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On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:34:49 -0400, "Phillip Vogel"
wrote: Well, here's what a person who's REALLY concerned about that issue would do: Vote for Kerry. p. Given that millions are being screwed every day by too-high drug prices, one would think that Gunnervision would be on the case hot and heavy. Particularly since the entire staff at HQ needs meds they can't afford. Unfortunately, Gunnervision is too busy with more important matters, such as publicizing the high risk of finding a dem sex offender ringing the doorbell. Wayne |
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What is sad is people advocating violence to further a political agenda.
And they expect respect? I think not. Gunner wrote: On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:26:53 GMT, yourname wrote: uh I am not ht eone talking about giving medals to mass murderers, abortion is legal, move to somewhere it aint Putting Jews in ditches and machine gunning them was legal Putting Jews in truck bodies connected to the exhaust pipe was legal Putting Jews in large rooms then poisoning them with Zyklon B gas was legal. Does that make it right? Gunner Lawrence Glickman wrote: On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 00:32:16 GMT, yourname wrote: so killing people is ok, so long as you don't like what they do, and you are part of a tiny psychotic minority that wants to control other people, hmm interesting R U Kidding? Slaughtering babies is not psychotic? Murder? Heinous CRIMES against Humanity, that put Holocaust to shame in comparison ? You are part of the problem dude. Get help quickly. Lg That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell |
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In article , yourname wrote:
What is sad is people advocating violence to further a political agenda. And they expect respect? I think not. Abortion is a very tough issue. For those who think killing an unborn child is murder, your paragraph above becomes: "What is sad is people advocating force to stop murderers to further a political agenda about murder being a bad thing. And they expect respect?" or, even more apropos to the abortion clinic example: "What is sad is people advocating the violent destruction of the Nazi extermination camps to further their political agenda. And they expect respect?" Sometimes force and violence is indeed needed. While I don't bomb abortion clinics, I have no qualms about using or advocating violence to stop robberies or home invasions or even repeated trespassing. I doubt I'd lose a moment of sleep if I fired a shotgun blast into the chest of some burglar in my house. Some people have earned killing. --Tim May |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 16:49:14 GMT, yourname wrote:
What is sad is people advocating violence to further a political agenda. And they expect respect? I think not. Saving lives is a political agenda? Interesting. If you stopped the attempted killers of 7 million Jews..it was to further a political agenda? That's a very sad commentary on your mindset, unfortunately. Shrug Gunner Gunner wrote: On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:26:53 GMT, yourname wrote: uh I am not ht eone talking about giving medals to mass murderers, abortion is legal, move to somewhere it aint Putting Jews in ditches and machine gunning them was legal Putting Jews in truck bodies connected to the exhaust pipe was legal Putting Jews in large rooms then poisoning them with Zyklon B gas was legal. Does that make it right? Gunner Lawrence Glickman wrote: On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 00:32:16 GMT, yourname wrote: so killing people is ok, so long as you don't like what they do, and you are part of a tiny psychotic minority that wants to control other people, hmm interesting R U Kidding? Slaughtering babies is not psychotic? Murder? Heinous CRIMES against Humanity, that put Holocaust to shame in comparison ? You are part of the problem dude. Get help quickly. Lg That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell |
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Abortion is a very tough issue. For those who think killing an unborn child is murder, your paragraph above becomes: I am not talking about abortion. I am talking about wackos who think that democracy means 'whatever i vote for' and not what the majority votes for. The majority, in this instance believe it is wrong murder actual people. They believe that when someone actually shoots someone, they should go on trial. If found guilty, maybe get a needle, maybe rot in a hole somewhere. Now if I was talking about abortion, I would have to think about how interesting it is that right wing anti welfare gun nuts all are anti abortion. See, you will never make abortion illegal in this country, not a federal issue[oh ****, you are strict constructionists too, damn] so rich women will always hop the shuttle to boston, in out se ya later, no worries. So all you are really doing is restricting access to poor women. OK fine. well, they are going to be more poor kids, fine. So since you don't believe in helping the poor, there will be more starving dying poor kids. OK fine. Since there is no support for them, some percentage will no doubt attempt to finance there lifestyle by stealing your stuff, hmm regretable, but foreseeable. No doubt you will polish up your .357 and blow large pieces of them into shark bait. your right I guess, they were stealing your stuff. So the only real question I have is, are you really against murder or are you just ****ed off because you don't get to KILL THEM YOURSELF? .. .. .. .. its really just humor, but seriously, advocating killing people in a civilized society just makes you a worthless asshole, and everything you say worthy of contempt, is that really a way to get your point across, or do you just like to see your words on a computer screen? |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 10:08:08 -0700, Bart Bailey
