clay wrote:

completely ridiculous idea.

It currently costs $10,000 to send an astronaut a bottle of water to
drink. How much do you think it is going to cost to put solar reflectors
in space. They reflect sunlight, they reflect microwaves (Jaxa). the
efficiency and actual cost of this idea puts it out of practicality.

ca

Isn't there pressure exerted by the suns energy on any array of cells? Assuming I'm
thinking right, how do you keep a massive solar collector from being pushed against and
slowed in orbit?

I can't remember if the array would go up in orbit or down in orbit but is sure wouldn't
point at the recieving station for long.

Wes

Wes wrote:
clay wrote:


completely ridiculous idea.

It currently costs $10,000 to send an astronaut a bottle of water to
drink. How much do you think it is going to cost to put solar reflectors
in space. They reflect sunlight, they reflect microwaves (Jaxa). the
efficiency and actual cost of this idea puts it out of practicality.

ca


Isn't there pressure exerted by the suns energy on any array of cells? Assuming I'm
thinking right, how do you keep a massive solar collector from being pushed against and
slowed in orbit?

I can't remember if the array would go up in orbit or down in orbit but is sure wouldn't
point at the recieving station for long.

Wes


Orbital mechanics is really simple - in theory.

Slow down - go down.
Speed up, go up.

Refering to the center of the orbit.

Heliocentric, in this case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliocentrism


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On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 08:17:38 -0500, cavelamb himself
wrote:

Wes wrote:
clay wrote:


completely ridiculous idea.

It currently costs $10,000 to send an astronaut a bottle of water to
drink. How much do you think it is going to cost to put solar reflectors
in space. They reflect sunlight, they reflect microwaves (Jaxa). the
efficiency and actual cost of this idea puts it out of practicality.

ca


Isn't there pressure exerted by the suns energy on any array of cells? Assuming I'm
thinking right, how do you keep a massive solar collector from being pushed against and
slowed in orbit?

I can't remember if the array would go up in orbit or down in orbit but is sure wouldn't
point at the recieving station for long.

Wes


Orbital mechanics is really simple - in theory.

Slow down - go down.
Speed up, go up.

Refering to the center of the orbit.

Heliocentric, in this case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliocentrism


The Solar Wind question is a good one and isnt solved by orbital
mechanics when the exerted forces come from things other than gravity.

Gunner

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those
who in times of great moral crisis maintain their neutrality",
John F. Kennedy.

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 08:17:38 -0500, cavelamb himself
wrote:


Wes wrote:

clay wrote:



completely ridiculous idea.

It currently costs $10,000 to send an astronaut a bottle of water to
drink. How much do you think it is going to cost to put solar reflectors
in space. They reflect sunlight, they reflect microwaves (Jaxa). the
efficiency and actual cost of this idea puts it out of practicality.

ca


Isn't there pressure exerted by the suns energy on any array of cells? Assuming I'm
thinking right, how do you keep a massive solar collector from being pushed against and
slowed in orbit?

I can't remember if the array would go up in orbit or down in orbit but is sure wouldn't
point at the recieving station for long.

Wes


Orbital mechanics is really simple - in theory.

Slow down - go down.
Speed up, go up.

Refering to the center of the orbit.

Heliocentric, in this case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliocentrism



The Solar Wind question is a good one and isnt solved by orbital
mechanics when the exerted forces come from things other than gravity.

Gunner

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those
who in times of great moral crisis maintain their neutrality",
John F. Kennedy.


The "Solar Wind" comes from the Sun, Guns.


What these people are describing is good science fiction.
More like solar sails that power systems.

Not really viable.

Who want's to microwave the atmosphere???


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On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:25:55 -0500, cavelamb himself
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 08:17:38 -0500, cavelamb himself
wrote:


Wes wrote:

clay wrote:



completely ridiculous idea.

It currently costs $10,000 to send an astronaut a bottle of water to
drink. How much do you think it is going to cost to put solar reflectors
in space. They reflect sunlight, they reflect microwaves (Jaxa). the
efficiency and actual cost of this idea puts it out of practicality.

ca


Isn't there pressure exerted by the suns energy on any array of cells? Assuming I'm
thinking right, how do you keep a massive solar collector from being pushed against and
slowed in orbit?

I can't remember if the array would go up in orbit or down in orbit but is sure wouldn't
point at the recieving station for long.

Wes


Orbital mechanics is really simple - in theory.

Slow down - go down.
Speed up, go up.

Refering to the center of the orbit.

Heliocentric, in this case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliocentrism



The Solar Wind question is a good one and isnt solved by orbital
mechanics when the exerted forces come from things other than gravity.

