows. Every item is custom assembled.
If the move goes ahead, they will keep the metalworking part running at
the old location while the vinyl fabrication and assembly gets moved.
that way we will have a good stock of metal and cast plastic parts on
hand. Hopefully, we can clean and repaint all the machinery before it
is put back to work. My main jobs will be moving the computers and
telephone system, and wiring the machines. Most of the existing work
benches are to be replaced, to take advantage of the square shape of the
manufacturing floor.

There are already two large three phase compressors in place so that
will save some work. We will move the three they are using right now,
and plumb them in for standby service after everything else is done. I
want to take a lot of pictures of both locations, if I have the time.


Im slow at the moment..fly me out there and Ill have the shop moved in a
week, and up and running by the end of the second.

Ill give yall a serious discount on my fees too.

Or call me with questions and I can help. Shrug

Gunner

"IMHO, some people here give Jeff far more attention than he deserves,
but obviously craves. The most appropriate response, and perhaps the
cruelest, IMO, is to simply killfile and ignore him. An alternative, if
you must, would be to post the same standard reply to his every post,
listing the manifold reasons why he ought to be ignored. Just my $0.02
worth."

Pete Keillor wrote:

The loads we pulled were lathe, lathe cabinet (pictured), mill column,
mill cabinet, and Jet 16-1/2 drill press. No damage was inflicted to
house walls or floor, only the occasional small cut or banged knuckle
to us.

Prior planning prevents **** poor performance. You pass!

Wes

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:12:06 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:

Very nicely done Pete. I had some flashbacks when reviewing the photos.
I grew up in Michigan and put a ham shack in a basement once or twice.
When Dad and I built our house in '70, we made the stairs to the
basement wider than normal because we both had moved stuff up and down
stairs many times..and hated it.

You do very nice work with good planning.

Well done!


I may be moving a friend's business in December. About 4,000 Sq.
feet of manufacturing and 1,500 Sq. feet of offices and storage. We are
supposed to meet next week for the planning and spend some time
measuring the new location. Their bridgeport will be one of the
heaviest to move, but not the worst job. Several large cutting and
sewing tables for vinyl have to be taken apart, moved and put back
together. (About 30 feet long) We will have to move everything, and be
ready for business in exactly two weeks. They make a couple different
types of canopies used at art shows. Every item is custom assembled.
If the move goes ahead, they will keep the metalworking part running at
the old location while the vinyl fabrication and assembly gets moved.
that way we will have a good stock of metal and cast plastic parts on
hand. Hopefully, we can clean and repaint all the machinery before it
is put back to work. My main jobs will be moving the computers and
telephone system, and wiring the machines. Most of the existing work
benches are to be replaced, to take advantage of the square shape of the
manufacturing floor.

There are already two large three phase compressors in place so that
will save some work. We will move the three they are using right now,
and plumb them in for standby service after everything else is done. I
want to take a lot of pictures of both locations, if I have the time.

Im slow at the moment..fly me out there and Ill have the shop moved in a
week, and up and running by the end of the second.

Ill give yall a serious discount on my fees too.

Or call me with questions and I can help. Shrug


That will all be up to the owners, Gunner. We did a major reset of
the place & expanded the offices about three years ago. Like you, the
owner is owed a lot of favors, and hopes to collect on a few. I've
tracked down the building from their description. It is two miles away,
according to Google maps. The building is empty, but already wired for a
computer network and has a supposedly working phone system so that part
should only take a few hours of my time to have ready. They are also
going to uses as many of their employees as they can, rather than force
them to use a couple weeks of their vacation time. The electrical
wiring is up to date, and the building is about 25 years old, with a
major remodel about 10 years ago. (It's handy to have access to the
county property database)

They will be looking for more tools and machines early next year for
a few new products that are ready to manufacture. In fact, I'm trying
to track down a supplier of the plastic levelers they want to use. I've
never seen any exactly like these. A plastic base with a 1/4-20 threaded
stem. The base is 1" black octagonal and about 5/16" thick. The
threaded stem is about 1-5/8" long. They want to use a round threaded
inset to go into the end of some 7/8" O/D/ aluminum tubing. The insert
is 5/8" O.D. and 7/8" long. All I've ever used were steel, some with a
rubber shock between the pad and the shaft.


http://home.earthlink.net/~michaelat.../DSCF0075a.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~michaelat.../DSCF0079a.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~michaelat.../DSCF0080a.JPG

I've told them about you already, and suggested that they run their
shopping list past you.

