I ****ing give up on the press in the United States. Reporting that all oil
platforms are being evacuated in the Gulf of Mexico. Saying that the RNC
should postpone their convention because of the hurricane.

In the first case, oil platforms are NEVER totally evacuated during ANY
hurricane. I know. I've been through three hurricanes on platforms. I
worked in the Gulf of Mexico for eight years on rigs, barges and boats.
When was the last time you heard of a hurricane blowing over a oil platform?
I don't believe it can be done, as they are engineered for waves forty feet
higher than a cat 5 storm. Lots of them keep on producing, and some even
keep on drilling, shutting down only when the winds reach a certain level,
then resuming drilling when they subside. It is almost an impossibility to
leave a platform totally abandoned and unattended, as someone has to be
there to actuate safety equipment in certain scenarios. In many cases (been
there, done that) personnel are trapped on the platforms because they miss
the escape window. They can't fly out because choppers are grounded, and
swinging over by manropes is Russian roulette.

This only shows the ignorance of the press and the yellow dog journalism of
the sensationalism rags they have become. And the stupidity of the American
public as to life in the real world.

And please, if anyone can, explain to me how the delaying of the Republican
convention, which is IIRC several miles away from the hurricane's path,
would help anything. Oh, it could be called a humanitarian deed, since
"normal humanitarians" would never conceive having a convention with a
hurricane going on. Well, let's take it to the next level, and just wait
until the weather is clear ALL OVER THE ****ING WORLD so we can show that
the Republicans are as kind and caring as the Democrats profess to be.
Would Barry, Hillary, Billary, and the gang have canceled theirs? Only if
it were in New Orleans or Houston.

Oh, well, the Repubics are getting the last laugh, picking up a HUGE (sorry
I can't put it in larger type font, and make HUGE red and bold) voter block
of women voters.

Barry, bend over, put your head between your legs, and kiss your ass goodbye
back home. I never believed in my lifetime I would see anyone stupider than
Jimmy Carter. Never say never.

Steve

--
"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere
critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly,
not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done."
Theodore Roosevelt 1891

SteveB wrote:
I ****ing give up on the press in the United States. Reporting that
all oil platforms are being evacuated in the Gulf of Mexico. Saying
that the RNC should postpone their convention because of the
hurricane.

In the first case, oil platforms are NEVER totally evacuated during
ANY hurricane. I know. I've been through three hurricanes on
platforms. I worked in the Gulf of Mexico for eight years on rigs,
barges and boats. When was the last time you heard of a hurricane
blowing over a oil platform? I don't believe it can be done, as they
are engineered for waves forty feet higher than a cat 5 storm. Lots
of them keep on producing, and some even keep on drilling, shutting
down only when the winds reach a certain level, then resuming
drilling when they subside. It is almost an impossibility to leave a
platform totally abandoned and unattended, as someone has to be there
to actuate safety equipment in certain scenarios. In many cases
(been there, done that) personnel are trapped on the platforms
because they miss the escape window. They can't fly out because
choppers are grounded, and swinging over by manropes is Russian
roulette.

This only shows the ignorance of the press and the yellow dog
journalism of the sensationalism rags they have become. And the
stupidity of the American public as to life in the real world.

And please, if anyone can, explain to me how the delaying of the
Republican convention, which is IIRC several miles away from the
hurricane's path, would help anything. Oh, it could be called a
humanitarian deed, since "normal humanitarians" would never conceive
having a convention with a hurricane going on. Well, let's take it
to the next level, and just wait until the weather is clear ALL OVER
THE ****ING WORLD so we can show that the Republicans are as kind and
caring as the Democrats profess to be. Would Barry, Hillary, Billary,
and the gang have canceled theirs? Only if it were in New Orleans or
Houston.

Oh, well, the Repubics are getting the last laugh, picking up a HUGE
(sorry I can't put it in larger type font, and make HUGE red and
bold) voter block of women voters.

Barry, bend over, put your head between your legs, and kiss your ass
goodbye back home. I never believed in my lifetime I would see
anyone stupider than Jimmy Carter. Never say never.

McCain could have picked a real personality like Hutchinson and gotten
votes. Palin won't get him anything he didn't already have. Well, he'll be
seriously laughed at now by both parties rather than just one.

He apparently hit Hooters on his speed dial by mistake or maybe that was
where he met with the "commitee" he consulted to finalize his selection. I
don't know which it was but he's clearly lost any genuine desire to win.
There is a point where being a "Maverick" crosses over into K00Kd0m and
McCain blew right by it with his selection.

You know, had bush not done such a crappy job Obama probably would have
waited to run.
Hillary is polarizing enough that a Republican would have had a genuine
chance this time around.

I'll be laughing at you when the arrests and trails get into full swing
buddy.
A Democratic Senate and Democratic House with a Democrat in the WH?
Joe Biden is going to bring on some serious payback and he's just the guy to
do it.

There won't be a Republican lawyer out of work for a decade.
All fair and square.
--

John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com

"John R. Carroll" wrote

I'll be laughing at you when the arrests and trails get into full swing
buddy.

You have no idea of what I think about what Obama is having the JD do
already!

Steve

"John R. Carroll" wrote

I'll be laughing at you when the arrests and trails get into full swing
buddy.

