Cool stuff! Yes, I do have enough important stuff to do but, I've started
to become fascinated with the "Black Rifle" build. Just another bottomless
pit potential? Another hobby run amok? I STILL want one! I have
absolutely no need for one but that never stopped me before. I'll bet there
is a wealth of imperial knowledge here in addition to the vast info on the
web. I have a couple of Ruger 5.56s so I'm familiar with the loads, have
the dies and such and it's cheap to feed and ranges are more accessible than
higher power rounds. Buying a finished rifle doesn't interest me unless it
was almost a gift. I want to make chips...but not too many.

There are billions of variables ranging from plinkers to match. I'm leaning
to the plinker knowing it will be more accurate than I am. Lowers are
available in every form from raw forgings or billets to 80% to finished. The
rest is bolt on fluff. (for now) Anybody have a box-o-parts or abandoned
projects? I'll keep reading but there is almost "too much" and those people
are fanatics, it's hard to filter.

On Mon, 01 May 2006 13:14:17 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:

Cool stuff! Yes, I do have enough important stuff to do but, I've started
to become fascinated with the "Black Rifle" build. Just another bottomless
pit potential? Another hobby run amok? I STILL want one! I have
absolutely no need for one but that never stopped me before. I'll bet there
is a wealth of imperial knowledge here in addition to the vast info on the
web. I have a couple of Ruger 5.56s so I'm familiar with the loads, have
the dies and such and it's cheap to feed and ranges are more accessible than
higher power rounds. Buying a finished rifle doesn't interest me unless it
was almost a gift. I want to make chips...but not too many.

There are billions of variables ranging from plinkers to match. I'm leaning
to the plinker knowing it will be more accurate than I am. Lowers are
available in every form from raw forgings or billets to 80% to finished. The
rest is bolt on fluff. (for now) Anybody have a box-o-parts or abandoned
projects? I'll keep reading but there is almost "too much" and those people
are fanatics, it's hard to filter.

Did you read my email to you on that subject several days ago?

Gunner

"I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism.
As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural
patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief
in biological Marxism." Big Pete, famous Usenet Racist

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
Did you read my email to you on that subject several days ago?

Gunner

No, I thought you didn't get my mail. Check your address book, there might
be a bad address in there. My fault, I might have a notebook set-up wrong
and it might be showing a return address that I don't use connected to my
DSL at-home account. Resend to my normal address at work.

I did check that DSL account for the first time in months and noticed you
had a couple of e-mails in there that were addressed to Don Forman, so your
e-mailing is messed-up too. But, nothing on AR-15s.

On Mon, 01 May 2006 18:06:58 GMT, "Tom Gardner"
wrote:


"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
Did you read my email to you on that subject several days ago?

Gunner

No, I thought you didn't get my mail. Check your address book, there might
be a bad address in there. My fault, I might have a notebook set-up wrong
and it might be showing a return address that I don't use connected to my
DSL at-home account. Resend to my normal address at work.

I did check that DSL account for the first time in months and noticed you
had a couple of e-mails in there that were addressed to Don Forman, so your
e-mailing is messed-up too. But, nothing on AR-15s.

so do I remove the no spam in this email addy or leave it in place?

I spent some time researching for you...G


"I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism.
As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural
patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief
in biological Marxism." Big Pete, famous Usenet Racist

so do I remove the no spam in this email addy or leave it in place?

I spent some time researching for you...G

Yes remove the (no spam), it's "tom-at-mybusiness-dot-com

I'm up to 500+ spam a day, I'm getting paranoid about being harvested again
and again.

I'm looking forward to your thoughts, I knew you would have the Motts.

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
. com...
Cool stuff! Yes, I do have enough important stuff to do but, I've started
to become fascinated with the "Black Rifle" build. Just another
bottomless pit potential? Another hobby run amok? I STILL want one! I
have absolutely no need for one but that never stopped me before. I'll
bet there is a wealth of imperial knowledge here in addition to the vast
info on the web. I have a couple of Ruger 5.56s so I'm familiar with the
loads, have the dies and such and it's cheap to feed and ranges are more
accessible than higher power rounds. Buying a finished rifle doesn't
interest me unless it was almost a gift. I want to make chips...but not
too many.