Gunner

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those
who in times of great moral crisis maintain their neutrality",
John F. Kennedy.


The "Solar Wind" comes from the Sun, Guns.


What these people are describing is good science fiction.
More like solar sails that power systems.

Not really viable.

But as the arrays do get bigger, there has to be some effect from
solar wind, albeit small.

Who want's to microwave the atmosphere???

Ask the buffoons on one of the alt.energy newsgroup at the moment, as
they discuss beamed power from satillites and how it would solve all
of our problems.

And the Greens bitch about "bird strikes".....wait until someone fires
up a couple mega joule microwave beams to Earth.....

Some of those borons dont have a clue...or two functioning
braincells...



The hottest places in hell are reserved for those
who in times of great moral crisis maintain their neutrality",
John F. Kennedy.

When I was 'around' a very high megawatt transmitter - required a power plant
for itself - and had a 100' multiple ground screen that protected every one
'around' - but the birds in the wire and those inside were toasted!

All aircraft were cleared from flying for a hundred miles or so while it was
in operation.

The real danger of beams is it wondering off target. The earth isn't a perfect
top. It wobbles and turns. Land moves and heaves. Keeping the beam on target
would be a task on top and bottom. Instant off isn't an option.

If it transmitted down a carbon ribbon as in the sky ladder that is proposed
it might be just fine. But not an electric beam.

There are better turbans that the ones used - but the size is tough. Like
a cylinder of vanes. They never got working a siphon in the ocean - where
the cold and warm water siphon up a tube without pumps. Just add pipe.
Now if pipe had vanes and alternator - and power lines - power source.

Martin

Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
TSRA, Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member.
http://lufkinced.com/


Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:25:55 -0500, cavelamb himself
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 08:17:38 -0500, cavelamb himself
wrote:


Wes wrote:

clay wrote:



completely ridiculous idea.

It currently costs $10,000 to send an astronaut a bottle of water to
drink. How much do you think it is going to cost to put solar reflectors
in space. They reflect sunlight, they reflect microwaves (Jaxa). the
efficiency and actual cost of this idea puts it out of practicality.

ca

Isn't there pressure exerted by the suns energy on any array of cells? Assuming I'm
thinking right, how do you keep a massive solar collector from being pushed against and
slowed in orbit?

I can't remember if the array would go up in orbit or down in orbit but is sure wouldn't
point at the recieving station for long.

Wes

Orbital mechanics is really simple - in theory.

Slow down - go down.
Speed up, go up.

Refering to the center of the orbit.

Heliocentric, in this case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliocentrism


The Solar Wind question is a good one and isnt solved by orbital
mechanics when the exerted forces come from things other than gravity.

Gunner

The hottest places in hell are reserved for those
who in times of great moral crisis maintain their neutrality",
John F. Kennedy.

The "Solar Wind" comes from the Sun, Guns.


What these people are describing is good science fiction.
More like solar sails that power systems.

Not really viable.

But as the arrays do get bigger, there has to be some effect from
solar wind, albeit small.
Who want's to microwave the atmosphere???

Ask the buffoons on one of the alt.energy newsgroup at the moment, as
they discuss beamed power from satillites and how it would solve all
of our problems.

And the Greens bitch about "bird strikes".....wait until someone fires
up a couple mega joule microwave beams to Earth.....

Some of those borons dont have a clue...or two functioning
braincells...



The hottest places in hell are reserved for those
who in times of great moral crisis maintain their neutrality",
John F. Kennedy.


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I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that Gunner Asch
wrote on Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:40:33 -0700
in rec.crafts.metalworking :

What these people are describing is good science fiction.
More like solar sails that power systems.

Not really viable.

But as the arrays do get bigger, there has to be some effect from
solar wind, albeit small.

Who want's to microwave the atmosphere???

Ask the buffoons on one of the alt.energy newsgroup at the moment, as
they discuss beamed power from satillites and how it would solve all
of our problems.

I was involved with folks who were working on a power satellite
design. One idea being proposed was to set up the receiver station(s)
in tropical islands, and use the electricity to generate Hydrogen. Not
the most efficient, but nothing is 100%
It worked on paper, but ... the company went bye-bye after 9-11.


tschus
pyotr
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pyotr filipivich
"I had just been through hell and must have looked like death warmed
over walking into the saloon, because when I asked the bartender
whether they served zombies he said, ‘Sure, what'll you have?'"
from I Hear America Swinging by Peter DeVries

cavelamb himself wrote:

Orbital mechanics is really simple - in theory.

Slow down - go down.
Speed up, go up.

Refering to the center of the orbit.

Heliocentric, in this case.


I though it worked that way. Likely learned this from National Geographic back during the
Gemini program.

Wes
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government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
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