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Sorta OT-advice please for pellet rifles
I usta have a nice, accurate pump pellet rifle. I can't be sure, but I
think it was a Sheridan. Anyway, it took several pumps for full velocity and fired .177 cal pellets (I think). It was quite accurate and would put pellets right through a 2x4 when pumped enough. On the other hand, just a couple pumps would send pellets out slow enough that they wouldn't go through heavy paper at about 40 feet away. Is there a pellet rifle available today that matches my old one? I have looked and can only find the ones that take just one pump and it's the barrel that's the pump lever, not the fore stock like my old one. I want the variable velocity. Thanks, eric |
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Eric R Snow wrote in
: I usta have a nice, accurate pump pellet rifle. I can't be sure, but I think it was a Sheridan. Anyway, it took several pumps for full velocity and fired .177 cal pellets (I think). It was quite accurate and would put pellets right through a 2x4 when pumped enough. On the other hand, just a couple pumps would send pellets out slow enough that they wouldn't go through heavy paper at about 40 feet away. Is there a pellet rifle available today that matches my old one? I have looked and can only find the ones that take just one pump and it's the barrel that's the pump lever, not the fore stock like my old one. I want the variable velocity. Why not buy another Sheridan? http://www.crosman.com/site/listing/1094 |
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I have a Crosman 1377 pellet pistol sitting by the door in the shop...
which shoots .177 pellets and takes from 1 to 10 pumps to "arm". With it's 10" barrel it's surprisingly accurate for a cheap air pistol. I have shot expensive Feinwerkbau air rifles, it's not quite the same... but it's not bad for $50. However, I just tried 10 pumps at point-blank range and it buried the pellet about 0.29" below the surface of a 2" x 2" pine board. There is an entertaining review of the 1377 about midway down this page: http://home.att.net/~jjaxelrod/air.html I think(?) the rifle counterpart to the 1377 pistol is the 2100B/2100Classic reviewed he http://www.reviewcentre.com/review161400.html David "Eric R Snow" wrote in message ... I usta have a nice, accurate pump pellet rifle. I can't be sure, but I think it was a Sheridan. Anyway, it took several pumps for full velocity and fired .177 cal pellets (I think). It was quite accurate and would put pellets right through a 2x4 when pumped enough. On the other hand, just a couple pumps would send pellets out slow enough that they wouldn't go through heavy paper at about 40 feet away. Is there a pellet rifle available today that matches my old one? I have looked and can only find the ones that take just one pump and it's the barrel that's the pump lever, not the fore stock like my old one. I want the variable velocity. Thanks, eric |
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:07:55 -0700, Eric R Snow
wrote: I usta have a nice, accurate pump pellet rifle. I can't be sure, but I think it was a Sheridan. Anyway, it took several pumps for full velocity and fired .177 cal pellets (I think). It was quite accurate and would put pellets right through a 2x4 when pumped enough. On the other hand, just a couple pumps would send pellets out slow enough that they wouldn't go through heavy paper at about 40 feet away. Is there a pellet rifle available today that matches my old one? I have looked and can only find the ones that take just one pump and it's the barrel that's the pump lever, not the fore stock like my old one. I want the variable velocity. Thanks, eric Google "blue streak" Gunner |
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On 13 Apr 2006 03:42:08 GMT, D Murphy wrote:
Eric R Snow wrote in : I usta have a nice, accurate pump pellet rifle. I can't be sure, but I think it was a Sheridan. Anyway, it took several pumps for full velocity and fired .177 cal pellets (I think). It was quite accurate and would put pellets right through a 2x4 when pumped enough. On the other hand, just a couple pumps would send pellets out slow enough that they wouldn't go through heavy paper at about 40 feet away. Is there a pellet rifle available today that matches my old one? I have looked and can only find the ones that take just one pump and it's the barrel that's the pump lever, not the fore stock like my old one. I want the variable velocity. Why not buy another Sheridan? http://www.crosman.com/site/listing/1094 Personally,,,,I prefer the 5mm/.20 caliber...though pellets are a bit harder to find Gunner |
