Ed Huntress wrote:
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 10:03:17 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
Huntress" quickly quoth:

"Dan_Musicant" wrote in message
news On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 00:51:45 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

:
:And not nice on your lungs, I hear. Of course, safety glasses should go
:without saying.
:
The other day when I spent 1/2 hour to 45 minutes doing my first powered
buff, I had the idea that the air was getting kinda foul. Will any sort
of dust mask work? I have an assortment. Suppose I should use my safety
goggles, too!
Goggles good. Dust foul. I use cheap dust masks that I buy 50 in a pack.
I can't wear those because I can't get them to seal worth a ****. I
buy the $2 Wally World masks with the valve and sometimes use an extra
strip of soft foam to seal my nose so it doesn't fog up my glasses.
(if goggles aren't being used.) They can be reused for a month +.

I have a nice nose. All the girls used to say so. d8-)


They were girls studying at the Institute for the blind and that was not your nose
they were feeling Ed. (O;}

"Fred Carpenter" wrote in message
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Ed Huntress wrote:
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 10:03:17 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
Huntress" quickly quoth:

"Dan_Musicant" wrote in message
news On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 00:51:45 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

:
:And not nice on your lungs, I hear. Of course, safety glasses should
go
:without saying.
:
The other day when I spent 1/2 hour to 45 minutes doing my first
powered
buff, I had the idea that the air was getting kinda foul. Will any
sort
of dust mask work? I have an assortment. Suppose I should use my
safety
goggles, too!
Goggles good. Dust foul. I use cheap dust masks that I buy 50 in a
pack.
I can't wear those because I can't get them to seal worth a ****. I
buy the $2 Wally World masks with the valve and sometimes use an extra
strip of soft foam to seal my nose so it doesn't fog up my glasses.
(if goggles aren't being used.) They can be reused for a month +.

I have a nice nose. All the girls used to say so. d8-)


They were girls studying at the Institute for the blind and that was not
your nose they were feeling Ed. (O;}

I wish! Actually, it's a very ordinary noze, which is why cheap dust masks
fit well. That is, since I shaved my mustache. Soon, I'll have to worry
about dust getting in through the wrinkles. They're starting to look like
the Potomac River drainage.

--
Ed Huntress

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:03:39 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

:Aack! I get chills just seeing things like that.
:
:A couple decades ago, I hadn't yet sharpened Mom's knife for her and
:was cutting up some beef for stew one time. It caught some gristle and
ulled my thumb into the line of fire. It cut halfway through my nail
:and thumb, widthwise, and stopped. I felt somethign funny and looked
:down, then started laughing. Mom almost fainted. I soaped up and
:rinsed it out well, then butterfly bandaged it, changing it and using
:triple antibiotic (aka Magic Medicine) on it for a few days. After a
:couple weeks, I almost forgot I'd been bitten. Some people would have
:freaked out and spent a couple grand at the hospital. I used common
:sense and a buck in bandaids to accomplish the same thing. I get
:chills just seeing hospital bills. So there.

I'm with you there. The only time I went to the emergency room was the
time I was sanding a piece of wood and jammed a splinter 1/2 way up my
fingernail. Ouch!!

I showed up at the local ER and they cut through the nail and removed
the splinter. Trouble was they didn't get it all and I had to go back
(IIRC a couple of days later... this was over 23 years ago, maybe 28 I
don't remember). They got the rest of the splinter on the second visit.
I'm more careful when sanding now, or apparently, since it hasn't
happened again.

I'm good getting out splinters, have a great great extra extra fine set
of tweazers, and a cool 10x magnifier.

I'm going to have to learn how to make a butterfly bandage, though. I've
heard of them but don't know how to make them. I've heard of this stuff
called "liquid bandage" or something like that, that it's really good.
Have to get some of that...

Dan

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:03:39 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

:I can't wear those because I can't get them to seal worth a ****. I
:buy the $2 Wally World masks with the valve and sometimes use an extra
:strip of soft foam to seal my nose so it doesn't fog up my glasses.
if goggles aren't being used.) They can be reused for a month +.

I sometimes use the disposable ones, have a few, but I prefer to use a
reusable one that I've had again well over 2 decades. I bought it from
the same hardware store I mentioned earlier in the thread, the one that
said they didn't carry Dico polishing compound when I called, and called
them back and said they had it (WTF).

