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Building an Old Man
In the Trades we call this an Old Man. I made one years ago out of
pipe. Two sections of pipe and a coupler. Weld a hook on one end of the pipe. Make a sleeve that will slide over the pipe. Weld a metal saddle to the sleeve.The saddle is made to fit over the handle of the drill that you use. This allows you to plumb the drill using the saddle,which is welded to the sleeve. The sleeve will be able to slide along the pipe. Using a small chain attached one end to the hook and dead head the other end around a solid anchor point. I made each pipe sections 24 inches longs. This allows it to fit in one of tool boxes. You can make them any length that works for your needs.This old man will give you all the down pressure that you need to drill holes in difficult areas and helps with the drilling of multiple holes. I hope that this will help.This is a great tool for doing field work Millwright Ron www.unionmillwright.com |
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Ron,
I'm having trouble visualizing how this would help any with down pressure. Are you somehow getting leverage that I'm not understanding? A picture would be worth a 1000 words here. I keep watching for a magnetic drill, but they seem to bring a small fortune. I'm always having to drill a one inch hole on a large piece of farm equipment - terrible job. I use a 1/2" Milwaukee hand drill. Don't want to go larger - this machine kicks my ass when it grabs. Karl |
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Karl Townsend wrote:
Ron, I'm having trouble visualizing how this would help any with down pressure. Are you somehow getting leverage that I'm not understanding? A picture would be worth a 1000 words here. I keep watching for a magnetic drill, but they seem to bring a small fortune. I'm always having to drill a one inch hole on a large piece of farm equipment - terrible job. I use a 1/2" Milwaukee hand drill. Don't want to go larger - this machine kicks my ass when it grabs. There was a (Milwaukee?) mag drill on the local craigs list recently for $350 |
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On Nov 14, 12:32 pm, "Karl Townsend"
wrote: Ron, I'm having trouble visualizing how this would help any with down pressure. Are you somehow getting leverage that I'm not understanding? A picture would be worth a 1000 words here. I keep watching for a magnetic drill, but they seem to bring a small fortune. I'm always having to drill a one inch hole on a large piece of farm equipment - terrible job. I use a 1/2" Milwaukee hand drill. Don't want to go larger - this machine kicks my ass when it grabs. Karl ************************* Karl Look at this link.This one is designed poorly but it will give you the idea. http://patents1.ic.gc.ca/details?patent_number=2173424 Millwright Ron www.unionmillwright.com |
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On Nov 14, 12:32 pm, "Karl Townsend"
wrote: Ron, I'm having trouble visualizing how this would help any with down pressure. Are you somehow getting leverage that I'm not understanding? A picture would be worth a 1000 words here. I keep watching for a magnetic drill, but they seem to bring a small fortune. I'm always having to drill a one inch hole on a large piece of farm equipment - terrible job. I use a 1/2" Milwaukee hand drill. Don't want to go larger - this machine kicks my ass when it grabs. Karl ************************************************* Hi Karl: The message should have said pressure in the direction that you are drilling.Basically it is just an adjustable lever. They work like a charm. I have drilled thousands of holes with this old man. It would be just like you used a long piece of pipe. Except as you drill in the steel. The saddle slides on the pipe to keep the drill going straight. Send me your mailing address and I will send you a picture. Millwright Ron www.unionmillwright.com |
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"Karl Townsend" wrote in message anews.com... Ron, I keep watching for a magnetic drill, but they seem to bring a small fortune. I feel like a fool. About 10 years ago at a San Francisco area auction they finally came to the magnetic drills. 24 drills total!! By the time they were auctioning the 5th drill the price was well below $100. Somewhere around the 15th sale they were begging to see if anybody would want one for $20. I didn't take one because I had no idea what they were!!! Maybe these were a bit large for home use they looked like they would weigh close to 80-100 lbs. Now I wish I had one. Oh well, Ivan Vegvary |
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OK, Now I get it. That's a great idea. I've got a screw stud on the side of that Milwaukee. I'll just make my old man so it bolts right into that stud. I think I'll just use one of those one inch ratchet strap units instead of a chain. You can hook them to almost anything. The skin of my knuckles thanks you. (That's what I lose first on a big drill job) Karl |
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On Nov 14, 12:32 pm, "Karl Townsend"
wrote: Ron, I'm having trouble visualizing how this would help any with down pressure. Are you somehow getting leverage that I'm not understanding? A picture would be worth a 1000 words here. I keep watching for a magnetic drill, but they seem to bring a small fortune. I'm always having to drill a one inch hole on a large piece of farm equipment - terrible job. I use a 1/2" Milwaukee hand drill. Don't want to go larger - this machine kicks my ass when it grabs. Karl I got a Milwaukee... First $200.00 take it... Kbeitz at Pa.net ..... |
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On Nov 14, 3:04 pm, "Karl Townsend"
wrote: OK, Now I get it. That's a great idea. I've got a screw stud on the side of that Milwaukee. I'll just make my old man so it bolts right into that stud. I think I'll just use one of those one inch ratchet strap units instead of a chain. You can hook them to almost anything. The skin of my knuckles thanks you. (That's what I lose first on a big drill job) Karl I have used several types of old man drilling jig. First was a 1 1/2 foot long pipe handle with 3 or more hooks welded on one end to adjustably engage a chain. It had 2 or 3 small lobes welded on the bottom to keep drill motor from sliding off. The chain had a horse shoe shaped washer on the other end to slip under bolts. This was used to drill and ream taper dowell pins to maintain alingment. The tops of the dowell pins were threaded for a nut to allow easy removal. The drill was a milwalkee with a 90 degree head. Worked great. The other old man drill I have is store bought. It is a 5/8 drill chuck in a head with a larger nut to advance the drill bit when the nut was screwed in by hand. The head moved freely up and down and was clamped on a shaft . The shaft was 1 1/4 in diameter. I could bolt the shaft to my work or I could tack weld the made up foot to my work. the hole needed a pilot , but after that it was all manual. With a sharp drill bit and some cuting oil, it didn't take very long. This was turned by hand power pulling on the racheting lever arm. Still got it some where in my stuff. No problem swinging a 1 or 1 1/4 bit. ROBB |
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Another way is to loop a chain around the workpiece, then over the drill
handle. Twist the drill while it's running. Gives extreme down pressure. Walt wrote in message ups.com... On Nov 14, 12:32 pm, "Karl Townsend" wrote: Ron, I'm having trouble visualizing how this would help any with down pressure. Are you somehow getting leverage that I'm not understanding? A picture would be worth a 1000 words here. I keep watching for a magnetic drill, but they seem to bring a small fortune. I'm always having to drill a one inch hole on a large piece of farm equipment - terrible job. I use a 1/2" Milwaukee hand drill. Don't want to go larger - this machine kicks my ass when it grabs. Karl I got a Milwaukee... First $200.00 take it... Kbeitz at Pa.net ..... |
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On Nov 14, 3:32 pm, "Karl Townsend"
wrote: I keep watching for a magnetic drill, but they seem to bring a small fortune. I'm always having to drill a one inch hole on a large piece of farm equipment - terrible job.... Karl I've gotten reasonably good results drilling 1/2" plate and WF steel beams with a benchtop drill press modified so the head can slide down the column. Turn the head around to clear the base and clamp the base to the beam. This particular drill press is the 3/8" model that sells for around $70; more torque and a lower spindle speed would be better but this one will drill 1/2" if the drill is sharp and I'm careful. |
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