In the market for a 3" sine vise for my home shop, I tend to shy away from
the "asian" varieties but at about 1/2 the price I'm tempted...

When they quote square and parallel to 0.0002" can they be trusted?

Any other general comments?

"Terry Keeley" tkee(no wrote:

When they quote square and parallel to 0.0002" can they be trusted?


If you can't independantly qualify it, how can you trust it?

Wes

--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

On Sep 8, 5:45*pm, "Terry Keeley" tkee(no wrote:
In the market for a 3" sine vise for my home shop, I tend to shy away from
the "asian" varieties but at about 1/2 the price I'm tempted...

When they quote square and parallel to 0.0002" can they be trusted?

Any other general comments?

I don't know about the sine vises but the $25 set of 10 pairs
parallels I bought recently is not only matched but *accurate* to one
vernier division on a 0.0001" mike.

On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:45:59 -0400, "Terry Keeley" tkee(no
wrote:

In the market for a 3" sine vise for my home shop, I tend to shy away from
the "asian" varieties but at about 1/2 the price I'm tempted...

When they quote square and parallel to 0.0002" can they be trusted?

Any other general comments?


The toolmaker's vise I got from Shars was within the flatness and
squareness spec as best as I could tell with a surface plate, tenths
indicator and precision square. Their sine vise looks very much like
the vise I purchased.

http://www.shars.com/products/view/1...e_Vise_438quot
http://www.shars.com/products/view/1...ers_Vise_5quot

--
Ned Simmons

Wes writes:

"Terry Keeley" tkee(no wrote:

When they quote square and parallel to 0.0002" can they be trusted?


If you can't independantly qualify it, how can you trust it?

To the extent that you can trust the people making the claim, you can
trust their claim. That's a deliberately qualified statement.

"Terry Keeley" tkee(no wrote:

In the market for a 3" sine vise for my home shop, I tend to shy away from
the "asian" varieties but at about 1/2 the price I'm tempted...

When they quote square and parallel to 0.0002" can they be trusted?

Any other general comments?


The problem is Chinese quality can be all over the board. Now if you can measure (qualify
it ) and the supplier is good about taking back what doesn't meet their advertised specs
you might be able to inspect your way to a good one.


Are you using this for grinding applications or milling?

What kind of tolerances are you working to?

Wes

On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:50:55 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, Ned
Simmons quickly quoth:

On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:45:59 -0400, "Terry Keeley" tkee(no
wrote:

In the market for a 3" sine vise for my home shop, I tend to shy away from
the "asian" varieties but at about 1/2 the price I'm tempted...

When they quote square and parallel to 0.0002" can they be trusted?

Any other general comments?


The toolmaker's vise I got from Shars was within the flatness and
squareness spec as best as I could tell with a surface plate, tenths
indicator and precision square. Their sine vise looks very much like
the vise I purchased.

http://www.shars.com/products/view/1...e_Vise_438quot
http://www.shars.com/products/view/1...ers_Vise_5quot

I picked up this one: http://tinyurl.com/6lyoqj I believe the two
tenths figures are specs from the mill which is actually making these
beasties. The vise, laid on its side, sticks to the flat surface of
my table saw, so I'm sure they're VERY flat, even at that (then $30)
price.

--
Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life.
---- --Unknown

On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:45:59 -0400, "Terry Keeley" tkee(no
wrote:

In the market for a 3" sine vise for my home shop, I tend to shy away from
the "asian" varieties but at about 1/2 the price I'm tempted...

When they quote square and parallel to 0.0002" can they be trusted?

Any other general comments?


I picked up a new Chinese one on eBay for less than half the price of
the ones that HF was selling 5 or 7 years ago. Looks good (no play,
closes with no visible gaps etc), though I've not attempted to verify
the accuracy yet. Can hardly buy a drill press vise at Home Depot for
that. Would it matter much to you if it was 0.0005" rather than
0.0002"?
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

Thanks for all the input guys, I don't have a tenths mic that measures in
the range I'd need to properly check one, but it's encouraging the ones that
were checked seemed to be in tolerance.

I'm comparing the two here for example (bottom of page):

http://metalworking.mscdirect.com/CG...4&PMT4TP=*LTIP

I just for the life of me can't see how the import can be only 20% the cost
of the "name brand". I think the import would be adequate for the type of
mill work I do (have to hold +/- a couple thou.) but I don't want to run
into problems if I need to do something "real" close.

Think I'll look around for a gently used or surplus "domestic" unit as I
just can't justify the big $$$ for something that I'll use occasionally.
Failing that I guess I'll (reluctantly) go the import route...




