Does anybody have any opinions/stories of 4-6 HP 1 cylinder diesel
engines, like the Yanmar L70 or anything from Lombardini?

Compared to gas engines, they look like they might cost 2-3 times more,
and weight at least twice as much.

On Thu, 18 May 2006 00:45:36 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader wrote:
Does anybody have any opinions/stories of 4-6 HP 1 cylinder diesel
engines, like the Yanmar L70 or anything from Lombardini?

Yeah, small diesels from Lombardini SUCK. I had one on a generator,
what a ****ing POS. Impossible to start in cold weather and
prohibitively loud. I am so happy to have gotten rid of that turd of a
generator.

Compared to gas engines, they look like they might cost 2-3 times
more, and weight at least twice as much.


I would not take that crap for free.

i

Ignoramus10275 wrote:

On Thu, 18 May 2006 00:45:36 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader wrote:
Does anybody have any opinions/stories of 4-6 HP 1 cylinder diesel
engines, like the Yanmar L70 or anything from Lombardini?

Yeah, small diesels from Lombardini SUCK. I had one on a generator,
what a ****ing POS. Impossible to start in cold weather and
prohibitively loud. I am so happy to have gotten rid of that turd of a
generator.

Compared to gas engines, they look like they might cost 2-3 times
more, and weight at least twice as much.

I would not take that crap for free.

i

Yeah? Finally you consider yourself qualified to offer an opinion?
Noting your history of being a cheapskate in most matters, your
opinion is more than likely as a result of some cheap purchase of
something requiring overhaul.

Jim

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On Thu, 18 May 2006 13:22:13 +1200, Jim wrote:
Ignoramus10275 wrote:

Yeah, small diesels from Lombardini SUCK. I had one on a generator,
what a ****ing POS. Impossible to start in cold weather and
prohibitively loud. I am so happy to have gotten rid of that turd of a
generator.

Yeah? Finally you consider yourself qualified to offer an opinion?

What the fark is that supposed to mean, "jim"?

Noting your history of being a cheapskate in most matters, your
opinion is more than likely as a result of some cheap purchase of
something requiring overhaul.

Overgeneralize much? All you semi-anonymous types do, of course.

Dave "fully expecting the irony to go over his head, I am" Hinz

Dave Hinz wrote:

On Thu, 18 May 2006 13:22:13 +1200, Jim wrote:
Ignoramus10275 wrote:

Yeah, small diesels from Lombardini SUCK. I had one on a generator,
what a ****ing POS. Impossible to start in cold weather and
prohibitively loud. I am so happy to have gotten rid of that turd of a
generator.

Yeah? Finally you consider yourself qualified to offer an opinion?

What the fark is that supposed to mean, "jim"?

Noting your history of being a cheapskate in most matters, your
opinion is more than likely as a result of some cheap purchase of
something requiring overhaul.

Overgeneralize much? All you semi-anonymous types do, of course.

Dave "fully expecting the irony to go over his head, I am" Hinz

Dave "I can't help being a over-opinionated ****wit" Hinz once
again pokes his petty little oar in, ignoring the fact that the
poster "Ignoramus10275" has a proven history that backs the use
of his soubriquet. To disparage all and sundry single cylinder
diesels because of his singular experience is akin to opinions
posted by Dave "I've got a **** encased liver" Hinz.

Jim

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In article , Jim wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:

On Thu, 18 May 2006 13:22:13 +1200, Jim wrote:
Ignoramus10275 wrote:

Yeah, small diesels from Lombardini SUCK. I had one on a generator,
what a ****ing POS. Impossible to start in cold weather and
prohibitively loud. I am so happy to have gotten rid of that turd of a
generator.

Yeah? Finally you consider yourself qualified to offer an opinion?

What the fark is that supposed to mean, "jim"?

Noting your history of being a cheapskate in most matters, your
opinion is more than likely as a result of some cheap purchase of
something requiring overhaul.

Overgeneralize much? All you semi-anonymous types do, of course.

Dave "fully expecting the irony to go over his head, I am" Hinz

Dave "I can't help being a over-opinionated ****wit" Hinz once
again pokes his petty little oar in, ignoring the fact that the
poster "Ignoramus10275" has a proven history that backs the use
of his soubriquet. To disparage all and sundry single cylinder
diesels because of his singular experience is akin to opinions
posted by Dave "I've got a **** encased liver" Hinz.