Another project will be some large steel racks to hold several tons
of different colors of Vinyl they sew the canopies out of. It will
require a custom lift as well, to put the rolls onto the racks. They
will be positioned so that you can pull the vinyl sheet between the
rolls in front, for the least popular or obsolete colors. Other than
black or white, the suppliers change the available colors of vinyl a
couple times a year.


--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:57:18 -0500, jeff wrote:

On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:48:50 +0100, "Uffe Bærentsen"
wrote:


"Pete Keillor" skrev i en meddelelse
. ..

Below are links to a few photos I took of getting my stuff out of the
basement in Michigan. It was way too exciting, especially when I
pulled the TM mill base up. The cast iron pan makes it very top
heavy, so it would have flipped backwards except for the winch cable.

http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move.txt
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_1.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_2.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_3.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_4.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_5.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_6.jpg

Nice pic's that gives inspiration.

Having a look at your pic's got me puzzled.
What SB lathe model do you have there?
The top cover of the main spindle does not look like any other that I've
seen pictures of.
Is it right that it has some kind of tray on top of the cover?


I'm thinking that its a Rockwell 14"

Only the 11". Thanks for all the comments. Prior posts a few years
ago was the germ of the plan. Hope it helps somebody else down the
road. That's one of the attractions of this group.

Pete Keillor

On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:48:50 +0100, "Uffe Bærentsen"
wrote:


"Pete Keillor" skrev i en meddelelse
.. .

Below are links to a few photos I took of getting my stuff out of the
basement in Michigan. It was way too exciting, especially when I
pulled the TM mill base up. The cast iron pan makes it very top
heavy, so it would have flipped backwards except for the winch cable.

http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move.txt
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_1.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_2.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_3.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_4.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_5.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_6.jpg

Nice pic's that gives inspiration.

Having a look at your pic's got me puzzled.
What SB lathe model do you have there?
The top cover of the main spindle does not look like any other that I've
seen pictures of.
Is it right that it has some kind of tray on top of the cover?

Next poster was close, 11" Delta-Rockwell. Yes, there's a tray on the
cover. It's my first and only lathe. Over time I've acquired steady,
follower rests, and taper attachment. I like it. Economics suggested
I sell the whole mess to avoid moving expenses, but time to sell (not
much) and the fact that I like it said keep it. I hope to have it set
up soon.

Pete Keillor

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:20:25 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:12:06 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:

Very nicely done Pete. I had some flashbacks when reviewing the photos.
I grew up in Michigan and put a ham shack in a basement once or twice.
When Dad and I built our house in '70, we made the stairs to the
basement wider than normal because we both had moved stuff up and down
stairs many times..and hated it.

You do very nice work with good planning.

Well done!


I may be moving a friend's business in December. About 4,000 Sq.
feet of manufacturing and 1,500 Sq. feet of offices and storage. We are
supposed to meet next week for the planning and spend some time
measuring the new location. Their bridgeport will be one of the
heaviest to move, but not the worst job. Several large cutting and
sewing tables for vinyl have to be taken apart, moved and put back
together. (About 30 feet long) We will have to move everything, and be
ready for business in exactly two weeks. They make a couple different
types of canopies used at art shows. Every item is custom assembled.
If the move goes ahead, they will keep the metalworking part running at
the old location while the vinyl fabrication and assembly gets moved.
that way we will have a good stock of metal and cast plastic parts on
hand. Hopefully, we can clean and repaint all the machinery before it
is put back to work. My main jobs will be moving the computers and
telephone system, and wiring the machines. Most of the existing work
benches are to be replaced, to take advantage of the square shape of the
manufacturing floor.

There are already two large three phase compressors in place so that
will save some work. We will move the three they are using right now,
and plumb them in for standby service after everything else is done. I
want to take a lot of pictures of both locations, if I have the time.

Im slow at the moment..fly me out there and Ill have the shop moved in a
week, and up and running by the end of the second.

Ill give yall a serious discount on my fees too.

