My 2 year, 11 months and 1 week old Viewsonic flat screen monitor crapped out recently. Yeah,
that's right, it had only 3 weeks to go on the original 3-year warranty. I called Viewsonic and
they gave me a RMA for return to Walnut, CA. The 19 inch monitor was replaced with a 22 inch model
of better specs than original. I can't say enough about Viewsonic.

Bob Swinney

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Robert Swinney wrote:
My 2 year, 11 months and 1 week old Viewsonic flat screen monitor crapped out recently. Yeah,
that's right, it had only 3 weeks to go on the original 3-year warranty. I called Viewsonic and
they gave me a RMA for return to Walnut, CA. The 19 inch monitor was replaced with a 22 inch model
of better specs than original. I can't say enough about Viewsonic.

Bob Swinney

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Decent products and support might be why they're one of the few old
monitor makers still in business.

On Aug 12, 4:29*pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
Robert Swinney wrote:
...I can't say enough about Viewsonic.
Decent products and support might be why they're one of the few old
monitor makers still in business.

Does anyone have good or bad experience with their monitors with built-
in ATSC tuners?

Cydrome Leader wrote:

Decent products and support might be why they're one of the few old
monitor makers still in business.

Back in the 90s I used a lot of them. Not as nice as my NEC multisyncs but a solid
monitor for a decent price. Glad they still are in business.

Wes

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:30:50 -0500, "Robert Swinney"
wrote:

My 2 year, 11 months and 1 week old Viewsonic flat screen monitor crapped out recently. Yeah,
that's right, it had only 3 weeks to go on the original 3-year warranty. I called Viewsonic and
they gave me a RMA for return to Walnut, CA. The 19 inch monitor was replaced with a 22 inch model
of better specs than original. I can't say enough about Viewsonic.

Bob Swinney

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My 2 year old 19" LG Flatron started blinking on "wake up" a couple
months ago. Warranty - 3 Yr. on monitor itself, 1 year on back light.
I contacted the local LG repair depot and was told that they don't
repair, only replace monitors and gave me the contact info. RMA was
declined since they diagnosed the problem to be the power adapter and
gave me a phone # to give them my shipping address. The package
arrived three days later, only to turn out to be a power cord (billed
out at $17.30)
After several e-mails and phone calls, I got P****d off and started a
new request for RMA and, once again was requested to phone with
shipping information. This time I almost needed a water cooled
telephone, but I got results. Sure enough, when the power adapter
arrived, I plugged it in and its working fine now, over a month later
(due to some idiot part picker/shipping clerk)
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

This time I almost needed a water cooled
telephone,

That's funny

Robert Swinney wrote:
My 2 year, 11 months and 1 week old Viewsonic flat screen monitor crapped out recently. Yeah,
that's right, it had only 3 weeks to go on the original 3-year warranty. I called Viewsonic and
they gave me a RMA for return to Walnut, CA. The 19 inch monitor was replaced with a 22 inch model
of better specs than original. I can't say enough about Viewsonic.

Bob Swinney

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I had a similar thing happen. Received a new monitor with probably less than a year to go
on the warranty. I'd gotten mine through a local dealer and worked everything through
them. No having to ship, etc.

On 2008-08-13, Al Patrick wrote:
Robert Swinney wrote:
My 2 year, 11 months and 1 week old Viewsonic flat screen monitor crapped out recently. Yeah,
that's right, it had only 3 weeks to go on the original 3-year warranty. I called Viewsonic and
they gave me a RMA for return to Walnut, CA. The 19 inch monitor was replaced with a 22 inch model
of better specs than original. I can't say enough about Viewsonic.

Bob Swinney

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **


I had a similar thing happen. Received a new monitor with probably less than a year to go
on the warranty. I'd gotten mine through a local dealer and worked everything through
them. No having to ship, etc.

Same thing with Acer LCD monitor.

i

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:49:24 -0400, Al Patrick wrote:

Robert Swinney wrote:
My 2 year, 11 months and 1 week old Viewsonic flat screen monitor crapped out recently. Yeah,
that's right, it had only 3 weeks to go on the original 3-year warranty. I called Viewsonic and
they gave me a RMA for return to Walnut, CA. The 19 inch monitor was replaced with a 22 inch model
of better specs than original. I can't say enough about Viewsonic.