There are billions of variables ranging from plinkers to match. I'm
leaning to the plinker knowing it will be more accurate than I am. Lowers
are available in every form from raw forgings or billets to 80% to
finished. The rest is bolt on fluff. (for now) Anybody have a
box-o-parts or abandoned projects? I'll keep reading but there is almost
"too much" and those people are fanatics, it's hard to filter.

If you haven't found it yet, head over to
http://www.homegunsmith.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi

Best site for the home builder.

AR-15s are great. We have "His" and "Hers" at my house.

Steve.

--I've often thought it might be fun to rebuild this action for a
20mm cartridge. Heh.

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : I'll have the roast duck
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : with the mango salsa...
www.nmpproducts.com
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

On 01 May 2006 19:26:41 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, steamer
quickly quoth:

--I've often thought it might be fun to rebuild this action for a
20mm cartridge. Heh.

Diameter or length, Ed? g


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On Tue, 02 May 2006 06:51:32 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On 01 May 2006 19:26:41 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, steamer
quickly quoth:

--I've often thought it might be fun to rebuild this action for a
20mm cartridge. Heh.

Diameter or length, Ed? g

There are already .50 BMG uppers for the AR-15 lower.

Single shot though.



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"I think this is because of your belief in biological Marxism.
As a genetic communist you feel that noticing behavioural
patterns relating to race would cause a conflict with your belief
in biological Marxism." Big Pete, famous Usenet Racist

--Ha! Diameter; I've got a thousand rounds sitting in buckets in the
shed. Missing cases, unfortunately, so I'll have to find them or fab them.

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : I'll have the roast duck
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : with the mango salsa...
www.nmpproducts.com
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

"steamer" wrote in message
...
--Ha! Diameter; I've got a thousand rounds sitting in buckets in the
shed. Missing cases, unfortunately, so I'll have to find them or fab
them.

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : I'll have the roast duck
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : with the mango salsa...
www.nmpproducts.com
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---


I took a 20mm round apart and used the inert bullet to make a nice plumb
bob!

Steve.

Tom Gardner (nospam) wrote:
I'll bet there
is a wealth of imperial knowledge here

There are billions of variables ranging from plinkers to match. I'm leaning
to the plinker knowing it will be more accurate than I am. Lowers are
available in every form from raw forgings or billets to 80% to finished. The
rest is bolt on fluff. (for now) Anybody have a box-o-parts or abandoned
projects? I'll keep reading but there is almost "too much" and those people
are fanatics, it's hard to filter.

Tom,

There is a you-build-it forum on www.AR15.com which has lots of info.
I believe it is http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=3&f=4
Also, biggerhammer.net has several blueprint sets for the lower.

I am particularly enamored of a piece-by-piece build that someone did
a few years ago. If I can find the photos, I will email them to you.
He
had only a tiny mill, so he used separate chunks of metal, held
together
by screws, for the front end, the two sides of the magazine well, the
hammer/trigger section, the sides of the hammer/trigger section (for
the pin holes), and the threaded hole on the back. It was a very neat
solution for the limitations of his tools.

As for parts, there are plenty of places selling a "complete lower
parts kit". Uppers are arguably best purchased already assembled,
as the tooling to do the job right can get pretty pricey, and they are
a little less forgiving to put together than the lower's parts.

wrote in message
oups.com...

Tom Gardner (nospam) wrote:
I'll bet there
is a wealth of imperial knowledge here

There are billions of variables ranging from plinkers to match. I'm
leaning
to the plinker knowing it will be more accurate than I am. Lowers are
available in every form from raw forgings or billets to 80% to finished.
The
rest is bolt on fluff. (for now) Anybody have a box-o-parts or
abandoned
projects? I'll keep reading but there is almost "too much" and those
people
are fanatics, it's hard to filter.

Tom,

There is a you-build-it forum on www.AR15.com which has lots of info.
I believe it is http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=3&f=4
Also, biggerhammer.net has several blueprint sets for the lower.