Or call me with questions and I can help. Shrug


That will all be up to the owners, Gunner. We did a major reset of
the place & expanded the offices about three years ago. Like you, the
owner is owed a lot of favors, and hopes to collect on a few. I've
tracked down the building from their description. It is two miles away,
according to Google maps. The building is empty, but already wired for a
computer network and has a supposedly working phone system so that part
should only take a few hours of my time to have ready. They are also
going to uses as many of their employees as they can, rather than force
them to use a couple weeks of their vacation time. The electrical
wiring is up to date, and the building is about 25 years old, with a
major remodel about 10 years ago. (It's handy to have access to the
county property database)

They will be looking for more tools and machines early next year for
a few new products that are ready to manufacture. In fact, I'm trying
to track down a supplier of the plastic levelers they want to use. I've
never seen any exactly like these. A plastic base with a 1/4-20 threaded
stem. The base is 1" black octagonal and about 5/16" thick. The
threaded stem is about 1-5/8" long. They want to use a round threaded
inset to go into the end of some 7/8" O/D/ aluminum tubing. The insert
is 5/8" O.D. and 7/8" long. All I've ever used were steel, some with a
rubber shock between the pad and the shaft.


http://home.earthlink.net/~michaelat.../DSCF0075a.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~michaelat.../DSCF0079a.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~michaelat.../DSCF0080a.JPG

I've told them about you already, and suggested that they run their
shopping list past you.

Another project will be some large steel racks to hold several tons
of different colors of Vinyl they sew the canopies out of. It will
require a custom lift as well, to put the rolls onto the racks. They
will be positioned so that you can pull the vinyl sheet between the
rolls in front, for the least popular or obsolete colors. Other than
black or white, the suppliers change the available colors of vinyl a
couple times a year.


For the feet and adapters..McMaster Carr

http://www.mcmaster.com/#machine-feet/=4f9fxu

Page 1356

Those should do the job for you.

If you want lighter versions...1349
and the tube adapters on 1356

As for holding the vinyl...one can lay them on shelves, or stand them up
on posts welded to plates..and one simply moves a table around and
spools off what they need.

There are some motor operated racking systems out there as surplus..and
surprisingly cheap.

Similar to this...

http://www.nauticexpo.com/prod/eastm...99-185731.html

They can be had in many many roll, serpentine systems. One simply puts a
cutting table in front of the roll system and presses a button until the
proper material comes up.

Ive seen them go for less than $5k as factories shut down.

Gunner



"IMHO, some people here give Jeff far more attention than he deserves,
but obviously craves. The most appropriate response, and perhaps the
cruelest, IMO, is to simply killfile and ignore him. An alternative, if
you must, would be to post the same standard reply to his every post,
listing the manifold reasons why he ought to be ignored. Just my $0.02
worth."

On Nov 9, 2:05 am, Pete Keillor wrote:
We just moved from Midland, Michigan to Georgetown, Texas. I had a
lot of stuff in the basement in Midland which had to come out.

I'm a long way from having a shop set back up, but at least the number
of boxes in the new house is down significantly. Later this week,
I'll get a storage unit and move a bunch of stuff out of the garage
until we build a place for my son and shop behind the house. That'll
get me room to maneuver.

Below are links to a few photos I took of getting my stuff out of the
basement in Michigan. It was way too exciting, especially when I
pulled the TM mill base up. The cast iron pan makes it very top
heavy, so it would have flipped backwards except for the winch cable.

http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Mach...ine_Move_6.jpg

My brother flew up to help. At first I screwed a block to the ramp
for the winch cable to ride on. It shattered as soon as the ferrule
on the hook hit it. We changed it to a cheap pulley with bushing
pillow blocks. That worked o.k.

The loads we pulled were lathe, lathe cabinet (pictured), mill column,
mill cabinet, and Jet 16-1/2 drill press. No damage was inflicted to
house walls or floor, only the occasional small cut or banged knuckle
to us.

I'm glad that's over.

Pete Keillor

mmm... your one of those smart *******s that actually thinks about how
to do a thing rather than just rush in. Well done, some good solutions
to a tricky problem(s) there...certainly beats some of my efforts
involving car jacks, bricks, and phone books (been lucky so far, so
your ideas will certainly go in the rememberium) Getting my lathe into
the workshop involved some acts of gross stupidity....
Andrew VK3BFA.