This mask is light, small, simple, has a couple of valves that are one
way, fits snug and best of all, you can suck in to close the valves and
feel that the mask is making a seal on your face. With the disposable
masks it leaves you guessing, and I usually have to assume that there
isn't a good seal, since there's no way to prove there is. On top of all
this, the mask is washable and so are the filters that it uses. Plus,
it's a snap to cut my own filters (they are circular) if I ever need
more. It's a piece of genius.

Dan

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 02:39:09 GMT, Dan_Musicant
wrote:

:A couple decades ago, I hadn't yet sharpened Mom's knife for her and
:was cutting up some beef for stew one time. It caught some gristle and
ulled my thumb into the line of fire. It cut halfway through my nail
:and thumb, widthwise, and stopped. I felt somethign funny and looked
:down, then started laughing. Mom almost fainted. I soaped up and
:rinsed it out well, then butterfly bandaged it, changing it and using
:triple antibiotic (aka Magic Medicine) on it for a few days. After a
:couple weeks, I almost forgot I'd been bitten. Some people would have
:freaked out and spent a couple grand at the hospital. I used common
:sense and a buck in bandaids to accomplish the same thing. I get
:chills just seeing hospital bills. So there.

I'm with you there. The only time I went to the emergency room was the
time I was sanding a piece of wood and jammed a splinter 1/2 way up my
fingernail. Ouch!!

I showed up at the local ER and they cut through the nail and removed
the splinter. Trouble was they didn't get it all and I had to go back
(IIRC a couple of days later... this was over 23 years ago, maybe 28 I
don't remember). They got the rest of the splinter on the second visit.
I'm more careful when sanding now, or apparently, since it hasn't
happened again.

The abrasive cutoff wheel on a Dremel tool works really good at
splitting the nail to get deep splinters out. If it hurts..use OraJell
or similar over the counter topical/dental pain killer to numb the
finger before cutting into the nail. Clove oil also works well enough.

Topicaine and other topical anesthetics are indicated. Someof the
anti itch OTC medications work as well.. Prep H does too...but slower.

http://arthritis.about.com/od/topica...e_the_Skin.htm


I'm good getting out splinters, have a great great extra extra fine set
of tweazers, and a cool 10x magnifier.

I'm going to have to learn how to make a butterfly bandage, though. I've
heard of them but don't know how to make them. I've heard of this stuff
called "liquid bandage" or something like that, that it's really good.
Have to get some of that...

Dan


You buy butterflys at nearly any drugstore. Steri Strips are a trade
name

Band-Aid also makes them

http://www.utahmountainbiking.com/firstaid/cutfix.htm


btw..if you get a bleeder...try either a stepic pencil, or hold a
fresh piece of the outer layer of an onion skin over the wound. Stops
bleeding quickly. Something to do with catalysing the blood. Though
letting it bleed for a minue or so helps ensure the wound is flushed
clean.

A really GOOD temp bandage is regular Super Glue. In fact..it was
invented for wound closure. Let bleed, wash and dry, hold the wound
closed and apply Super Glue to the OUTSIDE of the wound. Hold until it
sets.

For liquid bandage....one brand

http://www.jnj.com/innovations/new_f...id_Bandage.htm

Rubber cement has been used as well..let bleed, wash and dry, apply a
thin layer OVER the wound.

Never close up a wound without cleaning it really really good. You
may glue in a nasty bug if you dont. Glue them in the enviroment they
prefer most...dark, wet and sheltered.

Gunner



"[L]iberals are afraid to state what they truly believe in, for to do so
would result in even less votes than they currently receive. Their
methodology is to lie about their real agenda in the hopes of regaining
power, at which point they will do whatever they damn well please. The
problem is they have concealed and obfuscated for so long that, as a group,
they themselves are no longer sure of their goals. They are a collection of
wild-eyed splinter groups, all holding a grab-bag of dreams and wishes. Some
want a Socialist, secular-humanist state, others the repeal of the Second
Amendment. Some want same sex/different species marriage, others want voting
rights for trees, fish, coal and bugs. Some want cradle to grave care and
complete subservience to the government nanny state, others want a culture
that walks in lockstep and speaks only with intonations of political
correctness. I view the American liberals in much the same way I view the
competing factions of Islamic
fundamentalists. The latter hate each other to the core, and only join
forces to attack the US or Israel. The former hate themselves to the core,
and only join forces to attack George Bush and conservatives." --Ron Marr

On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 22:12:31 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
Huntress" quickly quoth:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
news

I can't wear those because I can't get them to seal worth a ****. I
buy the $2 Wally World masks with the valve and sometimes use an extra
strip of soft foam to seal my nose so it doesn't fog up my glasses.
(if goggles aren't being used.) They can be reused for a month +.

