"John R. Carroll" wrote:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...eaves-new-york

I saw that. Wonder if Jon would say that if Rush was standing there next to him?

Poor Jon, he really misses GWB. Lucky Rush, he has Obama. Ah the tides of change are bad
for one, and good for another.

Wes
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"John R. Carroll" wrote:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...eaves-new-york

I saw that. Wonder if Jon would say that if Rush was standing there next
to him?

Probably the same. You must have missed Jim Cramer's appearance on Stewart's
show.
I doubt Rush would make an appearance. There isn't anything for him to gain
form it, certainly not audience share, and Rush doesn't do anything unless
there is a pay day in it for him. The only people that care much about being
castigated by Rush are the Republican leadership. Well, the Demo's love Rush
as well but only because the cowering of Republicans in the face of his
comments will keep them heading down hill until they toss his breed out.
Limbaugh's audience won't stand for that as they seem to be kept in a state
of constant arrousal. 2010 ought to be interesting.


Poor Jon, he really misses GWB. Lucky Rush, he has Obama. Ah the tides
of change are bad
for one, and good for another.

GM will be filing for bankruptcy in Federal court and GMAC, being a bank,
will be taken over by the FDIC within 60 days Wes.
That is my guess anyway. Chrysler will just be Fiat's new US distributor
although Tata would be a better fit in my opinion. Fiat will just make a
messy end to them.

I don't think anyone misses Bush. His years in office are a gift that will
keep on giving for an entire generation. You are correct about Limbaugh
being lucky. He's knocking down $38 million a year in the midst of all of
this turmoil. The next time you are in Detroit take a drive down Woodward
and have a look at the church that Father Coughlin built during the last go
round. It was paid for by a former crop of ditto heads who'd donated their
money to another radio personality.



JC

"John R. Carroll" wrote:


"Wes" wrote in message
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"John R. Carroll" wrote:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...eaves-new-york

I saw that. Wonder if Jon would say that if Rush was standing there next
to him?

Probably the same. You must have missed Jim Cramer's appearance on Stewart's
show.

I saw that. Jim Cramer's next appearance will likely be on Jerry Springer. I hate to see
a man grovel.

I doubt Rush would make an appearance. There isn't anything for him to gain
form it, certainly not audience share, and Rush doesn't do anything unless
there is a pay day in it for him. The only people that care much about being
castigated by Rush are the Republican leadership. Well, the Demo's love Rush
as well but only because the cowering of Republicans in the face of his
comments will keep them heading down hill until they toss his breed out.
Limbaugh's audience won't stand for that as they seem to be kept in a state
of constant arrousal. 2010 ought to be interesting.

Rush would be giving something to Jon Stewart, that isn't going to happen.

Well I'm going to disagree on the last part. Republicans didn't act like republicans
during the last few years. We are more ****ed at our own party than the democrats are.

Some of us think the Republican party should stand for less federal government and more
freedom. A mix of conservatives, libertarians that are doing libertarian lite, and some
Ayn Rand Objectivists.



Poor Jon, he really misses GWB. Lucky Rush, he has Obama. Ah the tides
of change are bad
for one, and good for another.

GM will be filing for bankruptcy in Federal court and GMAC, being a bank,
will be taken over by the FDIC within 60 days Wes.
That is my guess anyway. Chrysler will just be Fiat's new US distributor
although Tata would be a better fit in my opinion. Fiat will just make a
messy end to them.

I'm still suprised that GM is standing. I work for a supplier to GM and other automotive
and truck groups. We have a market cap of ~3.0B, GM's is ~1.4B . For a company the size
of GM that is shallow pulse, gray skin, irregular breathing. I thought it would have
failed last month.


Poor Chrysler, they tried to have a healthy balance sheet, were targeted by Kirk Kerkorian
iirc, swallowed by Daimler and basically screwed over for trying to run a biz with a
conservative balance sheet. I have more sympathy for Chrysler than GM.

I don't think anyone misses Bush. His years in office are a gift that will
keep on giving for an entire generation. You are correct about Limbaugh
being lucky. He's knocking down $38 million a year in the midst of all of
this turmoil. The next time you are in Detroit take a drive down Woodward
and have a look at the church that Father Coughlin built during the last go
round. It was paid for by a former crop of ditto heads who'd donated their
money to another radio personality.


Bush can be blamed only so long. Consider the dems have controlled both houses for over
two years. All spending come out of the house so they own a piece of this mess. Dodd is
looking bad, I doubt he can win re-election.

Obama is still feeling his way. I see that banks that want to pay back TARP funds are not
being allowed to. That bothers me. Bush forced it on some of them, Obama won't let them
get from under ex-post facto regulation.

