On 17 Jun 2004 16:29:05 -0400, (DoN. Nichols)
vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email


I've just e-mailed them (both addresses), explaining the problem
as perceived.

Thanks, Don.


I've gotten a response from them, and I'll cut-and-paste it from
their response.

================================================== ====================
Don,
We have received e-mail from N F White and have responded but are not
sure we have gotten through.

Huh? My email bounced! I had a bounce, let alone get a reply!


Is that (N F White) you?

It is me. Ahah! I faxed them! Not email. Email would have been
"nfwhite"

TMK I have not had a fax back from them. I'll try again.

Did they say anything about the website?

We have an exclusive distributor for Australia:
"BILLEROY""
195 BAILEY'S LANE
OBERON NSW 27
AUSTRALIA

e-mail Keith Cleton

Ron
================================================== ====================

It sounds as though they could not sell direct to you, if they
have an exclusive distributor there. But hopefully, the mark up for
them is not too bad.

humph! We shall see....maybe. Sounds like a farmer thinking "That's a
good idea", to me.

I know Bailey's (naming coincidence) in the US were happy to sell to
me, exclusive or not. But they just keep saying the chain won't fit,
and I disagree. That's why I wanted to talk to Rapco.


I hope that this helps,

Appreciated.

In article ,
Old Nick wrote:
On 17 Jun 2004 16:29:05 -0400, (DoN. Nichols)
vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

[ ... ]

Don,
We have received e-mail from N F White and have responded but are not
sure we have gotten through.

Huh? My email bounced! I had a bounce, let alone get a reply!

:-)

Sometimes a bounce is a temporary one -- a "we can't deliver
your mail so far, but we'll keep trying" type of thing.


Is that (N F White) you?

It is me. Ahah! I faxed them! Not email. Email would have been
"nfwhite"

O.K.

TMK I have not had a fax back from them. I'll try again.

Did they say anything about the website?

Not a word, by which I assume that they are pretty clueless
about the workings of their web page. IIRC, some other firm took the
credit for the page's design and implementation. And it may be that
still a third party is responsible for the blocks.

We have an exclusive distributor for Australia:
"BILLEROY""
195 BAILEY'S LANE
OBERON NSW 27
AUSTRALIA

e-mail Keith Cleton

Ron
================================================== ====================

It sounds as though they could not sell direct to you, if they
have an exclusive distributor there. But hopefully, the mark up for
them is not too bad.

humph! We shall see....maybe. Sounds like a farmer thinking "That's a
good idea", to me.

:-)

I know Bailey's (naming coincidence) in the US were happy to sell to
me, exclusive or not. But they just keep saying the chain won't fit,
and I disagree. That's why I wanted to talk to Rapco.

O.K. Are the chain pitches sometimes in metric units, and
sometimes in inches, depending on country of origin?


I hope that this helps,

Appreciated.

Let us know what happens.

Good luck,
DoN.

P.S. Is it time to straighten out the spelling of "carbide" in the
"Subject: " header? My spelling checker keeps stumbling over
that one. :-)
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On 17 Jun 2004 21:44:44 -0400, (DoN. Nichols)
vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email



Sometimes a bounce is a temporary one -- a "we can't deliver
your mail so far, but we'll keep trying" type of thing.

I quote from the bounce

"Sorry, I couldn't find any host by that name. (#4.1.2)
I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too
long."

Sounds pretty final to me G

Anyway we sorted what really happened. G

It is me. Ahah! I faxed them! Not email. Email would have been
"nfwhite"

O.K.


Did they say anything about the website?

Not a word, by which I assume that they are pretty clueless
about the workings of their web page. IIRC, some other firm took the
credit for the page's design and implementation. And it may be that
still a third party is responsible for the blocks.


I know Bailey's (naming coincidence) in the US were happy to sell to
me, exclusive or not. But they just keep saying the chain won't fit,
and I disagree. That's why I wanted to talk to Rapco.

O.K. Are the chain pitches sometimes in metric units, and
sometimes in inches, depending on country of origin?

No. I am happy to deal in Imperial...sorry...inches. The only thing is
sometimes it's 3/8" and sometimes .375. Then there is .370...go
figure. 1/200th of an inch! Thsi guy tells me the saw only takes .325"
and .370. But everybody else says 3/8".....then there is low profile,
etc.

Let us know what happens.

