On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 00:49:18 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
Huntress" quickly quoth:

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
...
On Mar 31, 8:18 pm, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:16:59 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, Leon
Fisk quickly quoth:

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:43:38 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:
snip
Scary thought. BUT, did you know that there is more forested land in
the USA today than there was 100 years ago? (there are more cities but
many fewer farms, so much of the land has been reforested.

Could you provide a cite for that claim...I would like to read it.

Too_many_Trolls, I have you filtered but saw your request when reading
Ed's reply to you. I otherwise wouldn't have seen it. I won't be
quoting pages because I'd rather you fear mongers read the whole book
so you'd have at least _some_ factual data to spout in the future.

_Earth Report 2000_ by Ronald Bailey



In the past many states were totally forested...not the case today.

Cite? (Please have someone quote you, TMT.)


--snip of Ed's cite--

It appears to me that we have a mistaken image of what the landscape looked
like in the US, in regions that were farmed. The farmers cut those suckers
down in all directions. I can't speak for other areas, but here in the most
densely populated part of the country there are many more trees today than
there were even 200 years ago.

Yeah, it seems like everyone was building homes, bridges, railroads,
and stacks of firewood for every home way back then. Every single
homestead, every single day of their adult lives. When only half a
dozen people around here have woodfires burning in the morning, the
whole valley stinks up with smoke. I can't imagine how bad it would be
if everyone burned wood every day for heating, cooking, and watching.

--
Books are the compasses and telescopes and sextants and charts which other
men have prepared to help us navigate the dangerous seas of human life.
--Jesse Lee Bennett

On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 06:30:43 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
Larry Jaques quickly quoth:

On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 00:49:18 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
Huntress" quickly quoth:

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
...
On Mar 31, 8:18 pm, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:16:59 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, Leon
Fisk quickly quoth:

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:43:38 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:
snip
Scary thought. BUT, did you know that there is more forested land in
the USA today than there was 100 years ago? (there are more cities but
many fewer farms, so much of the land has been reforested.

Could you provide a cite for that claim...I would like to read it.

Too_many_Trolls, I have you filtered but saw your request when reading
Ed's reply to you. I otherwise wouldn't have seen it. I won't be
quoting pages because I'd rather you fear mongers read the whole book
so you'd have at least _some_ factual data to spout in the future.

_Earth Report 2000_ by Ronald Bailey

I forgot Bjorn Lomborg's _The Skeptical Environmentalist_ and Peter
Huber's _Hard Green_.

Data is available but only when you look for it.

--
Books are the compasses and telescopes and sextants and charts which other
men have prepared to help us navigate the dangerous seas of human life.
--Jesse Lee Bennett

"Ed Huntress" wrote:

It appears to me that we have a mistaken image of what the landscape looked
like in the US, in regions that were farmed. The farmers cut those suckers
down in all directions. I can't speak for other areas, but here in the most
densely populated part of the country there are many more trees today than
there were even 200 years ago.

It wasn't just the farmers. During the timber boom my part of Michigan was
clear cut. All the trees I see except for at Hartwick Pines are 'new'
trees.

http://www.michigan.gov/hal/0,1607,7...3133--,00.html

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

"Wes" wrote in message
...
"Ed Huntress" wrote:

It appears to me that we have a mistaken image of what the landscape
looked
like in the US, in regions that were farmed. The farmers cut those suckers
down in all directions. I can't speak for other areas, but here in the
most
densely populated part of the country there are many more trees today than
there were even 200 years ago.

It wasn't just the farmers. During the timber boom my part of Michigan
was
clear cut. All the trees I see except for at Hartwick Pines are 'new'
trees.

I remember, from when I lived in Michigan. My boss bought a half-section of
property in the UP just because it contained 19 acres of old-growth white
cedar. Photos and paintings from a century ago showed that the land was
virtually bald.

--
Ed Huntress

On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:52:16 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Wes" wrote in message
...
"Ed Huntress" wrote:

It appears to me that we have a mistaken image of what the landscape
looked
like in the US, in regions that were farmed. The farmers cut those suckers
down in all directions. I can't speak for other areas, but here in the
most
densely populated part of the country there are many more trees today than
there were even 200 years ago.

It wasn't just the farmers. During the timber boom my part of Michigan
was
clear cut. All the trees I see except for at Hartwick Pines are 'new'
trees.

I remember, from when I lived in Michigan. My boss bought a half-section of
property in the UP just because it contained 19 acres of old-growth white
cedar. Photos and paintings from a century ago showed that the land was
virtually bald.

A lot of the UP timber was used to make charcoal to fuel the
iron smelters to make pig iron. What a waste eh, all up in
smoke...