They've started already. God help us all.

http://frontpagemagazine.com/Article...3-318EE490CC79

SteveB wrote:
"John R. Carroll" wrote

I'll be laughing at you when the arrests and trails get into full
swing buddy.

They've started already. God help us all.


http://frontpagemagazine.com/Article...3-318EE490CC79


Filing a complaint and picking up the phone to your Attorney General are two
different things.
There are arrest warrants out for both Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld in the
EU today.

I'd like to see both of them and a host of others stand the dock in an
American court.

Ford never should have pardoned Nixon.

--

John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com

"John R. Carroll" wrote

I'd like to see both of them and a host of others stand the dock in an
American court.

Prolly be a kangaroo court like that feller who was impeached. What was his
name again?

Steve

SteveB wrote:
"John R. Carroll" wrote

I'd like to see both of them and a host of others stand the dock in
an American court.

Prolly be a kangaroo court like that feller who was impeached. What
was his name again?

There have beemn a couple but impeachment is a political trial. In other
words, it's our version of a kangaroo court and it's that way by design.

The courts I want to see put to use are the actual United States Federal
ones.

Another instance that's going to play out is the allegation in Ron Susskinds
book that the WH ordered the CIA to cobble up a document supporting our
invasion of Iraq. Dick Cheney's office to be precise.

The White House flat out denied the charges made and so did the CIA
employees referenced in the book.
Well, guess what. The interviews in question had been recorded and Susskind
had taken copius notes as well.
When Susskind published his material the denials stopped cold. His material
is direct evidence and backs up what he'd written. The CIA and WH were flat
out lying in their denials.

We are on to plan "B" now where the CIA is claiming Susskind shouldn't have
made the recordings.
They won't address the issue of authenticity unless you consider their
filing a lawsuit trying to block further publication as validation ( I do by
the way) and what all of this might eventually come down to after next
January 20th is the arrest and trial of Dick Cheney and several others. They
would be looking at potential life sentences if the don't prevail and given
the currently published statements and testimony that's public I can't think
of a single valid reason not to proceed with prosecutions.


Can you think of one?

--

John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:25:18 -0700, John R. Carroll wrote:

He apparently hit Hooters on his speed dial by mistake or maybe that was
where he met with the "commitee" he consulted to finalize his selection.
I don't know which it was but he's clearly lost any genuine desire to
win. There is a point where being a "Maverick" crosses over into K00Kd0m
and McCain blew right by it with his selection.

Good grief. What a misogynistic little turd you are. In two years of
governorship, Mrs. Palin has done more to reform the Republican party in
Alaska than Biden has done in 22 years nationally, however, feel free to
continue stroking yourself while contemplating this "serious payback".
Hopefully it'll keep you from the polls on election day.

*plonk*

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:46:00 -0800, The Gaijin
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:25:18 -0700, John R. Carroll wrote:

He apparently hit Hooters on his speed dial by mistake or maybe that was
where he met with the "commitee" he consulted to finalize his selection.
I don't know which it was but he's clearly lost any genuine desire to
win. There is a point where being a "Maverick" crosses over into K00Kd0m
and McCain blew right by it with his selection.

Good grief. What a misogynistic little turd you are. In two years of
governorship, Mrs. Palin has done more to reform the Republican party in
Alaska than Biden has done in 22 years nationally, however, feel free to
continue stroking yourself while contemplating this "serious payback".
Hopefully it'll keep you from the polls on election day.

*plonk*


I plonked Carroll a couple weeks ago, when he tried to use the recent
and tragic death of one of my family members as some sort of
bull**** weapon in a post.

One of the very few unforgivable things he could have done.

I waited for some indication he realized he ****ed up.
Apparently his ego prevents this.

I changed the kill file expiration date to Never.

Your discription is apt.

Gunner

"Confiscating wealth from those who have earned it, inherited it,
or got lucky is never going to help 'the poor.' Poverty isn't
caused by some people having more money than others, just as obesity
isn't caused by McDonald's serving super-sized orders of French fries
Poverty, like obesity, is caused by the life choices that dictate
results." - John Tucci,

"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message
...
I ****ing give up on the press in the United States.

gigantic rant about all sorts of stuff snipped

you cannot honestly turn the lack of knowlege of the press on a particular
subject into a politcal statement like you did. You can point out they are
wrong, and you can have your political opinions, but you have to recognize
that reporters do not know everything, and with the cutbacks, they know less
and less and can spend very little time in research. Almost anyone who
knows a lot about some subject will find errors in reporting on that
subject - that is not a political thing, that is what we get with the
monopilzation of our press and the loss of critical thinking skills by
having our schools pander to the lowest common denominator.

there are lots of smart folks on this NG, with a wide variety of opinions -
how about showing neural activity not just glandular reactions


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:50:17 -0700, "William Noble"
wrote:


"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message
...
I ****ing give up on the press in the United States.

gigantic rant about all sorts of stuff snipped

you cannot honestly turn the lack of knowlege of the press on a particular
subject into a politcal statement like you did. You can point out they are
wrong, and you can have your political opinions, but you have to recognize
that reporters do not know everything, and with the cutbacks, they know less
and less and can spend very little time in research. Almost anyone who
knows a lot about some subject will find errors in reporting on that
subject - that is not a political thing, that is what we get with the
monopilzation of our press and the loss of critical thinking skills by
having our schools pander to the lowest common denominator.