Will do.

P.S. Is it time to straighten out the spelling of "carbide" in the
"Subject: " header? My spelling checker keeps stumbling over
that one. :-)

Ok. It will lose the thread, but I take your point. Do you show all
header fields? Or does your SC check the title as well?

In article ,
Old Nick wrote:
On 17 Jun 2004 21:44:44 -0400, (DoN. Nichols)
vaguely proposed a theory

[ ... ]

Sometimes a bounce is a temporary one -- a "we can't deliver
your mail so far, but we'll keep trying" type of thing.

I quote from the bounce

"Sorry, I couldn't find any host by that name. (#4.1.2)
I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too
long."

Sounds pretty final to me G

Yes -- and this clears up that the problem *here* was access to
the DNS (Domain Name Server) records to look up the IP address of the
system. Apparently, the ISP isn't doing that good a job of propagating
the DNS records for that address.

[ ... ]

O.K. Are the chain pitches sometimes in metric units, and
sometimes in inches, depending on country of origin?

No. I am happy to deal in Imperial...sorry...inches. The only thing is
sometimes it's 3/8" and sometimes .375. Then there is .370...go
figure. 1/200th of an inch! Thsi guy tells me the saw only takes .325"
and .370. But everybody else says 3/8".....then there is low profile,
etc.

What I meant was not the actual units of measurement, but
whether there was an actual physical difference in the pitch of the
sprockets on the saws.

AS for the .375 vs .370 -- I think that may be a side-effect of
people accustomed to mm (where 0.01mm is already pretty small) just
rounding the decimal inches to two significant figures too -- but
continuing to display that third zero. :-)

The .325 may be a matter of just not typing in the right figure
somewhere in there, as it makes no real sense either in fractional inch
or in mm (8.25mm doesn't sound like a normal metric size to me.) .3125"
(5/8") is pretty close to 8mm, but this isn't that, either.

It sounds as though the saw chain will work with no problems
other than the human ones. :-)

Let us know what happens.

Will do.

P.S. Is it time to straighten out the spelling of "carbide" in the
"Subject: " header? My spelling checker keeps stumbling over
that one. :-)

Ok. It will lose the thread,

Depends on the newsreader. For those which honor the
"References: " header, it will continue to be part of the same thread.
For those which depend on the "Subject: " header entirely, it will break
the thread. (This is why when someone changes the subject to try to
start a new thread while replying to an existing thread, it only works
for some. To truly divorce the thread, you have to edit out the
"References: " header to no content to eliminate the connection to other
articles.

but I take your point. Do you show all
header fields? Or does your SC check the title as well?

Both -- my newsreader copies everything, including the headers,
into the editor so I can create my response. This means that the
spelling checker sees all kinds of things which it doesn't like,
including the "Message-IDs: " and "References: ", as well as all kinds
of fractions of e-mail addresses and such. It does not limit itself to
checking just my own new text -- it checks everything. I have to resist
correcting other's spelling in the quoted text. :-)

Enjoy,
DoN.
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On 17 Jun 2004 23:46:58 -0400, (DoN. Nichols)
wrote:

In article ,
Old Nick wrote:
On 17 Jun 2004 21:44:44 -0400, (DoN. Nichols)
vaguely proposed a theory

[ ... ]

O.K. Are the chain pitches sometimes in metric units, and
sometimes in inches, depending on country of origin?

No. I am happy to deal in Imperial...sorry...inches. The only thing is
sometimes it's 3/8" and sometimes .375. Then there is .370...go
figure. 1/200th of an inch! Thsi guy tells me the saw only takes .325"
and .370. But everybody else says 3/8".....then there is low profile,
etc.

What I meant was not the actual units of measurement, but
whether there was an actual physical difference in the pitch of the
sprockets on the saws.

AS for the .375 vs .370 -- I think that may be a side-effect of
people accustomed to mm (where 0.01mm is already pretty small) just
rounding the decimal inches to two significant figures too -- but
continuing to display that third zero. :-)

The .325 may be a matter of just not typing in the right figure
somewhere in there, as it makes no real sense either in fractional inch
or in mm (8.25mm doesn't sound like a normal metric size to me.) .3125"
(5/8") is pretty close to 8mm, but this isn't that, either.

Standard chain pitches in the smaller sizes are.
3/8"
3/8" Low Profile
..325" pitch (I've not got any idea where they came up with this size
but it is standard).
1/4" pitch.