Bob Swinney

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **


I had a similar thing happen. Received a new monitor with probably less than a year to go
on the warranty. I'd gotten mine through a local dealer and worked everything through
them. No having to ship, etc.


I've had several flatscreens fail just off warranty. Problem was
traced down to a couple electrolytic caps that had swelled. Nobody
local had them in stock so I ebayed 10 of each out of HongKong of all
places - japanese caps - for less than I could have bought them out of
the states without the shipping. A couple minutes with the soldering
iron and all 3 back in service - with spare parts for 2 more.
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:09:20 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm,
clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada quickly quoth:

I've had several flatscreens fail just off warranty. Problem was
traced down to a couple electrolytic caps that had swelled. Nobody
local had them in stock so I ebayed 10 of each out of HongKong of all
places - japanese caps - for less than I could have bought them out of
the states without the shipping. A couple minutes with the soldering
iron and all 3 back in service - with spare parts for 2 more.

That's handy to know, clare. What brand were they, or were they
generic Canuckistani?

I have a Viewsonic just out of warranty and, other than the single
bright green pixel which was out when it was brand new, it's hanging
in there nicely.

--
Pain makes man think. Thought makes man wise. Wisdom makes life endurable.
-- John Patrick

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:21:39 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:09:20 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm,
clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada quickly quoth:

I've had several flatscreens fail just off warranty. Problem was
traced down to a couple electrolytic caps that had swelled. Nobody
local had them in stock so I ebayed 10 of each out of HongKong of all
places - japanese caps - for less than I could have bought them out of
the states without the shipping. A couple minutes with the soldering
iron and all 3 back in service - with spare parts for 2 more.

That's handy to know, clare. What brand were they, or were they
generic Canuckistani?

I have a Viewsonic just out of warranty and, other than the single
bright green pixel which was out when it was brand new, it's hanging
in there nicely.
Acers all. AL1711 - all bought at the same time, failed within 3
weeks. 3 of 6 still woking 2 months later - but expected to fail
shortly

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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:44:10 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm,
clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada quickly quoth:

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:21:39 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:09:20 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm,
clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada quickly quoth:

I've had several flatscreens fail just off warranty. Problem was
traced down to a couple electrolytic caps that had swelled. Nobody
local had them in stock so I ebayed 10 of each out of HongKong of all
places - japanese caps - for less than I could have bought them out of
the states without the shipping. A couple minutes with the soldering
iron and all 3 back in service - with spare parts for 2 more.

That's handy to know, clare. What brand were they, or were they
generic Canuckistani?

I have a Viewsonic just out of warranty and, other than the single
bright green pixel which was out when it was brand new, it's hanging
in there nicely.
Acers all. AL1711 - all bought at the same time, failed within 3
weeks. 3 of 6 still woking 2 months later - but expected to fail
shortly

Suckage on the monitors, eh?

I'm running an Acer now and it's the best comp I've had in a long
while. It's whisper quiet, the fan coming on only for heavy graphic or
processor work. I really, really love that. I need to add more memory,
though. I ended up buying a Viewsonic VA1912wb to go with it because
the Acer monitor had twice the pixel latency time and was not well
received.

--
Learn to value yourself, which means: to fight for your happiness.
-- Ayn Rand

On 2008-08-13, clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada clare wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:49:24 -0400, Al Patrick wrote:

[ ... ]

I've had several flatscreens fail just off warranty. Problem was
traced down to a couple electrolytic caps that had swelled. Nobody
local had them in stock so I ebayed 10 of each out of HongKong of all
places - japanese caps - for less than I could have bought them out of
the states without the shipping. A couple minutes with the soldering
iron and all 3 back in service - with spare parts for 2 more.

Hmm ... IIRC, the cause of the swelling capacitors was some
manufacturer (Chinese, I think) buying a stolen formula for electrolyte
from a Japanese source. But the stolen formula had a problem, and
capacitors made with that formula tend to swell and die within a couple
of years. It strikes me that your Hong Kong ones may well be ones made
with the stolen formula, and likely to die just like the originals did.

Good luck,
DoN.