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:20:25 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:12:06 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:

Very nicely done Pete. I had some flashbacks when reviewing the photos.
I grew up in Michigan and put a ham shack in a basement once or twice.
When Dad and I built our house in '70, we made the stairs to the
basement wider than normal because we both had moved stuff up and down
stairs many times..and hated it.

You do very nice work with good planning.

Well done!


I may be moving a friend's business in December. About 4,000 Sq.
feet of manufacturing and 1,500 Sq. feet of offices and storage. We are
supposed to meet next week for the planning and spend some time
measuring the new location. Their bridgeport will be one of the
heaviest to move, but not the worst job. Several large cutting and
sewing tables for vinyl have to be taken apart, moved and put back
together. (About 30 feet long) We will have to move everything, and be
ready for business in exactly two weeks. They make a couple different
types of canopies used at art shows. Every item is custom assembled.
If the move goes ahead, they will keep the metalworking part running at
the old location while the vinyl fabrication and assembly gets moved.
that way we will have a good stock of metal and cast plastic parts on
hand. Hopefully, we can clean and repaint all the machinery before it
is put back to work. My main jobs will be moving the computers and
telephone system, and wiring the machines. Most of the existing work
benches are to be replaced, to take advantage of the square shape of the
manufacturing floor.

There are already two large three phase compressors in place so that
will save some work. We will move the three they are using right now,
and plumb them in for standby service after everything else is done. I
want to take a lot of pictures of both locations, if I have the time.

Im slow at the moment..fly me out there and Ill have the shop moved in a
week, and up and running by the end of the second.

Ill give yall a serious discount on my fees too.

Or call me with questions and I can help. Shrug


That will all be up to the owners, Gunner. We did a major reset of
the place & expanded the offices about three years ago. Like you, the
owner is owed a lot of favors, and hopes to collect on a few. I've
tracked down the building from their description. It is two miles away,
according to Google maps. The building is empty, but already wired for a
computer network and has a supposedly working phone system so that part
should only take a few hours of my time to have ready. They are also
going to uses as many of their employees as they can, rather than force
them to use a couple weeks of their vacation time. The electrical
wiring is up to date, and the building is about 25 years old, with a
major remodel about 10 years ago. (It's handy to have access to the
county property database)

They will be looking for more tools and machines early next year for
a few new products that are ready to manufacture. In fact, I'm trying
to track down a supplier of the plastic levelers they want to use. I've
never seen any exactly like these. A plastic base with a 1/4-20 threaded
stem. The base is 1" black octagonal and about 5/16" thick. The
threaded stem is about 1-5/8" long. They want to use a round threaded
inset to go into the end of some 7/8" O/D/ aluminum tubing. The insert
is 5/8" O.D. and 7/8" long. All I've ever used were steel, some with a
rubber shock between the pad and the shaft.


http://home.earthlink.net/~michaelat.../DSCF0075a.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~michaelat.../DSCF0079a.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~michaelat.../DSCF0080a.JPG

I've told them about you already, and suggested that they run their
shopping list past you.

Another project will be some large steel racks to hold several tons
of different colors of Vinyl they sew the canopies out of. It will
require a custom lift as well, to put the rolls onto the racks. They
will be positioned so that you can pull the vinyl sheet between the
rolls in front, for the least popular or obsolete colors. Other than
black or white, the suppliers change the available colors of vinyl a
couple times a year.

For the feet and adapters..McMaster Carr

http://www.mcmaster.com/#machine-feet/=4f9fxu

Page 1356

Those should do the job for you.

If you want lighter versions...1349
and the tube adapters on 1356


McMaster Carr was the first place they looked. Nothing small enough
to fit the design. It is a heavy duty aluminum version of a director's
chair to go with their art show canopies, but thanks for trying. The
frame is all 7/8" round aluminum tube.


As for holding the vinyl...one can lay them on shelves, or stand them up
on posts welded to plates..and one simply moves a table around and
spools off what they need.


Full rolls are up to 500 pounds and very easy to damage. That's why
they want to put them on racks. Like a scaled down version of the ones
used for carpet or vinyl flooring.


There are some motor operated racking systems out there as surplus..and
surprisingly cheap.