I have a nice nose. All the girls used to say so. d8-)
i

Yes, depending upon how it's used. I grok that, Ig.


chills just seeing hospital bills. So there.

Speaking of which, did I tell you how much the bills were for the heart
attack I had earlier this year? It was two hospitals in one day, then two
days recovering in the second one, and then back two weeks later for a few
more stents and two days in a room. Total bill: $220,000.

Damn, I wish I got an hourly rate like that.

That's abso****inglutely horrendous, isn't it? In five days, they
charged you more money than the vast majority of people in the world
earn in their entire _lives_. No wonder insurance is so goddamned
expensive and unavailable to millions here in the USA.

--
************************************************** *********
"Boy, I feel safer now that Martha Stewart is behind bars!
O.J. is walking around free, Osama Bin Laden too, but they
take the one woman in America willing to cook and clean
and work in the yard and haul her ass to jail."
--Tim Allen
************************************************** *********

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 02:44:41 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm,
Dan_Musicant quickly quoth:

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:03:39 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

:I can't wear those because I can't get them to seal worth a ****. I
:buy the $2 Wally World masks with the valve and sometimes use an extra
:strip of soft foam to seal my nose so it doesn't fog up my glasses.
if goggles aren't being used.) They can be reused for a month +.

I sometimes use the disposable ones, have a few, but I prefer to use a
reusable one that I've had again well over 2 decades. I bought it from
the same hardware store I mentioned earlier in the thread, the one that
said they didn't carry Dico polishing compound when I called, and called
them back and said they had it (WTF).

You can't get good help nowadays. sigh


This mask is light, small, simple, has a couple of valves that are one
way, fits snug and best of all, you can suck in to close the valves and
feel that the mask is making a seal on your face. With the disposable
masks it leaves you guessing, and I usually have to assume that there
isn't a good seal, since there's no way to prove there is. On top of all

I can feel a thread of air tickling my eyelashes with the cheap masks,
so figuring out that it's leaking is a no-brainer. They also fog my
glasses, another big clue. Feh!


this, the mask is washable and so are the filters that it uses. Plus,
it's a snap to cut my own filters (they are circular) if I ever need
more. It's a piece of genius.

Sounds like a great mask system. Keep it! Wait a minute, what do you
cut filters from? You can buy NIOSH 95 approved fabric?

I more often use my respirator any more, now that I have dust filter
cartridges for it. It's a 3M silicone half-mask which fits superbly.

--
************************************************** *********
"Boy, I feel safer now that Martha Stewart is behind bars!
O.J. is walking around free, Osama Bin Laden too, but they
take the one woman in America willing to cook and clean
and work in the yard and haul her ass to jail."
--Tim Allen
************************************************** *********

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 03:11:39 -0800, Larry Jaques
wrote:

:On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 02:44:41 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm,
an_Musicant quickly quoth:
:
:On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:03:39 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:
:
::I can't wear those because I can't get them to seal worth a ****. I
::buy the $2 Wally World masks with the valve and sometimes use an extra
::strip of soft foam to seal my nose so it doesn't fog up my glasses.
:if goggles aren't being used.) They can be reused for a month +.
:
:I sometimes use the disposable ones, have a few, but I prefer to use a
:reusable one that I've had again well over 2 decades. I bought it from
:the same hardware store I mentioned earlier in the thread, the one that
:said they didn't carry Dico polishing compound when I called, and called
:them back and said they had it (WTF).
:
:You can't get good help nowadays. sigh

Yeah, funny thing is a coupla decades or so I filled out an application
to work there... They're the kind of place where you can always get
personal help quickly. They have a station you go to and take your
numbered ticket and yours usually comes up in a minute or so. If you
don't want personal help, you avoid the station. That's nice when you
don't want help, and that's me in a hardware store a lot of the time.
They do have the prettiest checkout girls I see in any hardware store,
hands down. That's not saying a lot, of course, but it's something.
Hehe.
:
:This mask is light, small, simple, has a couple of valves that are one
:way, fits snug and best of all, you can suck in to close the valves and
:feel that the mask is making a seal on your face. With the disposable
:masks it leaves you guessing, and I usually have to assume that there
:isn't a good seal, since there's no way to prove there is. On top of all
:
:I can feel a thread of air tickling my eyelashes with the cheap masks,
:so figuring out that it's leaking is a no-brainer. They also fog my
:glasses, another big clue. Feh!
:
:
:this, the mask is washable and so are the filters that it uses. Plus,
:it's a snap to cut my own filters (they are circular) if I ever need
:more. It's a piece of genius.
:
:Sounds like a great mask system. Keep it! Wait a minute, what do you
:cut filters from? You can buy NIOSH 95 approved fabric?