Jim

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This thread could use a round of beers.

--
B.B. --I am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net

On Thu, 18 May 2006 15:04:23 +1200, Jim wrote:

snip load of crap
Jim

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Who is this guy? Never mind... plonk.

On Thu, 18 May 2006 15:04:23 +1200, Jim wrote:
Dave Hinz wrote:

Yeah? Finally you consider yourself qualified to offer an opinion?

What the fark is that supposed to mean, "jim"?

Noting your history of being a cheapskate in most matters, your
opinion is more than likely as a result of some cheap purchase of
something requiring overhaul.

Overgeneralize much? All you semi-anonymous types do, of course.

Dave "I can't help being a over-opinionated ****wit" Hinz once
again pokes his petty little oar in, ignoring the fact that the
poster "Ignoramus10275" has a proven history that backs the use
of his soubriquet. To disparage all and sundry single cylinder
diesels because of his singular experience is akin to opinions
posted by Dave "I've got a **** encased liver" Hinz.

Yawn. Seemed to me he was talking about a specific one. Maybe you
could clean the froth off your monitor and reread his post.

On Thu, 18 May 2006 13:22:13 +1200, Jim wrote:

Ignoramus10275 wrote:

On Thu, 18 May 2006 00:45:36 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader wrote:
Does anybody have any opinions/stories of 4-6 HP 1 cylinder diesel
engines, like the Yanmar L70 or anything from Lombardini?

Yeah, small diesels from Lombardini SUCK. I had one on a generator,
what a ****ing POS. Impossible to start in cold weather and
prohibitively loud. I am so happy to have gotten rid of that turd of a
generator.

Compared to gas engines, they look like they might cost 2-3 times
more, and weight at least twice as much.

I would not take that crap for free.

i

Yeah? Finally you consider yourself qualified to offer an opinion?
Noting your history of being a cheapskate in most matters, your
opinion is more than likely as a result of some cheap purchase of
something requiring overhaul.

Jim

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Hey, Jim, cut that out. Picking on Ig is my job!

In article , Ignoramus10275
wrote:

On Thu, 18 May 2006 00:45:36 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:
Does anybody have any opinions/stories of 4-6 HP 1 cylinder diesel
engines, like the Yanmar L70 or anything from Lombardini?

Yeah, small diesels from Lombardini SUCK. I had one on a generator,
what a ****ing POS. Impossible to start in cold weather and
prohibitively loud. I am so happy to have gotten rid of that turd of a
generator.

Compared to gas engines, they look like they might cost 2-3 times
more, and weight at least twice as much.


I would not take that crap for free.

Well, the one you had, maybe. But I've got a Yanmar 3HP air cooled
diesel with 2:1 F-N-R marine g/box on it and it's a gem. Don't write
off all small diesel engines simply because you had ONE bad one.

PDW

On Thu, 18 May 2006 05:40:45 +0100, Peter Wiley wrote:
In article , Ignoramus10275
wrote:

On Thu, 18 May 2006 00:45:36 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:
Does anybody have any opinions/stories of 4-6 HP 1 cylinder diesel
engines, like the Yanmar L70 or anything from Lombardini?

Yeah, small diesels from Lombardini SUCK. I had one on a generator,
what a ****ing POS. Impossible to start in cold weather and
prohibitively loud. I am so happy to have gotten rid of that turd of a
generator.

Compared to gas engines, they look like they might cost 2-3 times
more, and weight at least twice as much.


I would not take that crap for free.

Well, the one you had, maybe. But I've got a Yanmar 3HP air cooled
diesel with 2:1 F-N-R marine g/box on it and it's a gem. Don't write
off all small diesel engines simply because you had ONE bad one.

I do not know much about Yanmars, I was referring to Lombardini.

i

On Thu, 18 May 2006 05:40:45 +0100, Peter Wiley wrote:
In article , Ignoramus10275
wrote:

Yeah, small diesels from Lombardini SUCK. I had one on a generator,
what a ****ing POS. Impossible to start in cold weather and
prohibitively loud. I am so happy to have gotten rid of that turd of a
generator.