Similar to this...

http://www.nauticexpo.com/prod/eastm...99-185731.html

They can be had in many many roll, serpentine systems. One simply puts a
cutting table in front of the roll system and presses a button until the
proper material comes up.

Ive seen them go for less than $5k as factories shut down.


Thanks. I haven't seen anything like that around here, but the mobile
rack is similar to what I had in mind. (The sixth item on that page.)


I showed them how to access this newsgroup, but they clicked on some
of Cliffie and hawkie's mindless drivel and told me they weren't going
to waste their time with the fools on this group. That's too bad,
because they are always running into deals on things they don't need.
If they don't need something they don't bother with it, unless they know
someone who is looking for it.



--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!

On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:18:37 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:20:25 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:12:06 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:

Very nicely done Pete. I had some flashbacks when reviewing the photos.
I grew up in Michigan and put a ham shack in a basement once or twice.
When Dad and I built our house in '70, we made the stairs to the
basement wider than normal because we both had moved stuff up and down
stairs many times..and hated it.

You do very nice work with good planning.

Well done!


I may be moving a friend's business in December. About 4,000 Sq.
feet of manufacturing and 1,500 Sq. feet of offices and storage. We are
supposed to meet next week for the planning and spend some time
measuring the new location. Their bridgeport will be one of the
heaviest to move, but not the worst job. Several large cutting and
sewing tables for vinyl have to be taken apart, moved and put back
together. (About 30 feet long) We will have to move everything, and be
ready for business in exactly two weeks. They make a couple different
types of canopies used at art shows. Every item is custom assembled.
If the move goes ahead, they will keep the metalworking part running at
the old location while the vinyl fabrication and assembly gets moved.
that way we will have a good stock of metal and cast plastic parts on
hand. Hopefully, we can clean and repaint all the machinery before it
is put back to work. My main jobs will be moving the computers and
telephone system, and wiring the machines. Most of the existing work
benches are to be replaced, to take advantage of the square shape of the
manufacturing floor.

There are already two large three phase compressors in place so that
will save some work. We will move the three they are using right now,
and plumb them in for standby service after everything else is done. I
want to take a lot of pictures of both locations, if I have the time.

Im slow at the moment..fly me out there and Ill have the shop moved in a
week, and up and running by the end of the second.

Ill give yall a serious discount on my fees too.

Or call me with questions and I can help. Shrug


That will all be up to the owners, Gunner. We did a major reset of
the place & expanded the offices about three years ago. Like you, the
owner is owed a lot of favors, and hopes to collect on a few. I've
tracked down the building from their description. It is two miles away,
according to Google maps. The building is empty, but already wired for a
computer network and has a supposedly working phone system so that part
should only take a few hours of my time to have ready. They are also
going to uses as many of their employees as they can, rather than force
them to use a couple weeks of their vacation time. The electrical
wiring is up to date, and the building is about 25 years old, with a
major remodel about 10 years ago. (It's handy to have access to the
county property database)

They will be looking for more tools and machines early next year for
a few new products that are ready to manufacture. In fact, I'm trying
to track down a supplier of the plastic levelers they want to use. I've
never seen any exactly like these. A plastic base with a 1/4-20 threaded
stem. The base is 1" black octagonal and about 5/16" thick. The
threaded stem is about 1-5/8" long. They want to use a round threaded
inset to go into the end of some 7/8" O/D/ aluminum tubing. The insert
is 5/8" O.D. and 7/8" long. All I've ever used were steel, some with a
rubber shock between the pad and the shaft.


http://home.earthlink.net/~michaelat.../DSCF0075a.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~michaelat.../DSCF0079a.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~michaelat.../DSCF0080a.JPG

I've told them about you already, and suggested that they run their
shopping list past you.

Another project will be some large steel racks to hold several tons
of different colors of Vinyl they sew the canopies out of. It will
require a custom lift as well, to put the rolls onto the racks. They
will be positioned so that you can pull the vinyl sheet between the
rolls in front, for the least popular or obsolete colors. Other than
black or white, the suppliers change the available colors of vinyl a
couple times a year.

For the feet and adapters..McMaster Carr

http://www.mcmaster.com/#machine-feet/=4f9fxu

Page 1356

Those should do the job for you.