--
Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
(too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html
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DoN. Nichols wrote:
On 2008-08-13, clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada clare wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:49:24 -0400, Al Patrick wrote:

[ ... ]

I've had several flatscreens fail just off warranty. Problem was
traced down to a couple electrolytic caps that had swelled. Nobody
local had them in stock so I ebayed 10 of each out of HongKong of all
places - japanese caps - for less than I could have bought them out
of the states without the shipping. A couple minutes with the
soldering iron and all 3 back in service - with spare parts for 2
more.

Hmm ... IIRC, the cause of the swelling capacitors was some
manufacturer (Chinese, I think) buying a stolen formula for
electrolyte from a Japanese source. But the stolen formula had a
problem, and capacitors made with that formula tend to swell and die
within a couple of years. It strikes me that your Hong Kong ones may
well be ones made with the stolen formula, and likely to die just
like the originals did.

Abit ended up with a series of motherboards that had this problem.
I know - I have one, and the fix was replacing the caps with good high
quality hardware.


--

John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com

On 13 Aug 2008 04:27:44 GMT, "DoN. Nichols"
wrote:

On 2008-08-13, clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada clare wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:49:24 -0400, Al Patrick wrote:

[ ... ]

I've had several flatscreens fail just off warranty. Problem was
traced down to a couple electrolytic caps that had swelled. Nobody
local had them in stock so I ebayed 10 of each out of HongKong of all
places - japanese caps - for less than I could have bought them out of
the states without the shipping. A couple minutes with the soldering
iron and all 3 back in service - with spare parts for 2 more.

Hmm ... IIRC, the cause of the swelling capacitors was some
manufacturer (Chinese, I think) buying a stolen formula for electrolyte
from a Japanese source. But the stolen formula had a problem, and
capacitors made with that formula tend to swell and die within a couple
of years. It strikes me that your Hong Kong ones may well be ones made
with the stolen formula, and likely to die just like the originals did.

Good luck,
DoN.

no the ones from HongKong are japanese built Sanyo units.

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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:46:21 -0400, clare at snyder ... wrote:
On 13 Aug 2008 04:27:44 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" ... wrote:
On 2008-08-13, clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada clare wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:49:24 -0400, Al Patrick wrote:
....
I've had several flatscreens fail just off warranty. Problem was
traced down to a couple electrolytic caps that had swelled. Nobody
local had them in stock so I ebayed 10 of each out of HongKong of all
places - japanese caps - for less than I could have bought them out of
the states without the shipping. A couple minutes with the soldering
iron and all 3 back in service - with spare parts for 2 more.

Hmm ... IIRC, the cause of the swelling capacitors was some
manufacturer (Chinese, I think) buying a stolen formula for electrolyte
from a Japanese source. But the stolen formula had a problem, and
capacitors made with that formula tend to swell and die within a couple
of years. It strikes me that your Hong Kong ones may well be ones made
with the stolen formula, and likely to die just like the originals did.
....
no the ones from HongKong are japanese built Sanyo units.

According to http://www.techmati.com/articles/caps/index.htm the
Japanese brands Panasonic, Rubycon, Sanyo, and Nichicon are all
good. That article lists about 25 companies (apparently mostly
Chinese and Taiwanese) known to have produced bad caps.
Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
and its links to some 2003 and 2006 IEEE Spectrum articles about
the problem.

-jiw

"DoN. Nichols" wrote:

Hmm ... IIRC, the cause of the swelling capacitors was some
manufacturer (Chinese, I think) buying a stolen formula for electrolyte
from a Japanese source. But the stolen formula had a problem, and
capacitors made with that formula tend to swell and die within a couple
of years. It strikes me that your Hong Kong ones may well be ones made
with the stolen formula, and likely to die just like the originals did.

Palm M10x had this problem, Phillips dvd players also. Been there, r and r'd the
capacitor(s). Seems to be an recurring issue with China. Bad product, does anyone know
if WTO rules allow banning products from countries with poor QA?

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

Hmmmm. Going on 9 years on my Proview 19" CRT monitor. On, on standby
24/7. Best color depth and definition I've ever seen in a monitor.
Have 16 years on my Viewsonic 15" CRT monitor at work, same use. Have
2 Magnavox 27" CRT TeeWees, circa 1993, both perfect. 2-3 years old?
TSK,TSK,TSK. Why are you lauding Viewsonic for selling you junk
electronics-just because they warranty it? That's a given.
JR
Dweller in the cellar


On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:30:50 -0500, "Robert Swinney"
wrote:

My 2 year, 11 months and 1 week old Viewsonic flat screen monitor crapped out recently. Yeah,
that's right, it had only 3 weeks to go on the original 3-year warranty. I called Viewsonic and
they gave me a RMA for return to Walnut, CA. The 19 inch monitor was replaced with a 22 inch model
of better specs than original. I can't say enough about Viewsonic.