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Eric R Snow wrote: I usta have a nice, accurate pump pellet rifle. I can't be sure, but I think it was a Sheridan. Anyway, it took several pumps for full velocity and fired .177 cal pellets (I think). It was quite accurate and would put pellets right through a 2x4 when pumped enough. On the other hand, just a couple pumps would send pellets out slow enough that they wouldn't go through heavy paper at about 40 feet away. Is there a pellet rifle available today that matches my old one? I have looked and can only find the ones that take just one pump and it's the barrel that's the pump lever, not the fore stock like my old one. I want the variable velocity. Several multi-pump airguns out there. I have a Remington 77 (I think) which is probably a Crosman. Available for under $50 reconditioned. Cheapo, but it looks good, has a scope, and is surprisingly accurate with a scope. I bought it to run off some crows that were harassing a great horned owl in the neighbor's trees. One pellet at about 15 yards dropped the crow like a rock, and the rest moved on. Now it's a shop gun, as occasionally I step out into the dark and find myself looking at a roaming pit bull. This gun won't stop one of those, but it might dissuade one that is undecided. |
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"Rex B" wrote Now it's a shop gun, as occasionally I step out into the dark and find myself looking at a roaming pit bull. This gun won't stop one of those, but it might dissuade one that is undecided. It makes the owner take note, as it costs a pretty penny to have the pellet removed from the pit bull. It usually takes only once, and if the dog is on my property it's lucky it makes it home alive. I have no regard for pit bulls although I like most other dogs. Steve |
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Steve B wrote:
"Rex B" wrote Now it's a shop gun, as occasionally I step out into the dark and find myself looking at a roaming pit bull. This gun won't stop one of those, but it might dissuade one that is undecided. It makes the owner take note, as it costs a pretty penny to have the pellet removed from the pit bull. It usually takes only once, and if the dog is on my property it's lucky it makes it home alive. I have no regard for pit bulls although I like most other dogs. This particular specimen did not exhibit aggression, and just ambled off when I shooed him. But it did make me think about other possibilities. And I have a real firearm for more serious predators. |
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On 13 Apr 2006 03:42:08 GMT, D Murphy wrote:
Eric R Snow wrote in : I usta have a nice, accurate pump pellet rifle. I can't be sure, but I think it was a Sheridan. Anyway, it took several pumps for full velocity and fired .177 cal pellets (I think). It was quite accurate and would put pellets right through a 2x4 when pumped enough. On the other hand, just a couple pumps would send pellets out slow enough that they wouldn't go through heavy paper at about 40 feet away. Is there a pellet rifle available today that matches my old one? I have looked and can only find the ones that take just one pump and it's the barrel that's the pump lever, not the fore stock like my old one. I want the variable velocity. Why not buy another Sheridan? http://www.crosman.com/site/listing/1094 If it's the right rifle then I think I will. All the stores I've been in don't have 'em. So it helps to see what is out there. Thanks for the link. I didn't know that Crosman made Sheridan. ERS |
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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 10:57:31 GMT, Gunner
wrote: On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:07:55 -0700, Eric R Snow wrote: I usta have a nice, accurate pump pellet rifle. I can't be sure, but I think it was a Sheridan. Anyway, it took several pumps for full velocity and fired .177 cal pellets (I think). It was quite accurate and would put pellets right through a 2x4 when pumped enough. On the other hand, just a couple pumps would send pellets out slow enough that they wouldn't go through heavy paper at about 40 feet away. Is there a pellet rifle available today that matches my old one? I have looked and can only find the ones that take just one pump and it's the barrel that's the pump lever, not the fore stock like my old one. I want the variable velocity. Thanks, eric Google "blue streak" Gunner Thanks Gunner, Blue Streak is what the rifle was. It was stolen 27 years ago and the name had faded. Eric |
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:00:30 -0500, "David Courtney"
wrote: I have a Crosman 1377 pellet pistol sitting by the door in the shop... which shoots .177 pellets and takes from 1 to 10 pumps to "arm". With it's 10" barrel it's surprisingly accurate for a cheap air pistol. I have shot expensive Feinwerkbau air rifles, it's not quite the same... but it's not bad for $50. However, I just tried 10 pumps at point-blank range and it buried the pellet about 0.29" below the surface of a 2" x 2" pine board. There is an entertaining review of the 1377 about midway down this page: http://home.att.net/~jjaxelrod/air.html I think(?) the rifle counterpart to the 1377 pistol is the 2100B/2100Classic reviewed he http://www.reviewcentre.com/review161400.html David David, Thanks for the links. I'll look at 'em. ERS "Eric R Snow" wrote in message .. . I usta have a nice, accurate pump pellet rifle. I can't be sure, but I think it was a Sheridan. Anyway, it took several pumps for full velocity and fired .177 cal pellets (I think). It was quite accurate and would put pellets right through a 2x4 when pumped enough. On the other hand, just a couple pumps would send pellets out slow enough that they wouldn't go through heavy paper at about 40 feet away. Is there a pellet rifle available today that matches my old one? I have looked and can only find the ones that take just one pump and it's the barrel that's the pump lever, not the fore stock like my old one. I want the variable velocity. Thanks, eric |