If you want lighter versions...1349
and the tube adapters on 1356


McMaster Carr was the first place they looked. Nothing small enough
to fit the design. It is a heavy duty aluminum version of a director's
chair to go with their art show canopies, but thanks for trying. The
frame is all 7/8" round aluminum tube.

30 seconds on a lathe will make the inserts the right size. Shrug

If not..check...

http://www.rosshandling.co.uk/tube-inserts.asp

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=331125

http://www.component-force.co.uk/en/...rts---threaded

http://www.levelingmounts.com/groups/




As for holding the vinyl...one can lay them on shelves, or stand them up
on posts welded to plates..and one simply moves a table around and
spools off what they need.


Full rolls are up to 500 pounds and very easy to damage. That's why
they want to put them on racks. Like a scaled down version of the ones
used for carpet or vinyl flooring.


There are some motor operated racking systems out there as surplus..and
surprisingly cheap.

Similar to this...

http://www.nauticexpo.com/prod/eastm...99-185731.html

They can be had in many many roll, serpentine systems. One simply puts a
cutting table in front of the roll system and presses a button until the
proper material comes up.

Ive seen them go for less than $5k as factories shut down.


Thanks. I haven't seen anything like that around here, but the mobile
rack is similar to what I had in mind. (The sixth item on that page.)

http://img.nauticexpo.com/images_ne/...rds-185732.jpg

Those are very easy to make. Shrug..square tubing, surplus wheels, mig
welder and a cut off saw.. Probably $100 in materials each. And you can
make em custom. Welding them up is no biggy, simple jig out of 2x4s and
voila..shrug. Take maybe 20 minutes to put one together and weld it once
someone gets the swing of things.

Id make em a bit differently in construction..but along the same lines.

Gunner



I showed them how to access this newsgroup, but they clicked on some
of Cliffie and hawkie's mindless drivel and told me they weren't going
to waste their time with the fools on this group. That's too bad,
because they are always running into deals on things they don't need.
If they don't need something they don't bother with it, unless they know
someone who is looking for it.

Shrug..post the deals here, and get a cut of the pie.

Gunner

"IMHO, some people here give Jeff far more attention than he deserves,
but obviously craves. The most appropriate response, and perhaps the
cruelest, IMO, is to simply killfile and ignore him. An alternative, if
you must, would be to post the same standard reply to his every post,
listing the manifold reasons why he ought to be ignored. Just my $0.02
worth."

Pete Keillor wrote:
We just moved from Midland, Michigan to Georgetown, Texas. I had a
lot of stuff in the basement in Midland which had to come out.

I'm a long way from having a shop set back up, but at least the number
of boxes in the new house is down significantly. Later this week,
I'll get a storage unit and move a bunch of stuff out of the garage
until we build a place for my son and shop behind the house. That'll
get me room to maneuver.

Below are links to a few photos I took of getting my stuff out of the
basement in Michigan. It was way too exciting, especially when I
pulled the TM mill base up. The cast iron pan makes it very top
heavy, so it would have flipped backwards except for the winch cable.

http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move.txt
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_1.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_2.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_3.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_4.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_5.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_6.jpg

My brother flew up to help. At first I screwed a block to the ramp
for the winch cable to ride on. It shattered as soon as the ferrule
on the hook hit it. We changed it to a cheap pulley with bushing
pillow blocks. That worked o.k.

The loads we pulled were lathe, lathe cabinet (pictured), mill column,
mill cabinet, and Jet 16-1/2 drill press. No damage was inflicted to
house walls or floor, only the occasional small cut or banged knuckle
to us.

I'm glad that's over.

Pete Keillor

Pete - Welcome to Texas

Rex B
fort Worth

On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:35:23 -0600, RBnDFW
wrote:

Pete Keillor wrote:
We just moved from Midland, Michigan to Georgetown, Texas. I had a
lot of stuff in the basement in Midland which had to come out.

I'm a long way from having a shop set back up, but at least the number
of boxes in the new house is down significantly. Later this week,
I'll get a storage unit and move a bunch of stuff out of the garage
until we build a place for my son and shop behind the house. That'll
get me room to maneuver.