It's been so long, I don't know what I used for extra filter(s), and
actually I'm not sure I ever did cut my own. I believe I have at least
one extra filter and in any case I routinely just wash the current
filter out with soap and water when it looks pretty dark and let it dry
and put it back in. It's a perfect dust mask. However, it wouldn't be
officially approved for some stuff, such as lead paint, I imagine. I
almost always give it the snug test 1/2 expecting that it's not properly
situated on my face, but it always seems to pass the test. It's as if it
were custom made for my face.
:
:I more often use my respirator any more, now that I have dust filter
:cartridges for it. It's a 3M silicone half-mask which fits superbly.

Email: dmusicant at pacbell dot net

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 22:12:31 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
Huntress" quickly quoth:

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
news

I can't wear those because I can't get them to seal worth a ****. I
buy the $2 Wally World masks with the valve and sometimes use an extra
strip of soft foam to seal my nose so it doesn't fog up my glasses.
(if goggles aren't being used.) They can be reused for a month +.

I have a nice nose. All the girls used to say so. d8-)
i

Yes, depending upon how it's used. I grok that, Ig.


chills just seeing hospital bills. So there.

Speaking of which, did I tell you how much the bills were for the heart
attack I had earlier this year? It was two hospitals in one day, then two
days recovering in the second one, and then back two weeks later for a few
more stents and two days in a room. Total bill: $220,000.

Damn, I wish I got an hourly rate like that.

That's abso****inglutely horrendous, isn't it? In five days, they
charged you more money than the vast majority of people in the world
earn in their entire _lives_. No wonder insurance is so goddamned
expensive and unavailable to millions here in the USA.

Yeah, and here's another thing that will get your goat. The $220,000 is the
bill they sent to *me*. My insurance company, I was told by someone who
wasn't supposed to tell me, paid $43,000, and the hospital was happy with
that.

--
Ed Huntress

On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 11:05:16 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
Huntress" quickly quoth:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 22:12:31 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
Huntress" quickly quoth:

more stents and two days in a room. Total bill: $220,000.

Damn, I wish I got an hourly rate like that.

That's abso****inglutely horrendous, isn't it? In five days, they
charged you more money than the vast majority of people in the world
earn in their entire _lives_. No wonder insurance is so goddamned
expensive and unavailable to millions here in the USA.

Yeah, and here's another thing that will get your goat. The $220,000 is the
bill they sent to *me*. My insurance company, I was told by someone who
wasn't supposed to tell me, paid $43,000, and the hospital was happy with
that.

"GDMFASOBs" is all I can say to that.

--
************************************************** *********
"Boy, I feel safer now that Martha Stewart is behind bars!
O.J. is walking around free, Osama Bin Laden too, but they
take the one woman in America willing to cook and clean
and work in the yard and haul her ass to jail."
--Tim Allen
************************************************** *********

Gunner Asch wrote in
:

snip

btw..if you get a bleeder...try either a stepic pencil, or hold a
fresh piece of the outer layer of an onion skin over the wound. Stops
bleeding quickly. Something to do with catalysing the blood. Though
letting it bleed for a minue or so helps ensure the wound is flushed
clean.

snip

Sounds interesting. Just to clairify, do you mean the dry outer layer or
the first wet one directly under the dry skin??

Bill

On Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:20:28 -0600, Bill wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote in
:

snip

btw..if you get a bleeder...try either a stepic pencil, or hold a
fresh piece of the outer layer of an onion skin over the wound. Stops
bleeding quickly. Something to do with catalysing the blood. Though
letting it bleed for a minue or so helps ensure the wound is flushed
clean.

snip

Sounds interesting. Just to clairify, do you mean the dry outer layer or
the first wet one directly under the dry skin??

Bill


First wet one.

Gunner

Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.