I have had just a few observations of prices on things that I am
familiar with. And I think that outside of the realm of unsold
overpriced BuyItNow stuff, the prices for used industrial related
things that actually sell, are tanking dramatically.

Here's one example.

I sold a 8 inch diameter steam pressure gauge this summer for $240 or
so. (to someone who operates a real steam engine railroad, no less)

Just now, I needed one, and won a supposedly very similar condition
steam pressure gauge, made of brass, 0-200 PSI, for just $31. The
gauge was perfectly well described, all the right keywords were in the
title, etc. This was not in any way any unusually lucky purchase. It
just shows that the market that was willing to pay $240 for a steam
gauge, can only pay $31. So whatever sorts of people who were buying
steam gauges before, do not have any money left.

I am observing the same things occur in other sorts of things. A 8
inch three jaw chuck, L0 mount, great condition, $50. It is a
little scary to see the extent of it.

What muddles this is that eBay changed its fee structure, and there is
a lot of stuff listed with Buy It Now, that is overpriced and creates
an impression of high prices, but it is a false impression.

The one implication is that if you stil have a job and money, and
space in your shop, it is a great time to buy used stuff like this
right on ebay.

The other implication is that if you go to liquidation auctions
infrequently, it is a good idea to recheck the prices that you used
to base your bids on, in order to not overbid.

Agree? Disagree?

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On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:34:42 -0600, Ignoramus13011
wrote:

The one implication is that if you stil have a job and money, and
space in your shop, it is a great time to buy used stuff like this
right on ebay.

The other implication is that if you go to liquidation auctions
infrequently, it is a good idea to recheck the prices that you used
to base your bids on, in order to not overbid.

Agree? Disagree?
----------
Cash is king... try to hang onto it.


Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

On 2009-02-02, F George McDuffee wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:34:42 -0600, Ignoramus13011
wrote:

The one implication is that if you stil have a job and money, and
space in your shop, it is a great time to buy used stuff like this
right on ebay.

The other implication is that if you go to liquidation auctions
infrequently, it is a good idea to recheck the prices that you used
to base your bids on, in order to not overbid.

Agree? Disagree?
----------
Cash is king... try to hang onto it.

I hang onto some of it, but the time when cash is king is the time to
buy, not the time to hang onto it. The time to hang on to cash is when
everyone is exuberant.

The metalworking stuff is small change.

I switched all my and my wife's retirement accounts into all stocks
late last year (Oct/Nov). I used to have cash in almost all of them
them prior to that.

The best outcome for me, assuming my retirement is 30 years from now,
is that the market would stay depressed forever. This would bring the
highest total return (appreciation plus divvies). Events of last year
show that there may be a good reason for "equity premium", which is
that equities return a little more than bonds, over the long run, due
to higher risk. Last year showed how bad is that risk.

Anyway, going back to the tanking prices, these are a very vivid
illustration of deflation.

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"Ignoramus13011" wrote in message
...
On 2009-02-02, F George McDuffee
wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:34:42 -0600, Ignoramus13011
wrote:

The one implication is that if you stil have a job and money, and
space in your shop, it is a great time to buy used stuff like this
right on ebay.

The other implication is that if you go to liquidation auctions
infrequently, it is a good idea to recheck the prices that you used
to base your bids on, in order to not overbid.

Agree? Disagree?
----------
Cash is king... try to hang onto it.

I hang onto some of it, but the time when cash is king is the time to
buy, not the time to hang onto it. The time to hang on to cash is when
everyone is exuberant.

The metalworking stuff is small change.

I switched all my and my wife's retirement accounts into all stocks
late last year (Oct/Nov). I used to have cash in almost all of them
them prior to that.

What happened to your euros?

--
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On 2009-02-02, Ed Huntress wrote:

"Ignoramus13011" wrote in message
...
On 2009-02-02, F George McDuffee
wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:34:42 -0600, Ignoramus13011
wrote:

The one implication is that if you stil have a job and money, and
space in your shop, it is a great time to buy used stuff like this
right on ebay.

The other implication is that if you go to liquidation auctions
infrequently, it is a good idea to recheck the prices that you used
to base your bids on, in order to not overbid.

Agree? Disagree?
----------
Cash is king... try to hang onto it.

I hang onto some of it, but the time when cash is king is the time to
buy, not the time to hang onto it. The time to hang on to cash is when
everyone is exuberant.

The metalworking stuff is small change.

I switched all my and my wife's retirement accounts into all stocks
late last year (Oct/Nov). I used to have cash in almost all of them
them prior to that.

What happened to your euros?


Nothing, I still have them.

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On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 23:14:42 -0600, Ignoramus13011
wrote:

Anyway, going back to the tanking prices, these are a very vivid
illustration of deflation.
---------
That or the evaporation of the spodulicks.



Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

On Feb 1, 11:09*pm, F. George McDuffee gmcduf...@mcduffee-
associates.us wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:34:42 -0600, Ignoramus13011

wrote:
The one implication is that if you stil have a job and money, and
space in your shop, it is a great time to buy used stuff like this
right on ebay.

The other implication is that if you go to liquidation auctions
infrequently, it is a good idea to recheck the prices that you used
to base your bids on, in order to not overbid.

Agree? Disagree?

----------
Cash is king... *try to hang onto it.

Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

Agreed...none of us here have seen a downturn like this one...none of
us.

TMT

On Feb 2, 11:32*pm, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Feb 1, 11:09*pm, F. George McDuffee gmcduf...@mcduffee-



associates.us wrote:
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:34:42 -0600, Ignoramus13011

wrote:
The one implication is that if you stil have a job and money, and
space in your shop, it is a great time to buy used stuff like this
right on ebay.

