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Shell Gasoline Ad
I saw an ad tonight on TV. Shell gasoline is now fortified with added
nitrogen. How is this done, why and how does that keep your engine clean? And were some BTUs displaced? |
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says... I saw an ad tonight on TV. Shell gasoline is now fortified with added nitrogen. How is this done, why and how does that keep your engine clean? And were some BTUs displaced? Well, you can read what Shell has to say about it at: http://www.shell.us/home/content/usa...er/news_and_pr ess_releases/2009/nitrogen_030209.html -- Dennis |
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Shell Gasoline Ad
Nitrogen is a inert diatomic gas at standard conditions, constituting
78% by volume of Earth's atmosphere. Is your engine is already burning nitrogen fortified air??!! It is marketing bull****. On Mar 7, 8:27*pm, Andy Asberry wrote: I saw an ad tonight on TV. Shell gasoline is now fortified with added nitrogen. How is this done, why and how does that keep your engine clean? And were some BTUs displaced? |
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Shell Gasoline Ad
For additional information on Shell Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines, visit www.passionate-experts.shell.com. Hopefully their chemists are better than their web site designers. Why is it that so many "blue chip" companies are taken in by designers pushing all these ridiculous features. They should take lessons from Amazon, EBay, etc. Oh, and to answer the other question, yes the additive will displace some BTU, but it is probably only there at tens, perhaps hundreds of parts per million. Combustion chemistry is pretty complicated and traces of compounds can shift the efficiency up or down. |
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Shell Gasoline Ad
On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:27:21 -0600, the infamous Andy Asberry
scrawled the following: I saw an ad tonight on TV. Shell gasoline is now fortified with added nitrogen. How is this done, why and how does that keep your engine clean? And were some BTUs displaced? And people wonder why I don't miss TV at all after shutting off my feed a year and a half ago... I wonder if this is the marketing plan which will make us forget that we'll never get hydrogen-powered vehicles [since they were "making" hydrogen by reforming fossil fuel (oil & natural gas.)] -- "Not always right, but never uncertain." --Heinlein -=-=- |
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Shell Gasoline Ad, Fixing a problem that doesn't exist.
How many people have had to bring in their car for degunking?
"Andy Asberry" wrote in message ... I saw an ad tonight on TV. Shell gasoline is now fortified with added nitrogen. How is this done, why and how does that keep your engine clean? And were some BTUs displaced? |
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I skipped the meeting, but the Memos showed that Gunner Asch
wrote on Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:58:56 -0800 in rec.crafts.metalworking : On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:00:15 -0800 (PST), wrote: Nitrogen is a inert diatomic gas at standard conditions, constituting 78% by volume of Earth's atmosphere. Is your engine is already burning nitrogen fortified air??!! It is marketing bull****. On Mar 7, 8:27*pm, Andy Asberry wrote: I saw an ad tonight on TV. Shell gasoline is now fortified with added nitrogen. How is this done, why and how does that keep your engine clean? And were some BTUs displaced? Shell Launches New Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines 02/03/2009 Introducing a new molecule designed to seek and destroy engine gunk in both conventional and modern engines. Houston – Today at Shell stations across the U.S., consumers will fill-up with a new product at the pumps. Shell is introducing the all-new Nitrogen Enriched Gasolines, containing a unique, patented cleaning system designed to seek and destroy engine “gunk” (carbon deposits) in all three grades of gasoline. The new Nitrogen Enriched cleaning system protects and cleans up gunky build-up on intake valves and fuel injectors left by lower quality gasolines. Sounds like Yet Another Additive. New and Improved! Selah. tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough! |
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"Gerald Miller" wrote in message ... On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:00:15 -0800 (PST), wrote: Nitrogen is a inert diatomic gas at standard conditions, constituting 78% by volume of Earth's atmosphere. Is your engine is already burning nitrogen fortified air??!! It is marketing bull****. On Mar 7, 8:27 pm, Andy Asberry wrote: I saw an ad tonight on TV. Shell gasoline is now fortified with added nitrogen. How is this done, why and how does that keep your engine clean? And were some BTUs displaced? "Let Esso put a tiger in your tank" - " Texaco takes the hair out of your gas" - "Chevron Supreme fits square gas tanks as well as round" I think I remembered those correctly. Gerry :-)} London, Canada From the Golden Age of Advertising. I was just born too late. AMC's "Mad Men" looks to me like a documentary of the business I aspired to be in. g -- Ed Huntress |