Below are links to a few photos I took of getting my stuff out of the
basement in Michigan. It was way too exciting, especially when I
pulled the TM mill base up. The cast iron pan makes it very top
heavy, so it would have flipped backwards except for the winch cable.

http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move.txt
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_1.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_2.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_3.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_4.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_5.jpg
http://metalworking.com/dropbox/Machine_Move_6.jpg

My brother flew up to help. At first I screwed a block to the ramp
for the winch cable to ride on. It shattered as soon as the ferrule
on the hook hit it. We changed it to a cheap pulley with bushing
pillow blocks. That worked o.k.

The loads we pulled were lathe, lathe cabinet (pictured), mill column,
mill cabinet, and Jet 16-1/2 drill press. No damage was inflicted to
house walls or floor, only the occasional small cut or banged knuckle
to us.

I'm glad that's over.

Pete Keillor

Pete - Welcome to Texas

Rex B
fort Worth

Thanks. Glad to be back.

Pete

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:18:37 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:20:25 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:12:06 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


Gunner Asch wrote:

Very nicely done Pete. I had some flashbacks when reviewing the photos.
I grew up in Michigan and put a ham shack in a basement once or twice.
When Dad and I built our house in '70, we made the stairs to the
basement wider than normal because we both had moved stuff up and down
stairs many times..and hated it.

You do very nice work with good planning.

Well done!


I may be moving a friend's business in December. About 4,000 Sq.
feet of manufacturing and 1,500 Sq. feet of offices and storage. We are
supposed to meet next week for the planning and spend some time
measuring the new location. Their bridgeport will be one of the
heaviest to move, but not the worst job. Several large cutting and
sewing tables for vinyl have to be taken apart, moved and put back
together. (About 30 feet long) We will have to move everything, and be
ready for business in exactly two weeks. They make a couple different
types of canopies used at art shows. Every item is custom assembled.
If the move goes ahead, they will keep the metalworking part running at
the old location while the vinyl fabrication and assembly gets moved.
that way we will have a good stock of metal and cast plastic parts on
hand. Hopefully, we can clean and repaint all the machinery before it
is put back to work. My main jobs will be moving the computers and
telephone system, and wiring the machines. Most of the existing work
benches are to be replaced, to take advantage of the square shape of the
manufacturing floor.

There are already two large three phase compressors in place so that
will save some work. We will move the three they are using right now,
and plumb them in for standby service after everything else is done. I
want to take a lot of pictures of both locations, if I have the time.

Im slow at the moment..fly me out there and Ill have the shop moved in a
week, and up and running by the end of the second.

Ill give yall a serious discount on my fees too.


I would, if it were up to me. I just do some free consulting, and
troubleshoot problems for them.


Or call me with questions and I can help. Shrug


Will do, but any calls will probably be for tooling.



That will all be up to the owners, Gunner. We did a major reset of
the place & expanded the offices about three years ago. Like you, the
owner is owed a lot of favors, and hopes to collect on a few. I've
tracked down the building from their description. It is two miles away,
according to Google maps. The building is empty, but already wired for a
computer network and has a supposedly working phone system so that part
should only take a few hours of my time to have ready. They are also
going to uses as many of their employees as they can, rather than force
them to use a couple weeks of their vacation time. The electrical
wiring is up to date, and the building is about 25 years old, with a
major remodel about 10 years ago. (It's handy to have access to the
county property database)

They will be looking for more tools and machines early next year for
a few new products that are ready to manufacture. In fact, I'm trying
to track down a supplier of the plastic levelers they want to use. I've
never seen any exactly like these. A plastic base with a 1/4-20 threaded
stem. The base is 1" black octagonal and about 5/16" thick. The
threaded stem is about 1-5/8" long. They want to use a round threaded
inset to go into the end of some 7/8" O/D/ aluminum tubing. The insert
is 5/8" O.D. and 7/8" long. All I've ever used were steel, some with a
rubber shock between the pad and the shaft.


http://home.earthlink.net/~michaelat.../DSCF0075a.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~michaelat.../DSCF0079a.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~michaelat.../DSCF0080a.JPG

I've told them about you already, and suggested that they run their
shopping list past you.

Another project will be some large steel racks to hold several tons
of different colors of Vinyl they sew the canopies out of. It will
require a custom lift as well, to put the rolls onto the racks. They
will be positioned so that you can pull the vinyl sheet between the
rolls in front, for the least popular or obsolete colors. Other than
black or white, the suppliers change the available colors of vinyl a
couple times a year.