The other implication is that if you go to liquidation auctions
infrequently, it is a good idea to recheck the prices that you used
to base your bids on, in order to not overbid.

Agree? Disagree?

----------
Cash is king... *try to hang onto it.

Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

Agreed...none of us here have seen a downturn like this one...none of
us.

TMT

There is no big downturn..yet.
But with all the money they are printing, there should be one.

"Ignoramus13011" wrote in message
...
I have had just a few observations of prices on things that I am
familiar with. And I think that outside of the realm of unsold
overpriced BuyItNow stuff, the prices for used industrial related
things that actually sell, are tanking dramatically.

Here's one example.

I sold a 8 inch diameter steam pressure gauge this summer for $240 or
so. (to someone who operates a real steam engine railroad, no less)

Just now, I needed one, and won a supposedly very similar condition
steam pressure gauge, made of brass, 0-200 PSI, for just $31. The
gauge was perfectly well described, all the right keywords were in the
title, etc. This was not in any way any unusually lucky purchase. It
just shows that the market that was willing to pay $240 for a steam
gauge, can only pay $31. So whatever sorts of people who were buying
steam gauges before, do not have any money left.

I am observing the same things occur in other sorts of things. A 8
inch three jaw chuck, L0 mount, great condition, $50. It is a
little scary to see the extent of it.

What muddles this is that eBay changed its fee structure, and there is
a lot of stuff listed with Buy It Now, that is overpriced and creates
an impression of high prices, but it is a false impression.

The one implication is that if you stil have a job and money, and
space in your shop, it is a great time to buy used stuff like this
right on ebay.

The other implication is that if you go to liquidation auctions
infrequently, it is a good idea to recheck the prices that you used
to base your bids on, in order to not overbid.

Agree? Disagree?

Agree. From the looks of just garage sales I've been to in the last couple
of months, prices are way down, and sellers are "motivated."

Steve

Some of your points may be valid, Ig, but I see this same situation every
year. Extra holiday gift cash has been spent, heating bills are peaking, and
yesterday was a superbowl game (major distraction to some folks), so I
believe other factors are involved (generally always).

About the end of March and into April, competive bidding will pick up again,
in anticipation of tax returns, lower heating bills, warmer weather
activities and other factors.

I'm surprised by some of the prices sometimes, generally when a new member
gets involved in the bidding, and also a number of items that normally sell
from moderate to high prices, that don't even get bid on.

I'm still bewildered at the over $150 that I got for a used music CD when I
started selling in 1999. The ad had poor pictures but a detailed
description, but I wasn't an experienced seller.

Experienced sellers will hold onto items that know will bring exeptionally
good prices until things pick up again, IMO.

I watch a wide range of lot of different types of items from tooling,
machine accessories, video, audio, some avionics, hand tools, certain
vintage power tools, various electronic gear/parts, etc.

This is generally a good time to buy things that are sluggish at this time
of year, but it's a typical annual situation, IMO.

I'm convinced that there are completely unpredictable circumstances, such as
a buyer that's missed out on numerous attempts to get something cheap,
finally decides that they're done trying, and go ahead and spend 2-4 times
as much as they had been hoping to get the item for.

An 8" pressure gauge is definitely an obscure item, and I wouldn't have any
idea of how to consider it being an economic indicator.

--
WB
..........
metalworking projects
www.kwagmire.com/metal_proj.html


s13011" wrote in message
...
I have had just a few observations of prices on things that I am
familiar with. And I think that outside of the realm of unsold
overpriced BuyItNow stuff, the prices for used industrial related
things that actually sell, are tanking dramatically.

Here's one example.

I sold a 8 inch diameter steam pressure gauge this summer for $240 or
so. (to someone who operates a real steam engine railroad, no less)

Just now, I needed one, and won a supposedly very similar condition
steam pressure gauge, made of brass, 0-200 PSI, for just $31. The
gauge was perfectly well described, all the right keywords were in the
title, etc. This was not in any way any unusually lucky purchase. It
just shows that the market that was willing to pay $240 for a steam
gauge, can only pay $31. So whatever sorts of people who were buying
steam gauges before, do not have any money left.

I am observing the same things occur in other sorts of things. A 8
inch three jaw chuck, L0 mount, great condition, $50. It is a
little scary to see the extent of it.

What muddles this is that eBay changed its fee structure, and there is
a lot of stuff listed with Buy It Now, that is overpriced and creates
an impression of high prices, but it is a false impression.

The one implication is that if you stil have a job and money, and
space in your shop, it is a great time to buy used stuff like this
right on ebay.

The other implication is that if you go to liquidation auctions
infrequently, it is a good idea to recheck the prices that you used
to base your bids on, in order to not overbid.

Agree? Disagree?

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"Wild_Bill" wrote:

Some of your points may be valid, Ig, but I see this same situation every
year. Extra holiday gift cash has been spent, heating bills are peaking, and
yesterday was a superbowl game (major distraction to some folks), so I
believe other factors are involved (generally always).


I've bought things on Christmas night that went way cheap. I like to check Ebay for
bargains on holidays when people might be busy doing other things.

The current economy has to have an effect on prices as Iggy said.

We may have sellers that didn't want to sell but need the money. Buyers in fear of their
jobs don't want to spend much on things they don't really need. Ebay is filled with
things we want but don't actually need

Then there is a really twisted situation in my life, after laying off 1/3 of the plant we
are all working OT to make shipping schedules so in this down time, I'm a bit more flush
and able to buy. I doubt that one is happening for most.