wrote: In posted on Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:25:33 -0400, Gary Coffman wrote: Begin: On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 17:21:56 -0500, Lawrence Glickman wrote: And while we're on the topic, what happened to Eric Rudolph? Where is he? What is happening with him? I don't recall him going to trial, do you? He's sitting in jail in Birmingham. Jury selection is underway for his abortion clinic bombing trial. Gary What about Centennial Park, or would that only serve to illustrate the FBI's incompetence with that Jewell guy, and they hope to convict Rudolph of something else instead? They will get around to it, if he isn't found guilty and executed first. Now, there is another "survivalists" who probably won't survive normality. |
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yourname writes:
its really just humor, [...] George Carlin has a great routine on the conservative attitudes you talk about. It's the one where he talks about rich conservatives being against abortion *and* against support for poor, single parent kids. "If you're pre-born, you're fine. If you're pre-school, you're ****ed!" and "Pro life? They're not pro life. They're anti woman!". -tih -- Tom Ivar Helbekkmo, Senior System Administrator, EUnet Norway www.eunet.no T: +47-22092958 M: +47-93013940 F: +47-22092901 |
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On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 17:52:56 -0400, "George Willer" wrote:
It implies no such thing! Only a slug receiving largesse from some other citizen would consider the transfer from some other citizen by force to be promoting the "general welfare". Stealing from one to give to another has never been, nor should it ever be legal. Liberals!... geeze! George Willer Remember that if the arse ever falls out of your world, won't you :-) Have a nice week Mark Rand RTFM |
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George Willer wrote:
It implies no such thing! Only a slug receiving largesse from some other citizen would consider the transfer from some other citizen by force to be promoting the "general welfare". "All property, indeed, except the savage's temporary cabin, his bow, his matchcoat and other little Acquisitions absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the creature of public Convention. Hence, the public has the rights of regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the quantity and uses of it. All the property that is necessary to a man is his natural Right, which none may justly deprive him of, but all Property superfluous to such Purposes is the property of the Public who, by their Laws have created it and who may, by other Laws dispose of it." Benjamin Franklin Stealing from one to give to another has never been, nor should it ever be legal. Liberals!... geeze! "... legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property... Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there are in any country uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right." Thomas Jefferson (in a letter to James Madison), 1785 |
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Mark,
I take it from your remark that you think such stealing should be legal? I've had my world yanked away by the fickle finger of fate a couple times (fire, cancer, death of a son) and survived it by myself. I recommend you goofy Liberals try it just to see if you can. I doubt you can. George Willer "Mark Rand" wrote in message ... On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 17:52:56 -0400, "George Willer" wrote: It implies no such thing! Only a slug receiving largesse from some other citizen would consider the transfer from some other citizen by force to be promoting the "general welfare". Stealing from one to give to another has never been, nor should it ever be legal. Liberals!... geeze! George Willer Remember that if the arse ever falls out of your world, won't you :-) Have a nice week Mark Rand RTFM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 04:17:10 GMT, Gunner
wrote: On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:52:46 +0800, hamei wrote: Strabo wrote: My position is, and maybe TM and Gunner would agree, government has no business 'regulating' drugs. That is a libertarian stance. Thalidomide Was approved by the FDA. Ours, but not yours IIRC. Gerry :-)} London, Canada |
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"wmbjk" wrote in message ... On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:34:49 -0400, "Phillip Vogel" wrote: Well, here's what a person who's REALLY concerned about that issue would do: Vote for Kerry. p. Given that millions are being screwed every day by too-high drug prices, one would think that Gunnervision would be on the case hot and heavy. Particularly since the entire staff at HQ needs meds they can't afford. Unfortunately, Gunnervision is too busy with more important matters, such as publicizing the high risk of finding a dem sex offender ringing the doorbell. Wayne Well, now. That got me thinking. How's this for a summary? -- Gunner may not agree with what Gunner says, but Gunner will defend to Gunner's death Gunner's right to say it. -- |