Well, the one you had, maybe. But I've got a Yanmar 3HP air cooled
diesel with 2:1 F-N-R marine g/box on it and it's a gem. Don't write
off all small diesel engines simply because you had ONE bad one.

He isn't. He says, clearly, right up there about 10 lines, that he's
talking about a specific manufacturer, he's not writing off "all small
diesel engines".

On 18 May 2006 14:06:28 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:
On Thu, 18 May 2006 05:40:45 +0100, Peter Wiley wrote:
In article , Ignoramus10275
wrote:

Yeah, small diesels from Lombardini SUCK. I had one on a generator,
what a ****ing POS. Impossible to start in cold weather and
prohibitively loud. I am so happy to have gotten rid of that turd of a
generator.

Well, the one you had, maybe. But I've got a Yanmar 3HP air cooled
diesel with 2:1 F-N-R marine g/box on it and it's a gem. Don't write
off all small diesel engines simply because you had ONE bad one.

He isn't. He says, clearly, right up there about 10 lines, that he's
talking about a specific manufacturer, he's not writing off "all small
diesel engines".


Thank you Dave.

i

"Cydrome Leader" wrote in message
...
Does anybody have any opinions/stories of 4-6 HP 1 cylinder diesel
engines, like the Yanmar L70 or anything from Lombardini?

Compared to gas engines, they look like they might cost 2-3 times more,
and weight at least twice as much.

I have had a Yanmar 3500 watt generator for about 20 years. Very cheap to
run compared to gas, always starts, no maintenance required except for oil
changes. But also very loud, especially at night, it's like a hammering
sound as opposed to the hum of a gas generator. It's also a bear to lift in
and out of my truck.

ATP* wrote:

"Cydrome Leader" wrote in message
...
Does anybody have any opinions/stories of 4-6 HP 1 cylinder diesel
engines, like the Yanmar L70 or anything from Lombardini?

Compared to gas engines, they look like they might cost 2-3 times more,
and weight at least twice as much.

I have had a Yanmar 3500 watt generator for about 20 years. Very cheap to
run compared to gas, always starts, no maintenance required except for oil
changes. But also very loud, especially at night, it's like a hammering
sound as opposed to the hum of a gas generator. It's also a bear to lift in
and out of my truck.

I've been bugging the local tiny diesel engine dealers in the area, and
the stupid ****ers never call back, or answer the phone. I don't get why
it's so hard to try to buy stuff from non-internet based companies.

I see that lots of these tiny diesels are pull start. Do the need
electricity at all for the glo plug, or how does that work?

"Cydrome Leader" wrote in message
...
ATP* wrote:

"Cydrome Leader" wrote in message
...
Does anybody have any opinions/stories of 4-6 HP 1 cylinder diesel
engines, like the Yanmar L70 or anything from Lombardini?

Compared to gas engines, they look like they might cost 2-3 times more,
and weight at least twice as much.

I have had a Yanmar 3500 watt generator for about 20 years. Very cheap to
run compared to gas, always starts, no maintenance required except for
oil
changes. But also very loud, especially at night, it's like a hammering
sound as opposed to the hum of a gas generator. It's also a bear to lift
in
and out of my truck.

I've been bugging the local tiny diesel engine dealers in the area, and
the stupid ****ers never call back, or answer the phone. I don't get why
it's so hard to try to buy stuff from non-internet based companies.

I see that lots of these tiny diesels are pull start. Do the need
electricity at all for the glo plug, or how does that work?

Mine has electric start and pull start, plus a compression release. No glo
plug and it hasn't been necessary so far, at least here on Long Island.

ATP* wrote:

"Cydrome Leader" wrote in message
...
ATP* wrote:

"Cydrome Leader" wrote in message
...
Does anybody have any opinions/stories of 4-6 HP 1 cylinder diesel
engines, like the Yanmar L70 or anything from Lombardini?

Compared to gas engines, they look like they might cost 2-3 times more,
and weight at least twice as much.

I have had a Yanmar 3500 watt generator for about 20 years. Very cheap to
run compared to gas, always starts, no maintenance required except for
oil
changes. But also very loud, especially at night, it's like a hammering
sound as opposed to the hum of a gas generator. It's also a bear to lift
in
and out of my truck.

I've been bugging the local tiny diesel engine dealers in the area, and
the stupid ****ers never call back, or answer the phone. I don't get why
it's so hard to try to buy stuff from non-internet based companies.