I think that Wild_Bill and Iggy are both right. Like the market right now, it is a buyers
opportunity on Ebay.

Wes

On Feb 3, 12:36*am, Wes wrote:
"Wild_Bill" wrote:
Some of your points may be valid, Ig, but I see this same situation every
year. Extra holiday gift cash has been spent, heating bills are peaking, and
yesterday was a superbowl game (major distraction to some folks), so I
believe other factors are involved (generally always).

I've bought things on Christmas night that went way cheap. *I like to check Ebay for
bargains on holidays when people might be busy doing other things.

The current economy has to have an effect on prices as Iggy said. *

We may have sellers that didn't want to sell but need the money. *Buyers in fear of their
jobs don't want to spend much on things they don't really need. *Ebay is filled with
things we want but don't actually need

Then there is a really twisted situation in my life, after laying off 1/3 of the plant we
are all working OT to make shipping schedules so in this down time, I'm a bit more flush
and able to buy. *I doubt that one is happening for most.

I think that Wild_Bill and Iggy are both right. *Like the market right now, it is a buyers
opportunity on Ebay.

Wes

I agree...it is a buyer's market.

Too_Many_Tools has been busy buying many more tools at very good
prices.

Unfortunately the selection available is small...Ebay is not what it
used to be.

TMT

"Ignoramus13011" wrote in message

Agree? Disagree?


Prices on EBay have never made any sense. I bought a Play station game for
my daughter a while back. There were two sellers, offering the same game,
new, unopened, very similar description. The one auction went for close to
$100, but the other game, that bidding ended maybe 1/2 hour after the first,
I bought for $35.
You figure it out, I know I can't!
Greg

Greg O wrote:

"Ignoramus13011" wrote in message

Agree? Disagree?


Prices on EBay have never made any sense. I bought a Play station game for
my daughter a while back. There were two sellers, offering the same game,
new, unopened, very similar description. The one auction went for close to
$100, but the other game, that bidding ended maybe 1/2 hour after the first,
I bought for $35.
You figure it out, I know I can't!
Greg

Which one was the counterfeit?

On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 19:17:27 -0600, the renowned "Greg O"
wrote:

"Ignoramus13011" wrote in message

Agree? Disagree?


Prices on EBay have never made any sense. I bought a Play station game for
my daughter a while back. There were two sellers, offering the same game,
new, unopened, very similar description. The one auction went for close to
$100, but the other game, that bidding ended maybe 1/2 hour after the first,
I bought for $35.
You figure it out, I know I can't!
Greg

It's like that in real auctions sometimes. And sometimes people hold
back waiting for the cheaper prices and then get into a bidding war
for the few of whatever that are left so you see the opposite effect.

A lot of what's on eBay these days is not really in limited supply so
the real auction dynamic doesn't show up.



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On 2009-02-03, Greg O wrote:
"Ignoramus13011" wrote in message

Agree? Disagree?


Prices on EBay have never made any sense. I bought a Play station game for
my daughter a while back. There were two sellers, offering the same game,
new, unopened, very similar description. The one auction went for close to
$100, but the other game, that bidding ended maybe 1/2 hour after the first,
I bought for $35.

Well ... a few years ago, I was collecting tri-mikes (precision
three-point contact internal diameter micrometers), and there were two
auctions running at the same time for the same set (three or four mics,
two setting rings, the extension tubes, and the wrenches, all in a
nicely-fitted wooden box). Actually -- the poorly described set was a
little more complete, though I forget what was missing from the other.

One had lots of wonderful photos and detailed descriptions, the
other had a much less detailed description, and only a couple of photos
-- enough to tell me that it was the same, and that it was what I
wanted.

The poorly described one closed a couple of hours before the one
with the wonderful description, and I opted to bid on that
poorly-described one as the bids were *already* significantly higher on
the wonderful one. IIRC, I got the poorly-described set for about three
hundred less than the wonderfully-described one, and was thankful that
the later one was drawing most of the attention of those who were
interested. I don't know at this point, but the wonderfully-described
one had the feel of a "Reliable Tools" auction of the period.

I really would have expected more competition for the
poorly-described set since there were two hours or so between them to
give people a second chance at the well-described set, but apparently
most were too dazzled by the description on the second set -- so I got
the first set for a very reasonable price. :-)

Enjoy,
DoN.

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"DoN. Nichols" wrote in message
...
On 2009-02-03, Greg O wrote:
"Ignoramus13011" wrote in message

Agree? Disagree?


Prices on EBay have never made any sense. I bought a Play station game
for
my daughter a while back. There were two sellers, offering the same game,
new, unopened, very similar description. The one auction went for close
to
$100, but the other game, that bidding ended maybe 1/2 hour after the
first,
I bought for $35.

Well ... a few years ago, I was collecting tri-mikes (precision
three-point contact internal diameter micrometers), and there were two
auctions running at the same time for the same set (three or four mics,
two setting rings, the extension tubes, and the wrenches, all in a
nicely-fitted wooden box). Actually -- the poorly described set was a
little more complete, though I forget what was missing from the other.

One had lots of wonderful photos and detailed descriptions, the
other had a much less detailed description, and only a couple of photos
-- enough to tell me that it was the same, and that it was what I
wanted.

The poorly described one closed a couple of hours before the one
with the wonderful description, and I opted to bid on that
poorly-described one as the bids were *already* significantly higher on
the wonderful one. IIRC, I got the poorly-described set for about three
hundred less than the wonderfully-described one, and was thankful that
the later one was drawing most of the attention of those who were
interested. I don't know at this point, but the wonderfully-described
one had the feel of a "Reliable Tools" auction of the period.