I am particularly enamored of a piece-by-piece build that someone did
a few years ago. If I can find the photos, I will email them to you.
He
had only a tiny mill, so he used separate chunks of metal, held
together
by screws, for the front end, the two sides of the magazine well, the
hammer/trigger section, the sides of the hammer/trigger section (for
the pin holes), and the threaded hole on the back. It was a very neat
solution for the limitations of his tools.

As for parts, there are plenty of places selling a "complete lower
parts kit". Uppers are arguably best purchased already assembled,
as the tooling to do the job right can get pretty pricey, and they are
a little less forgiving to put together than the lower's parts.

I've read big-time on the AR-15.com forums and followed a zillion links from
there. I too was amazed at the stuff people have done with sharp sticks and
rocks for tooling.

wrote in message
oups.com...

Tom Gardner (nospam) wrote:
I'll bet there
is a wealth of imperial knowledge here

There are billions of variables ranging from plinkers to match. I'm
leaning
to the plinker knowing it will be more accurate than I am. Lowers are
available in every form from raw forgings or billets to 80% to finished.
The
rest is bolt on fluff. (for now) Anybody have a box-o-parts or
abandoned
projects? I'll keep reading but there is almost "too much" and those
people
are fanatics, it's hard to filter.

Tom,

There is a you-build-it forum on www.AR15.com which has lots of info.
I believe it is http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=3&f=4
Also, biggerhammer.net has several blueprint sets for the lower.

I am particularly enamored of a piece-by-piece build that someone did
a few years ago. If I can find the photos, I will email them to you.
He
had only a tiny mill, so he used separate chunks of metal, held
together
by screws, for the front end, the two sides of the magazine well, the
hammer/trigger section, the sides of the hammer/trigger section (for
the pin holes), and the threaded hole on the back. It was a very neat
solution for the limitations of his tools.


Check he
http://www.geocities.com/elmgrove176.../project6.html

As for parts, there are plenty of places selling a "complete lower
parts kit". Uppers are arguably best purchased already assembled,
as the tooling to do the job right can get pretty pricey, and they are
a little less forgiving to put together than the lower's parts.

"Tom Gardner" wrote in message
. com...
Cool stuff! Yes, I do have enough important stuff to do but, I've started
to become fascinated with the "Black Rifle" build. Just another
bottomless pit potential? Another hobby run amok? I STILL want one! I
have absolutely no need for one but that never stopped me before. I'll
bet there is a wealth of imperial knowledge here in addition to the vast
info on the web. I have a couple of Ruger 5.56s so I'm familiar with the
loads, have the dies and such and it's cheap to feed and ranges are more
accessible than higher power rounds. Buying a finished rifle doesn't
interest me unless it was almost a gift. I want to make chips...but not
too many.

There are billions of variables ranging from plinkers to match. I'm
leaning to the plinker knowing it will be more accurate than I am. Lowers
are available in every form from raw forgings or billets to 80% to
finished. The rest is bolt on fluff. (for now) Anybody have a
box-o-parts or abandoned projects? I'll keep reading but there is almost
"too much" and those people are fanatics, it's hard to filter.

Hi Tom,

If you haven't visited this site, you'll want to:

http://www.cncgunsmithing.com/projects.html

I know you have vmc's available. This guy has been bitten by the "build
cool toys" bug pretty badly. Per the webpage, he's a mechanical engineer
who's been working as a machinist. Decided to try his hand at machining
complete frames from platestock. Check it out - ya won't be disappointed
about the time spent.

StaticsJason

No desire for "The Black Rifle". uncomfortable to carry slung, rattles,
sights could be improved, PITA to clean. An M1 has more glitz.

I hope the XM-8 finally gets issued.

Give me Metalstorm for lots of lead.

On Mon, 01 May 2006 20:17:55 -0500, Louis Ohland wrote:
No desire for "The Black Rifle". uncomfortable to carry slung, rattles,
sights could be improved, PITA to clean. An M1 has more glitz.

Yup. I've got a pretty good sized collection, and nothing in the AR
family. Building one myself, though, does have a certain appeal.

Give me Metalstorm for lots of lead.

Which, technically, is a muzzleloader, isn't it?