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Eric sez: "...Anyway, it took several pumps for full
velocity and fired .177 cal pellets (I think). It was quite accurate and would put pellets right through a 2x4 when pumped enough...." I've owned several "pellet guns" myself and have never pumped one enough to pierce a 2x4, although that is (maybe) theoretically possible. As my old boss used to say, " A word to the wise is superfluous"; and that would be don't damage a fine air rifle by overcharging it. The limiting factor in air rifles is not how much pressure they can be charged with but how they are able to retain and release that pressure. Velocity is limited by the valve which releases the "pumped" charge to propel the pellet. That valve is actuated by a hammer/spring arrangement and accounts for vibration sharp enough to damage scopes. Special scopes are made for air rifles that can withstand the hammer effect. IOW, you may be strong enough to impart tremendous pressure into an air rifle but only so much energy can be delivered to propel the pellet. Larger valves are possible, of course, but they adversely effect other things such as trigger pull and internal sealing. That tremendous pressure has to be pushed by a piston and retained by a seal. Trivia: Air guns aren't new. Some went along on the Lewis and Clark expedition 200 years ago. Bob Swinney |
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Robert Swinney wrote: Eric sez: "...Anyway, it took several pumps for full velocity and fired .177 cal pellets (I think). It was quite accurate and would put pellets right through a 2x4 when pumped enough...." is actuated by a hammer/spring arrangement and accounts for vibration sharp enough to damage scopes. Special scopes are made for air rifles that can withstand the hammer effect. The multi-pump guns like the Sheridan are not at all hard on scopes, so require nothing special. It's the barrel-cock spring guns that kill scopes that aren't made for it. I know you know that, just trying to clarify for others. Trivia: Air guns aren't new. Some went along on the Lewis and Clark expedition 200 years ago. Someone just tooled up to reproduce that gun as a limited edition. Very nice, pricey. |
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Eric R Snow wrote: I usta have a nice, accurate pump pellet rifle. I can't be sure, but I think it was a Sheridan. Anyway, it took several pumps for full velocity and fired .177 cal pellets (I think). It was quite accurate and would put pellets right through a 2x4 when pumped enough. On the other hand, just a couple pumps would send pellets out slow enough that they wouldn't go through heavy paper at about 40 feet away. Is there a pellet rifle available today that matches my old one? I have looked and can only find the ones that take just one pump and it's the barrel that's the pump lever, not the fore stock like my old one. I want the variable velocity. Thanks, eric As others have pointed out, Sheridans are still made, although probably not as well as the old ones. By today's standards, they're not particularly powerful. The ones you've see that use the barrel for cocking are spring-air rifles and probably get more velocity from that one cocking movement than 10 pumps on the Sheridan. Most will be more accurate as well. There's also sidelever cockers and underlever cockers in spring-air guns, those will have fixed barrels, tend to be more accurate and handle scoping better. For real power, precharged pneumatics that use scuba tanks for air pressure are top of the heap for power and cost. One site that has a lot of info is www.airgunexpress.com, there's also www.beeman.com. In my experience, you need pellet velocities of at least 650-700 fps to reliably kill vermin like pigeons, the pump-ups generally land on the lower edge of this. You can get some lucky shots that will take them out with lesser velocities, but anything below this isn't going to be that reliable. There's some import spring air guns that will exceed this velocity and don't cost and arm and a leg to own. You just don't leave them cocked. Stan |
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"Eric R Snow" wrote in message ... On 13 Apr 2006 03:42:08 GMT, D Murphy wrote: Eric R Snow wrote in m: I usta have a nice, accurate pump pellet rifle. I can't be sure, but I think it was a Sheridan. Anyway, it took several pumps for full velocity and fired .177 cal pellets (I think). It was quite accurate and would put pellets right through a 2x4 when pumped enough. On the other hand, just a couple pumps would send pellets out slow enough that they wouldn't go through heavy paper at about 40 feet away. Is there a pellet rifle available today that matches my old one? I have looked and can only find the ones that take just one pump and it's the barrel that's the pump lever, not the fore stock like my old one. I want the variable velocity. Why not buy another Sheridan? http://www.crosman.com/site/listing/1094 If it's the right rifle then I think I will. All the stores I've been in don't have 'em. So it helps to see what is out there. Thanks for the link. I didn't know that Crosman made Sheridan. ERS Crosman is the only survivor of the old American air-gun triumvirate: Crosman, Benjamin, Sheridan. Crosman bought up the remains of Benjamin after it absorbed Sheridan, IIRC. The present day Sheridans are really a mixture of the old Benjamins with a dose of Sheridan cosmetics. You can still get an old time Sheridan, but collectors want a lot of money for a nice one, and repair parts are problematic. Randy |
