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Chemical experiment not going well
On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:59:56 -0600, Ignoramus25884
wrote: With my 7 year old, I was trying to do a simple experiment, which is extraction of oxygen and hydrogen from water by means of electrolysis. To that end, we used magnesium sulfate (epsom salt) as electrolyte, insulated copper wire with bare ends for electrodes, and a DC power supply for electricity. We collected hydrogen and oxygen into separate test tubes. The part that did not work is that only one of the electrodes produced any gas at all, and there was no gas coming out of the second electrode. After a while of this, one test tube filled with gas and the experiment stopped as the water was displaced from that electrode. So, my question is how come there is no gas on the second electrode. I do not understand why this is so, given that both the experiment book as well as Wikipedia says that magnesium should not oxidize? The water acquired bluish tint. WTF? This probably isn't going to work well for you if you don't use platinum as an electrode. You were getting hydrogen off of the cathode, but the anode was reacting with the oxygen as soon as it was produced, so you never saw it. (Obviously, you'd only gotten half as much as the hydrogen, anyway.) Maybe these guys can help..... http://www.carolina.com/product/phys...Matches&page=1 -- Forté Agent 5.00 Build 1163 "When a work lifts your spirits and inspires bold and noble thoughts in you, do not look for any other standard to judge by: the work is good, the product of a master craftsman." - Jean de la Bruyere (1645-1696) Homepage http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net...shop/index.htm ----------------- www.Newsgroup-Binaries.com - *Completion*Retention*Speed* Access your favorite newsgroups from home or on the road ----------------- |
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Chemical experiment not going well
Gene wrote:
On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:59:56 -0600, Ignoramus25884 wrote: With my 7 year old, I was trying to do a simple experiment, which is extraction of oxygen and hydrogen from water by means of electrolysis. To that end, we used magnesium sulfate (epsom salt) as electrolyte, insulated copper wire with bare ends for electrodes, and a DC power supply for electricity. We collected hydrogen and oxygen into separate test tubes. The part that did not work is that only one of the electrodes produced any gas at all, and there was no gas coming out of the second electrode. After a while of this, one test tube filled with gas and the experiment stopped as the water was displaced from that electrode. So, my question is how come there is no gas on the second electrode. I do not understand why this is so, given that both the experiment book as well as Wikipedia says that magnesium should not oxidize? The water acquired bluish tint. WTF? This probably isn't going to work well for you if you don't use platinum as an electrode. You were getting hydrogen off of the cathode, but the anode was reacting with the oxygen as soon as it was produced, so you never saw it. (Obviously, you'd only gotten half as much as the hydrogen, anyway.) You don't get weird secondary reactions if you stick with the lowest possible voltage. Use the largest flattest electrodes you can, as close as possible. The lower the resistance of the cell, the more current flow you get- which means you get more gas. you can also use baking soda, it's cheap and won't corrode everything near you. I've made gas generators in 500Ml nalgene squirt bottles. If you run enough current though it you ge the water to boil and end up with more steam than gas, which is a problem if you want hydrogen and oxygen for a fire. http://www.spirig.com has a section about how their electroyltic cells work. The torches they make are pretty nifty as well. The amount of heat they produce for the size of the flame is incredible, especially for soldering. |
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Chemical experiment not going well
Cydrome Leader writes:
Use the largest flattest electrodes you can, as close as possible. The lower the resistance of the cell, the more current flow you get- which means you get more gas. Remember, he's trying to collect the gas in a test tube. |
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