And you end up with statements like my favourite "Police seized a 22
gauge rifle......"
there are lots of smart folks on this NG, with a wide variety of opinions -
how about showing neural activity not just glandular reactions


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

My favorite was several years back when the battleship magazine exploded with black powder.

Bob Swinney
"Gerald Miller" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:50:17 -0700, "William Noble"
wrote:


"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message
...
I ****ing give up on the press in the United States.

gigantic rant about all sorts of stuff snipped

you cannot honestly turn the lack of knowlege of the press on a particular
subject into a politcal statement like you did. You can point out they are
wrong, and you can have your political opinions, but you have to recognize
that reporters do not know everything, and with the cutbacks, they know less
and less and can spend very little time in research. Almost anyone who
knows a lot about some subject will find errors in reporting on that
subject - that is not a political thing, that is what we get with the
monopilzation of our press and the loss of critical thinking skills by
having our schools pander to the lowest common denominator.

And you end up with statements like my favourite "Police seized a 22
gauge rifle......"
there are lots of smart folks on this NG, with a wide variety of opinions -
how about showing neural activity not just glandular reactions


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

"Robert Swinney" wrote in message
...
My favorite was several years back when the battleship magazine exploded
with black powder.

That's the kind of powder you'll find in battleship magazines, Bob. Those
16-inch guns are charged with sacks of black powder. They couldn't take the
pressure of anything else. That's why old photos of the New Jersey, the
Ohio, and so on show those huge blasts of smoke.

--
Ed Huntress


Bob Swinney
"Gerald Miller" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:50:17 -0700, "William Noble"
wrote:


"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message
...
I ****ing give up on the press in the United States.

gigantic rant about all sorts of stuff snipped

you cannot honestly turn the lack of knowlege of the press on a particular
subject into a politcal statement like you did. You can point out they
are
wrong, and you can have your political opinions, but you have to recognize
that reporters do not know everything, and with the cutbacks, they know
less
and less and can spend very little time in research. Almost anyone who
knows a lot about some subject will find errors in reporting on that
subject - that is not a political thing, that is what we get with the
monopilzation of our press and the loss of critical thinking skills by
having our schools pander to the lowest common denominator.

And you end up with statements like my favourite "Police seized a 22
gauge rifle......"
there are lots of smart folks on this NG, with a wide variety of
opinions -
how about showing neural activity not just glandular reactions


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"Robert Swinney" wrote in message
...
My favorite was several years back when the battleship magazine exploded
with black powder.

That's the kind of powder you'll find in battleship magazines, Bob. Those
16-inch guns are charged with sacks of black powder. They couldn't take
the pressure of anything else. That's why old photos of the New Jersey,
the Ohio...

That should be "Iowa," not Ohio.

--
Ed Huntress

On Aug 29, 7:39 pm, "Ed Huntress" wrote:
"Robert Swinney" wrote in message

...

My favorite was several years back when the battleship magazine exploded
with black powder.

That's the kind of powder you'll find in battleship magazines, Bob. Those
16-inch guns are charged with sacks of black powder. They couldn't take the
pressure of anything else. That's why old photos of the New Jersey, the
Ohio, and so on show those huge blasts of smoke.

--
Ed Huntress

You need to check your facts a bit closer on this. Battleships did
carry black powder, but the 16 inch guns use mostly smokeless powder.

Dan

"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
...

"Robert Swinney" wrote in message
...
My favorite was several years back when the battleship magazine exploded
with black powder.

That's the kind of powder you'll find in battleship magazines, Bob. Those
16-inch guns are charged with sacks of black powder. They couldn't take
the pressure of anything else. That's why old photos of the New Jersey,
the Ohio, and so on show those huge blasts of smoke.

--
Ed Huntress


So sorry, the propellant ISN'T black powder. Actually, it's a mix of
different propellants and grain sizes. There is some black powder but it is
@75% smokeless powder, and some HE.

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:50:17 -0700, "William Noble"
wrote:


"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message
...
I ****ing give up on the press in the United States.

gigantic rant about all sorts of stuff snipped

you cannot honestly turn the lack of knowlege of the press on a particular
subject into a politcal statement like you did. You can point out they are
wrong, and you can have your political opinions, but you have to recognize
that reporters do not know everything, and with the cutbacks, they know less
and less and can spend very little time in research. Almost anyone who
knows a lot about some subject will find errors in reporting on that
subject - that is not a political thing, that is what we get with the
monopilzation of our press and the loss of critical thinking skills by
having our schools pander to the lowest common denominator.

there are lots of smart folks on this NG, with a wide variety of opinions -
how about showing neural activity not just glandular reactions


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **


I think Steve hit one of WIlliams nerves..really really hard.

Icepick to the brain stem hard.

It appears that the Obamassiah may NOT be a shoe in....


He ventured forth to bring light to the world

The anointed one's pilgrimage to the Holy Land is a miracle in action
- and
a blessing to all his faithful followers
Gerard Baker

And it came to pass, in the eighth year of the reign of the evil Bush
the
Younger (The Ignorant), when the whole land from the Arabian desert to
the
shores of the Great Lakes had been laid barren, that a Child appeared
in the
wilderness.