I really would have expected more competition for the
poorly-described set since there were two hours or so between them to
give people a second chance at the well-described set, but apparently
most were too dazzled by the description on the second set -- so I got
the first set for a very reasonable price. :-)

Enjoy,
DoN.

I built up a collection of about three dozen Vise Grip 11R, and other
various clamps by simply watching "Vice Grip" auctions.

Steve

On 2009-02-03, DoN. Nichols wrote:
On 2009-02-03, Greg O wrote:
"Ignoramus13011" wrote in message

Agree? Disagree?


Prices on EBay have never made any sense. I bought a Play station game for
my daughter a while back. There were two sellers, offering the same game,
new, unopened, very similar description. The one auction went for close to
$100, but the other game, that bidding ended maybe 1/2 hour after the first,
I bought for $35.

Well ... a few years ago, I was collecting tri-mikes (precision
three-point contact internal diameter micrometers), and there were two
auctions running at the same time for the same set (three or four mics,
two setting rings, the extension tubes, and the wrenches, all in a
nicely-fitted wooden box). Actually -- the poorly described set was a
little more complete, though I forget what was missing from the other.

One had lots of wonderful photos and detailed descriptions, the
other had a much less detailed description, and only a couple of photos
-- enough to tell me that it was the same, and that it was what I
wanted.

The poorly described one closed a couple of hours before the one
with the wonderful description, and I opted to bid on that
poorly-described one as the bids were *already* significantly higher on
the wonderful one. IIRC, I got the poorly-described set for about three
hundred less than the wonderfully-described one, and was thankful that
the later one was drawing most of the attention of those who were
interested. I don't know at this point, but the wonderfully-described
one had the feel of a "Reliable Tools" auction of the period.

I really would have expected more competition for the
poorly-described set since there were two hours or so between them to
give people a second chance at the well-described set, but apparently
most were too dazzled by the description on the second set -- so I got
the first set for a very reasonable price. :-)

Some things sell for a lot less than identical things that are better
described or pictured. You told us a good story, I bought a well
working TIG welder for $10, etc.

But that is not what I wanted to point out.

The point that I was making, was that the steam gauge that sold for
$31 was NOT poorly described, it was well photographed and properly
titled and so on. And still it sold for 8 TIMES less than a very
similar gauge, sold by me last summer. So I was comparing apples to
apples.

Here they a

My gauge from last summer closed for $240:

http://yabe.algebra.com/~ichudov/mis.../ebayhist.html

The gauge that I bought this month for $31:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=250361252136

When I was selling my gauge last summer, I did quite a bit of
research. There is (was) a market for these gauges, mostly among
collectors or well off people who want to have a gauge like that on
the wall of their shop showing air pressure, etc. Some retired people
buy these gauges in poor condition, polish and resell, etc. It was a
real market.

These gauges are not unusual or rare items, but they were well sought
after. Apparently, not any more. The market for them disappeared.

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On Feb 2, 11:33*pm, Ignoramus32631 ignoramus32...@NOSPAM.
32631.invalid wrote:
On 2009-02-03, DoN. Nichols wrote:





On 2009-02-03, Greg O wrote:
"Ignoramus13011" wrote in message

Agree? Disagree?

Prices on EBay have never made any sense. I bought a Play station game for
my daughter a while back. There were two sellers, offering the same game,
new, unopened, very similar description. The one auction went for close to
$100, but the other game, that bidding ended maybe 1/2 hour after the first,
I bought for $35.

* *Well ... a few years ago, I was collecting tri-mikes (precision
three-point contact internal diameter micrometers), and there were two
auctions running at the same time for the same set (three or four mics,
two setting rings, the extension tubes, and the wrenches, all in a
nicely-fitted wooden box). *Actually -- the poorly described set was a
little more complete, though I forget what was missing from the other.

* *One had lots of wonderful photos and detailed descriptions, the
other had a much less detailed description, and only a couple of photos
-- enough to tell me that it was the same, and that it was what I
wanted.

* *The poorly described one closed a couple of hours before the one
with the wonderful description, and I opted to bid on that
poorly-described one as the bids were *already* significantly higher on
the wonderful one. *IIRC, I got the poorly-described set for about three
hundred less than the wonderfully-described one, and was thankful that
the later one was drawing most of the attention of those who were
interested. *I don't know at this point, but the wonderfully-described
one had the feel of a "Reliable Tools" auction of the period.

* *I really would have expected more competition for the
poorly-described set since there were two hours or so between them to
give people a second chance at the well-described set, but apparently
most were too dazzled by the description on the second set -- so I got
the first set for a very reasonable price. :-)

Some things sell for a lot less than identical things that are better
described or pictured. You told us a good story, I bought a well
working TIG welder for $10, etc.

But that is not what I wanted to point out.

The point that I was making, was that the steam gauge that sold for
$31 was NOT poorly described, it was well photographed and properly
titled and so on. And still it sold for 8 TIMES less than a very
similar gauge, sold by me last summer. So I was comparing apples to
apples.

Here they a

My gauge from last summer closed for $240:

http://yabe.algebra.com/~ichudov/mis...Gauge/ebayhist...

The *gauge that I bought this month for $31:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=250361252136

When I was selling my gauge last summer, I did quite a bit of
research. There is (was) a market for these gauges, mostly among
collectors or well off people who want to have a gauge like that on
the wall of their shop showing air pressure, etc. Some retired people
buy these gauges in poor condition, polish and resell, etc. It was a
real market.