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"Rex B" wrote in message ... Robert Swinney wrote: Eric sez: "...Anyway, it took several pumps for full velocity and fired .177 cal pellets (I think). It was quite accurate and would put pellets right through a 2x4 when pumped enough...." is actuated by a hammer/spring arrangement and accounts for vibration sharp enough to damage scopes. Special scopes are made for air rifles that can withstand the hammer effect. The multi-pump guns like the Sheridan are not at all hard on scopes, so require nothing special. It's the barrel-cock spring guns that kill scopes that aren't made for it. I know you know that, just trying to clarify for others. Trivia: Air guns aren't new. Some went along on the Lewis and Clark expedition 200 years ago. Someone just tooled up to reproduce that gun as a limited edition. Very nice, pricey. Thanx, Rex. No, I didn't know that, for sure. I always assumed all kinds were hard on scopes; but it certainly makes sense the barrel-cock types with their very powerful springs would be the worst. Bob Swinney |
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Rex wrote:
"...The Lewis and Clark rifle was a PCB as were most airguns before the 20th century...." Coupla questions: Are you sure the "Lewis and Clark" model was a rifle? Smooth-bores were pretty much the norm in the very early 1800's. What is a "PCB"? Bob Swinney |
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Robert Swinney wrote: Rex wrote: "...The Lewis and Clark rifle was a PCB as were most airguns before the 20th century...." Coupla questions: Are you sure the "Lewis and Clark" model was a rifle? Smooth-bores were pretty much the norm in the very early 1800's. "The air rifle apparently was accurate, thus it probably was rifled." http://www.beemans.net/Lewis%20&%20Clark%20Airgun.htm interesting accounts of accidental discharges in this write-up. The first was before they left, an admirer was examining the rifle and acidentally shot a woman 40 yards away, put a furrow in her scalp. 2nd time one of the members of the expedition accidentally shot Lewis in the buttock. He though he'd taken an arrow and was readying himself to fight redskins to the death. From the way that reads, he may have had 2 airguns in the expedition. What is a "PCB"? A typo, actually PCP = Pre-Charged Pneumatic. Stores compressed air in a reservoir. |
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Gunner wrote: On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 20:07:55 -0700, Eric R Snow wrote: I usta have a nice, accurate pump pellet rifle. I can't be sure, but I think it was a Sheridan. Anyway, it took several pumps for full velocity and fired .177 cal pellets (I think). It was quite accurate and would put pellets right through a 2x4 when pumped enough. On the other hand, just a couple pumps would send pellets out slow enough that they wouldn't go through heavy paper at about 40 feet away. Is there a pellet rifle available today that matches my old one? I have looked and can only find the ones that take just one pump and it's the barrel that's the pump lever, not the fore stock like my old one. I want the variable velocity. Thanks, eric Google "blue streak" Or "silver streak". They came in nickle (?) plate as well as blue. The Sheridans were 5mm/20 caliber. Think they were the only air guns that were. I've had a Silver Streak for over 40 years now, and it's still fun to shoot. Pretty powerful, too. Used it to kill a rabid coon a couple of years ago, and it did the job. John Martin Gunner |
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On 13 Apr 2006 12:33:40 -0700, John Martin wrote:
Gunner wrote: Google "blue streak" Or "silver streak". They came in nickle (?) plate as well as blue. The Sheridans were 5mm/20 caliber. Think they were the only air guns that were. My father in law just bought a new sheridan, maybe even at Wal-mart, and externally at least it looks like my 40 year old one. I've had a Silver Streak for over 40 years now, and it's still fun to shoot. Pretty powerful, too. Used it to kill a rabid coon a couple of years ago, and it did the job. I use a more energetic method for the various critter control jobs, but yes, it's sure accurate. |
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Is it just my recollection (been a while), or would it be safe to say that the pumps are also lot quieter than the springs? -- Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by |
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Ecnerwal wrote:
Is it just my recollection (been a while), or would it be safe to say that the pumps are also lot quieter than the springs? -- Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by Not usually. The pumpers usually have a fairly sharp snap to the report compared to a springer. Cheers Trevor Jones |
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Rex B wrote:
Robert Swinney wrote: Rex wrote: "...The Lewis and Clark rifle was a PCB as were most airguns before the 20th century...." Coupla questions: Are you sure the "Lewis and Clark" model was a rifle? Smooth-bores were pretty much the norm in the very early 1800's. "The air rifle apparently was accurate, thus it probably was rifled." http://www.beemans.net/Lewis%20&%20Clark%20Airgun.htm interesting accounts of accidental discharges in this write-up. The first was before they left, an admirer was examining the rifle and acidentally shot a woman 40 yards away, put a furrow in her scalp. 2nd time one of the members of the expedition accidentally shot Lewis in the buttock. He though he'd taken an arrow and was readying himself to fight redskins to the death. From the way that reads, he may have had 2 airguns in the expedition. What is a "PCB"? A typo, actually PCP = Pre-Charged Pneumatic. Stores compressed air in a reservoir. You guys really have to take a look at Dennis Quackenbush's site http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/ Cheers Trevor Jones |
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I still have an old Benjamin BB gun that I had when I was a kid. No longer
pumps up, and I'm sure the barrel is now really worn. I bet I put 2000 BB's down that barrel. When I was in high school I took it down to the 50' rifle range and found that I couldn't keep a group on the paper, never mind the target in the center. I think BB's roll in the barrel and then curve like a baseball. I always wished that it had a rifled barrel and was the .177 cal pellet version. I've thought about taking it apart and seeing what's wrong, but I probably never will. It's just not worth it. Nicely made, though. All brass, including (I think) the barrel. -- Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways) "R. O'Brian" wrote in message news:MRv%f.485$pi6.35@dukeread12... "Eric R Snow" wrote in message ... On 13 Apr 2006 03:42:08 GMT, D Murphy wrote: Eric R Snow wrote in : I usta have a nice, accurate pump pellet rifle. I can't be sure, but I think it was a Sheridan. Anyway, it took several pumps for full velocity and fired .177 cal pellets (I think). It was quite accurate and would put pellets right through a 2x4 when pumped enough. On the other hand, just a couple pumps would send pellets out slow enough that they wouldn't go through heavy paper at about 40 feet away. Is there a pellet rifle available today that matches my old one? I have looked and can only find the ones that take just one pump and it's the barrel that's the pump lever, not the fore stock like my old one. I want the variable velocity. Why not buy another Sheridan? http://www.crosman.com/site/listing/1094 If it's the right rifle then I think I will. All the stores I've been in don't have 'em. So it helps to see what is out there. Thanks for the link. I didn't know that Crosman made Sheridan. ERS Crosman is the only survivor of the old American air-gun triumvirate: Crosman, Benjamin, Sheridan. Crosman bought up the remains of Benjamin after it absorbed Sheridan, IIRC. The present day Sheridans are really a mixture of the old Benjamins with a dose of Sheridan cosmetics. You can still get an old time Sheridan, but collectors want a lot of money for a nice one, and repair parts are problematic. Randy |
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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:19:24 -0500, "Robert Swinney"
wrote: Rex wrote: "...The Lewis and Clark rifle was a PCB as were most airguns before the 20th century...." Coupla questions: Are you sure the "Lewis and Clark" model was a rifle? Smooth-bores were pretty much the norm in the very early 1800's. What is a "PCB"? Bob Swinney The Austrian army had a brigade of pneumatic riflemen. As I understand it, they were considered quite unsporting as they could kill you very well at considerable distance from hiding, never leaving that pesky cloud of smoke to show your position Gunner |
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Gunner wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 13:19:24 -0500, "Robert Swinney" wrote: Rex wrote: "...The Lewis and Clark rifle was a PCB as were most airguns before the 20th century...." Coupla questions: Are you sure the "Lewis and Clark" model was a rifle? Smooth-bores were pretty much the norm in the very early 1800's. What is a "PCB"? Bob Swinney The Austrian army had a brigade of pneumatic riflemen. As I understand it, they were considered quite unsporting as they could kill you very well at considerable distance from hiding, never leaving that pesky cloud of smoke to show your position Gunner Those would have been the Girandoni repeaters. For those interested, there are a couple books around that detail the making of a working replica. Not sure if it's still in print but a search would find it for the interested. They were not extremely high powered,in the scheme of things, though powerful enough, but were capable of several shots in very quick (for the time) succession, and did not leave a great honking cloud of white smoke to mark the shooters location. Much info here http://www.beemans.net/Austrian%20airguns.htm and a good read. There's actual metalworking content! :-) Cheers Trevor Jones |
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