There are larger sizes as well but those are reserved for the large
saws. Most saws that home owners have either take a 3/8" low profile
or a .325 pitch.

Next there's the gauge measurement. This is the thickness of the
drive links. Most smaller saws use a 0.050" gauge. Some saws are set
up for 0.058" gauge (Stihl comes to mind here). There is another gauge
but I don't remember it off the top of my head since I've never seen
it in this part of the country.


Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook

Standard chain pitches in the smaller sizes are.
3/8"
3/8" Low Profile
.325" pitch (I've not got any idea where they came up with this size
but it is standard).
1/4" pitch.

Isn't there also a pitch that alternates drive links of one length
(I think .375) with sideplates of another (either .325 or .25),
that's also used on smaller saws?

--Glenn Lyford

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:18:04 GMT, Glenn Lyford
vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

Standard chain pitches in the smaller sizes are.
3/8"
3/8" Low Profile
.325" pitch (I've not got any idea where they came up with this size
but it is standard).
1/4" pitch.

Isn't there also a pitch that alternates drive links of one length
(I think .375) with sideplates of another (either .325 or .25),
that's also used on smaller saws?

Ooooohhhhhh! Noooooooo! Arrgh!

Actually all saw chain has irregular drive link pin spacing. You
actually measure the pitch by measuring the ditance across _3_ pins
C/C, the dividing by 2. See? Easy and sensible! G

Please tell me that's what you mean!

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:18:04 GMT, Glenn Lyford
wrote:

Standard chain pitches in the smaller sizes are.
3/8"
3/8" Low Profile
.325" pitch (I've not got any idea where they came up with this size
but it is standard).
1/4" pitch.

Isn't there also a pitch that alternates drive links of one length
(I think .375) with sideplates of another (either .325 or .25),
that's also used on smaller saws?


Never heard of it but that doesn't mean that somebody didn't try it.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:01:47 -0500, Wayne Cook
vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

Standard chain pitches in the smaller sizes are.
3/8"
3/8" Low Profile
.325" pitch (I've not got any idea where they came up with this size
but it is standard).
1/4" pitch.

There are larger sizes as well but those are reserved for the large
saws. Most saws that home owners have either take a 3/8" low profile
or a .325 pitch.

Next there's the gauge measurement. This is the thickness of the
drive links. Most smaller saws use a 0.050" gauge. Some saws are set
up for 0.058" gauge (Stihl comes to mind here). There is another gauge
but I don't remember it off the top of my head since I've never seen
it in this part of the country.

..063. Sorry. I have the right to be a smartarse about this. I have
spent enough bloody time researching it! G

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 07:01:16 +0800, Old Nick
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:01:47 -0500, Wayne Cook
vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

Standard chain pitches in the smaller sizes are.
3/8"
3/8" Low Profile
.325" pitch (I've not got any idea where they came up with this size
but it is standard).
1/4" pitch.

There are larger sizes as well but those are reserved for the large
saws. Most saws that home owners have either take a 3/8" low profile
or a .325 pitch.

Next there's the gauge measurement. This is the thickness of the
drive links. Most smaller saws use a 0.050" gauge. Some saws are set
up for 0.058" gauge (Stihl comes to mind here). There is another gauge
but I don't remember it off the top of my head since I've never seen
it in this part of the country.

.063. Sorry. I have the right to be a smartarse about this. I have
spent enough bloody time researching it! G

I wanted to way that but it's been so long since I've read it that I
wasn't sure.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook

On 17 Jun 2004 23:46:58 -0400, (DoN. Nichols)
vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

"Sorry, I couldn't find any host by that name. (#4.1.2)
I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too
long."

Sounds pretty final to me G

Yes -- and this clears up that the problem *here* was access to
the DNS (Domain Name Server) records to look up the IP address of the
system. Apparently, the ISP isn't doing that good a job of propagating
the DNS records for that address.

Didi you ever see that Simpson's episode when the dog (Santa's littel
Helper) could not understand what people were saying, and all he could
hear was funny noise?......G Which is to say, sorry you lost me. G
I can see what you mean, but have no idea of how it would happen or
why it should do what it's doing.

Rapco seema weird mob. They get mentioned _everywhere_ as the _THE_
carbide chain maker in the US. But getting people to sell it is
amazing, and they use some penny-ante dealer in Oz, who has no
website, and ...BAH!.