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In article ,
Gerald Miller wrote: On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:00:15 -0800 (PST), wrote: Nitrogen is a inert diatomic gas at standard conditions, constituting 78% by volume of Earth's atmosphere. Is your engine is already burning nitrogen fortified air??!! It is marketing bull****. On Mar 7, 8:27*pm, Andy Asberry wrote: I saw an ad tonight on TV. Shell gasoline is now fortified with added nitrogen. How is this done, why and how does that keep your engine clean? And were some BTUs displaced? "Let Esso put a tiger in your tank" - " Texaco takes the hair out of your gas" - "Chevron Supreme fits square gas tanks as well as round" I think I remembered those correctly. Gerry :-)} London, Canada Don't forget "Lead-Free Amoco" (~1950s-60s) and "Shell with Platformate." |
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On Mar 9, 10:24*am, John Husvar wrote:
In article , *Gerald Miller wrote: On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:00:15 -0800 (PST), wrote: Nitrogen is a inert diatomic gas at standard conditions, constituting 78% by volume of Earth's atmosphere. Is your engine is already burning nitrogen fortified air??!! It is marketing bull****. On Mar 7, 8:27*pm, Andy Asberry wrote: I saw an ad tonight on TV. Shell gasoline is now fortified with added nitrogen. How is this done, why and how does that keep your engine clean? And were some BTUs displaced? "Let Esso put a tiger in your tank" * - * " Texaco takes the hair out of your gas" *- *"Chevron Supreme fits square gas tanks as well as round" * I think I remembered those correctly. Gerry :-)} London, Canada Don't forget "Lead-Free Amoco" (~1950s-60s) and "Shell with Platformate."- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - At least "Platformate" had some basis in reality. Platinum was used as a catalyst in the cracking towers to bust the big molecules left from the simple distillation columns into higher octane stuff. Of course, just about every other refiner was doing the same at the time. Don't remember Lead-Free Amoco from that period. Wonder what the nitrogen compound is? Hydrazine? Nitroglycerine? Nitromethane? Stan |
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Shell Gasoline Ad, Fixing a problem that doesn't exist.
On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 03:13:50 GMT, "gary0232" wrote:
How many people have had to bring in their car for degunking? "Andy Asberry" wrote in message .. . I saw an ad tonight on TV. Shell gasoline is now fortified with added nitrogen. How is this done, why and how does that keep your engine clean? And were some BTUs displaced? You'd be surprised how many would benefit from it - particularly those that are never really "driven". I've seen intakes so choked up you'd never get half throttle out of them. ANd exhausts almost as bad. Combuston chambers so bad that hightest pings under a light load. |
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On Mar 9, 2:10*pm, wrote:
Wonder what the nitrogen compound is? *Hydrazine? *Nitroglycerine? Nitromethane? Stan I couldn't find chemical details easily, but it sounds like a detergent. They were able to patent it. |
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On 2009-03-09, John Husvar wrote:
In article , Gerald Miller wrote: On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:00:15 -0800 (PST), wrote: Nitrogen is a inert diatomic gas at standard conditions, constituting 78% by volume of Earth's atmosphere. Is your engine is already burning nitrogen fortified air??!! It is marketing bull****. On Mar 7, 8:27*pm, Andy Asberry wrote: I saw an ad tonight on TV. Shell gasoline is now fortified with added nitrogen. How is this done, why and how does that keep your engine clean? And were some BTUs displaced? "Let Esso put a tiger in your tank" - " Texaco takes the hair out of your gas" - "Chevron Supreme fits square gas tanks as well as round" I think I remembered those correctly. Gerry :-)} London, Canada Don't forget "Lead-Free Amoco" (~1950s-60s) and "Shell with Platformate." How about the "Atlas 'No-Squeal' Buytron tires" with a logo of a pig with a gag in place. ? :-) This was back when I was paying $0.25 per gallon for gas. Enjoy, DoN. -- Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564 (too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero --- |
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Shell Gasoline Ad
On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 01:33:52 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote: "Gerald Miller" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:00:15 -0800 (PST), wrote: Nitrogen is a inert diatomic gas at standard conditions, constituting 78% by volume of Earth's atmosphere. Is your engine is already burning nitrogen fortified air??!! It is marketing bull****. On Mar 7, 8:27 pm, Andy Asberry wrote: I saw an ad tonight on TV. Shell gasoline is now fortified with added nitrogen. How is this done, why and how does that keep your engine clean? And were some BTUs displaced? "Let Esso put a tiger in your tank" - " Texaco takes the hair out of your gas" - "Chevron Supreme fits square gas tanks as well as round" I think I remembered those correctly. Gerry :-)} London, Canada From the Golden Age of Advertising. I was just born too late. AMC's "Mad Men" looks to me like a documentary of the business I aspired to be in. g Fits square gas tanks as well as round... Ohhhh, I'll Betcha that one was Stan Freberg, got his fingerprints all over it. -- Bruce -- |