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On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:49:20 GMT, Gerald Miller
wrote: On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 04:17:10 GMT, Gunner wrote: On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:52:46 +0800, hamei wrote: Strabo wrote: My position is, and maybe TM and Gunner would agree, government has no business 'regulating' drugs. That is a libertarian stance. Thalidomide Was approved by the FDA. Ours, but not yours IIRC. Gerry :-)} London, Canada Actually yes, the US FDA approved it for certain uses. In 1998 Thalidomide was never sold in the US, but caused havoc in the children of servicemen stationed in Germany and IRRC..Britian as it was commonly prescribed for morning sickness. Did Canada have a problem also? Its now known to inhibit AIDs and is under investigation for that, and is used for treatment of leprosy. Gunner That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 16:49:14 GMT, yourname wrote:
What is sad is people advocating violence to further a political agenda. And they expect respect? I think not. Normandy was unnecessary because it was a political agenda? Interesting Gunner Gunner wrote: On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:26:53 GMT, yourname wrote: uh I am not ht eone talking about giving medals to mass murderers, abortion is legal, move to somewhere it aint Putting Jews in ditches and machine gunning them was legal Putting Jews in truck bodies connected to the exhaust pipe was legal Putting Jews in large rooms then poisoning them with Zyklon B gas was legal. Does that make it right? Gunner Lawrence Glickman wrote: On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 00:32:16 GMT, yourname wrote: so killing people is ok, so long as you don't like what they do, and you are part of a tiny psychotic minority that wants to control other people, hmm interesting R U Kidding? Slaughtering babies is not psychotic? Murder? Heinous CRIMES against Humanity, that put Holocaust to shame in comparison ? You are part of the problem dude. Get help quickly. Lg That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:44:23 -0400, "Phillip Vogel"
wrote: "wmbjk" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:34:49 -0400, "Phillip Vogel" wrote: Well, here's what a person who's REALLY concerned about that issue would do: Vote for Kerry. p. Given that millions are being screwed every day by too-high drug prices, one would think that Gunnervision would be on the case hot and heavy. Particularly since the entire staff at HQ needs meds they can't afford. Unfortunately, Gunnervision is too busy with more important matters, such as publicizing the high risk of finding a dem sex offender ringing the doorbell. Wayne Well, now. That got me thinking. How's this for a summary? -- Gunner may not agree with what Gunner says, but Gunner will defend to Gunner's death Gunner's right to say it. Exactly ;-) |
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I think not. Normandy was unnecessary because it was a political agenda? Interesting Gunner SO you think ,somehow, a small whacked out fringe group, advocating murdering our fellow citizens, is analogous to a gov't declared war against a massed army.. do you posess any logical thought process or do the militia websites posess all the knowledge in the universe? |
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On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:42:11 GMT, yourname wrote:
I think not. Normandy was unnecessary because it was a political agenda? Interesting Gunner SO you think ,somehow, a small whacked out fringe group, advocating murdering our fellow citizens, is analogous to a gov't declared war against a massed army.. A massed army posed to do what? Germany didnt attack the US. It did attack US ships, which were attacking German ships. As I indicated...it was quite legal to kill the Jews in the Holocaust. So from your point of view..we simply should have ignored it. The Neurmberg trials should never have happened either. Looks like the Abortion Holocaust is nearly keeping up with the Germans during their best years... Number of Abortions Performed in the United States (AGI) (CDC) 1973 744,600 615,831 1974 898,600 763,476 1975 1,034,200 854,853 1976 1,179,300 988,267 1977 1,316,700 1,079,430 1978 1,409,600 1,157,776 1979 1,497,700 1,251,921 1980 1,553,900 1,297,606 1981 1,577,300 1,300,760 1982 1,573,900 1,303,980 1983 1,575,000 1,268,987 1984 1,577,200 1,333,521 1985 1,588,600 1,328,570 1986 1,574,000 1,328,112 1987 1,559,100 1,353,671 1988 1,590,800 1,371,285 1989 1,566,900 1,396,658 1990 1,608,600 1,429,577 1991 1,556,500 1,388,937 1992 1,528,900 1.359,145 1993 1,500,000 1,330,414 1994 1,431,000 1,267,415 1995 1,363,690 1,210,883 1996 1,365,730 1,221,585 1997 1,365,730 (NRLC estimate) 1998 1,365,730 (NRLC estimate.) 1999 1,365,730 (CIRTL estimate.) 40 MILLION ABORTIONS SINCE 1973 4,000 each day do you posess any logical thought process or do the militia websites posess all the knowledge in the universe? What militia websites? Im afraid you appear more familiar with them than I am. I dont think Ive ever seen one. Got links from your favorites? Take that back..I am familiar with the Beaver Country Militia..is this what you are talking about? http://www.geocities.com/beaver_militia/ Gunner That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell |
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It being a dull day, I decide to respond to what Gunner
