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In the Trades we call this an Old Man. I made one years ago out of
pipe. Two sections of pipe and a coupler. Weld a hook on one end of
the pipe. Make a sleeve that will slide over the pipe. Weld a metal
saddle to the sleeve.The saddle is made to fit over the handle of the
drill that you use. This allows you to plumb the drill using the
saddle,which is welded to the sleeve. The sleeve will be able to
slide
along the pipe. Using a small chain attached one end to the hook and
dead head the other end around a solid anchor point. I made each pipe
sections 24 inches longs. This allows it to fit in one of tool boxes.
You can make them any length that works for your needs.This old man
will give you all the down pressure that you need to drill holes in
difficult areas and helps with the drilling of multiple holes. I hope
that this will help.This is a great tool for doing field work

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Ron,

I'm having trouble visualizing how this would help any with down pressure.
Are you somehow getting leverage that I'm not understanding? A picture would
be worth a 1000 words here.

I keep watching for a magnetic drill, but they seem to bring a small
fortune. I'm always having to drill a one inch hole on a large piece of
farm equipment - terrible job. I use a 1/2" Milwaukee hand drill. Don't want
to go larger - this machine kicks my ass when it grabs.

Karl


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Karl Townsend wrote:
Ron,

I'm having trouble visualizing how this would help any with down pressure.
Are you somehow getting leverage that I'm not understanding? A picture would
be worth a 1000 words here.

I keep watching for a magnetic drill, but they seem to bring a small
fortune. I'm always having to drill a one inch hole on a large piece of
farm equipment - terrible job. I use a 1/2" Milwaukee hand drill. Don't want
to go larger - this machine kicks my ass when it grabs.


There was a (Milwaukee?) mag drill on the local craigs list recently for
$350
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Ron,

I'm having trouble visualizing how this would help any with down pressure.
Are you somehow getting leverage that I'm not understanding? A picture would
be worth a 1000 words here.

I keep watching for a magnetic drill, but they seem to bring a small
fortune. I'm always having to drill a one inch hole on a large piece of
farm equipment - terrible job. I use a 1/2" Milwaukee hand drill. Don't want
to go larger - this machine kicks my ass when it grabs.

Karl


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Karl Look at this link.This one is designed poorly but it will give
you the idea.

http://patents1.ic.gc.ca/details?patent_number=2173424
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On Nov 14, 12:32 pm, "Karl Townsend"
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Ron,

I'm having trouble visualizing how this would help any with down pressure.
Are you somehow getting leverage that I'm not understanding? A picture would
be worth a 1000 words here.

I keep watching for a magnetic drill, but they seem to bring a small
fortune. I'm always having to drill a one inch hole on a large piece of
farm equipment - terrible job. I use a 1/2" Milwaukee hand drill. Don't want
to go larger - this machine kicks my ass when it grabs.

Karl

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Hi Karl:
The message should have said pressure in the direction that you are
drilling.Basically it is just an adjustable lever. They work like a
charm. I have drilled thousands of holes with this old man. It would
be just like you used a long piece of pipe. Except as you drill in the
steel. The saddle slides on the pipe to keep the drill going straight.
Send me your mailing address and I will send you a picture.
Millwright Ron
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Ron,


I keep watching for a magnetic drill, but they seem to bring a small
fortune.


I feel like a fool. About 10 years ago at a San Francisco area auction they
finally came to the magnetic drills. 24 drills total!! By the time they
were auctioning the 5th drill the price was well below $100. Somewhere
around the 15th sale they were begging to see if anybody would want one for
$20. I didn't take one because I had no idea what they were!!! Maybe these
were a bit large for home use they looked like they would weigh close to
80-100 lbs. Now I wish I had one.

Oh well,

Ivan Vegvary


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OK, Now I get it. That's a great idea. I've got a screw stud on the side of
that Milwaukee. I'll just make my old man so it bolts right into that stud.
I think I'll just use one of those one inch ratchet strap units instead of a
chain. You can hook them to almost anything.

The skin of my knuckles thanks you. (That's what I lose first on a big drill
job)

Karl



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On Nov 14, 12:32 pm, "Karl Townsend"
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Ron,

I'm having trouble visualizing how this would help any with down pressure.
Are you somehow getting leverage that I'm not understanding? A picture would
be worth a 1000 words here.

I keep watching for a magnetic drill, but they seem to bring a small
fortune. I'm always having to drill a one inch hole on a large piece of
farm equipment - terrible job. I use a 1/2" Milwaukee hand drill. Don't want
to go larger - this machine kicks my ass when it grabs.

Karl


I got a Milwaukee... First $200.00 take it...

E-mail

Kbeitz at Pa.net .....

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On Nov 14, 3:04 pm, "Karl Townsend"
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OK, Now I get it. That's a great idea. I've got a screw stud on the side of
that Milwaukee. I'll just make my old man so it bolts right into that stud.
I think I'll just use one of those one inch ratchet strap units instead of a
chain. You can hook them to almost anything.

The skin of my knuckles thanks you. (That's what I lose first on a big drill
job)

Karl


I have used several types of old man drilling jig.
First was a 1 1/2 foot long pipe handle with 3 or more hooks welded on
one end to adjustably engage a chain. It had 2 or 3 small lobes welded
on the bottom to keep drill motor from sliding off. The chain had a
horse shoe shaped washer on the other end to slip under bolts. This
was used to drill and ream taper dowell pins to maintain alingment.
The tops of the dowell pins were threaded for a nut to allow easy
removal. The drill was a milwalkee with a 90 degree head. Worked
great.

The other old man drill I have is store bought. It is a 5/8 drill
chuck in a head with a larger nut to advance the drill bit when the
nut was screwed in by hand. The head moved freely up and down and was
clamped on a shaft . The shaft was 1 1/4 in diameter. I could bolt the
shaft to my work or I could tack weld the made up foot to my work. the
hole needed a pilot , but after that it was all manual. With a sharp
drill bit and some cuting oil, it didn't take very long. This was
turned by hand power pulling on the racheting lever arm. Still got it
some where in my stuff. No problem swinging a 1 or 1 1/4 bit.
ROBB



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Another way is to loop a chain around the workpiece, then over the drill
handle. Twist the drill while it's running. Gives extreme down pressure.
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On Nov 14, 12:32 pm, "Karl Townsend"
wrote:
Ron,

I'm having trouble visualizing how this would help any with down
pressure.
Are you somehow getting leverage that I'm not understanding? A picture
would
be worth a 1000 words here.

I keep watching for a magnetic drill, but they seem to bring a small
fortune. I'm always having to drill a one inch hole on a large piece of
farm equipment - terrible job. I use a 1/2" Milwaukee hand drill. Don't
want
to go larger - this machine kicks my ass when it grabs.

Karl


I got a Milwaukee... First $200.00 take it...

E-mail

Kbeitz at Pa.net .....





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On Nov 14, 3:32 pm, "Karl Townsend"
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I keep watching for a magnetic drill, but they seem to bring a small
fortune. I'm always having to drill a one inch hole on a large piece of
farm equipment - terrible job....
Karl


I've gotten reasonably good results drilling 1/2" plate and WF steel
beams with a benchtop drill press modified so the head can slide down
the column. Turn the head around to clear the base and clamp the base
to the beam. This particular drill press is the 3/8" model that sells
for around $70; more torque and a lower spindle speed would be better
but this one will drill 1/2" if the drill is sharp and I'm careful.

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