Bob Swinney

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:30:50 -0500, "Robert Swinney"
wrote:

My 2 year, 11 months and 1 week old Viewsonic flat screen monitor crapped out recently. Yeah,
that's right, it had only 3 weeks to go on the original 3-year warranty. I called Viewsonic and
they gave me a RMA for return to Walnut, CA. The 19 inch monitor was replaced with a 22 inch model
of better specs than original. I can't say enough about Viewsonic.

Bob Swinney

Good to know!

There really are still reputable companies.

My list:

Dillon (reloading kit) "No bull****" warranty. Top grades, superb.
Savage Arms: excellent response to warranty issues
Swift optics: completely satisfactory response to warranty problem
Dell Computers: outstanding.
Ruger: (as told by a friend) excellent
Taurus: (as told by a friend) tough ****, suckah
Kimber: (as told by a dealer) see Taurus

On Aug 13, 3:30 am, "Robert Swinney" wrote:

I can't say enough about Viewsonic.





I cant say enough about them either - or, indeed, most Chinese
manufactured monitors and TV's.

In warranty, fine - they replace it, just like the $10 toaster at
KMART. Write off the old one as a tax deduction.

Out of warranty - your totally on your own, no spares, no service
data, Chinese IC's with no datasheets available. Not unusual to write
off a 3 yo Plasma because the repalcement boards are suddenly NLA
( translated, this means the extra boards they made on the original
production run have all been used, so tough titty...)

Rat cunning and experience can help - power supply caps are very
common, much more than this, forget it.

But this is consumer capitalism - as long as your working, in the
consumption loop, its not a problem - just buy a new one every 3
years. Wonder how long we, as a society, can keep up this ever
increasing consumption....oh, and don't lose your job, or retire -
your then out of the loop.

Andrew VK3BFA.

On Aug 13, 6:29*am, wrote:
...

But this is consumer capitalism - as long as your working, in the
consumption loop, its not a problem - just buy a new one every 3
years. Wonder how long we, as a society, can keep up this ever
increasing consumption....oh, and don't lose your job, or retire *-
your then out of the loop.

Andrew VK3BFA.

OTOH, when you retire you have time to keep older repairable stuff
running and you can visit the appliance parts stores during business
hours. My microwave is from the '70's, the washing machine from the
60's and the lawnmower from the 50's.

Jim Wilkins

On Aug 13, 9:01 pm, Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Aug 13, 6:29 am, wrote:
...



But this is consumer capitalism - as long as your working, in the
consumption loop, its not a problem - just buy a new one every 3
years. Wonder how long we, as a society, can keep up this ever
increasing consumption....oh, and don't lose your job, or retire -
your then out of the loop.

Andrew VK3BFA.

OTOH, when you retire you have time to keep older repairable stuff
running and you can visit the appliance parts stores during business
hours. My microwave is from the '70's, the washing machine from the
60's and the lawnmower from the 50's.

Jim Wilkins

Interesting dates of manufacture Jim - a slower, more gentle period
when things were DESIGNED to be serviced, assembled by people so that
another person could take it to pieces, and where there were multiple
sources of generic spares.....at least, for the 3 examples you quote.

Andrew VK3BFA.

Jim Wilkins wrote:
On Aug 13, 6:29?am, wrote:
...

But this is consumer capitalism - as long as your working, in the
consumption loop, its not a problem - just buy a new one every 3
years. Wonder how long we, as a society, can keep up this ever
increasing consumption....oh, and don't lose your job, or retire ?-
your then out of the loop.

Andrew VK3BFA.

OTOH, when you retire you have time to keep older repairable stuff
running and you can visit the appliance parts stores during business
hours. My microwave is from the '70's, the washing machine from the
60's and the lawnmower from the 50's.

all that old stuff was made to last and be fixable. That's not the case
with modern electronics.

