On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:07:57 -0500, cavelamb himself
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:06:29 -0500, cavelamb himself
wrote:


Is it really a lie if you believe it heart and soul?


If you think that Gunner believes half the things he says, then you believe
he's a psychotic moron. He's not psychotic, and he's not a moron.

--
Ed Huntress



I'm not so sure it's that simple, Ed.
Psychology being what it is...

People seem to believe a lot of strange stuff these days.
Some people seem to feel very threatened when things change on them.

Like, for instance, a black man running for President of the United States?

If one's belief system doesn't allow for that to happen, is convinced
that such a possibility must be stopped at any price, then is it lying?

I'd agree that Gunner is no moron.

But the psychotic part?

Based on what we've seen here?

WYSIWYG...



Son...Id not pass the tests for CCW every two years if I were a
nutbar.

I dunno about that, "old boy",
The CCW permit doesn't require a psyc evaluation.

In which starte are you referring to? In California..I had to have an
oral review.

And I know a few who are pretty extreem, but still have a ccw.

Emotionally extreme and act on it?

Those are called Liberal Activists, or criminals...its hard to tell
the difference.

On the other hand...remember what Barry Goldwater said...

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice; moderation in the
pursuit of justice is no virtue"




He ventured forth to bring light to the world

The anointed one's pilgrimage to the Holy Land is a miracle in
action - and a blessing to all his faithful followers Gerard
Baker

And it came to pass, in the eighth year of the reign of the evil
Bush the Younger (The Ignorant), when the whole land from the
Arabian desert to the shores of the Great Lakes had been laid
barren, that a Child appeared in the wilderness.

The Child was blessed in looks and intellect. Scion of a simple
family, offspring of a miraculous union, grandson of a typical
white person and an African peasant. And yea, as he grew, the
Child walked in the path of righteousness, with only the
occasional detour into the odd weed and a little blow.

When he was twelve years old, they found him in the temple in
the City of Chicago, arguing the finer points of community
organisation with the Prophet Jeremiah and the Elders. And the
Elders were astonished at what they heard and said among
themselves: “Verily, who is this Child that he opens our hearts
and minds to the audacity of hope?”

In the great Battles of Caucus and Primary he smote the
conniving Hillary, wife of the deposed King Bill the Priapic and
their barbarian hordes of Working Class Whites.

And so it was, in the fullness of time, before the harvest month
of the appointed year, the Child ventured forth - for the first
time - to bring the light unto all the world.

He travelled fleet of foot and light of camel, with a small
retinue that consisted only of his loyal disciples from the
tribe of the Media. He ventured first to the land of the Hindu
Kush, where the

Taleban had harboured the viper of al-Qaeda in their bosom,
raining terror on all the world.

And the Child spake and the tribes of Nato immediately loosed
the Caveats that had previously bound them. And in the great
battle that ensued the forces of the light were triumphant. For
as long as the

Child stood with his arms raised aloft, the enemy suffered great
blows and the threat of terror was no more.

From there he went forth to Mesopotamia where he was received by
the great ruler al-Maliki, and al-Maliki spake unto him and
blessed his Sixteen Month Troop Withdrawal Plan even as the
imperial warrior Petraeus tried to destroy it.

And lo, in Mesopotamia, a miracle occurred. Even though the
Great Surge of Armour that the evil Bush had ordered had been a
terrible mistake, a waste of vital military resources and doomed
to end in disaster, the Child's very presence suddenly brought
forth a great victory for the forces of the light.

And the Persians, who saw all this and were greatly fearful,
longed to speak with the Child and saw that the Child was the
bringer of peace. At the mention of his name they quickly laid
aside their intrigues and beat their uranium swords into civil
nuclear energy ploughshares.

From there the Child went up to the city of Jerusalem, and
entered through the gate seated on an ass. The crowds of network
anchors who had followed him from afar cheered “Hosanna” and
waved great palm fronds and strewed them at his feet.

In Jerusalem and in surrounding Palestine, the Child spake to
the Hebrews and the Arabs, as the Scripture had foretold. And in
an instant, the lion lay down with the lamb, and the Israelites
and Ishmaelites ended their long enmity and lived for ever after
in peace.

As word spread throughout the land about the Child's wondrous
works, peoples from all over flocked to hear him; Hittites and
Abbasids; Obamacons and McCainiacs; Cameroonians and Blairites.

And they told of strange and wondrous things that greeted the
news of the Child's journey. Around the world, global
temperatures began to decline, and the ocean levels fell and the
great warming was over.

The Great Prophet Algore of Nobel and Oscar, who many had
believed was the anointed one, smiled and told his followers
that the Child was the one generations had been waiting for.

And there were other wonderful signs. In the city of the Street
at the Wall, spreads on interbank interest rates dropped like
manna from Heaven and rates on credit default swaps fell to the
ground as dead birds from the almond tree, and the people who
had lived in foreclosure were able to borrow again.

Black gold gushed from the ground at prices well below $140 per
barrel. In hospitals across the land the sick were cured even
though they were uninsured. And all because the Child had
pronounced it.

And this is the testimony of one who speaks the truth and bears
witness to the truth so that you might believe. And he knows it
is the truth for he saw it all on CNN and the BBC and in the
pages of The New York Times.

Then the Child ventured forth from Israel and Palestine and
stepped onto the shores of the Old Continent. In the land of
Queen Angela of Merkel, vast multitudes gathered to hear his
voice, and he preached to them at length.

But when he had finished speaking his disciples told him the
crowd was hungry, for they had had nothing to eat all the hours
they had waited for him.

And so the Child told his disciples to fetch some food but all
they had was five loaves and a couple of frankfurters. So he
took the bread and the frankfurters and blessed them and told
his disciples to feed the multitudes. And when all had eaten
their fill, the scraps filled twelve baskets.

Thence he travelled west to Mount Sarkozy. Even the beauteous
Princess Carla of the tribe of the Bruni was struck by awe and
she was great in love with the Child, but he was tempted not.

On the Seventh Day he walked across the Channel of the Angles to
the ancient land of the hooligans. There he was welcomed with
open arms by the once great prophet Blair and his successor,
Gordon the Leper, and his successor, David the Golden One.

And suddenly, with the men appeared the archangel Gabriel and
the whole host of the heavenly choir, ranks of cherubim and
seraphim, all praising God and singing: “Yes, We Can.”

"Confiscating wealth from those who have earned it, inherited it,
or got lucky is never going to help 'the poor.' Poverty isn't
caused by some people having more money than others, just as obesity
isn't caused by McDonald's serving super-sized orders of French fries
Poverty, like obesity, is caused by the life choices that dictate
results." - John Tucci,

In article ,
Gunner Asch wrote:

What part of Read His Books did you not comprehend?

He *has* read the books and the parts you cite don't seem to be in them.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. You've made
extraordinary claims, yet the only proof you're being asked for is a
simple reference. Which you don't seem able to provide.

--
-Ed Falk,
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 18:35:49 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

So, back to the book. At the end of the book, the gun culture has
won. But it has also established (or maybe reestablished) the use of
political murder as an option. That when it comes to "redress of
grievances" Direct Action is included. It might keep the politicians
honest, but ... unless a national consensus can be reestablished on
what is The American Way, there is likely to be some spontaneous
"recall" moments.

You say that, like its a bad thing?

Well, considering that the liberals have disarmed themselves, that
might not be such a problem.

indeed



"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the
name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program
until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it
happened." -- Norman Thomas, American socialist