I see that lots of these tiny diesels are pull start. Do the need
electricity at all for the glo plug, or how does that work?

Mine has electric start and pull start, plus a compression release. No glo
plug and it hasn't been necessary so far, at least here on Long Island.

I just stopped wasting time and ordered a honda gas engine instead.
Somebody was willing to take my money when I called up a farm supply
place.

On Thu, 18 May 2006 07:43:03 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:



I've been bugging the local tiny diesel engine dealers in the area, and
the stupid ****ers never call back, or answer the phone. I don't get why
it's so hard to try to buy stuff from non-internet based companies.


Maybe it's you- I work at a ag distributor and get pestered about the
small diesels our equipment uses. I just don't have the time to do the
customers homework- dimensions, power, fuel consumption, only to have
them hang up when they find out how much the engine costs. I can't
engage in a dead-end phone call for 15 minutes when guys with money
are standing at the counter.
If you want to be taken seriously, get off your ass and leave the
phone on the hook. Go to the engine dealer with a clear idea of what
you need and understand it'll cost a lot more than a Harbor Freight
Briggs reject.

-Carl

Carl Byrns wrote:
On Thu, 18 May 2006 07:43:03 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:



I've been bugging the local tiny diesel engine dealers in the area, and
the stupid ****ers never call back, or answer the phone. I don't get why
it's so hard to try to buy stuff from non-internet based companies.


Maybe it's you- I work at a ag distributor and get pestered about the
small diesels our equipment uses. I just don't have the time to do the
customers homework- dimensions, power, fuel consumption, only to have
them hang up when they find out how much the engine costs. I can't
engage in a dead-end phone call for 15 minutes when guys with money

Wrong. When somebody calls up asking for a quote and has an exact part
number down to the shaft style, you're just stupid to not try to come up
with a price. There's something inherently worthless about lots of sales
people in many industries.

are standing at the counter.
If you want to be taken seriously, get off your ass and leave the
phone on the hook. Go to the engine dealer with a clear idea of what

There's no need for me to travel 100 miles (yes, the nearest Yanmar
dealer to Chicago is in Wisconsin) just to meet lazy worthless sales
people in person.

you need and understand it'll cost a lot more than a Harbor Freight
Briggs reject.

That's an even better reason to get me my quote. I didn't call these
places to find out about used engines from a bargain bin that's under $50
and has a 5 year warranty.

Cydrome Leader wrote:
Carl Byrns wrote:
On Thu, 18 May 2006 07:43:03 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:



I've been bugging the local tiny diesel engine dealers in the area, and
the stupid ****ers never call back, or answer the phone. I don't get why
it's so hard to try to buy stuff from non-internet based companies.


Maybe it's you- I work at a ag distributor and get pestered about the
small diesels our equipment uses. I just don't have the time to do the
customers homework- dimensions, power, fuel consumption, only to have
them hang up when they find out how much the engine costs. I can't
engage in a dead-end phone call for 15 minutes when guys with money

Wrong. When somebody calls up asking for a quote and has an exact part
number down to the shaft style, you're just stupid to not try to come up
with a price. There's something inherently worthless about lots of sales
people in many industries.

are standing at the counter.
If you want to be taken seriously, get off your ass and leave the
phone on the hook. Go to the engine dealer with a clear idea of what

I just had a great experience with this place

http://www.helmuthrepair.com/

for a gas honda engine. I had it delived in less than 24 hours after
calling in the order. So, at least some people still understand how
business works.

On Thu, 18 May 2006 23:19:16 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:

Carl Byrns wrote:
On Thu, 18 May 2006 07:43:03 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote:



I've been bugging the local tiny diesel engine dealers in the area, and
the stupid ****ers never call back, or answer the phone. I don't get why
it's so hard to try to buy stuff from non-internet based companies.

Again, maybe it's you- the guy who calls me with a good idea of what
he wants, when he wants it, and understands the cost gets my undivided
attention. He's either a pro or has gone out of his way to educate
himself.
I never hang up on someone who isn't on top of the game, however, I
won't sell him something over the phone and will ask him- politely- to
stop in so I can define what he's after. If he chooses not to, no
great loss. He can be a PIA to my competition.