O.K. Are the chain pitches sometimes in metric units, and
sometimes in inches, depending on country of origin?

No. I am happy to deal in Imperial...sorry...inches. The only thing is
sometimes it's 3/8" and sometimes .375. Then there is .370...go
figure. 1/200th of an inch! Thsi guy tells me the saw only takes .325"
and .370. But everybody else says 3/8".....then there is low profile,
etc.

What I meant was not the actual units of measurement, but
whether there was an actual physical difference in the pitch of the
sprockets on the saws.

Yes.


AS for the .375 vs .370 -- I think that may be a side-effect of
people accustomed to mm (where 0.01mm is already pretty small) just
rounding the decimal inches to two significant figures too -- but
continuing to display that third zero. :-)

I see what you mean.

But .370 means nothing in mm. It is a definite pitch all its own. The
saw tech I am trying to get sense out of at Baileys says .370 is
actually 3/8" low profile (which may or may not be true), and Rapco
don't make it. Another Rapco dealer lists 3/8" low profile but won't
sell to me.


The .325 may be a matter of just not typing in the right figure
somewhere in there, as it makes no real sense either in fractional inch
or in mm (8.25mm doesn't sound like a normal metric size to me.)

Nope! It's a pitch alrighty. Quite well known. I agree it makes no
sense, even up to some fraction of 128! G

.3125"
(5/8") is pretty close to 8mm, but this isn't that, either.

5/16" ?


It sounds as though the saw chain will work with no problems
other than the human ones. :-)

hmmmm. G


Let us know what happens.

Will do.

P.S. Is it time to straighten out the spelling of "carbide" in the
"Subject: " header? My spelling checker keeps stumbling over
that one. :-)

Ok. It will lose the thread,

Depends on the newsreader. For those which honor the
"References: " header, it will continue to be part of the same thread.

Yeah, that just happened to me. Funny, I have seen threads lost
_because_ there was a "" in front of the header. Oh well, it's
still there.
Enjoy,

WRT saw chain, I am getting to a point where I can't! G

DoN.

In article ,
Old Nick wrote:
On 17 Jun 2004 23:46:58 -0400, (DoN. Nichols)
vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

"Sorry, I couldn't find any host by that name. (#4.1.2)
I'm not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too
long."

Sounds pretty final to me G

Yes -- and this clears up that the problem *here* was access to
the DNS (Domain Name Server) records to look up the IP address of the
system. Apparently, the ISP isn't doing that good a job of propagating
the DNS records for that address.

Didi you ever see that Simpson's episode when the dog (Santa's littel
Helper) could not understand what people were saying, and all he could
hear was funny noise?......G

Nope! I'm one of those who don't watch the Simpsons. But the
principle is clear.

Which is to say, sorry you lost me. G
I can see what you mean, but have no idea of how it would happen or
why it should do what it's doing.

O.K. Let's see ...

1) All systems on the internet are reachable by their IP address.
(one of my systems happens to have the IP address of
204.91.85.10).

2) These numbers mean nothing to *people* -- just to computers, so
each is assigned a name, a combination of the computer's name
(ceilidh is one of mine), and the domain name (.d-and-d.com),
which is registered from one of the registrars.

3) When you want to contact a system, you type in the system's full
name (e.g. ceilidh.d-and-d.com), and your computer asks its DNS
server (Domain Name Server). That server likely doesn't know
anything except very nearby systems, but it looks at it and says
".com" -- O.K. I ask this upstream server. It looks at it, and
if it knows d-and-d.com, it knows where to ask for the final
detail -- the address of ceilidh. If not, it passes the request
on upstream, and eventually finds some name server which knows
"d-and-d.com", and asks it about ceilidh.d-and-d.com.

4) That system finally says -- "Oh yes -- ceilidh.d-and-d.com is
really "204.91.85.10".

5) Finally, armed with this information, the actual connection to
the system can be performed.

Note that the same IP address can have a large number of names,
aliases. This is the case when an ISP offers web services for a large
number of customers with their own domain names and system names. This
sometimes results in failures for DNS lookups, as some systems (I think)
have a limit to how many names will be handled for a single IP address.

For e-mail, what the system should do is ask for the MX record
(mail exchanger) -- the IP address of the system which accepts e-mail
for that name. This is usually a mail server run by the ISP.