The Child was blessed in looks and intellect. Scion of a simple
family,
offspring of a miraculous union, grandson of a typical white person
and an
African peasant. And yea, as he grew, the Child walked in the path of
righteousness, with only the occasional detour into the odd weed and a
little blow.

When he was twelve years old, they found him in the temple in the City
of
Chicago, arguing the finer points of community organisation with the
Prophet
Jeremiah and the Elders. And the Elders were astonished at what they
heard
and said among themselves: “Verily, who is this Child that he opens
our
hearts and minds to the audacity of hope?”

In the great Battles of Caucus and Primary he smote the conniving
Hillary,
wife of the deposed King Bill the Priapic and their barbarian hordes
of
Working Class Whites.

And so it was, in the fullness of time, before the harvest month of
the
appointed year, the Child ventured forth - for the first time - to
bring the
light unto all the world.

He travelled fleet of foot and light of camel, with a small retinue
that
consisted only of his loyal disciples from the tribe of the Media. He
ventured first to the land of the Hindu Kush, where the

Taleban had harboured the viper of al-Qaeda in their bosom, raining
terror
on all the world.

And the Child spake and the tribes of Nato immediately loosed the
Caveats
that had previously bound them. And in the great battle that ensued
the
forces of the light were triumphant. For as long as the

Child stood with his arms raised aloft, the enemy suffered great blows
and
the threat of terror was no more.

From there he went forth to Mesopotamia where he was received by the
great
ruler al-Maliki, and al-Maliki spake unto him and blessed his Sixteen
Month
Troop Withdrawal Plan even as the imperial warrior Petraeus tried to
destroy
it.

And lo, in Mesopotamia, a miracle occurred. Even though the Great
Surge of
Armour that the evil Bush had ordered had been a terrible mistake, a
waste
of vital military resources and doomed to end in disaster, the Child's
very
presence suddenly brought forth a great victory for the forces of the
light.

And the Persians, who saw all this and were greatly fearful, longed to
speak
with the Child and saw that the Child was the bringer of peace. At the
mention of his name they quickly laid aside their intrigues and beat
their
uranium swords into civil nuclear energy ploughshares.

From there the Child went up to the city of Jerusalem, and entered
through
the gate seated on an ass. The crowds of network anchors who had
followed
him from afar cheered “Hosanna” and waved great palm fronds and
strewed them
at his feet.

In Jerusalem and in surrounding Palestine, the Child spake to the
Hebrews
and the Arabs, as the Scripture had foretold. And in an instant, the
lion
lay down with the lamb, and the Israelites and Ishmaelites ended their
long
enmity and lived for ever after in peace.

As word spread throughout the land about the Child's wondrous works,
peoples
from all over flocked to hear him; Hittites and Abbasids; Obamacons
and
McCainiacs; Cameroonians and Blairites.

And they told of strange and wondrous things that greeted the news of
the
Child's journey. Around the world, global temperatures began to
decline, and
the ocean levels fell and the great warming was over.

The Great Prophet Algore of Nobel and Oscar, who many had believed was
the
anointed one, smiled and told his followers that the Child was the one
generations had been waiting for.

And there were other wonderful signs. In the city of the Street at the
Wall,
spreads on interbank interest rates dropped like manna from Heaven and
rates
on credit default swaps fell to the ground as dead birds from the
almond
tree, and the people who had lived in foreclosure were able to borrow
again.

Black gold gushed from the ground at prices well below $140 per
barrel. In
hospitals across the land the sick were cured even though they were
uninsured. And all because the Child had pronounced it.

And this is the testimony of one who speaks the truth and bears
witness to
the truth so that you might believe. And he knows it is the truth for
he saw
it all on CNN and the BBC and in the pages of The New York Times.

Then the Child ventured forth from Israel and Palestine and stepped
onto the
shores of the Old Continent. In the land of Queen Angela of Merkel,
vast
multitudes gathered to hear his voice, and he preached to them at
length.

But when he had finished speaking his disciples told him the crowd was
hungry, for they had had nothing to eat all the hours they had waited
for
him.

And so the Child told his disciples to fetch some food but all they
had was
five loaves and a couple of frankfurters. So he took the bread and the
frankfurters and blessed them and told his disciples to feed the
multitudes.
And when all had eaten their fill, the scraps filled twelve baskets.

Thence he travelled west to Mount Sarkozy. Even the beauteous Princess
Carla
of the tribe of the Bruni was struck by awe and she was great in love
with
the Child, but he was tempted not.

On the Seventh Day he walked across the Channel of the Angles to the
ancient
land of the hooligans. There he was welcomed with open arms by the
once
great prophet Blair and his successor, Gordon the Leper, and his
successor,
David the Golden One.

And suddenly, with the men appeared the archangel Gabriel and the
whole host
of the heavenly choir, ranks of cherubim and seraphim, all praising
God and
singing: “Yes, We Can.”
"Confiscating wealth from those who have earned it, inherited it,
or got lucky is never going to help 'the poor.' Poverty isn't
caused by some people having more money than others, just as obesity
isn't caused by McDonald's serving super-sized orders of French fries
Poverty, like obesity, is caused by the life choices that dictate
results." - John Tucci,

"William Noble" wrote in message
...