These gauges are not unusual or rare items, but they were well sought
after. Apparently, not any more. The market for them disappeared.

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But they are not identical gauges. They are different manufacturers.
Sure they perform the same function. If someone needed one for say a
correct restoration of an old steam engine only the correct original
would do. That could explain the price difference. Also if someone
collects gauges (I'm sure they are out there) it could be a rarer one.
Take for example wood planes. They all perform the same basic task but
some go for $10000,00 dollars while others you can't get $20.00 for.
Not saying that's why just saying it could.

On 2009-02-03, Ignoramus32631 wrote:
On 2009-02-03, DoN. Nichols wrote:

[ ... ]

The poorly described one closed a couple of hours before the one
with the wonderful description, and I opted to bid on that
poorly-described one as the bids were *already* significantly higher on
the wonderful one. IIRC, I got the poorly-described set for about three
hundred less than the wonderfully-described one, and was thankful that
the later one was drawing most of the attention of those who were
interested. I don't know at this point, but the wonderfully-described
one had the feel of a "Reliable Tools" auction of the period.

I really would have expected more competition for the
poorly-described set since there were two hours or so between them to
give people a second chance at the well-described set, but apparently
most were too dazzled by the description on the second set -- so I got
the first set for a very reasonable price. :-)

Some things sell for a lot less than identical things that are better
described or pictured. You told us a good story, I bought a well
working TIG welder for $10, etc.

But that is not what I wanted to point out.

The point that I was making, was that the steam gauge that sold for
$31 was NOT poorly described, it was well photographed and properly
titled and so on. And still it sold for 8 TIMES less than a very
similar gauge, sold by me last summer. So I was comparing apples to
apples.

Here they a

My gauge from last summer closed for $240:

http://yabe.algebra.com/~ichudov/mis.../ebayhist.html

The gauge that I bought this month for $31:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=250361252136

Hmm ... three things which could have affected the eBay price:

1) The range. The 200 PSI ones are perhaps less common than
the 400 PSI ones.

2) The white on black might be more collectible than the black
on white ones. (I would personally prefer that just for better
readability if I were in the market for one of that size.)

3) The fact that the one which you sold did not have a legend
on it "First Cooler" to make it less suitable in some other
application such are restoration where an incorrect legend
might make it far more unsuitable than one with no legend.

BTW I like your way of showing the size in the first photo. :-)

When I was selling my gauge last summer, I did quite a bit of
research. There is (was) a market for these gauges, mostly among
collectors or well off people who want to have a gauge like that on
the wall of their shop showing air pressure, etc. Some retired people
buy these gauges in poor condition, polish and resell, etc. It was a
real market.

These gauges are not unusual or rare items, but they were well sought
after. Apparently, not any more. The market for them disappeared.

Maybe not gone for long.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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On 2009-02-04, DoN. Nichols wrote:
On 2009-02-03, Ignoramus32631 wrote:
On 2009-02-03, DoN. Nichols wrote:

[ ... ]

The poorly described one closed a couple of hours before the one
with the wonderful description, and I opted to bid on that
poorly-described one as the bids were *already* significantly higher on
the wonderful one. IIRC, I got the poorly-described set for about three
hundred less than the wonderfully-described one, and was thankful that
the later one was drawing most of the attention of those who were
interested. I don't know at this point, but the wonderfully-described
one had the feel of a "Reliable Tools" auction of the period.

I really would have expected more competition for the
poorly-described set since there were two hours or so between them to
give people a second chance at the well-described set, but apparently
most were too dazzled by the description on the second set -- so I got
the first set for a very reasonable price. :-)

Some things sell for a lot less than identical things that are better
described or pictured. You told us a good story, I bought a well
working TIG welder for $10, etc.

But that is not what I wanted to point out.

The point that I was making, was that the steam gauge that sold for
$31 was NOT poorly described, it was well photographed and properly
titled and so on. And still it sold for 8 TIMES less than a very
similar gauge, sold by me last summer. So I was comparing apples to
apples.

Here they a

My gauge from last summer closed for $240:

http://yabe.algebra.com/~ichudov/mis.../ebayhist.html

The gauge that I bought this month for $31:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=250361252136

Hmm ... three things which could have affected the eBay price:

1) The range. The 200 PSI ones are perhaps less common than
the 400 PSI ones.

I think that, if anything, 200 PSI gauges are more suitable for people
like me, who want to use them with regular shop compressed air. I
would venture to guess that this makes the majority of the actual
users of gauges. (not mere collectors).

Accidentally, the gauge that I sold on July 3, was bought by a guy
operating a real steam locomotive. He told me that he will keep it as
a spare for now. I just conversed with him yesterday about cleaning up
brass gauges.

2) The white on black might be more collectible than the black
on white ones. (I would personally prefer that just for better
readability if I were in the market for one of that size.)

I agree.

3) The fact that the one which you sold did not have a legend
on it "First Cooler" to make it less suitable in some other
application such are restoration where an incorrect legend
might make it far more unsuitable than one with no legend.

That could apply, as well. Still, looking at completed collectibles
with "steam gauge" shows prices that are rather lower than what I
used to see.

BTW I like your way of showing the size in the first photo. :-)

Thanks... This guy is very interested in everything treain related.

i

When I was selling my gauge last summer, I did quite a bit of
research. There is (was) a market for these gauges, mostly among
collectors or well off people who want to have a gauge like that on
the wall of their shop showing air pressure, etc. Some retired people
buy these gauges in poor condition, polish and resell, etc. It was a
real market.

