Ed Huntress wrote:
"John R. Carroll" wrote in
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Ed Huntress wrote:
wrote in message
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"Ed Huntress" wrote:

Shove it where the sun don't shine, Wes.


Going nasty. Now you are loosing your cred.

Bye

Bye, Wes. Read some good books, y'hear?

He might.
I made a few phone calls today Ed and I think I've got the gist of
this.

OK, spill it. Whattcha got?

It was Dick Cheney.
Apparently the WH was comparing the reception Obama got in Europe with
Bush's recent farewell tour and Dick Cheney expressed his concerns to the
Pentagon about the cost of adding security for the large crowd Obama might
draw. Word went out that the Obama campaign would have to provide the added
security and submit a plan in advance if they wanted to visit Landstrul as
the event was political and not official Senate business. That was the
unofficial "discouragement" Gration got and it was throught the network.

Obama got gassed for punking Bush, not McCain.

McCain just got carried away in his remarks because he's so frustrated on
the one hand and he's surrounded himself with a staff that encourages him to
behave this way on the other.

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John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com

"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
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snip

I made a few phone calls today Ed and I think I've got the gist of
this.

OK, spill it. Whattcha got?

It was Dick Cheney.
Apparently the WH was comparing the reception Obama got in Europe with
Bush's recent farewell tour and Dick Cheney expressed his concerns to the
Pentagon about the cost of adding security for the large crowd Obama might
draw. Word went out that the Obama campaign would have to provide the
added
security and submit a plan in advance if they wanted to visit Landstrul as
the event was political and not official Senate business. That was the
unofficial "discouragement" Gration got and it was throught the network.

Obama got gassed for punking Bush, not McCain.

McCain just got carried away in his remarks because he's so frustrated on
the one hand and he's surrounded himself with a staff that encourages him
to
behave this way on the other.

Well, I'll be damned. It sounds in-character for Cheney. I take it you have
a good source for this?

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Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress wrote:
"John R. Carroll" wrote in
message ...

snip

I made a few phone calls today Ed and I think I've got the gist of
this.

OK, spill it. Whattcha got?

It was Dick Cheney.
Apparently the WH was comparing the reception Obama got in Europe
with Bush's recent farewell tour and Dick Cheney expressed his
concerns to the Pentagon about the cost of adding security for the
large crowd Obama might draw. Word went out that the Obama campaign
would have to provide the added
security and submit a plan in advance if they wanted to visit
Landstrul as the event was political and not official Senate
business. That was the unofficial "discouragement" Gration got and
it was throught the network.

Obama got gassed for punking Bush, not McCain.

McCain just got carried away in his remarks because he's so
frustrated on the one hand and he's surrounded himself with a staff
that encourages him to
behave this way on the other.

Well, I'll be damned. It sounds in-character for Cheney. I take it
you have a good source for this?

Pretty fair, yes.
It's also the kind of thing he'd know, especially that last bit.


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John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:15:51 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:

He might.
I made a few phone calls today Ed and I think I've got the gist of
this.

OK, spill it. Whattcha got?

It was Dick Cheney.
Apparently the WH was comparing the reception Obama got in Europe with
Bush's recent farewell tour and Dick Cheney expressed his concerns to the
Pentagon about the cost of adding security for the large crowd Obama might
draw. Word went out that the Obama campaign would have to provide the added
security and submit a plan in advance if they wanted to visit Landstrul as
the event was political and not official Senate business. That was the
unofficial "discouragement" Gration got and it was throught the network.

Obama got gassed for punking Bush, not McCain.

McCain just got carried away in his remarks because he's so frustrated on
the one hand and he's surrounded himself with a staff that encourages him to
behave this way on the other.


Gassed for not wanting to trim down his 3 Ring Media Circus to a
managable size????

Talk about liberal bias and spin John..you are gettting really good at
it.

Gunner

Gunner wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:15:51 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:

He might.
I made a few phone calls today Ed and I think I've got the gist of
this.

OK, spill it. Whattcha got?

It was Dick Cheney.
Apparently the WH was comparing the reception Obama got in Europe
with Bush's recent farewell tour and Dick Cheney expressed his
concerns to the Pentagon about the cost of adding security for the
large crowd Obama might draw. Word went out that the Obama campaign
would have to provide the added security and submit a plan in
advance if they wanted to visit Landstrul as the event was political
and not official Senate business. That was the unofficial
"discouragement" Gration got and it was throught the network.

Obama got gassed for punking Bush, not McCain.

McCain just got carried away in his remarks because he's so
frustrated on the one hand and he's surrounded himself with a staff
that encourages him to behave this way on the other.


Gassed for not wanting to trim down his 3 Ring Media Circus to a
managable size????


"A reconstruction of the circumstances surrounding Obama's decision not to
visit Landstuhl, based on firsthand reporting from the trip, shows that his
campaign never contemplated taking the media with him."

"The first indication reporters got that Obama was planning, or had planned,
to visit the hospital came last Thursday morning, shortly after the
entourage arrived in Berlin. On the seats of the media bus were schedules
for his stop in Germany and the final entry -- a Friday-morning departure --
indicated that the senator's plane would fly from Berlin to Ramstein Air
Base."



"Gibbs said yesterday that the campaign had planned to inform the traveling
media members sometime on the morning of the flight to Ramstein that Obama
was intending to visit the hospital but had made no plans to take reporters,
including even the small, protective press pool that now accompanies him
most places."

"Reporters, he said, probably would have been able to get off the plane but
not leave an air base facility close by. "We had made absolutely no
arrangements to transport the press to the hospital," he said."

"On Friday afternoon, en route from Berlin to Paris, Gibbs briefed reporters
traveling with Obama. He noted that the candidate had visited wounded
soldiers several weeks earlier at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in the
District and at a combat support hospital while in Iraq earlier in the
week -- both times without reporters.""


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John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:42:04 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:


"A reconstruction of the circumstances surrounding Obama's decision not to
visit Landstuhl, based on firsthand reporting from the trip, shows that his
campaign never contemplated taking the media with him."


A reconstruction by whom..Pravda?

Please indicate where you are finding these tidbits..

If its from MoveOn.Org...it would be nice to be able to simply and
justifyably ignore it.

Gunner

Gunner wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:42:04 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:


"A reconstruction of the circumstances surrounding Obama's decision
not to visit Landstuhl, based on firsthand reporting from the trip,
shows that his campaign never contemplated taking the media with
him."


A reconstruction by whom..Pravda?

Please indicate where you are finding these tidbits..

If its from MoveOn.Org...it would be nice to be able to simply and
justifyably ignore it.


They are the direct quotes that resulted from the resaerch I did Gunner.

Once Again:

"Gibbs said yesterday that the campaign had planned to inform the traveling
media members sometime on the morning of the flight to Ramstein that Obama
was intending to visit the hospital but had made no plans to take reporters,
including even the small, protective press pool that now accompanies him
most places."

"Reporters, he said, probably would have been able to get off the plane but
not leave an air base facility close by. "We had made absolutely no
arrangements to transport the press to the hospital," he said."

"On Friday afternoon, en route from Berlin to Paris, Gibbs briefed reporters
traveling with Obama. He noted that the candidate had visited wounded
soldiers several weeks earlier at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in the
District and at a combat support hospital while in Iraq earlier in the
week -- both times without reporters.""


--

John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:06:02 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:

Gunner wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:42:04 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:


"A reconstruction of the circumstances surrounding Obama's decision
not to visit Landstuhl, based on firsthand reporting from the trip,
shows that his campaign never contemplated taking the media with
him."


A reconstruction by whom..Pravda?

Please indicate where you are finding these tidbits..

If its from MoveOn.Org...it would be nice to be able to simply and
justifyably ignore it.


They are the direct quotes that resulted from the resaerch I did Gunner.

Once Again:

"Gibbs said yesterday that the campaign had planned to inform the traveling
media members sometime on the morning of the flight to Ramstein that Obama
was intending to visit the hospital but had made no plans to take reporters,
including even the small, protective press pool that now accompanies him
most places."

"Reporters, he said, probably would have been able to get off the plane but
not leave an air base facility close by. "We had made absolutely no
arrangements to transport the press to the hospital," he said."

"On Friday afternoon, en route from Berlin to Paris, Gibbs briefed reporters
traveling with Obama. He noted that the candidate had visited wounded
soldiers several weeks earlier at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in the
District and at a combat support hospital while in Iraq earlier in the
week -- both times without reporters.""


You still didnt report the source John.

Is there some reason you are unwilling to provide the cite?

Embaressed to let us know where you cut and pasted that from?

Gunner

Gunner wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:06:02 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:

Gunner wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:42:04 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:


"A reconstruction of the circumstances surrounding Obama's decision
not to visit Landstuhl, based on firsthand reporting from the trip,
shows that his campaign never contemplated taking the media with
him."


A reconstruction by whom..Pravda?

Please indicate where you are finding these tidbits..

If its from MoveOn.Org...it would be nice to be able to simply and
justifyably ignore it.


They are the direct quotes that resulted from the resaerch I did
Gunner.

Once Again:

"Gibbs said yesterday that the campaign had planned to inform the
traveling media members sometime on the morning of the flight to
Ramstein that Obama was intending to visit the hospital but had made
no plans to take reporters, including even the small, protective
press pool that now accompanies him most places."

"Reporters, he said, probably would have been able to get off the
plane but not leave an air base facility close by. "We had made
absolutely no arrangements to transport the press to the hospital,"
he said."

"On Friday afternoon, en route from Berlin to Paris, Gibbs briefed
reporters traveling with Obama. He noted that the candidate had
visited wounded soldiers several weeks earlier at Walter Reed Army
Medical Center in the District and at a combat support hospital
while in Iraq earlier in the
week -- both times without reporters.""


You still didnt report the source John.

Sure I did.
They are "DIRECT QUOTES" from the guy. He's the source.
Sheesh.


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John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com