"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message
...
I ****ing give up on the press in the United States.

gigantic rant about all sorts of stuff snipped

you cannot honestly turn the lack of knowlege of the press on a particular
subject into a politcal statement like you did. You can point out they
are
wrong, and you can have your political opinions, but you have to recognize
that reporters do not know everything, and with the cutbacks, they know
less
and less and can spend very little time in research. Almost anyone who
knows a lot about some subject will find errors in reporting on that
subject - that is not a political thing, that is what we get with the
monopilzation of our press and the loss of critical thinking skills by
having our schools pander to the lowest common denominator.

there are lots of smart folks on this NG, with a wide variety of
opinions -
how about showing neural activity not just glandular reactions


What do you expect? It came from a right winger. He can't help himself from
being emotional and shooting from the lip instead of using his head.

Hawke

"William Noble" wrote:

you cannot honestly turn the lack of knowlege of the press on a particular
subject into a politcal statement like you did. You can point out they are
wrong, and you can have your political opinions, but you have to recognize
that reporters do not know everything, and with the cutbacks, they know less
and less and can spend very little time in research. Almost anyone who
knows a lot about some subject will find errors in reporting on that
subject - that is not a political thing, that is what we get with the
monopilzation of our press and the loss of critical thinking skills by
having our schools pander to the lowest common denominator.

I was going to beat on you a bit about the political motivations of reporters but I reread
the part about loss of critical thinking skills by having schools pander [snip] Far more
interesting part of your reply. Besides, most reporters are idiots, if they had a head on
their shoulders they would have a degree in hard sciences.

I belive that critical thinking skills interfere with indoctrination. Thus critical
thinking has been eliminated from the lessons guides.

A very liberal professor once told me, listen to what is said and what is not said. In
other words, learn a bit about the subject and notice what arguments are preached and what
arguments are ignored.

That is why you pay attention to your opponents to see if their arguments are being
addressed by the people you tend to support.

Wes

but you have to recognize that reporters do not know everything, and with
the cutbacks, they know less and less and can spend very little time in
research. *Almost anyone who knows a lot about some subject will find
errors in reporting on that subject - that is not a political thing, that is what
we get with the monopilzation of our press and the loss of critical thinking
skills by having our schools pander to the lowest common denominator.

But even the stuff they see every day and should know about, car
accidents,
town meetings, whatever, they have a hard time getting correct.

My mom recently said "in every case where I have known the details,
not once
has the paper had it right."

I suspect they just don't care. As long as it's vaguely correct and
will sell
papers, why spend the effort to dig any further?

On Sep 3, 7:51*am, " wrote:

My mom recently said "in every case where I have known the details,
not once
has the paper had it right."

I suspect they just don't care. *As long as it's vaguely correct and
will sell
papers, why spend the effort to dig any further?

How much respect for their readers does this show???

On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 04:51:49 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

but you have to recognize that reporters do not know everything, and with
the cutbacks, they know less and less and can spend very little time in
research. *Almost anyone who knows a lot about some subject will find
errors in reporting on that subject - that is not a political thing, that is what
we get with the monopilzation of our press and the loss of critical thinking
skills by having our schools pander to the lowest common denominator.

But even the stuff they see every day and should know about, car
accidents,
town meetings, whatever, they have a hard time getting correct.

My mom recently said "in every case where I have known the details,
not once
has the paper had it right."

I suspect they just don't care. As long as it's vaguely correct and
will sell
papers, why spend the effort to dig any further?
And passes spell cheque. Apparently the position of "Proof Reader" has
joined the Dodo, along with anyone who has lived in the community for
more than one year.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

Yep - and many of the offshore wells are remote control already.
The oil company man in Houston dials up by space and verifies the flow,
open the valve a but and measure temperature...... all from his desk in Houston
and the well in South East Asia.

The wells in the gulf are a walk in the park by any means to those in Asia.

Martin

Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
TSRA, Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member.
http://lufkinced.com/


SteveB wrote:
I ****ing give up on the press in the United States. Reporting that all oil
platforms are being evacuated in the Gulf of Mexico. Saying that the RNC
should postpone their convention because of the hurricane.

In the first case, oil platforms are NEVER totally evacuated during ANY
hurricane. I know. I've been through three hurricanes on platforms. I
worked in the Gulf of Mexico for eight years on rigs, barges and boats.
When was the last time you heard of a hurricane blowing over a oil platform?
I don't believe it can be done, as they are engineered for waves forty feet
higher than a cat 5 storm. Lots of them keep on producing, and some even
keep on drilling, shutting down only when the winds reach a certain level,
then resuming drilling when they subside. It is almost an impossibility to
leave a platform totally abandoned and unattended, as someone has to be
there to actuate safety equipment in certain scenarios. In many cases (been
there, done that) personnel are trapped on the platforms because they miss
the escape window. They can't fly out because choppers are grounded, and
swinging over by manropes is Russian roulette.

This only shows the ignorance of the press and the yellow dog journalism of
the sensationalism rags they have become. And the stupidity of the American
public as to life in the real world.

And please, if anyone can, explain to me how the delaying of the Republican
convention, which is IIRC several miles away from the hurricane's path,
would help anything. Oh, it could be called a humanitarian deed, since
"normal humanitarians" would never conceive having a convention with a
hurricane going on. Well, let's take it to the next level, and just wait
until the weather is clear ALL OVER THE ****ING WORLD so we can show that
the Republicans are as kind and caring as the Democrats profess to be.
Would Barry, Hillary, Billary, and the gang have canceled theirs? Only if
it were in New Orleans or Houston.

Oh, well, the Repubics are getting the last laugh, picking up a HUGE (sorry
I can't put it in larger type font, and make HUGE red and bold) voter block
of women voters.

Barry, bend over, put your head between your legs, and kiss your ass goodbye
back home. I never believed in my lifetime I would see anyone stupider than
Jimmy Carter. Never say never.

Steve



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"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message
...
I ****ing give up on the press in the United States. Reporting that all
oil platforms are being evacuated in the Gulf of Mexico. Saying that the
RNC should postpone their convention because of the hurricane.

What parts of "the press" are you reading, Steve? Virtually all of the
articles on the subject are saying it's the *RNC* that's considering
postponement. Tucker Bounds (a "McCain spokesman") is the one who suggested
that McCain is "monitoring the situation" and is considering the possibility
of postponement. Bush's staff also is watching to see if Bush should stay
home because of the storm.

The story apparently got started when Fox News reported on a statement by
Jill Hazelbaker (McCain's communications director and notorious New Jersey
political sock puppet) that McCain was considering postponement. Bounds then
confirmed it.

So the story the press is reporting came from the RNC itself. I didn't see
anything suggesting that the press is telling the RNC that they "should"
postpone it.

As for the rest of your post, about evacuation, you need to read a better
class of newspapers. The New York Times reported the story accurately,
including the fact that oil prices actually dropped today.

--
Ed Huntress

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:59:43 -0800, "SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas
wrote:

I ****ing give up on the press in the United States. Reporting that all oil
platforms are being evacuated in the Gulf of Mexico. Saying that the RNC
should postpone their convention because of the hurricane.

In the first case, oil platforms are NEVER totally evacuated during ANY
hurricane. I know. I've been through three hurricanes on platforms. I
worked in the Gulf of Mexico for eight years on rigs, barges and boats.
When was the last time you heard of a hurricane blowing over a oil platform?
I don't believe it can be done, as they are engineered for waves forty feet
higher than a cat 5 storm. Lots of them keep on producing, and some even
keep on drilling, shutting down only when the winds reach a certain level,
then resuming drilling when they subside. It is almost an impossibility to
leave a platform totally abandoned and unattended, as someone has to be
there to actuate safety equipment in certain scenarios. In many cases (been
there, done that) personnel are trapped on the platforms because they miss
the escape window. They can't fly out because choppers are grounded, and
swinging over by manropes is Russian roulette.

This only shows the ignorance of the press and the yellow dog journalism of
the sensationalism rags they have become. And the stupidity of the American
public as to life in the real world.

And please, if anyone can, explain to me how the delaying of the Republican
convention, which is IIRC several miles away from the hurricane's path,
would help anything. Oh, it could be called a humanitarian deed, since
"normal humanitarians" would never conceive having a convention with a
hurricane going on. Well, let's take it to the next level, and just wait
until the weather is clear ALL OVER THE ****ING WORLD so we can show that
the Republicans are as kind and caring as the Democrats profess to be.
Would Barry, Hillary, Billary, and the gang have canceled theirs? Only if
it were in New Orleans or Houston.

Oh, well, the Repubics are getting the last laugh, picking up a HUGE (sorry
I can't put it in larger type font, and make HUGE red and bold) voter block
of women voters.

Barry, bend over, put your head between your legs, and kiss your ass goodbye
back home. I never believed in my lifetime I would see anyone stupider than
Jimmy Carter. Never say never.

Steve


Indeed. Hillary is gonna get the last laugh..as a huge chunk of her
supporters vote Republcian for the first time, simply because they
will vote for Sarah Palin

Gunner

"Confiscating wealth from those who have earned it, inherited it,
or got lucky is never going to help 'the poor.' Poverty isn't
caused by some people having more money than others, just as obesity
isn't caused by McDonald's serving super-sized orders of French fries
Poverty, like obesity, is caused by the life choices that dictate
results." - John Tucci,

I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that Gunner Asch
wrote on Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:18:23 -0700
in rec.crafts.metalworking :

Barry, bend over, put your head between your legs, and kiss your ass goodbye
back home. I never believed in my lifetime I would see anyone stupider than
Jimmy Carter. Never say never.

Steve


Indeed. Hillary is gonna get the last laugh..as a huge chunk of her
supporters vote Republcian for the first time, simply because they
will vote for Sarah Palin

And they will be voting for Palin in part because the nastiness of
the Democrat party hacks who hate her because she's a girl, a mother,
a wife, and not a down syndrome fetus "euthanizing" liberal.

Obama, raises taxes and kills babies. Sarah Palin - raises babies
and kills taxes.

--
pyotr filipivich
"I had just been through hell and must have looked like death warmed
over walking into the saloon, because when I asked the bartender
whether they served zombies he said, ‘Sure, what'll you have?'"
from I Hear America Swinging by Peter DeVries

pyotr filipivich wrote:


Obama, raises taxes and kills babies. Sarah Palin - raises babies
and kills taxes.


Thank you pyotr, stolen for sig.


technomaNge
--
Obama - raises taxes and kills babies.
Sarah Palin - raises babies and kills taxes.

pyotr filipivich wrote in
:

Obama, raises taxes and kills babies. Sarah Palin - raises babies
and kills taxes.