These gauges are not unusual or rare items, but they were well sought
after. Apparently, not any more. The market for them disappeared.

Maybe not gone for long.

Enjoy,
DoN.


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DoN. Nichols wrote:

My gauge from last summer closed for $240:

http://yabe.algebra.com/~ichudov/mis.../ebayhist.html

The gauge that I bought this month for $31:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=250361252136

Hmm ... three things which could have affected the eBay price:


How many people have their own rail road???

Try to find .308 Winchester brass on the internet.
The priced from 100 suppliers has doubled and is out of stock

No matter what city you are in in the USA, you cannot get Gold in your
hand at $50 over spot price.

AR15 rifles are all back ordered and jacked up in price.

On line gun suppliers cannot answer the phone, they are so busy
shipping.

Try squeezing you butt into a gun show at 8:00 a.m. when they used to
be mostly empty. They are jammed with crowds.

What does it all mean?
Enough people are frightened enough to buy up the military arms and
Gold.

wrote in message
...
Try to find .308 Winchester brass on the internet.
The priced from 100 suppliers has doubled and is out of stock

No matter what city you are in in the USA, you cannot get Gold in your
hand at $50 over spot price.

AR15 rifles are all back ordered and jacked up in price.

On line gun suppliers cannot answer the phone, they are so busy
shipping.

Try squeezing you butt into a gun show at 8:00 a.m. when they used to
be mostly empty. They are jammed with crowds.

What does it all mean?
Enough people are frightened enough to buy up the military arms and
Gold.

I think a lot of this is just hype. Gun dealers and gun investors have been
touting the intent of Democrats to spool up the gun control issues, and
driving prices straight up ever since last spring or so. I personally think
the real estate industry does the same thing every time the interest rate
begin to climb.

The only problem is, the gun folks may very well be right.

On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 20:22:29 -0600, "Elliot G"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
Try to find .308 Winchester brass on the internet.
The priced from 100 suppliers has doubled and is out of stock

No matter what city you are in in the USA, you cannot get Gold in your
hand at $50 over spot price.

AR15 rifles are all back ordered and jacked up in price.

On line gun suppliers cannot answer the phone, they are so busy
shipping.

Try squeezing you butt into a gun show at 8:00 a.m. when they used to
be mostly empty. They are jammed with crowds.

What does it all mean?
Enough people are frightened enough to buy up the military arms and
Gold.

I think a lot of this is just hype. Gun dealers and gun investors have been
touting the intent of Democrats to spool up the gun control issues, and
driving prices straight up ever since last spring or so. I personally think
the real estate industry does the same thing every time the interest rate
begin to climb.

The only problem is, the gun folks may very well be right.


The gun dealers only have to point at recent and current Democrat
legistlation and statements of intent by the Left.

When they themselves declare that your guns and your liberty are up for
grabs....the gun dealers dont need to use Democrat Scare Tactics.

When the Communist army is spotted on the horizon, and headed your
way....the prudent man stockes up,and prepares.

Fortunately...most of us who actually have a time sense that goes back
before last Shrove Tuesday...have made those preps already.

Those that ignore history, are doomed.



"Not so old as to need virgins to excite him,
nor old enough to have the patience to teach one."

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 20:22:29 -0600, "Elliot G"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
Try to find .308 Winchester brass on the internet.
The priced from 100 suppliers has doubled and is out of stock

No matter what city you are in in the USA, you cannot get Gold in your
hand at $50 over spot price.

AR15 rifles are all back ordered and jacked up in price.

On line gun suppliers cannot answer the phone, they are so busy
shipping.

Try squeezing you butt into a gun show at 8:00 a.m. when they used to
be mostly empty. They are jammed with crowds.

What does it all mean?
Enough people are frightened enough to buy up the military arms and
Gold.
I think a lot of this is just hype. Gun dealers and gun investors have been
touting the intent of Democrats to spool up the gun control issues, and
driving prices straight up ever since last spring or so. I personally think
the real estate industry does the same thing every time the interest rate
begin to climb.

The only problem is, the gun folks may very well be right.


The gun dealers only have to point at recent and current Democrat
legistlation and statements of intent by the Left.

When they themselves declare that your guns and your liberty are up for
grabs....the gun dealers dont need to use Democrat Scare Tactics.

When the Communist army is spotted on the horizon, and headed your
way....the prudent man stockes up,and prepares.

Fortunately...most of us who actually have a time sense that goes back
before last Shrove Tuesday...have made those preps already.

Those that ignore history, are doomed.



"Not so old as to need virgins to excite him,
nor old enough to have the patience to teach one."


Good rant, Gunner, but it's not the Commie army I'm worried about
so much as out own...

"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...
Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 20:22:29 -0600, "Elliot G"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
Try to find .308 Winchester brass on the internet.
The priced from 100 suppliers has doubled and is out of stock

No matter what city you are in in the USA, you cannot get Gold in your
hand at $50 over spot price.

AR15 rifles are all back ordered and jacked up in price.

On line gun suppliers cannot answer the phone, they are so busy
shipping.

Try squeezing you butt into a gun show at 8:00 a.m. when they used to
be mostly empty. They are jammed with crowds.

What does it all mean?
Enough people are frightened enough to buy up the military arms and
Gold.
I think a lot of this is just hype. Gun dealers and gun investors have
been touting the intent of Democrats to spool up the gun control issues,
and driving prices straight up ever since last spring or so. I
personally think the real estate industry does the same thing every time
the interest rate begin to climb.

The only problem is, the gun folks may very well be right.


The gun dealers only have to point at recent and current Democrat
legistlation and statements of intent by the Left.