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Shell Gasoline Ad
In the 1960s Shell had an add showing cars with Platformate driving
through paper barriers. The guy that came up with that add said that he had his greatest ideas while drunk or astool. |
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"Bruce L. Bergman" wrote in message ... On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 01:33:52 -0400, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Gerald Miller" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:00:15 -0800 (PST), wrote: Nitrogen is a inert diatomic gas at standard conditions, constituting 78% by volume of Earth's atmosphere. Is your engine is already burning nitrogen fortified air??!! It is marketing bull****. On Mar 7, 8:27 pm, Andy Asberry wrote: I saw an ad tonight on TV. Shell gasoline is now fortified with added nitrogen. How is this done, why and how does that keep your engine clean? And were some BTUs displaced? "Let Esso put a tiger in your tank" - " Texaco takes the hair out of your gas" - "Chevron Supreme fits square gas tanks as well as round" I think I remembered those correctly. Gerry :-)} London, Canada From the Golden Age of Advertising. I was just born too late. AMC's "Mad Men" looks to me like a documentary of the business I aspired to be in. g Fits square gas tanks as well as round... Ohhhh, I'll Betcha that one was Stan Freberg, got his fingerprints all over it. -- Bruce -- My favorite, still, is a line from one of Y&R's older copywriters: "Preferred by those who like it best." -- Ed Huntress |
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On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 19:02:20 -0700, Bruce L. Bergman
wrote: On Mon, 9 Mar 2009 01:33:52 -0400, "Ed Huntress" wrote: "Gerald Miller" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:00:15 -0800 (PST), wrote: Nitrogen is a inert diatomic gas at standard conditions, constituting 78% by volume of Earth's atmosphere. Is your engine is already burning nitrogen fortified air??!! It is marketing bull****. On Mar 7, 8:27 pm, Andy Asberry wrote: I saw an ad tonight on TV. Shell gasoline is now fortified with added nitrogen. How is this done, why and how does that keep your engine clean? And were some BTUs displaced? "Let Esso put a tiger in your tank" - " Texaco takes the hair out of your gas" - "Chevron Supreme fits square gas tanks as well as round" I think I remembered those correctly. Gerry :-)} London, Canada From the Golden Age of Advertising. I was just born too late. AMC's "Mad Men" looks to me like a documentary of the business I aspired to be in. g Fits square gas tanks as well as round... Ohhhh, I'll Betcha that one was Stan Freberg, got his fingerprints all over it. -- Bruce -- From Watertown NY TV station late '50s - " With Chevron Supreme Gasoline, your car will go backward as well as forward" Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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Maybe during the 60s and possibly into the 70s, one brand (can't remember
it) claimed as a major selling point every winter that maybe just their supreme grade, had gas line antifreeze in it. Don't get stranded by fuel line freezup. Protection against fuel line freezing. With (name) Supreme, you go, or we pay for the tow. Over the decades, just this small city in western PA has had probably more than 30 different regional and national gasoline/oil company names in it, from back in the Cities Service and Esso days. Now there are maybe 4 different brands (including Sheetz), and almost all of 'em are mini-marts.. and maybe only one (non mini-mart) with lifts, a real air compressor and maybe a tire changer. I can think of possibly two that still have attendants that pump gas for the customers who don't want to pump the gas themselves. -- WB .......... metalworking projects www.kwagmire.com/metal_proj.html "Andy Asberry" wrote in message ... I saw an ad tonight on TV. Shell gasoline is now fortified with added nitrogen. How is this done, why and how does that keep your engine clean? And were some BTUs displaced? |
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Shell Gasoline Ad
On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:27:21 -0600, Andy Asberry
wrote: I saw an ad tonight on TV. Shell gasoline is now fortified with added nitrogen. How is this done, why and how does that keep your engine clean? And were some BTUs displaced? There are some pretty energetic nitrogen compounds. In addition to the obvious nitroglycerin, nitrocellulose, TNT, etc., we have "hexamine" (hexamethylenetetramine, C6H12N4) that makes up those fuel tablets for some camping stoves. But from the blurb, it sounds as though they have a nitrogen-containing detergent that might be a little more energetic than a similar no-nitrogen detergent. Probably not a big deal anyway, since detergents are usually minor constituents of gasoline. Best -- Terry |
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