On Aug 13, 9:09*pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:

all that old stuff was made to last and be fixable. That's not the case
with modern electronics.-

I believe that is an unintended consequence of Surface Mount
Technology, specifically thermal stress cracking. I've worked on the
R&D side of electronic development and seen the shift from thru-hole
to SMT up close (literally & figuratively). In the lab a good tech can
replace almost any part with an iron or hot-air machine. But
prototypes don't suffer from environmental stresses like production
units, and temperature cycling a single hand-made example doesn't
predict the failure rate of 10,000 repaired units. I didn't hear the
dictum that consumer-grade SMT boards were to be considered
unrepairable until they had been out for several years. Higher-value
assemblies such as the medical battery packs I worked on recently are
still repaired.

Old stuff has the problem of parts availability. Often they only stock
an later model's equivalent part which isn't quite an exact
replacement. I am slowly becoming the parts maker for the old washing
machine and lawn mower.

Jim Wilkins

On Aug 14, 9:30 pm, Jim Wilkins wrote:

I believe that is an unintended consequence of Surface Mount
Technology, specifically thermal stress cracking

Agreed - its a known problem, if designed PROPERLY it can be avoided -
as you say, heart pacemakers dont fail after 3 years (with monotonous
regularity)

.. I've worked on the
R&D side of electronic development and seen the shift from thru-hole
to SMT up close (literally & figuratively).

I havent - as a working tech, I don't see them till they fail -
strangely enough, at about the 3 year mark - a 3 year warranty is a
good marketing tool as the probability is there will be minimal claims
because thats how long it will last anyway.
And they keep on making the same old design "errors" after, what, 50
years of solid sate - cheap flexi bendable PCB's, low grade
electrolytics (with known failure curves) heat generating components
with inadequate heatsinking, even to the point of making the pads they
connect to too small...this ain't Rocket Science, its a way to make a
cheap product with a guaranteed short lifespan....(I think its called
Stress Engineering...)

In the lab a good tech can
replace almost any part with an iron or hot-air machine. But
prototypes don't suffer from environmental stresses like production
units, and temperature cycling a single hand-made example doesn't
predict the failure rate of 10,000 repaired units.

They don't need to - they know, from engineering knowledge, how long
it will last. Automated production machinery wil take care of the
tolerances involved and make a "perfect" product...

I didn't hear the
dictum that consumer-grade SMT boards were to be considered
unrepairable until they had been out for several years. Higher-value
assemblies such as the medical battery packs I worked on recently are
still repaired.

Old stuff has the problem of parts availability.

True - but there has been an after market, second or even third
supplier sourcing of spares for yonks - this is getting worse, I will
concede, due the decreasing model life of new consumer products,
which, strangely enough, are different inside from the previous
model....

Often they only stock an later model's equivalent part which isn't
quite an exact
replacement.

Funny that - oh, and BTW - when they can charge you more than the
cost of the appliance for a spare part, they can say they have
honoured there spares supply obligation......like, say, the $10
fusible resistor....and as for custom VLSI ic's - pick a number, any
number, bang a few zeros in there, and add exorbitant shipping and
handling to it...

I am slowly becoming the parts maker for the old washing
machine and lawn mower.

Good On Ya - thats what RCM should be, and is, all about - to develop
the skills to do this stuff ourselves...its "not economical" but we do
it for the sheer joy of beating the system.

Maybe its an age thing, but it rankles with me that perfectly good
gear has to be thrown out because a 10c part is No Longer available -
thats why I got into metalworking, so I could make the 10c part....
(its turned into another bloody obsession, which I dont need, but what
the hell...)

Regards,

Andrew VK3BFA.


Jim Wilkins

Jim Wilkins wrote:

I believe that is an unintended consequence of Surface Mount
Technology, specifically thermal stress cracking. I've worked on the
R&D side of electronic development and seen the shift from thru-hole
to SMT up close (literally & figuratively). In the lab a good tech can
replace almost any part with an iron or hot-air machine. But
prototypes don't suffer from environmental stresses like production
units, and temperature cycling a single hand-made example doesn't
predict the failure rate of 10,000 repaired units. I didn't hear the
dictum that consumer-grade SMT boards were to be considered
unrepairable until they had been out for several years. Higher-value
assemblies such as the medical battery packs I worked on recently are
still repaired.


