I'm thinking about getting some parts made and I really don't know enough about the casting process to ask
intelegent questions.

I've seen companies that will take a 3D solid model
-do magic and turn these into a wax form for lost wax casting.


I have access to a 3D printer that does PVC.

Can you use PVC directly as the "Wax" in a lost wax system?


What kind of wax is used for lost wax ?
Can I cast my own wax in a PVC Mold to save some $$$?
Or will it melt/deform the PVC model?


If I have created wax "masters" where can I go to have some stainless castings
made?

what stainless materials are readily availible for casting?


On an object that is 14" high 7" in diameter and is basically a hollow tube
how thin can I make the walls?

Is the limit the structural strength of the wax or the accuracy of the casting process?


What would 3 or 4 protoypes cost me?
Assume a trumpet shaped tube 14" long and 7" max diameter, about 10 lbs of finished material.

Does the very act of asking these questions indicate I'm way out of my league and
should just send the 3D model out to have it quoted.


Paul

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:41:32 -0800, wrote:

I'm thinking about getting some parts made and I really don't know enough about the casting process to ask
intelegent questions.

I've seen companies that will take a 3D solid model
-do magic and turn these into a wax form for lost wax casting.

I have access to a 3D printer that does PVC.

Can you use PVC directly as the "Wax" in a lost wax system?

What kind of wax is used for lost wax ?
Can I cast my own wax in a PVC Mold to save some $$$?
Or will it melt/deform the PVC model?

If I have created wax "masters" where can I go to have some stainless castings
made?

what stainless materials are readily availible for casting?

On an object that is 14" high 7" in diameter and is basically a hollow tube
how thin can I make the walls?

Is the limit the structural strength of the wax or the accuracy of the casting process?


What would 3 or 4 protoypes cost me?
Assume a trumpet shaped tube 14" long and 7" max diameter, about 10 lbs of finished material.

Does the very act of asking these questions indicate I'm way out of my league and
should just send the 3D model out to have it quoted.


Paul
=============
Paul, perhaps it would be helpful to consider some alternative
production methods, particularly for one-offs and prototypes.

Given the cube [14X8X8 net] of your part a 3d "plotter" will be
expensive.

Three alternatives that come to mind a

(1) flame/thermal spraying onto a onetime use form. "With all
processes, the Substrate is not heated above (250°F), therefore
no distortion takes place." Outside processing widely available,
and the equipment is inexpensive enough for shop purchase/use
with a little volume. Wide range of materials. Drawback is that
the process is loud and tends to put dust everywhere.
http://www.whiteengineering.com/?gcl...FRwpawodQ0eY3A
http://www.flamesprayinc.com/process.htm
http://www.myplasticsindustry.com/CD...-/Details.aspx

(2) electro forming over a one time use form. Basically a very
heavy electroplate. Threat a wax form with graphite or
conductive paint to make conductive and plate. Depending on the
material you may be able to do this yourself with a battery
charger. Materials must be plateable. One drawback is that it is
slow [translation expensive]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroforming
http://www.drc.com/metrigraphics/electroforming.htm
http://www.ganoksin.com/borisat/nena...troforming.htm
http://www.dalmar.net/electroforming.htm

(3) an alternative material such as glass or carbon fiber
laminate over a one time use form. Drawback is considerable
skilled handiwork is required, and materials are toxic.
Generally can be done in house for small volumes. Try your local
marine supply as these are frequently used on boats [glass], also
home built ultra-light and model aircraft [graphite/carbon].
With the proper selection of "wax" and matrix you can laminate
over the form with no problems.
http://www.protechcomposites.com/Car...HBDAodc CcJnA
http://avtcomposites.com/
http://www.graphitestore.com/items_l.../141/cat_id/33

Good luck and let the group know what you come up with.


Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

In article ,
wrote:

On an object that is 14" high 7" in diameter and is basically a hollow tube
how thin can I make the walls?
....
Assume a trumpet shaped tube 14" long and 7" max diameter, about 10 lbs of
finished material.

I wonder if metal spinning would not be a more appropriate technique for
what you seek, when you ask "how thin" and then say trumpet shaped...

OTOH, I would guess that stainless is a bear to spin, if it has to be
stainless.

--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by

If these things resemble "tubes", why not just have them fabed up by
somebody who can roll SS sheet? Seams can be welded. That way you can
have walls that are pretty thin; think 40 thou or less and up to 1/2" or
more. People who work "sheet metal" can certainly make your "trumpet",
too.

Pete Stanaitis
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wrote:
I'm thinking about getting some parts made and I really don't know enough about the casting process to ask
intelegent questions.

I've seen companies that will take a 3D solid model
-do magic and turn these into a wax form for lost wax casting.


I have access to a 3D printer that does PVC.

Can you use PVC directly as the "Wax" in a lost wax system?


What kind of wax is used for lost wax ?
Can I cast my own wax in a PVC Mold to save some $$$?
Or will it melt/deform the PVC model?


If I have created wax "masters" where can I go to have some stainless castings
made?

what stainless materials are readily availible for casting?


On an object that is 14" high 7" in diameter and is basically a hollow tube
how thin can I make the walls?

Is the limit the structural strength of the wax or the accuracy of the casting process?


What would 3 or 4 protoypes cost me?
Assume a trumpet shaped tube 14" long and 7" max diameter, about 10 lbs of finished material.

Does the very act of asking these questions indicate I'm way out of my league and
should just send the 3D model out to have it quoted.


Paul

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:41:32 -0800, the infamous
scrawled the following:

I'm thinking about getting some parts made and I really don't know enough about the casting process to ask
intelegent questions.

Drop by your local library and look for books on the subject. I was
curious and found Tuck Langland's book _From Clay to Bronze_
enlightening. http://tinyurl.com/8yptyo

--
Even with the best of maps and instruments,
we can never fully chart our journeys.
-- Gail Pool