For the feet and adapters..McMaster Carr

http://www.mcmaster.com/#machine-feet/=4f9fxu

Page 1356

Those should do the job for you.

If you want lighter versions...1349
and the tube adapters on 1356


McMaster Carr was the first place they looked. Nothing small enough
to fit the design. It is a heavy duty aluminum version of a director's
chair to go with their art show canopies, but thanks for trying. The
frame is all 7/8" round aluminum tube.

30 seconds on a lathe will make the inserts the right size. Shrug


Their customers are all artists and very picky. A lot of them
dismantle the folding items to save a few cubic inches. They examine
everything before they pay for it, and I doubt government inspects would
reject as many things. It's all about appearance at art shows.


If not..check...

http://www.rosshandling.co.uk/tube-inserts.asp

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=331125

http://www.component-force.co.uk/en/...rts---threaded

http://www.levelingmounts.com/groups/

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This may be a winner for the leveler. It looks like the have the
exact item. I will forward this to them so they can see if it is still
stocked . That page hasn't been updated in over five years.

As for holding the vinyl...one can lay them on shelves, or stand them up
on posts welded to plates..and one simply moves a table around and
spools off what they need.


Full rolls are up to 500 pounds and very easy to damage. That's why
they want to put them on racks. Like a scaled down version of the ones
used for carpet or vinyl flooring.


There are some motor operated racking systems out there as surplus..and
surprisingly cheap.

Similar to this...

http://www.nauticexpo.com/prod/eastm...99-185731.html

They can be had in many many roll, serpentine systems. One simply puts a
cutting table in front of the roll system and presses a button until the
proper material comes up.

Ive seen them go for less than $5k as factories shut down.


Thanks. I haven't seen anything like that around here, but the mobile
rack is similar to what I had in mind. (The sixth item on that page.)

http://img.nauticexpo.com/images_ne/...rds-185732.jpg

Those are very easy to make. Shrug..square tubing, surplus wheels, mig
welder and a cut off saw.. Probably $100 in materials each. And you can
make em custom. Welding them up is no biggy, simple jig out of 2x4s and
voila..shrug. Take maybe 20 minutes to put one together and weld it once
someone gets the swing of things.

I'd make em a bit differently in construction..but along the same lines.


I agree. They want to bolt them to the floor and add a cross brace
along both sides, at the top. that will make it harder to load the top
slots, but some of the assemblers are little old ladies who would get
hurt if the whole thing could move. Some places that wouldn't sell drops
or order what you want are desperate these days, and are willing to work
with people. I like the motorized version, but between the down
payment on the building and moving expenses they will be cash poor for a
few months. The mortgage payment on the larger building is about the
same as the rent on the three units they are in, right now. The
building was used to make surge suppressors for communications equipment
and has a large room at the rear that has steel walls where they did
destructive testing. They are looking at using it for a welding shop.


I showed them how to access this newsgroup, but they clicked on some
of Cliffie and hawkie's mindless drivel and told me they weren't going
to waste their time with the fools on this group. That's too bad,
because they are always running into deals on things they don't need.
If they don't need something they don't bother with it, unless they know
someone who is looking for it.

Shrug..post the deals here, and get a cut of the pie.


I've been after them to do that for over two years. I usually hear
about something, right after it's gone. Most of it goes to other
friends of his, in exchange for things they need, even if they don't
make a cent on it. They had a huge lathe given to them a while back.
He hauled it to the scrap yard before I could get a good look at it. It
was almost 20 feet long and would have filled a bay in my garage. I
could have hd it for the crap price, but couldn't afford to move it, at
the time. I only found out about it, because their offices and machine
shop were broken into, along with six other businesses in the complex.
The idiots cut phone & network cables in an attempt to disable burglar
alarms.

Thanks for your help, Gunner. I had already crawled over fifty
websites looking for the style & size leveler they want. I found a
source for a similar threaded insert but small levelers just didn't show
up. A few smooth metal bottomed gliders, but they would be an accident
waiting to happen. If these sell well, they will probably ship about
100 a year, for a few years. that would be about 400 sets of inserts &
levelers a year.

--
The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!