When they themselves declare that your guns and your liberty are up for
grabs....the gun dealers dont need to use Democrat Scare Tactics.

When the Communist army is spotted on the horizon, and headed your
way....the prudent man stockes up,and prepares.

Fortunately...most of us who actually have a time sense that goes back
before last Shrove Tuesday...have made those preps already.

Those that ignore history, are doomed.



"Not so old as to need virgins to excite him,
nor old enough to have the patience to teach one."


Good rant, Gunner, but it's not the Commie army I'm worried about
so much as out own...

Shhh! Don't tell them. The paranoid gun nutz are going to be a big help in
spending us out of this recession. They'll buy wall-to-wall shootin' irons
and a basement full of ammo. Well, not actually a *basement*, in Gunner's
case, but you get the idea. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:50:59 -0600, cavelamb
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 20:22:29 -0600, "Elliot G"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
Try to find .308 Winchester brass on the internet.
The priced from 100 suppliers has doubled and is out of stock

No matter what city you are in in the USA, you cannot get Gold in your
hand at $50 over spot price.

AR15 rifles are all back ordered and jacked up in price.

On line gun suppliers cannot answer the phone, they are so busy
shipping.

Try squeezing you butt into a gun show at 8:00 a.m. when they used to
be mostly empty. They are jammed with crowds.

What does it all mean?
Enough people are frightened enough to buy up the military arms and
Gold.
I think a lot of this is just hype. Gun dealers and gun investors have been
touting the intent of Democrats to spool up the gun control issues, and
driving prices straight up ever since last spring or so. I personally think
the real estate industry does the same thing every time the interest rate
begin to climb.

The only problem is, the gun folks may very well be right.


The gun dealers only have to point at recent and current Democrat
legistlation and statements of intent by the Left.

When they themselves declare that your guns and your liberty are up for
grabs....the gun dealers dont need to use Democrat Scare Tactics.

When the Communist army is spotted on the horizon, and headed your
way....the prudent man stockes up,and prepares.

Fortunately...most of us who actually have a time sense that goes back
before last Shrove Tuesday...have made those preps already.

Those that ignore history, are doomed.



"Not so old as to need virgins to excite him,
nor old enough to have the patience to teach one."


Good rant, Gunner, but it's not the Commie army I'm worried about
so much as out own...

Liberal =progressive = Socialist = Communist

Just a matter of degree. We dont have to worry about OUR army...just
_their_ law enforcement.


"Not so old as to need virgins to excite him,
nor old enough to have the patience to teach one."

In article ,
cavelamb wrote:

Good rant, Gunner, but it's not the Commie army I'm worried about
so much as out own...

Not much difference as long as the army follows a politician instead of
the Constitution ;(

Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 20:22:29 -0600, "Elliot G"
wrote:
The gun dealers only have to point at recent and current Democrat
legistlation and statements of intent by the Left.

When they themselves declare that your guns and your liberty are up for
grabs....the gun dealers dont need to use Democrat Scare Tactics.

When the Communist army is spotted on the horizon, and headed your
way....the prudent man stockes up,and prepares.

Fortunately...most of us who actually have a time sense that goes back
before last Shrove Tuesday...have made those preps already.


The red army will be looking for every Form 4473 they can get thier hands
on.
Thier first stop will be the local gun shops before they advance on citizens
to confiscate thier guns. First hand experience 20 years ago when chicago
cops were trying to intemidate suburban gun stores to give them copies of
of thier Form 4473 in an effort to track down chicago residents that had
purchased pistols. Of course we asked them for the court order and they
left enpty handed rather unhappy uttering threats as they left. It is very
possible that
under the current administration the BATF will be making available
Form 4473 to cities that practice gun control if asked by a city that has
strict gun control laws.

Hope you make a full recovery gunner.

Best Regards
Tom.

Gunner Asch wrote:

The gun dealers only have to point at recent and current Democrat
legistlation and statements of intent by the Left.

When they themselves declare that your guns and your liberty are up for
grabs....the gun dealers dont need to use Democrat Scare Tactics.


Joe Bidden, next in line in succession and having the ear of the President. Almost as bad
as having Chuck Schumer, Indy Bank toppler (election timing) and over all gun grabber, as
Veep. I hope nothing happens to the current President during his term.

Somehow unlike our English brothers in other nations, I don't think we are going to turn
our arms over because some tin pot dictator is worried that the Second Amendment might be
his undoing. That Constitution, a pesky thing for those that don't believe in freedom for
the masses.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

"Elliot G" wrote in message
m...

wrote in message
...
Try to find .308 Winchester brass on the internet.
The priced from 100 suppliers has doubled and is out of stock

No matter what city you are in in the USA, you cannot get Gold in your
hand at $50 over spot price.

AR15 rifles are all back ordered and jacked up in price.

On line gun suppliers cannot answer the phone, they are so busy
shipping.

Try squeezing you butt into a gun show at 8:00 a.m. when they used to
be mostly empty. They are jammed with crowds.

What does it all mean?
Enough people are frightened enough to buy up the military arms and
Gold.

I think a lot of this is just hype. Gun dealers and gun investors have
been touting the intent of Democrats to spool up the gun control issues,
and driving prices straight up ever since last spring or so. I personally
think the real estate industry does the same thing every time the interest
rate begin to climb.

The only problem is, the gun folks may very well be right.

Two things that have always given me a feeling of security when in my
pocket:

a gun and cash.