May I quote you on that?

It's the best "catchphrase" for this election that I've encountered!


--
I used to be an anarchist but had to give it up: _far_ too many rules.

On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:52:59 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Obama, raises taxes and kills babies. Sarah Palin - raises babies
and kills taxes.


SIG MATERIAL!!!!

May I?

Gunner

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the
means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not
making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of
it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different
countries, that the more public provisions were made for the
poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became
poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the
more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin
Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:59:43 -0800, "SteveB"
toquerville@zionvistas wrote:

I ****ing give up on the press in the United States.
snip
========
Interesting responses, but such lapses are to be expected as the
US media attempts to "right size" down to where they can make a
profit to pay off their huge leveraged buyout/consolidation
loans. Interesting mind set in that many of the papers are also
reducing the circulation of their papers and then complaining
when the ad revenue decreases again. For example the Kansas City
Star and the Dallas news are both major papers in their area [KC
Star in my area now], but to cut expenses, they cut press runs
and distribution and then were "shocked, shocked" when their
revenues fell. WTF???

The older journalists and copy editors have been retired/axed and
have been replaced with new college grads with "journalism"
majors (and little else). For the most part the new hires do the
best they can, but have limited experience in any field, and in
any event, agreement with the ideology of the new owners is far
more critical than any field of knowledge [e.g. the WSJ].

This appears to be a common trend throughout all areas in the US,
but you are more aware of the [affects/effects] of trend in the
media because you have some knowledge of the particular area
reported. Just remember that this covers all the other areas
about which they report "news" including politics and economics.

Unfortunately this trend of "saving money" by hiring cheap help
[and firing the better paid, but competent] does not appear to be
limited to the media and Circuit City, but includes the
hospitals, law enforcement, automobile and aircraft manufacture,
etc. Some recent examples are the surge in people with chest
pains and shortness of breath dying in hospital emergency rooms
after waiting for treatment for several hours.

Old Marx brothers routine that is still true today:

You want good? I got good.

You want cheap? I got cheap.

You want good and cheap? I no got good and cheap.


Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

"F. George McDuffee" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:59:43 -0800, "SteveB"
toquerville@zionvistas wrote:

I ****ing give up on the press in the United States.
snip
========
Interesting responses, but such lapses are to be expected as the
US media attempts to "right size" down to where they can make a
profit to pay off their huge leveraged buyout/consolidation
loans.

Did you read any of the articles? Did you see anything remotely like what
Steve was claiming? I read the NYT and six or seven from Google News, all
from majors. There wasn't a hint of the press "suggesting" a delay in any of
them. It all came originally from a Fox News interview with a RNC official,
who made the suggestion herself.

snip

--
Ed Huntress

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:33:36 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"F. George McDuffee" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:59:43 -0800, "SteveB"
toquerville@zionvistas wrote:

I ****ing give up on the press in the United States.
snip
========
Interesting responses, but such lapses are to be expected as the
US media attempts to "right size" down to where they can make a
profit to pay off their huge leveraged buyout/consolidation
loans.

Did you read any of the articles? Did you see anything remotely like what
Steve was claiming? I read the NYT and six or seven from Google News, all
from majors. There wasn't a hint of the press "suggesting" a delay in any of
them. It all came originally from a Fox News interview with a RNC official,
who made the suggestion herself.

snip
=========
Indeed, and this is what getting your news on the cheap is all
about, i.e. copying handouts and press releases with no analysis
and fact checking. To see what we are talking about click on
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5972517.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...082803165.html
http://www.postchronicle.com/news/br...12168181.shtml
and about 68,900 more if you google on rnc convention
postponement OR delay

On the other hand landfall of a major storm into the gulf states
will cause some problems in that a number of delegates, etc. are
also officials of these states that would be impacted and may be
needed at home, and communications into these areas may be a
problem.

The most critical aspect from the RNC viewpoint may be that a
major storm will pre-empt the news coverage and hype of [most of]
their convention. Tough for the political gas bags to get any
air time when 100+ MPH winds are blowing outside, the shingles
are coming off the roof and levees are failing....


Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:33:36 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:
snip
Did you read any of the articles? Did you see anything remotely like what
Steve was claiming? I read the NYT and six or seven from Google News, all
from majors. There wasn't a hint of the press "suggesting" a delay in any of
them. It all came originally from a Fox News interview with a RNC official,
who made the suggestion herself.
snip
===============
Update
---------
Aug 31, 5:18 PM (ET)

By DAVID ESPO

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) - John McCain tore up the script for his
Republican National Convention on Sunday, ordering the
cancellation of all but essential opening-day activities as
Hurricane Gustav churned toward New Orleans.
snip
Bush and Vice President Cheney scrapped plans to address the
convention on Monday, and McCain's aides chartered a jet to fly
delegates back to their hurricane-threatened states along the
Gulf Coast. Campaign manager Rick Davis said the first-night
program was being cut from seven hours to two and one half.
snip
In an interview with NBC, he said it was possible he would make
his acceptance speech not from the convention podium but via
satellite from the Gulf Coast region.
snip
--------------
For the entire article click on
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080831/D92TGN381.html

Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

F. George McDuffee wrote:
On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:33:36 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:
snip
Did you read any of the articles? Did you see anything remotely like
what Steve was claiming? I read the NYT and six or seven from Google
News, all from majors. There wasn't a hint of the press "suggesting"
a delay in any of them. It all came originally from a Fox News
interview with a RNC official, who made the suggestion herself.
snip
===============
Update
---------
Aug 31, 5:18 PM (ET)

By DAVID ESPO

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) - John McCain tore up the script for his
Republican National Convention on Sunday, ordering the
cancellation of all but essential opening-day activities as
Hurricane Gustav churned toward New Orleans.
snip
Bush and Vice President Cheney scrapped plans to address the
convention on Monday, and McCain's aides chartered a jet to fly
delegates back to their hurricane-threatened states along the
Gulf Coast. Campaign manager Rick Davis said the first-night
program was being cut from seven hours to two and one half.
snip
In an interview with NBC, he said it was possible he would make
his acceptance speech not from the convention podium but via
satellite from the Gulf Coast region.
snip

Could someone please explain to my the constructive good to be derived from
an Arizona Senator traipsing around the Gulf Coast in the middle of an
emergency?
Bush hasn't taken the hint and packed it in has he?


--

John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:19:53 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:

Could someone please explain to my the constructive good to be derived from
an Arizona Senator traipsing around the Gulf Coast in the middle of an
emergency?
Bush hasn't taken the hint and packed it in has he?
============
From his perspective he gets *LOTS* more air time and can show he
"did something."


Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
...
F. George McDuffee wrote:
On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:33:36 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:
snip
Did you read any of the articles? Did you see anything remotely like
what Steve was claiming? I read the NYT and six or seven from Google
News, all from majors. There wasn't a hint of the press "suggesting"
a delay in any of them. It all came originally from a Fox News
interview with a RNC official, who made the suggestion herself.
snip
===============
Update
---------
Aug 31, 5:18 PM (ET)

By DAVID ESPO

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) - John McCain tore up the script for his
Republican National Convention on Sunday, ordering the
cancellation of all but essential opening-day activities as
Hurricane Gustav churned toward New Orleans.
snip
Bush and Vice President Cheney scrapped plans to address the
convention on Monday, and McCain's aides chartered a jet to fly
delegates back to their hurricane-threatened states along the
Gulf Coast. Campaign manager Rick Davis said the first-night
program was being cut from seven hours to two and one half.
snip
In an interview with NBC, he said it was possible he would make
his acceptance speech not from the convention podium but via
satellite from the Gulf Coast region.
snip

Could someone please explain to my the constructive good to be derived
from
an Arizona Senator traipsing around the Gulf Coast in the middle of an
emergency?
Bush hasn't taken the hint and packed it in has he?

They all appear to be headed down there. Cheney is ****ed that it's messing
up his quail hunting trip, worried that the quail will all be blown into
Saskatchewan. The delegates from LA, MS and TX want to sight in their rifles
so they're ready to shoot looters. And Bush just loves to watch a good
storm. d8-)

Seriously, I think the thing they fear most right now is appearing
insensitive, partying while people are dying in the hurricane. It would make
the fallout from Katrina look like a picnic.

Unlike Michael Moore, I'm not happy about this. I worry most about the
people in the path of the storm, and I think the Republicans are doing the
right thing by shutting down their party while it's going on. But I really
wanted to see them respond on equal terms to the Democrats. Now, the whole
debate is up in the air.

--
Ed Huntress

On Aug 30, 8:05 am, F. George McDuffee
Interesting responses, but such lapses are to be expected as the
US media attempts to "right size" down to where they can make a
profit to pay off their huge leveraged buyout/consolidation
loans.

Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------

I can remember the press doing a less than stellar job in about 1962
or 1963. This is not a new thing, but may be worse now.

Those that can, do
Those that can't, teach
Those that can't teach go into journalism.

Journalism is much like " Art History " except there is a greater
chance of getting a job.

Dan

SteveB toquerville@zionvistas wrote:
I ****ing give up on the press in the United States. Reporting that all oil
platforms are being evacuated in the Gulf of Mexico. Saying that the RNC
should postpone their convention because of the hurricane.

In the first case, oil platforms are NEVER totally evacuated during ANY
hurricane. I know. I've been through three hurricanes on platforms. I

This one was ditched "Thunder Horse"

http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cf...ontentID=44933

hell, there's even a website about sinking oil rigs

http://www.oilrigdisasters.co.uk/

Cydrome Leader wrote:
SteveB toquerville@zionvistas wrote:
I ****ing give up on the press in the United States. Reporting that all oil
platforms are being evacuated in the Gulf of Mexico. Saying that the RNC
should postpone their convention because of the hurricane.

In the first case, oil platforms are NEVER totally evacuated during ANY
hurricane. I know. I've been through three hurricanes on platforms. I

This one was ditched "Thunder Horse"

http://www.isa.org/InTechTemplate.cf...ontentID=44933

hell, there's even a website about sinking oil rigs

http://www.oilrigdisasters.co.uk/



more interesting info on wrecked rigs:

The final toll for Katrina was:

* 47 platforms destroyed with 20 suffering extensive damage.

there's some impressive pics too, I like the rig wedged under a bridge the
best.

http://home.versatel.nl/the_sims/rig/h-katrina.htm