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Update on welding class
Ignoramus29627 wrote:
I have had three classes already. I have learned one new thing, which is how to properly open and close valves on acetylene welding set. Which is slowly open valves, don't screw them full open in case you need to close them rapidly? Wes |
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On 2008-09-05, Wes wrote:
Ignoramus29627 wrote: I have had three classes already. I have learned one new thing, which is how to properly open and close valves on acetylene welding set. Which is slowly open valves, don't screw them full open in case you need to close them rapidly? There is a whole sequence to that, as I learned. It is much more than this. Assuming the tank valves are closed to begin with... Open valves on torch first, then close them, then turn regulator handles counterclockwise until they are clearly free from springs, open the tank valves (acetylene one a little bit, oxygen ALL the way), adjust regulators. Then closing: close tank valves, open torch valves, back out regulators. I hope that I did not forget anything. -- Due to extreme spam originating from Google Groups, and their inattention to spammers, I and many others block all articles originating from Google Groups. If you want your postings to be seen by more readers you will need to find a different means of posting on Usenet. http://improve-usenet.org/ |
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Sorry to hear your class is spending as much time as it is on
generalities/safety, and not as much on practical applications. The one I took struck a really good balance really quick: a good dose of safety and a list of materials the first day, melting metal by the second. After that, new book-learning on techniques was matched by practice. I hope yours speeds up! |
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On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:08:14 -0500, Ignoramus29627
wrote: snip There is a whole sequence to that, as I learned. It is much more than this. Assuming the tank valves are closed to begin with... Open valves on torch first, then close them, then turn regulator handles counterclockwise until they are clearly free from springs, open the tank valves (acetylene one a little bit, oxygen ALL the way), adjust regulators. Then closing: close tank valves, open torch valves, back out regulators. So which valve do you shut off first on a lit torch, the oxygen or acetylene? Old books/refs say to shut off the acy, new say to shut of the oxy... which way are they telling you? -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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Update on welding class
Wes wrote:
Ignoramus29627 wrote: I have had three classes already. I have learned one new thing, which is how to properly open and close valves on acetylene welding set. Which is slowly open valves, don't screw them full open in case you need to close them rapidly? For acetylene that's true. Only open it about 1/4 or 1/2 turn so you can close it quickly if needed. Acetylene is not very high pressure however so you can get away with that. What is it ... I forget, around 250 psi? For O2 and all the other high pressure welding gases (a few thousand PSI), you need to open it all the way up and allow the valve to seat against the back stop so the packing on the valve doesn't have to hold the full pressure while you use it. Then there is the order issues as iggy talked about. Wes -- Curt Welch http://CurtWelch.Com/ http://NewsReader.Com/ |
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"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas writes:
"Joe Pfeiffer" wrote in message ... Sorry to hear your class is spending as much time as it is on generalities/safety, and not as much on practical applications. The one I took struck a really good balance really quick: a good dose of safety and a list of materials the first day, melting metal by the second. After that, new book-learning on techniques was matched by practice. I hope yours speeds up! I, on the other hand, am glad you have an instructor who values your fingers and eyes as much as you do. There's a lot of ABC's to be learned before writing essays, as there is fundamentals before welding. Very true, and I didn't mean to imply otherwise -- we got what I think was a thick dose of safety (and I don't mean to imply this is a bad thing!), but didn't spend a lot of time on "generalities" before getting into specific techniques. It was the latter I was really referring to. When I was in training to be a diver, I asked what the big deal was about learning to rig correctly. One of the old guys asked, "What the heck do you think you'll be doing underwater, watching fish?" You are paying for this. Learn all you can, even the simple stuff. It's all valuable, and if it keeps you from having one fire or losing one finger, it's important. Absolutely (and my father had nine fingers due to using a tablesaw one day when he was distracted). |
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"Joe Pfeiffer" wrote in message ... Sorry to hear your class is spending as much time as it is on generalities/safety, and not as much on practical applications. The one I took struck a really good balance really quick: a good dose of safety and a list of materials the first day, melting metal by the second. After that, new book-learning on techniques was matched by practice. I hope yours speeds up! I, on the other hand, am glad you have an instructor who values your fingers and eyes as much as you do. There's a lot of ABC's to be learned before writing essays, as there is fundamentals before welding. When I was in training to be a diver, I asked what the big deal was about learning to rig correctly. One of the old guys asked, "What the heck do you think you'll be doing underwater, watching fish?" You are paying for this. Learn all you can, even the simple stuff. It's all valuable, and if it keeps you from having one fire or losing one finger, it's important. This stuff ain't rocket surgery, but it CAN kill you in a heartbeat. And if you go blind, they send you home. Steve (welder since 1974) |
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"Joe Pfeiffer" wrote in message ... "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas writes: "Joe Pfeiffer" wrote in message ... Sorry to hear your class is spending as much time as it is on generalities/safety, and not as much on practical applications. The one I took struck a really good balance really quick: a good dose of safety and a list of materials the first day, melting metal by the second. After that, new book-learning on techniques was matched by practice. I hope yours speeds up! I, on the other hand, am glad you have an instructor who values your fingers and eyes as much as you do. There's a lot of ABC's to be learned before writing essays, as there is fundamentals before welding. Very true, and I didn't mean to imply otherwise -- we got what I think was a thick dose of safety (and I don't mean to imply this is a bad thing!), but didn't spend a lot of time on "generalities" before getting into specific techniques. It was the latter I was really referring to. When I was in training to be a diver, I asked what the big deal was about learning to rig correctly. One of the old guys asked, "What the heck do you think you'll be doing underwater, watching fish?" You are paying for this. Learn all you can, even the simple stuff. It's all valuable, and if it keeps you from having one fire or losing one finger, it's important. Absolutely (and my father had nine fingers due to using a tablesaw one day when he was distracted). I've been welding now for over thirty years. I have had several high stress dangerous jobs in my life, seemingly gravitating to them. I've worked underwater, at heights, with explosives, run cranes and lots of other equipment, enough to now have a full blown case of PTSD. Yet, even with my "LOOKOUT" mentality sometimes, which aggravates others, I've seen lots of really dumb **** that cause people grief that was as simple as a guy using a gloved hand to guide steel cable onto a 10,000# hoist drum. Now he only has FOUR fingers. I think two things happen. Not enough time is spent on basics, and people just don't listen. I know how jazzed people are when they sign up for "welding classes", having been in many myself. Yet, imagine bringing in several clueless people to a shop full of power tools and high amperage equipment. Some of them shouldn't even be allowed to use a butter knife without supervision. They're a danger to themselves, but mainly to others. I can live with safety rules and safety tips. Steve |
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Update on welding class
On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 16:36:26 -0500, Ignoramus10032
wrote: On 2008-09-06, Leon Fisk wrote: On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:08:14 -0500, Ignoramus29627 wrote: snip There is a whole sequence to that, as I learned. It is much more than this. Assuming the tank valves are closed to begin with... Open valves on torch first, then close them, then turn regulator handles counterclockwise until they are clearly free from springs, open the tank valves (acetylene one a little bit, oxygen ALL the way), adjust regulators. Then closing: close tank valves, open torch valves, back out regulators. So which valve do you shut off first on a lit torch, the oxygen or acetylene? Old books/refs say to shut off the acy, new say to shut of the oxy... which way are they telling you? They told me to shut off acetylene first. Interesting, that is what the old literature says and what I do. Don't be surprised though if you find literature telling you to shut the oxygen off first. -- Leon Fisk Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b Remove no.spam for email |
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