"In operation from 1867 to 1891, its furnaces produced over
229,000 tons of pig iron to become the second largest
producer of charcoal iron in Michigan."

excerpted from:

http://michigan.gov/hal/0,1607,7-160--175641--,00.html

more info:

http://www.exploringthenorth.com/fayette/town.html

--
Leon Fisk
Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
Remove no.spam for email

On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:52:16 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
Huntress" quickly quoth:


"Wes" wrote in message
...
"Ed Huntress" wrote:

It appears to me that we have a mistaken image of what the landscape
looked
like in the US, in regions that were farmed. The farmers cut those suckers
down in all directions. I can't speak for other areas, but here in the
most
densely populated part of the country there are many more trees today than
there were even 200 years ago.

It wasn't just the farmers. During the timber boom my part of Michigan
was
clear cut. All the trees I see except for at Hartwick Pines are 'new'
trees.

I remember, from when I lived in Michigan. My boss bought a half-section of
property in the UP just because it contained 19 acres of old-growth white
cedar. Photos and paintings from a century ago showed that the land was
virtually bald.

He got "old growth", eh? heh heh heh

He can start buying "carbon credits" now. heh heh heh

--
That man is the richest whose pleasures are the cheapest.
-- Henry David Thoreau

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:52:16 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
Huntress" quickly quoth:


"Wes" wrote in message
...
"Ed Huntress" wrote:

It appears to me that we have a mistaken image of what the landscape
looked
like in the US, in regions that were farmed. The farmers cut those
suckers
down in all directions. I can't speak for other areas, but here in the
most
densely populated part of the country there are many more trees today
than
there were even 200 years ago.

It wasn't just the farmers. During the timber boom my part of Michigan
was
clear cut. All the trees I see except for at Hartwick Pines are 'new'
trees.

I remember, from when I lived in Michigan. My boss bought a half-section
of
property in the UP just because it contained 19 acres of old-growth white
cedar. Photos and paintings from a century ago showed that the land was
virtually bald.

He got "old growth", eh? heh heh heh

I'm sure it's all cut down by now. He was a recreational-property
developer -- and I was a saleman for him. Want to buy a steenking swamp?
d8-)


He can start buying "carbon credits" now. heh heh heh

--
Ed Huntress

I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that Gunner Asch
wrote on Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:08:41 -0700
in rec.crafts.metalworking :
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:16:59 -0400, Leon Fisk
wrote:

As another poster posits in a different group I read, "I'm
still wondering what the guy was thinking, as he cut down
the last tree on Easter Island."


Ive always wondered about the first guy to eat an oyster.....

Was it on a bet with the other guys?

I wonder about the second guy.

Three is always a "Crazy Eddie" who will do or eat anything. It
is when Crazy Eddie convinces on of his "sane" buddies to try it.

Charlie: So what have you here, Eddie? This is the result of that
bunch of sprouted barley you let get all bubbly, last week, right? And
you want me to drink this?
Eddie: Yeah, man, it's [burp] great stuff. I think I'll call it
'beer'.
Charlie: [takes sip] "More like bear wizz!"

...hours later.

Charlie: "Soooz I'm t'inkin', maybe we can get zome of those hop
leaves, and like perk it up... knowwhatI mean? Oh man, look at the
time, the ol' lady is gonna be mad!
Eddie: Dat might work my friend. Say, wherez a tree?

--
pyotr filipivich
"I had just been through hell and must have looked like death warmed
over walking into the saloon, because when I asked the bartender
whether they served zombies he said, ‘Sure, what'll you have?'"
from I Hear America Swinging by Peter DeVries

"Ed Huntress" wrote:

I remember, from when I lived in Michigan. My boss bought a half-section of
property in the UP just because it contained 19 acres of old-growth white
cedar. Photos and paintings from a century ago showed that the land was
virtually bald.


A lot of that old growth that ended up in barns and such is being reclaimed
by woodworkers. I take a bit of joy in that. I sure wish we had saved a
reasonable percentage of the original trees back in the past.

Being a conservative, I also believe in conservation.

It would be neat as heck to go walking through a 1700's Michigan forrest. I
bet it looked nothing like what the local woods do now.

Wes
--
"Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect
government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home
in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller

"Wes" wrote in message
news
"Ed Huntress" wrote:

I remember, from when I lived in Michigan. My boss bought a half-section
of
property in the UP just because it contained 19 acres of old-growth white
cedar. Photos and paintings from a century ago showed that the land was
virtually bald.


A lot of that old growth that ended up in barns and such is being
reclaimed
by woodworkers. I take a bit of joy in that. I sure wish we had saved a
reasonable percentage of the original trees back in the past.

Being a conservative, I also believe in conservation.

It would be neat as heck to go walking through a 1700's Michigan forrest.
I
bet it looked nothing like what the local woods do now.

I've read that the white cedars were huge. Unlike Eastern red cedars, they
don't die when they get pinched for sunlight.

--
Ed Huntress