How does ROHS (may have got that acronym wrong) figure into this? Lead/Tin seems to be
the optimum for soldering and the lead free seems like something no one would embrace
unless forced to do so.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:29:20 -0700 (PDT), wrote:



But this is consumer capitalism - as long as your working, in the
consumption loop, its not a problem - just buy a new one every 3
years. Wonder how long we, as a society, can keep up this ever
increasing consumption....oh, and don't lose your job, or retire -
your then out of the loop.

Andrew VK3BFA.

We all drive things in this direction by buying lowest price.
Engineers don't purposely design consumer goods to be unrepairable;
they strive (are driven) for lowest possible factory cost. The result
is that replacement is usually more economical than repair.

Back in the early 50's, a (repairable) television set cost $300 to
$500. The first microwave oven (Amana Radarange) cost 700 of those
dollars.
Based on 1950 CPI of 24.1 and 2007 CPI of 215, the TV would cost
a couple of thousand of today's dollars and no wonder only very
wealthy folks had microwave ovens! Today we can buy a TV or a
microwave for well under $100.

Don Foreman wrote:

(...)
Today we can buy a TV or a
microwave for well under $100.

Which would have been ~$11.21 in 1950!

--Winston

Winston wrote:
Don Foreman wrote:

(...)
Today we can buy a TV or a
microwave for well under $100.

Which would have been ~$11.21 in 1950!

--Winston

Reminds me of what I heard a preacher say, "You can *still* buy four gallons of gasoline
for a dollar, just like you could in the fifties." The difference is in the dollar - not
the price of gasoline. In the fifties we had *silver* dollars and today a *silver*
dollar will still get you four gallons of gas.

Not only is someone stealing the silver out of our currency. They are removing the nickel
from the "nickels" and the copper from the pennies. If we still had half cents they'd be
stealing something out of them! :-(

Al

Al Patrick wrote:

Reminds me of what I heard a preacher say, "You can *still* buy four
gallons of gasoline for a dollar, just like you could in the fifties."
The difference is in the dollar - not the price of gasoline. In the
fifties we had *silver* dollars and today a *silver* dollar will still
get you four gallons of gas.

Not only is someone stealing the silver out of our currency. They are
removing the nickel from the "nickels" and the copper from the pennies.
If we still had half cents they'd be stealing something out of them! :-(

Al

Are *silver* dollars realy worth aprox $16. now?? I guess maybe I
should look up the ones I got in change back in the 50s out west
on vacation (lived in PA) and kept for the novelty then. I
suppose some of them may be sort of rare and worth more. :-)
...lew...

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:29:20 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Aug 13, 3:30 am, "Robert Swinney" wrote:

I can't say enough about Viewsonic.





I cant say enough about them either - or, indeed, most Chinese
manufactured monitors and TV's.

In warranty, fine - they replace it, just like the $10 toaster at
KMART. Write off the old one as a tax deduction.

Out of warranty - your totally on your own, no spares, no service
data, Chinese IC's with no datasheets available. Not unusual to write
off a 3 yo Plasma because the repalcement boards are suddenly NLA
( translated, this means the extra boards they made on the original
production run have all been used, so tough titty...)

Rat cunning and experience can help - power supply caps are very
common, much more than this, forget it.

But this is consumer capitalism - as long as your working, in the
consumption loop, its not a problem - just buy a new one every 3
years. Wonder how long we, as a society, can keep up this ever
increasing consumption....oh, and don't lose your job, or retire -
your then out of the loop.

Andrew VK3BFA.
And what happens wnen the ladfills are all full of the crap. Costs me
$10 PER PEICE to dispose of computer hardware - monitors, keyboards,
printers, etc. Disposal of a mouse is as much as it's cost.
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And what happens wnen the ladfills are all full of the crap. Costs me
$10 PER PEICE to dispose of computer hardware - monitors, keyboards,
printers, etc. Disposal of a mouse is as much as it's cost.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Today's landfills will be tomorrow's goldmines.
--


Ron Thompson
Riding my '07 XL883C Sportster
On the Beautiful Florida Space Coast,
right beside the Kennedy Space Center,
USA

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wrote:

In warranty, fine - they replace it, just like the $10 toaster at
KMART. Write off the old one as a tax deduction.


The latest series of coffee brewers don't seem to last much longer than 18 months. No
matter what US sounding name is on the box, china is on the back somewhere.

Is the same thing happening to you on your side of the Pond?

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller