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I have a '94 Ford Ranger pickup. It has only 62000 miles on as I ride
my bike a lot. It has been a good runner until recently when one day I started it and the engine ran as rough as if one cylinder was missing. Out on the street it smoothes out a little but lacks power. Since it’s drivable I’m trying to troubleshoot it myself rather than take it someplace where they will sell me a lot of parts I don’t need. It has the 2.3 L 4 cyl. Engine with distributorless ignition. I’m thinking that the probability is that the problem is not the ignition because of the relatively low mileage, the two ignition modules and two plugs per cylinder. Does this make sense? My guess is a clogged fuel injector. I put in a bottle of Gumout fuel injector cleaner and have driven it about 40 miles with no results. How long does it usually take injector cleaner to work? Is it possible to use a scanner on it? I don't see anything about that in Chilton's. Any other ideas? Engineman |
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 10:45:03 -0700 (PDT), with neither quill nor
qualm, " quickly quoth: I have a '94 Ford Ranger pickup. It has only 62000 miles on as I ride my bike a lot. It has been a good runner until recently when one day I started it and the engine ran as rough as if one cylinder was missing. Out on the street it smoothes out a little but lacks power. Since it’s drivable I’m trying to troubleshoot it myself rather than take it someplace where they will sell me a lot of parts I don’t need. It has the 2.3 L 4 cyl. Engine with distributorless ignition. I’m thinking that the probability is that the problem is not the ignition because of the relatively low mileage, the two ignition modules and two plugs per cylinder. Does this make sense? My guess is a clogged fuel injector. I put in a bottle of Gumout fuel injector cleaner and have driven it about 40 miles with no results. How long does it usually take injector cleaner to work? Is it possible to use a scanner on it? I don't see anything about that in Chilton's. Any other ideas? Possible causes: timing belt slipped (best bet), plug wire shorting/fell off. Other things I've seen cause instant power loss on Rangers is when a guy ran leaded gas through one. It melted the front of the catalytic converter closed. I still have a chunk of that one for a keepsake. Run a compression test to rule out a cracked ring, burnt valve, or something else internal. Check the timing. If you can't find the mark, it's probably the timing belt. 60k is when they usually went on the early ones, back when I worked for a Ford dealer. -- To change one's self is sufficient. It's the idiots who want to change the world who are causing all the trouble --Anonymous |
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At least I have a name
Engineman On May 31, 10:55*am, "*" wrote: wrote in article ... I have a '94 Ford Ranger pickup. It has only 62000 miles on as I ride my bike a lot. It has been a good runner until recently when one day I started it and the engine ran as rough as if one cylinder was missing. Out on the street it smoothes out a little but lacks power. Since it’s drivable I’m trying to troubleshoot it myself rather than take it someplace where they will sell me a lot of parts I don’t need. *It has the 2.3 L 4 cyl. Engine with distributorless ignition. I’m thinking that the probability is that the problem is not the ignition because of the relatively low mileage, the two ignition modules and two plugs per cylinder. Does this make sense? My guess is a clogged fuel injector. I put in a bottle of Gumout fuel injector cleaner and have driven it about 40 miles with no results. How long does it usually take injector cleaner to work? Is it possible to use a scanner on it? I don't see anything about that in Chilton's. Any other ideas? Engineman ---------- The first idea that comes to mind is that with your propensity to guess instead of test logically, you might want to change your name from "engineman" to something else. |
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" wrote:
I have a '94 Ford Ranger pickup. It has only 62000 miles on as I ride my bike a lot. It has been a good runner until recently when one day I started it and the engine ran as rough as if one cylinder was missing. Out on the street it smoothes out a little but lacks power. Since it’s drivable I’m trying to troubleshoot it myself rather than take it someplace where they will sell me a lot of parts I don’t need. It has the 2.3 L 4 cyl. Engine with distributorless ignition. I’m thinking that the probability is that the problem is not the ignition because of the relatively low mileage, the two ignition modules and two plugs per cylinder. First thing, do you get a MIL? I'm not sure when ODB was phased in. Likely ODBI some amount of information isn't likely as great as ODBII Make sure the coil isn't arcing over on the post that supplies that cylinder or the boot on plug. Compression check, look at plug to make sure it is in good shape. Check the connector to the injector. I don't know how to test an injector or how practical it is to swap them around to see if the problem moves. Wes |
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On May 31, 4:58*pm, Zayonc wrote:
wrote: started it and the engine ran as rough as if one cylinder was missing. Plug or plug wiring - would say 95% probaility. Even though they have two plugs per cylinder, a single worn plug is noticeable. I'd replace all 8, with platinums on the barely accessible intake manifold side. The plug wires and timing belt are suspicious due to age. Small animals can get into the air filter box and chew up the filter and the heat riser hose. In general I begin diagnosing engine problems with a complete tune-up. Maybe half the time that either fixes the problem or leads me to it. Jim Wilkins |
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I had an 85 Ranger with the 2.4 L that did something similar.
Ran rough, loss of power on the highway. Took it to a shop for a tune up - ran like a champ - for 1/2 a week, then back to running rough again. I was afraid of all sorts of bad things, took it back to the shop; they worked on it again, again it was smooth for 1/2 a week. (During this time I was working abou 500 miles out of town and only got to the shop on Saturdays). To make a long story short, *one* plug insulating boot had a *tiny* pinhole in it. Just by pulling them off and putting them back it would clean enough dirt/carbon off the thing to run well - until the dirt built back up, and the high energy coil put out enough volts to short to ground intermittently through the crud. Take it back then next week, pull the wires, and repeat. They finally found it by spraying water on each lead as it idled. When they hit the one with the pinhole, it shut down. You couldn't see the pinhole without a magnifying glass. May not be your problem, but might be worth a look. Henry Bibb |
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On May 31, 8:06*pm, wrote:
... To make a long story short, *one* plug insulating boot had a *tiny* pinhole in it.... Henry Bibb Good suggestion. Ford recommends silicone grease in the wire caps which might possibly fix a pinhole. The symptoms were different, but my 91 2.3L Ranger has had warmup problems from a dying heated oxygen sensor (HEGO) and a hot-air door that slipped off its control wire. Jim Wilkins |
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wrote in message k.net... I had an 85 Ranger with the 2.4 L that did something similar. Ran rough, loss of power on the highway. Took it to a shop for a tune up - ran like a champ - for 1/2 a week, then back to running rough again. I was afraid of all sorts of bad things, took it back to the shop; they worked on it again, again it was smooth for 1/2 a week. (During this time I was working abou 500 miles out of town and only got to the shop on Saturdays). To make a long story short, *one* plug insulating boot had a *tiny* pinhole in it. Just by pulling them off and putting them back it would clean enough dirt/carbon off the thing to run well - until the dirt built back up, and the high energy coil put out enough volts to short to ground intermittently through the crud. Take it back then next week, pull the wires, and repeat. They finally found it by spraying water on each lead as it idled. When they hit the one with the pinhole, it shut down. You couldn't see the pinhole without a magnifying glass. Sometimnes you can see arcing if you observe the engine in the dark. |
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wrote in message ... I have a '94 Ford Ranger pickup. It has only 62000 miles on as I ride my bike a lot. It has been a good runner until recently when one day I started it and the engine ran as rough as if one cylinder was missing. Out on the street it smoothes out a little but lacks power. Since it’s drivable I’m trying to troubleshoot it myself rather than take it someplace where they will sell me a lot of parts I don’t need. It has the 2.3 L 4 cyl. Engine with distributorless ignition. I’m thinking that the probability is that the problem is not the ignition because of the relatively low mileage, the two ignition modules and two plugs per cylinder. Does this make sense? My guess is a clogged fuel injector. I put in a bottle of Gumout fuel injector cleaner and have driven it about 40 miles with no results. How long does it usually take injector cleaner to work? Is it possible to use a scanner on it? I don't see anything about that in Chilton's. Any other ideas? Engineman A lot of good ideas in other posts but seldom used vehicles are prone to suffer from sticky valves so you might want to consider that also. Don Young |
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I have a '91 Ranger. Same apparent symptoms once led to Oxygen sensor, and
once to something called "mass air sensor." In both cases, r&r offending sensor (at @$110 per copy) did the job. It now has 186k on it and goes fishing with me regularly, relatively trouble-free - - - except for the &%$#@@# bolt in the seat-back which sheared a few months ago and lets the seat-back lean into the aft-cab and requires a full case of (Dr.Pepper?) to keep it pointed upright. As the cans disappear, the back sags proportionately, but it seems to matter a little less with each passing can. Flash "Don Young" wrote in message webinternetservicesprovideinc... wrote in message ... I have a '94 Ford Ranger pickup. It has only 62000 miles on as I ride my bike a lot. It has been a good runner until recently when one day I started it and the engine ran as rough as if one cylinder was missing. Out on the street it smoothes out a little but lacks power. Since it's drivable I'm trying to troubleshoot it myself rather than take it someplace where they will sell me a lot of parts I don't need. It has the 2.3 L 4 cyl. Engine with distributorless ignition. I'm thinking that the probability is that the problem is not the ignition because of the relatively low mileage, the two ignition modules and two plugs per cylinder. Does this make sense? My guess is a clogged fuel injector. I put in a bottle of Gumout fuel injector cleaner and have driven it about 40 miles with no results. How long does it usually take injector cleaner to work? Is it possible to use a scanner on it? I don't see anything about that in Chilton's. Any other ideas? Engineman A lot of good ideas in other posts but seldom used vehicles are prone to suffer from sticky valves so you might want to consider that also. Don Young |
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ATP* wrote:
wrote in message k.net... I had an 85 Ranger with the 2.4 L that did something similar. Ran rough, loss of power on the highway. Took it to a shop for a tune up - ran like a champ - for 1/2 a week, then back to running rough again. I was afraid of all sorts of bad things, took it back to the shop; they worked on it again, again it was smooth for 1/2 a week. (During this time I was working abou 500 miles out of town and only got to the shop on Saturdays). To make a long story short, *one* plug insulating boot had a *tiny* pinhole in it. Just by pulling them off and putting them back it would clean enough dirt/carbon off the thing to run well - until the dirt built back up, and the high energy coil put out enough volts to short to ground intermittently through the crud. Take it back then next week, pull the wires, and repeat. They finally found it by spraying water on each lead as it idled. When they hit the one with the pinhole, it shut down. You couldn't see the pinhole without a magnifying glass. Sometimnes you can see arcing if you observe the engine in the dark. He drives a Ford. He's been in the dark for years! :-) Jim |
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On May 31, 1:45 pm, " wrote:
I have a '94 Ford Ranger pickup. It has only 62000 miles on as I ride my bike a lot. It has been a good runner until recently when one day I started it and the engine ran as rough as if one cylinder was missing. Out on the street it smoothes out a little but lacks power. Since it’s drivable I’m trying to troubleshoot it myself rather than take it someplace where they will sell me a lot of parts I don’t need. It has the 2.3 L 4 cyl. Engine with distributorless ignition. I’m thinking that the probability is that the problem is not the ignition because of the relatively low mileage, the two ignition modules and two plugs per cylinder. Does this make sense? My guess is a clogged fuel injector. I put in a bottle of Gumout fuel injector cleaner and have driven it about 40 miles with no results. How long does it usually take injector cleaner to work? Is it possible to use a scanner on it? I don't see anything about that in Chilton's. Any other ideas? Engineman If it's throwing a check engine light you can check codes on the OBD-I on the '94s with a jumper wire on the diagnostic connector, turn on the key and count the flashes between pauses. These guys probably have a link to the codes somewhere in there.. http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_library/index.php ah yes, here we go: http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_library/OBD_I.html Hope that helps, --Glenn Lyford |
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On Jun 1, 12:28*am, Jim Chandler wrote:
He drives a Ford. *He's been in the dark for years! *:-) Jim Support your favorite global industrial conglomerate? |
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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 03:28:37 -0700 (PDT), Jim Wilkins
wrote: On Jun 1, 12:28*am, Jim Chandler wrote: He drives a Ford. *He's been in the dark for years! *:-) Jim Support your favorite global industrial conglomerate? Hey, I got my license on a ford with pretty much the instrument layout as my current car (Echo) Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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