fosted Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:47:06 GMT on rec.crafts.metalworking , viz: Thalidomide Actually yes, the US FDA approved it for certain uses. In 1998 Thalidomide was never sold in the US, but caused havoc in the children of servicemen stationed in Germany and IRRC..Britian as it was commonly prescribed for morning sickness. Did Canada have a problem also? Its now known to inhibit AIDs and is under investigation for that, and is used for treatment of leprosy. And it still makes a heck of a tranquilizer. Just not for pregnant women. Interferes with the up take of vitamin B, which in the first trimester is apparently crucial for developing arms and legs. Not something which will show up in testing on a population primarily of males. tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich. as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with." |
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In article , Gunner
writes: Looks like the Abortion Conservtives, right-wingers & fundies should learn about birth control .... where do they think this comes from? Turnips? "It is a simple logical truth that, short of mass emigration into space, with rockets taking off at the rate of several million per second, uncontrolled birth-rates are bound to lead to horribly increased death-rates. It is hard to believe that this simple truth is not understood by those leaders who forbid their followers to use effective contraceptive methods. They express a preference for 'natural' methods of population limitation, and a natural method is exactly what they are going to get. It is called starvation." Richard Dawkins --The Selfish Gene -- Cliff |
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"Gunner" wrote in message
... On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:42:11 GMT, yourname wrote: Looks like the Abortion Holocaust is nearly keeping up with the Germans during their best years... Number of Abortions Performed in the United States (AGI) (CDC) 1973 744,600 615,831 1974 898,600 763,476 1975 1,034,200 854,853 1976 1,179,300 988,267 1977 1,316,700 1,079,430 1978 1,409,600 1,157,776 1979 1,497,700 1,251,921 1980 1,553,900 1,297,606 1981 1,577,300 1,300,760 1982 1,573,900 1,303,980 1983 1,575,000 1,268,987 1984 1,577,200 1,333,521 1985 1,588,600 1,328,570 1986 1,574,000 1,328,112 1987 1,559,100 1,353,671 1988 1,590,800 1,371,285 1989 1,566,900 1,396,658 1990 1,608,600 1,429,577 1991 1,556,500 1,388,937 1992 1,528,900 1.359,145 1993 1,500,000 1,330,414 1994 1,431,000 1,267,415 1995 1,363,690 1,210,883 1996 1,365,730 1,221,585 1997 1,365,730 (NRLC estimate) 1998 1,365,730 (NRLC estimate.) 1999 1,365,730 (CIRTL estimate.) 40 MILLION ABORTIONS SINCE 1973 4,000 each day I know it goes against a good **** stir and does not support the moral outrage of the Reactionary Right or the christian fundamentalists that have hijacked the mantle of conservatism, but with the bare minimal of effort (first google hit in [abortion rates])one can see that abortion rates are going down: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0764203.html Never let mere facts get in the way of a good rant. Should abortion be discouraged? Yes, of course it should, but to ban it would be to impose a very narrow interpretation of just one religion on the whole population. Kind of seems like "Establishing" to me. Jeff |
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:53:53 GMT, "Jeff Lowe"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:42:11 GMT, yourname wrote: Looks like the Abortion Holocaust is nearly keeping up with the Germans during their best years... Number of Abortions Performed in the United States (AGI) (CDC) 1973 744,600 615,831 1974 898,600 763,476 1975 1,034,200 854,853 1976 1,179,300 988,267 1977 1,316,700 1,079,430 1978 1,409,600 1,157,776 1979 1,497,700 1,251,921 1980 1,553,900 1,297,606 1981 1,577,300 1,300,760 1982 1,573,900 1,303,980 1983 1,575,000 1,268,987 1984 1,577,200 1,333,521 1985 1,588,600 1,328,570 1986 1,574,000 1,328,112 1987 1,559,100 1,353,671 1988 1,590,800 1,371,285 1989 1,566,900 1,396,658 1990 1,608,600 1,429,577 1991 1,556,500 1,388,937 1992 1,528,900 1.359,145 1993 1,500,000 1,330,414 1994 1,431,000 1,267,415 1995 1,363,690 1,210,883 1996 1,365,730 1,221,585 1997 1,365,730 (NRLC estimate) 1998 1,365,730 (NRLC estimate.) 1999 1,365,730 (CIRTL estimate.) 40 MILLION ABORTIONS SINCE 1973 4,000 each day I know it goes against a good **** stir and does not support the moral outrage of the Reactionary Right or the christian fundamentalists that have hijacked the mantle of conservatism, but with the bare minimal of effort (first google hit in [abortion rates])one can see that abortion rates are going down: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0764203.html Never let mere facts get in the way of a good rant. Should abortion be discouraged? Yes, of course it should, but to ban it would be to impose a very narrow interpretation of just one religion on the whole population. Kind of seems like "Establishing" to me. Jeff Don't you have a Mind that is capable of operating outside established ideological dogma? Can't you make an ethical / moral decision without consulting a bible? This is the kind of mentality that scares the crap out of me. People incapable of independent thinking. Oh you can get from point A to point B if you follow somebody else's roadmap. But how about trying to be a man, and get there on your -own-. Lg |
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:53:53 GMT, "Jeff Lowe"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:42:11 GMT, yourname wrote: Looks like the Abortion Holocaust is nearly keeping up with the Germans during their best years... Number of Abortions Performed in the United States (AGI) (CDC) 1973 744,600 615,831 1974 898,600 763,476 1975 1,034,200 854,853 1976 1,179,300 988,267 1977 1,316,700 1,079,430 1978 1,409,600 1,157,776 1979 1,497,700 1,251,921 1980 1,553,900 1,297,606 1981 1,577,300 1,300,760 1982 1,573,900 1,303,980 1983 1,575,000 1,268,987 1984 1,577,200 1,333,521 1985 1,588,600 1,328,570 1986 1,574,000 1,328,112 1987 1,559,100 1,353,671 1988 1,590,800 1,371,285 1989 1,566,900 1,396,658 1990 1,608,600 1,429,577 1991 1,556,500 1,388,937 1992 1,528,900 1.359,145 1993 1,500,000 1,330,414 1994 1,431,000 1,267,415 1995 1,363,690 1,210,883 1996 1,365,730 1,221,585 1997 1,365,730 (NRLC estimate) 1998 1,365,730 (NRLC estimate.) 1999 1,365,730 (CIRTL estimate.) 40 MILLION ABORTIONS SINCE 1973 4,000 each day I know it goes against a good **** stir and does not support the moral outrage of the Reactionary Right or the christian fundamentalists that have hijacked the mantle of conservatism, but with the bare minimal of effort (first google hit in [abortion rates])one can see that abortion rates are going down: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0764203.html Never let mere facts get in the way of a good rant. G so the carnage is getting infinitesimally smaller? Great! Btw...Im not a fundie..Im Buddhist. But da facts is da facts. Should abortion be discouraged? Yes, of course it should, but to ban it would be to impose a very narrow interpretation of just one religion on the whole population. Kind of seems like "Establishing" to me. Jeff Did you see anyone on this thread talking about banning all abortions? If so, please point it out. Gunner, Pro Choice, just realistic about the Right of Privacy that allows a mother to murder her child.. That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell |
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In article , Gunner says...
Did you see anyone on this thread talking about banning all abortions? If so, please point it out. I can understand the man's confusion. Given that you react strongly in the fashion that you do, you could easily be mistaken for an advocate of a total ban. It's not so much *what* you say, but what you *don't* say - you don't decry that clinic bombings or the doctor shootings. Privacy rights cut both ways, I don't want the goverment interfering with my wife or kid's lives any more than than I can possibly stave off. Err, that goes for me too. Keep 'em far away. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Strabo wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:36:54 +0100, Guido wrote: George Willer wrote: It implies no such thing! Only a slug receiving largesse from some other citizen would consider the transfer from some other citizen by force to be promoting the "general welfare". "All property, indeed, except the savage's temporary cabin, his bow, his matchcoat and other little Acquisitions absolutely necessary for his Subsistence, seems to me to be the creature of public Convention. Hence, the public has the rights of regulating Descents, and all other Conveyances of Property, and even of limiting the quantity and uses of it. All the property that is necessary to a man is his natural Right, which none may justly deprive him of, but all Property superfluous to such Purposes is the property of the Public who, by their Laws have created it and who may, by other Laws dispose of it." Benjamin Franklin Stealing from one to give to another has never been, nor should it ever be legal. Liberals!... geeze! "... legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property... Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there are in any country uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right." Thomas Jefferson (in a letter to James Madison), 1785 These quotes refer to real property, not cash or possessions. The concern was the accumulation of large amounts of land and the undue influence of landowners on government and society. This was historically a significant problem. Not so. Take the first sentence from Franklin, he is talking about all property not just real property (land). The entire passage talks of "all property" which is hardly surprising as Franklin was quite keen on taxation (see extended passage): "The Remissness of our People in Paying Taxes is highly blameable; the Unwillingness to pay them is still more so. I see, in some Resolutions of Town Meetings, a Remonstrance against giving Congress a Power to take, as they call it, the People's Money out of their Pockets, tho' only to pay the Interest and Principal of Debts duly contracted. They seem to mistake the Point. Money, justly due from the People, is their Creditors' Money, and no longer the Money of the People, who, if they withold it, should be compell'd to pay by some Law." http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/found...v1ch16s12.html When talking about the rich having a greater voice in government than the poor he was even clearer: "Private Property therefore is a Creature of Society, and is subject to the Calls of that Society, whenever its Necessities shall require it, even to its last Farthing; its Contributions therefore to the public Exigencies are not to be considered as conferring a Benefit on the Publick, entitling the Contributors to the Distinctions of Honour and Power, but as the Return of an Obligation previously received, or the Payment of a just Debt." http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/found...v1ch12s25.html No discussion of real property there. |
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On 29 Jun 2004 13:25:57 -0700, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... Did you see anyone on this thread talking about banning all abortions? If so, please point it out. I can understand the man's confusion. Given that you react strongly in the fashion that you do, you could easily be mistaken for an advocate of a total ban. It's not so much *what* you say, but what you *don't* say - you don't decry that clinic bombings or the doctor shootings. Privacy rights cut both ways, I don't want the goverment interfering with my wife or kid's lives any more than than I can possibly stave off. Err, that goes for me too. Keep 'em far away. Jim Of course Jim, and I feel that the Right to Privacy should also allow you to murder any of your children that happens to become inconvenient up to the age of majority. Got a 12 yr old that ****es you off? Wack em and stack em. Cant potty train that 3 yr old? Stick em face first in the toilet for 5 minutes and then put em in the trash. (if you have semi weekly garbage pick up, wrap em well first so you don't **** off the neighbors with the stink). Or use the trash compactor. You may have to dismember the 12 yr old though. Id suggest a chain saw or at the least, an electric carving knife with a good sharp hatchet for the leg and arm joints. Shrug..whatever floats your boat. And no one should interfere when they hear the childs screams. After all..it is YOUR right to privacy. Gunner That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell |
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In article , Gunner says...
Of course Jim, and I feel that the Right to Privacy should also allow you to murder any of your children that happens to become inconvenient up to the age of majority. Got a 12 yr old that ****es you off? Wack em and stack em. Cant potty train that 3 yr old? Stick em face first in the toilet for 5 minutes and then put em in the trash. (if you have semi weekly garbage pick up, wrap em well first so you don't **** off the neighbors with the stink). Or use the trash compactor. You may have to dismember the 12 yr old though. Id suggest a chain saw or at the least, an electric carving knife with a good sharp hatchet for the leg and arm joints. Cranky cranky. Need I point out that folks who abuse kids don't come from any particular political party or socioeconomic stratum? Your anti-abortion bible-thumpers are just as likely to twist the arm off their kid as is the Ms-reading crowd. Spare the rod and all that stuff.... I don't thing abortion as a method of birth control is much good at all. But then I'm personally in favor of the other, better kinds of birth control - and think it's a shame that anti-abortionists tend to also oppose the thing that would make their crusade smaller and easier - birth control. (which is not to say that you share that view, I understand). It just seems unusually idiotic to me to take those two competing views and jam them up against each other. As for the 'up to the age of majority' wisecrack, all I can say is that I have effectively armed the little dear so she can defend herself quite well.... Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On 29 Jun 2004 15:49:52 -0700, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... Of course Jim, and I feel that the Right to Privacy should also allow you to murder any of your children that happens to become inconvenient Cranky cranky. Need I point out that folks who abuse kids don't come from any particular political party or socioeconomic stratum? Your anti-abortion bible-thumpers are just as likely to twist the arm off their kid as is the Ms-reading crowd. Spare the rod and all that stuff.... I don't thing abortion as a method of birth control is much good at all. But then I'm personally in favor of the other, better kinds of birth control - and think it's a shame that anti-abortionists tend to also oppose the thing that would make their crusade smaller and easier - birth control. (which is not to say that you share that view, I understand). It just seems unusually idiotic to me to take those two competing views and jam them up against each other. As for the 'up to the age of majority' wisecrack, all I can say is that I have effectively armed the little dear so she can defend herself quite well.... Jim As usual, Gunnervision is so busy with its drama queen editorials, that it overlooks news like this http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in623159.shtml Much of the debate would be moot if GW would quit blocking one of the most obvious solutions. Wayne |
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On 29 Jun 2004 15:49:52 -0700, jim rozen
wrote: In article , Gunner says... Of course Jim, and I feel that the Right to Privacy should also allow you to murder any of your children that happens to become inconvenient up to the age of majority. Got a 12 yr old that ****es you off? Wack em and stack em. Cant potty train that 3 yr old? Stick em face first in the toilet for 5 minutes and then put em in the trash. (if you have semi weekly garbage pick up, wrap em well first so you don't **** off the neighbors with the stink). Or use the trash compactor. You may have to dismember the 12 yr old though. Id suggest a chain saw or at the least, an electric carving knife with a good sharp hatchet for the leg and arm joints. Cranky cranky. Need I point out that folks who abuse kids don't come from any particular political party or socioeconomic stratum? Why, was that in question? Your anti-abortion bible-thumpers are just as likely to twist the arm off their kid as is the Ms-reading crowd. Spare the rod and all that stuff.... Not mine. Im Buddhist, remember? I don't thing abortion as a method of birth control is much good at all. But then I'm personally in favor of the other, better kinds of birth control - and think it's a shame that anti-abortionists tend to also oppose the thing that would make their crusade smaller and easier - birth control. (which is not to say that you share that view, I understand). It just seems unusually idiotic to me to take those two competing views and jam them up against each other. Most of the fundies want abstinence taught as the primary means of birth control. Shrug..that dont work very well either. But thats not the root of this thread..and my bit above was not being cranky cranky..but carrying the thing to the logical extreme. As for the 'up to the age of majority' wisecrack, all I can say is that I have effectively armed the little dear so she can defend herself quite well.... Jim Catch her asleep and put one through her skull when she doesn't do her homework. After all, she is only a tissue mass, she cant vote. Gunner ================================================= = please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================= = "A vote for Kerry is a de facto vote for bin Laden." Strider |
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:57:19 GMT, wmbjk
wrote: On 29 Jun 2004 15:49:52 -0700, jim rozen wrote: In article , Gunner says... Of course Jim, and I feel that the Right to Privacy should also allow you to murder any of your children that happens to become inconvenient Cranky cranky. Need I point out that folks who abuse kids don't come from any particular political party or socioeconomic stratum? Your anti-abortion bible-thumpers are just as likely to twist the arm off their kid as is the Ms-reading crowd. Spare the rod and all that stuff.... I don't thing abortion as a method of birth control is much good at all. But then I'm personally in favor of the other, better kinds of birth control - and think it's a shame that anti-abortionists tend to also oppose the thing that would make their crusade smaller and easier - birth control. (which is not to say that you share that view, I understand). It just seems unusually idiotic to me to take those two competing views and jam them up against each other. As for the 'up to the age of majority' wisecrack, all I can say is that I have effectively armed the little dear so she can defend herself quite well.... Jim As usual, Gunnervision is so busy with its drama queen editorials, that it overlooks news like this Drama or apathy...which is more effective? http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in623159.shtml Much of the debate would be moot if GW would quit blocking one of the most obvious solutions. An abortion drug? Coat hangers are much cheaper. Wayne Gunner "A vote for Kerry is a de facto vote for bin Laden." Strider |
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"Gunner" wrote in message ... Btw...Im not a fundie..Im Buddhist. But da facts is da facts. I'm sure the rest of the Buddhists are thrilled. |
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:00:42 GMT, Gunner
wrote: Drama or apathy...which is more effective? Effective? At what, wearing out keyboards? All I see is a guy whose hobby includes actively promoting the authors of stupid policies such as blocking the easy availability of proven contraception, or the reimportation of prescription drugs. An abortion drug? Coat hangers are much cheaper. As I said, drama queen. Add incoherent. Wayne |
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:57:40 GMT, Gunner
wrote: Catch her asleep and put one through her skull when she doesn't do her homework. After all, she is only a tissue mass, she cant vote. Print this out and take it to your doctor - ****************** Please adjust Gunner's meds, he's wackier than usual. ****************** Wayne |
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:03:50 GMT, wmbjk
wrote: On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:57:40 GMT, Gunner wrote: Catch her asleep and put one through her skull when she doesn't do her homework. After all, she is only a tissue mass, she cant vote. Print this out and take it to your doctor - ****************** Please adjust Gunner's meds, he's wackier than usual. ****************** Wayne Chuckle...just stirring Jims (and yours) ****. Takeing your arguments to their logical conclusions is always fun and good for knee jerk backpeddling from you guys. Gunner "A vote for Kerry is a de facto vote for bin Laden." Strider |
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:42:01 GMT, Gunner
wrote: On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:03:50 GMT, wmbjk wrote: On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:57:40 GMT, Gunner wrote: Catch her asleep and put one through her skull when she doesn't do her homework. After all, she is only a tissue mass, she cant vote. Print this out and take it to your doctor - ****************** Please adjust Gunner's meds, he's wackier than usual. ****************** Wayne Chuckle...just stirring Jims (and yours) ****. Takeing your arguments to their logical conclusions is always fun and good for knee jerk backpeddling from you guys. Gunner There isn't any logic or fun in your comments, and you're the only one backpeddling. If you believe that you're demonstrating any wisdom here, I dare you to print it out and show it to your doctor. Unless you want them confiscated, don't forget to remove any sharp objects from your pockets in advance. Wayne |
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In article , Gunner says...