-Carl

In article , Cydrome Leader
wrote:

ATP* wrote:

"Cydrome Leader" wrote in message
...
Does anybody have any opinions/stories of 4-6 HP 1 cylinder diesel
engines, like the Yanmar L70 or anything from Lombardini?

Compared to gas engines, they look like they might cost 2-3 times more,
and weight at least twice as much.

I have had a Yanmar 3500 watt generator for about 20 years. Very cheap to
run compared to gas, always starts, no maintenance required except for oil
changes. But also very loud, especially at night, it's like a hammering
sound as opposed to the hum of a gas generator. It's also a bear to lift in
and out of my truck.

I've been bugging the local tiny diesel engine dealers in the area, and
the stupid ****ers never call back, or answer the phone. I don't get why
it's so hard to try to buy stuff from non-internet based companies.

I see that lots of these tiny diesels are pull start. Do the need
electricity at all for the glo plug, or how does that work?

My Yanmar has electric start but it doesn't need it. No glow plug.

Look, diesels are heavier, noisier, run compression ratios 2X a gas
motor and so can be difficult to start manually unless designed for it
- usually with a big flywheel and a compression release. For continuous
duty, they're far superior. For light intermittent duty, get a gas
engine. I have 12 gensets at work. 10 of them are Hondas, the other 2
are Kubotas.

PDW

Peter Wiley wrote:
In article , Cydrome Leader
wrote:

ATP* wrote:

"Cydrome Leader" wrote in message
...
Does anybody have any opinions/stories of 4-6 HP 1 cylinder diesel
engines, like the Yanmar L70 or anything from Lombardini?

Compared to gas engines, they look like they might cost 2-3 times more,
and weight at least twice as much.

I have had a Yanmar 3500 watt generator for about 20 years. Very cheap to
run compared to gas, always starts, no maintenance required except for oil
changes. But also very loud, especially at night, it's like a hammering
sound as opposed to the hum of a gas generator. It's also a bear to lift in
and out of my truck.

I've been bugging the local tiny diesel engine dealers in the area, and
the stupid ****ers never call back, or answer the phone. I don't get why
it's so hard to try to buy stuff from non-internet based companies.

I see that lots of these tiny diesels are pull start. Do the need
electricity at all for the glo plug, or how does that work?

My Yanmar has electric start but it doesn't need it. No glow plug.

Look, diesels are heavier, noisier, run compression ratios 2X a gas
motor and so can be difficult to start manually unless designed for it
- usually with a big flywheel and a compression release. For continuous
duty, they're far superior. For light intermittent duty, get a gas
engine. I have 12 gensets at work. 10 of them are Hondas, the other 2

I found it interesting everybody makes diesel engines, you just won't find
them in the US or in their US site. Honda seems to have a line called GD
or something like that that looks like the GX gas series. I only see them
on the uk and canadian sites.

Why is diesel so unpopular here in the US compared to the rest of the
world?

are Kubotas.

PDW

On Fri, 19 May 2006 01:44:48 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader wrote:

I found it interesting everybody makes diesel engines, you just won't find
them in the US or in their US site. Honda seems to have a line called GD
or something like that that looks like the GX gas series. I only see them
on the uk and canadian sites.

Why is diesel so unpopular here in the US compared to the rest of the
world?

Because the USA'n automakers, in the 1970s, released some real crap
products with diesel engines. Some, believe it or not, were gasoline
engines with minor changes, instead of actual designed diesel engines.
The reputation was made of dirty, smelly, and unreliable because of,
especially, GM's brain-deaded decisions.

I'm seeing a lot more diesels on the road these days, but I _still_
can't buy a diesel-electric hybrid. If I could, I'd seriously consider
going into debt to do so. I drive 70 miles a day to get to and from
work, and at 3 bucks a gallon (yeah, I know...) it adds up. My ancient
Saab gets 24-26 MPG, but still...

"Cydrome Leader" wrote in message
...
Does anybody have any opinions/stories of 4-6 HP 1 cylinder diesel
engines, like the Yanmar L70 or anything from Lombardini?

Compared to gas engines, they look like they might cost 2-3 times more,
and weight at least twice as much.

I used to maintain one-lung-er Onans on boats in 'Nam. (generator duty).
They were _always_ broken. My experience with flat-pack 'wide-vee' fours
from Onan in RV gensets is about the same.

LLoyd