Steve

On Feb 2, 7:41*pm, "
wrote:
Try to find .308 Winchester brass on the internet.
The priced from 100 suppliers has doubled and is out of stock

No matter what city you are in in the USA, you cannot get Gold in your
hand at $50 over spot price.

AR15 rifles are all back ordered and jacked up in price.

On line gun suppliers cannot answer the phone, they are so busy
shipping.

Try squeezing you butt into a gun show at 8:00 a.m. when they used to
be mostly empty. They are jammed with crowds.

What does it all mean?
Enough people are frightened enough to buy up the military arms and
Gold.

Guns and gold are in a bubble.

It will burst like any other bubble.

TMT

On 2009-02-02, Ignoramus13011 wrote:
I have had just a few observations of prices on things that I am
familiar with. And I think that outside of the realm of unsold
overpriced BuyItNow stuff, the prices for used industrial related
things that actually sell, are tanking dramatically.

Here's one example.

I sold a 8 inch diameter steam pressure gauge this summer for $240 or
so. (to someone who operates a real steam engine railroad, no less)

Actually, I was wrong. I looked up my archives and found out that the
sale price on Jul 3, 2008, was $283.88, not $240.

i

Just now, I needed one, and won a supposedly very similar condition
steam pressure gauge, made of brass, 0-200 PSI, for just $31. The
gauge was perfectly well described, all the right keywords were in the
title, etc. This was not in any way any unusually lucky purchase. It
just shows that the market that was willing to pay $240 for a steam
gauge, can only pay $31. So whatever sorts of people who were buying
steam gauges before, do not have any money left.

I am observing the same things occur in other sorts of things. A 8
inch three jaw chuck, L0 mount, great condition, $50. It is a
little scary to see the extent of it.

What muddles this is that eBay changed its fee structure, and there is
a lot of stuff listed with Buy It Now, that is overpriced and creates
an impression of high prices, but it is a false impression.

The one implication is that if you stil have a job and money, and
space in your shop, it is a great time to buy used stuff like this
right on ebay.

The other implication is that if you go to liquidation auctions
infrequently, it is a good idea to recheck the prices that you used
to base your bids on, in order to not overbid.

Agree? Disagree?


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"Ignoramus13011" wrote in message
...
I have had just a few observations of prices on things that I am
familiar with. And I think that outside of the realm of unsold
overpriced BuyItNow stuff, the prices for used industrial related
things that actually sell, are tanking dramatically.

Here's one example.

I sold a 8 inch diameter steam pressure gauge this summer for $240 or
so. (to someone who operates a real steam engine railroad, no less)

Just now, I needed one, and won a supposedly very similar condition
steam pressure gauge, made of brass, 0-200 PSI, for just $31. The
gauge was perfectly well described, all the right keywords were in the
title, etc. This was not in any way any unusually lucky purchase. It
just shows that the market that was willing to pay $240 for a steam
gauge, can only pay $31. So whatever sorts of people who were buying
steam gauges before, do not have any money left.

I am observing the same things occur in other sorts of things. A 8
inch three jaw chuck, L0 mount, great condition, $50. It is a
little scary to see the extent of it.

What muddles this is that eBay changed its fee structure, and there is
a lot of stuff listed with Buy It Now, that is overpriced and creates
an impression of high prices, but it is a false impression.

The one implication is that if you stil have a job and money, and
space in your shop, it is a great time to buy used stuff like this
right on ebay.

The other implication is that if you go to liquidation auctions
infrequently, it is a good idea to recheck the prices that you used
to base your bids on, in order to not overbid.

Agree? Disagree?


All markets fluctuate, it is the nature of markets. With less work there
may be more time on peoples hands to clear out there unused equipment or
they may need the bucks to make payroll until the customer that is already
60 days late comes through with payment.

When gas prices skyrocketed the used car market valued econoboxes more and
SUV's less.

As some firms go belly-up more equipment gets auctioned off and the prices
for used equipment goes down.

Situations always make deals.

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.

On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:34:42 -0600, Ignoramus13011
wrote:

I have had just a few observations of prices on things that I am
familiar with. And I think that outside of the realm of unsold
overpriced BuyItNow stuff, the prices for used industrial related
things that actually sell, are tanking dramatically.



Agree? Disagree?

I haven't been following machine related prices, but in late December
I talked to an antiques dealer who sells mostly on eBay and she said
things weren't moving. Quality items however still have a market she
noted. The prices may not have been at their highest, but they sold.

RWL

GeoLane at PTD dot NET wrote in message
...
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:34:42 -0600, Ignoramus13011
wrote:

I have had just a few observations of prices on things that I am
familiar with. And I think that outside of the realm of unsold
overpriced BuyItNow stuff, the prices for used industrial related
things that actually sell, are tanking dramatically.



Agree? Disagree?

I haven't been following machine related prices, but in late December
I talked to an antiques dealer who sells mostly on eBay and she said
things weren't moving. Quality items however still have a market she
noted. The prices may not have been at their highest, but they sold.

RWL

From my experiences with ebay, which include being a buyer, and being a
PowerSeller for two years .........

I think that ebay has weakened with buyers who are buying with disposable
income. People are belt tightening, and not so many buyers are there.

Collectors are taking advantage now of lower prices, but then competition
between buyers who do have disposable income is happening.

People who just "need' "stuff" are still there, buying according to need,
and not spending a lot of time waiting for the right price.

Regular buyers are still there who are using their savvy to pick up bargains
by watching out for the obvious.

I was a buyer three years before being a seller on ebay. The first thing I
learned (the hard way) is that there will always be another along soon. Be
patient, and you will probably be able to buy what you want, and for what
you want to spend.

Steve