Catch her asleep and put one through her skull when she doesn't do her homework. Yeah, that would work, except for the fact that: a) she goes to bed later than I do now b) she never doesn't do her homework. It's pretty depressing. She smarter than me (deans list in her new HS for the fourth time in a row) and needs less sleep. It doesn't help that ms Mulligan just twisted the royal sh%t out of her right foot in the driveway last week so I've been doing it all around here since then. I'm starting to feel somewhat.... geriatric. Lately. Jim ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at yktvmv (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 19:48:58 GMT, wmbjk
wrote: On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:42:01 GMT, Gunner wrote: On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:03:50 GMT, wmbjk wrote: On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:57:40 GMT, Gunner wrote: Catch her asleep and put one through her skull when she doesn't do her homework. After all, she is only a tissue mass, she cant vote. Print this out and take it to your doctor - ****************** Please adjust Gunner's meds, he's wackier than usual. ****************** Wayne Chuckle...just stirring Jims (and yours) ****. Takeing your arguments to their logical conclusions is always fun and good for knee jerk backpeddling from you guys. Gunner There isn't any logic or fun in your comments, and you're the only one backpeddling. If you believe that you're demonstrating any wisdom here, I dare you to print it out and show it to your doctor. Unless you want them confiscated, don't forget to remove any sharp objects from your pockets in advance. Wayne No logic? Abortion is the killing of an unborn child. Child. If you were to shoot a pregnant woman, killing her and the unborn child in virtually every one of the United States, you would be charged with (2) two counts of murder. You can only murder a human being. Ergo, that unborn tissue mass is a child. However. with the permission of the mother, she may legally let another kill that unborn child during the course of an abortion. So if its legal for the mother to give permission to kill that child, then it must be ok for her to give permission to anyone to do so. If so..there is no special protections attached to that child. A child becomes an adult, no longer under the protection of the parent at the age of majority. (and a voter) So if the child is a human being (and is so if murdered with out the permission of the mother, while still in the womb)..then obviously its quite legal for Jim to blow his daughters head off (with the permission of the mother) as long as he does it prior to the age of majority. Hence my comments about killing the 12 yr old who ****ed you off, etc. Got it? Gunner |
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:02:42 GMT, wmbjk
wrote: On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:00:42 GMT, Gunner wrote: Drama or apathy...which is more effective? Effective? At what, wearing out keyboards? All I see is a guy whose hobby includes actively promoting the authors of stupid policies such as blocking the easy availability of proven contraception, or the reimportation of prescription drugs. All you see is the little mental box you have stuck your head in. Try a toilet. Add a little Draino..and it might even cure that pesky case of dandruff An abortion drug? Coat hangers are much cheaper. As I said, drama queen. Add incoherent. If you were able to make the connection..then it wasnt incoherent. Morning after pills in effect, give the mother an abortion. It causes the ovum to detach from the placental wall. In effect, a planned miscarraige. Dead child. Shrug..whats so hard to think about that? Wayne Gunner |
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:47:10 -0400, "Phillip Vogel"
wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . Btw...Im not a fundie..Im Buddhist. But da facts is da facts. I'm sure the rest of the Buddhists are thrilled. Who cares if they are or not? Gunner |
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In misc.survivalism Gunner wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:47:10 -0400, "Phillip Vogel" wrote: "Gunner" wrote in message .. . Btw...Im not a fundie..Im Buddhist. But da facts is da facts. I'm sure the rest of the Buddhists are thrilled. Who cares if they are or not? The buddhists do. -- ....I'm an air-conditioned gypsy... - The Who |
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