I stay out of Detroit as much as possible now. I really don't miss my trips to Inkster
when working at my old job. Most recent job has HQ in Auburn Hills, never been to the hq
but I've driven by heading to Fanuc Robotics.

Who was that 'another' radio peronality?

Off to bed,

Wes

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"John R. Carroll" wrote:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...eaves-new-york

I saw that. Wonder if Jon would say that if Rush was standing there next to him?

Poor Jon, he really misses GWB. Lucky Rush, he has Obama. Ah the tides of change are bad
for one, and good for another.

2 points, sir! SNORT

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Losing faith in humanity, one person at a time.

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"John R. Carroll" wrote:


"Wes" wrote in message
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"John R. Carroll" wrote:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...eaves-new-york

I saw that. Wonder if Jon would say that if Rush was standing there
next
to him?

Probably the same. You must have missed Jim Cramer's appearance on
Stewart's
show.

I saw that. Jim Cramer's next appearance will likely be on Jerry
Springer.

He's still got "Mad Money" on a daily basis.

I don't think anyone misses Bush. His years in office are a gift that will
keep on giving for an entire generation. You are correct about Limbaugh
being lucky. He's knocking down $38 million a year in the midst of all of
this turmoil. The next time you are in Detroit take a drive down Woodward
and have a look at the church that Father Coughlin built during the last
go
round. It was paid for by a former crop of ditto heads who'd donated their
money to another radio personality.


Bush can be blamed only so long. Consider the dems have controlled both
houses for over
two years. All spending come out of the house so they own a piece of this
mess. Dodd is
looking bad, I doubt he can win re-election.

Obama is still feeling his way. I see that banks that want to pay back
TARP funds are not
being allowed to.

One of them just did exactly that Wes.

Who was that 'another' radio peronality?

In comparison, Rush Limbaugh is a piker Wes.

Charles Edward Coughlin, the son of third generation Irish immigrants, was
born in Hamilton, Canada, on 25th October, 1891. After graduating from St.
Michael's College in Toronto, he studied for the priesthood at St. Basil's
Seminary and was ordained in 1916.

During his training Coughlin was deeply influenced by the encyclical On the
Condition of the Working Class, published by Pope Leo XIII in 1891. In this
document the Pope called for far-reaching reforms to create a more just
society in order to counter the growing support for Socialism in the world.

After assisting in several parishes in the Detroit area, Coughlin was
assigned to the new Shrine of the Little Flower Church in Royal Oak,
Michigan in 1926. At the time the parish only had 25 families, but Coughlin
was such a popular preacher he was later able to build a church to hold 600
people.

On 3rd October 1926 he started a weekly broadcast over the local radio
station. Initially, the broadcast was intended for children but it gradually
changed to adult topics and Coughlin began expressing his views on the need
for social reform. The Ku Klux Klan, upset by his views, arranged for a
blazing cross planted on the lawn. However, he was very popular with most
people and within four years CBS was broadcasting Coughlin's radio programme
throughout the nation.

Coughlin was highly critical of the government in the Soviet Union. He
argued that the communist government had made divorce very easy and claimed
these anti-family ideas were spreading to the United States. Coughlin called
this process the "Bolshevism of America". He pointed out that more than two
million men and women had obtained divorces in the last ten years and people
had therefore "scorned the basic family and national doctrine of Jesus
Christ."

Coughlin warned of the dangers of "socialism, communism, and kindred
fallacious social and economic theories". Like Pope Leo XIII, Coughlin
believed the best way of combating the appeal of these ideologies was the
introduction of reforms that would make America a more equal society. This
included industrialists paying their workers a "just and living wage" and
"providing old age compensation insurance." He also denounced the greed and
corruption of America's industrialists and warned about the dangers of the
"concentration of wealth in the hands of the few."

Coughlin developed a reputation for being an expert on the growth of the
Communist Party in the United States and in July 1930, Hamilton Fish invited
him to appear before the House of Representatives Committee to Investigate
Communist Activities. Coughlin took the opportunity to criticize left-wing
groups in America but he shocked the Committee by also attacking leading
industrialists such as Henry Ford.

At this time Coughlin began to criticize the government of President Herbert
Hoover. CBS, concerned by this development, warned him to "tone down" his
broadcasts. When Coughlin refused, CBS decided not to renew his contract
when it expired in April 1931. Coughlin responded by organizing his own
radio network which eventually grew to over 30 stations.