"Terry Keeley" tkee(no wrote in message
...
In the market for a 3" sine vise for my home shop, I tend to shy away from
the "asian" varieties but at about 1/2 the price I'm tempted...

When they quote square and parallel to 0.0002" can they be trusted?

Any other general comments?

Terry
There will come a day when you'll curse the unnecessary vees cut into
the solid and movable jaws of most commercially available vises. Ditto
the huge undercut at the bottom of the solid jaw. You will also be
fooled by the screw at an angle someday. Just when you have spent
considerable time lining up a part in the vise you find that although
the screw is tight it is has not really tightened on your part. You
have absolutely no feel for how tight your part is being held.
Gene



Terry Keeley wrote:
In the market for a 3" sine vise for my home shop, I tend to shy away from
the "asian" varieties but at about 1/2 the price I'm tempted...

When they quote square and parallel to 0.0002" can they be trusted?

Any other general comments?

I ended up trading a buddy for his Atco 3", he wanted a new import vise so I
said "OK" and picked him up the 4" "Groz" at Busy Bee (Canadian for
Grizzly).

It says "Atco Pecision Tool Inc, Troy, MI" model 8V5-37, I can't find a
company website and Thomas Register comes up empty, anybody know if they're
still around?

Did/do they make good stuff?


"Terry Keeley" tkee(no wrote in message
...
In the market for a 3" sine vise for my home shop, I tend to shy away from
the "asian" varieties but at about 1/2 the price I'm tempted...

When they quote square and parallel to 0.0002" can they be trusted?

Any other general comments?

http://www.kellysearch.com/us-company-301088756.html or www.atoctool.com

This might be what you want.
Roger

"Terry Keeley" tkee(no wrote in message
...
I ended up trading a buddy for his Atco 3", he wanted a new import vise so
I said "OK" and picked him up the 4" "Groz" at Busy Bee (Canadian for
Grizzly).

It says "Atco Pecision Tool Inc, Troy, MI" model 8V5-37, I can't find a
company website and Thomas Register comes up empty, anybody know if
they're still around?

Did/do they make good stuff?


"Terry Keeley" tkee(no wrote in message
...
In the market for a 3" sine vise for my home shop, I tend to shy away
from the "asian" varieties but at about 1/2 the price I'm tempted...

When they quote square and parallel to 0.0002" can they be trusted?

Any other general comments?

Thanks, the direct link is dead and although there's lots of listings for
the Co. there's nothing on Thomas. Might have to try to call them Monday...


"Roger Paskell" wrote in message
...
http://www.kellysearch.com/us-company-301088756.html or www.atoctool.com

This might be what you want.
Roger

"Terry Keeley" tkee(no wrote in message
...
I ended up trading a buddy for his Atco 3", he wanted a new import vise so
I said "OK" and picked him up the 4" "Groz" at Busy Bee (Canadian for
Grizzly).

It says "Atco Pecision Tool Inc, Troy, MI" model 8V5-37, I can't find a
company website and Thomas Register comes up empty, anybody know if
they're still around?

Did/do they make good stuff?


"Terry Keeley" tkee(no wrote in message
...
In the market for a 3" sine vise for my home shop, I tend to shy away
from the "asian" varieties but at about 1/2 the price I'm tempted...

When they quote square and parallel to 0.0002" can they be trusted?

Any other general comments?

I checked this phone number and it got their answering machine, as it was
Sunday. work+1 248 3622826

Roger
"Terry Keeley" tkee(no wrote in message
...
I ended up trading a buddy for his Atco 3", he wanted a new import vise so
I said "OK" and picked him up the 4" "Groz" at Busy Bee (Canadian for
Grizzly).

It says "Atco Pecision Tool Inc, Troy, MI" model 8V5-37, I can't find a
company website and Thomas Register comes up empty, anybody know if
they're still around?

Did/do they make good stuff?


"Terry Keeley" tkee(no wrote in message
...
In the market for a 3" sine vise for my home shop, I tend to shy away
from the "asian" varieties but at about 1/2 the price I'm tempted...

When they quote square and parallel to 0.0002" can they be trusted?

Any other general comments?

Roger Paskell wrote:
I checked this phone number and it got their answering machine, as it
was Sunday. work+1 248 3622826


They are still in business.
I bought two rotary grinding fixtures from them recently.
The company was originally founded by a couple of guys that were working for
Suburban Tool.


--

John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com

Thanks, sounds like I got sumpin good!


"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
...
Roger Paskell wrote:
I checked this phone number and it got their answering machine, as it
was Sunday. work+1 248 3622826


They are still in business.
I bought two rotary grinding fixtures from them recently.
The company was originally founded by a couple of guys that were working
for
Suburban Tool.


--

John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com