What happens sometimes is that the communication between the
various DNS servers is flakey, or the local mail server just asks for
the IP of the system, not the MX record, and can't find an address to
which to deliver the e-mail. This is what happened in your case. If I
still had the e-mail address, I would try a lookup locally.

Rapco seema weird mob. They get mentioned _everywhere_ as the _THE_
carbide chain maker in the US. But getting people to sell it is
amazing, and they use some penny-ante dealer in Oz, who has no
website, and ...BAH!.

Ouch!

[ ... ]

AS for the .375 vs .370 -- I think that may be a side-effect of
people accustomed to mm (where 0.01mm is already pretty small) just
rounding the decimal inches to two significant figures too -- but
continuing to display that third zero. :-)

I see what you mean.

But .370 means nothing in mm. It is a definite pitch all its own.

Agreed -- but it might result from someone accustomed to working
in mm deciding that there was no need for that third figure after the
decimal place. After all, in metric work, that third figure is for
really serious precision, while in decimal inches, it is common
precision.

The
saw tech I am trying to get sense out of at Baileys says .370 is
actually 3/8" low profile (which may or may not be true), and Rapco
don't make it. Another Rapco dealer lists 3/8" low profile but won't
sell to me.

Ouch! Why won't he sell it to you? Does he insist that it will
not fit your saw?


The .325 may be a matter of just not typing in the right figure
somewhere in there, as it makes no real sense either in fractional inch
or in mm (8.25mm doesn't sound like a normal metric size to me.)

Nope! It's a pitch alrighty. Quite well known. I agree it makes no
sense, even up to some fraction of 128! G

Agreed. But the confirmation from Wayne Cook assures me that it
is not a typo.

.3125"
(5/8") is pretty close to 8mm, but this isn't that, either.

5/16" ?

Yes -- sorry about that. I really should not type these things
this late at night. :_)

[ ... ]

P.S. Is it time to straighten out the spelling of "carbide" in the
"Subject: " header? My spelling checker keeps stumbling over
that one. :-)

Ok. It will lose the thread,

Depends on the newsreader. For those which honor the
"References: " header, it will continue to be part of the same thread.

Yeah, that just happened to me. Funny, I have seen threads lost
_because_ there was a "" in front of the header.

Those would be with rather stupid newsreaders which base it all
on the "Subject: " header. Those which monitor the "References: "header
will be fine -- except when one of the more stupid newsreaders forgets
to update it, or leaves it off entirely. :-)

Oh well, it's
still there.
Enjoy,

WRT saw chain, I am getting to a point where I can't! G

I hope that it works out for you. I presume that you've tried
asking for "A chain to fit a Quisling brand model 3325XZ" or whatever as
appropriate?

Good Luck,
DoN.
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On 19 Jun 2004 00:40:25 -0400, (DoN. Nichols)
vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email


Didi you ever see that Simpson's episode when the dog (Santa's littel
Helper) could not understand what people were saying, and all he could
hear was funny noise?......G

Nope! I'm one of those who don't watch the Simpsons. But the
principle is clear.

Which is to say, sorry you lost me. G
I can see what you mean, but have no idea of how it would happen or
why it should do what it's doing.

O.K. Let's see ...

1) All systems on the internet are reachable by their IP address.
(one of my systems happens to have the IP address of
204.91.85.10).

snip

And all the dog had to do was "Sit!" G Thanks for that.

The
saw tech I am trying to get sense out of at Baileys says .370 is
actually 3/8" low profile (which may or may not be true), and Rapco
don't make it. Another Rapco dealer lists 3/8" low profile but won't
sell to me.

Ouch! Why won't he sell it to you? Does he insist that it will
not fit your saw?

No. That's the irony. The ones who say they _have_ chain won't sell
overseas. The one who won;t agreeehtere _is_ such a chain _would_ sell
it to me if he agreed it existed! G

I hope that it works out for you. I presume that you've tried
asking for "A chain to fit a Quisling brand model 3325XZ" or whatever as
appropriate?

It feels more like the Danish "Ugly Duckling" at the moment! G

But yes I started _out_ this way. Since then I have learnt a lot, and
now quote chapter and verse every time I post an email.

Hah! I just had a guy come back from a chainsaw shop "What's TCT?"
eeerrrrrrrgh!