During the 1932 presidential election, Coughlin advocated that his listeners
should vote for Franklin D. Roosevelt. After the election Coughlin gave his
support to Roosevelt's New Deal. He continued with his radio broadcasts
where he advocated the nationalization of gold and the revaluation of the
dollar. Coughlin continued to be extremely popular and the first edition of
his complete radio discourses, published in 1933, quickly sold over a
million copies.

In 1935 Coughlin started a campaign to restructure the Federal Reserve
System and urged Roosevelt to take full government control over the nation's
banking system and to establish a Central Bank. Coughlin also became
involved in trade unions. He established the Automotive Industrial Workers
Association (AIWA) in Detroit in direct competition with the more radical
United Auto Workers. Coughlin also joined Huey Long in the campaign to
persuade President Franklin D. Roosevelt to support the paying of the Bonus
Bill, a large sum of money owed to the American veterans of the First World
War.

Coughlin gradually grew disillusioned with Roosevelt and on 11th November,
1934, he announced the formation of the National Union of Social Justice. At
this time some observers claimed that Father Coughlin was the second most
important political figure in the United States. It was estimated that
Coughlin's radio broadcasts were getting an audience of 30 million people.
He was also having to employ twenty-six secretaries to deal with the 400,000
letters a week he was receiving from his listeners.

According to Wallace Stegner "Father Coughlin had a voice of such mellow
richness, such manly, heart-warming, confidential intimacy, such emotional
and ingratiating charm, that anyone tuning past it on the radio dial almost
automatically returned to hear it again." As well as his radio broadcasts,
Coughlin also began publishing Social Justice Weekly, a journal which soon
achieved a circulation of over one million copies.

In May 1935 Coughlin began having talks with Huey Long, Francis Townsend,
Gerald L. K. Smith, Milo Reno and Floyd B. Olson about a joint campaign to
take on President Franklin D. Roosevelt in the 1936 presidential elections.
Long was expected to the candidate but he was assassinated on 8th September,
1935.

After the death of Long, Joseph Kennedy attempted to reconcile Father
Coughlin and Roosevelt. The conference in September 1935 was a failure and
the following year Coughlin joined with Francis Townsend, Gerald L. K. Smith
and followers of the late Huey Long to take on Roosevelt in the 1936
presidential election. The National Union of Social Justice selected William
Lepke from North Dakota, as the party's candidate, but he won only 882,479
votes compared to Franklin D. Roosevelt (27,751,597) and Alfred Landon
(16,679,583).

After this defeat Coughlin's replaced the National Union of Social Justice
with the Christian Front and concentrated on the dangers of communism.
Coughlin also became an isolationist and one of his campaign slogans was:
"Less care for internationalism and more concern for national prosperity."

In the late 1930s Coughlin moved sharply to the right and accused Franklin
D. Roosevelt of "leaning toward international socialism or sovietism". He
also praised the actions of Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini in the fight
against communism in Europe. On 20th November 1938, Coughlin defended the
activities of the Nazi Government as a necessary defence against the Soviet
Union.

Like Joseph Goebbels, Coughlin claimed that Marxist atheism in Europe was a
Jewish plot. Coughlin also attacked the influence of Jews in America and
this resulted in him being described as a fascist. In April 1941, Coughlin
endorsed the America First Committee. However, his now open Anti-Semitism
made this endorsement a mixed blessing for the organization.

In January 1940 the FBI raided the New York branch of the Christian Front
and uncovered a cache of weapons. J. Edgar Hoover claimed that his officers
had discovered that members of the organization planned to murder Jews,
Communists and "a dozen Congressmen." Although Coughlin was not directly
involved in this plot, the publicity it generated severely damaged his
reputation.

Coughlin's opinions became more extreme. In September 1940 he described
President Franklin D. Roosevelt as "the world's chief war-monger". The
following year he wrote in Social Justice: "Stalin's idea to create world
revolution and Hitler's so- called threat to seek world domination are not
half as dangerous combined as is the proposal of the current British and
American administrations to seize all raw materials in the world. Many
people are beginning to wonder who they should fear most - the
Roosevelt-Churchill combination or the Hitler-Mussolini combination."

When the United States entered the Second World War the National Association
of Broadcasters arranged for Coughlin radio broadcasts to be brought to an
end. The Post Office also banned his weekly newspaper, Social Justice, from
the mail. On 1st May 1942, Archbishop Francis Mooney ordered Coughlin to
bring an end to his political activities. He was warned that if he refused
he would be defrocked.

Charles Edward Coughlin retired from the Shrine of the Little Flower Church
in 1966. He continued to write pamphlets denouncing Communism until his
death on 27th October, 1979.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAcoughlinE.htm

JC