Devonshire wrote:
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dan
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Devonshire wrote:

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Matt Helm
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Si! Truly optical, passive pad.

Fun recalling old history (as opposed to new history).

Dan


Well thanks for clarifying this. I was having a hard time finding any
good information on it. It amazes me how things that have been
advertised as new are copies of stuff made years ago.

Devonshire

FAX machine is a 19th century invention!

Dan

I have one of those pads, from SUN, sitting on a shelf (if anyone
wants it, make me a plausible offer) - you will see that the horiz and
vert lines are different - you could have fun by rotating someon's pad
by 90 deg

Oh, and the original post - that was a joke from IBM - I first saw it
when an IBM employee handed it to me about 1986 or 7


bill
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 16:08:56 -0800, dan wrote:

Devonshire wrote:
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The mouse I'm refering to was
indeed optical. No ball. But it required a special gridded mouse
pad that had to be oriented in a certain way in order for it to work
correctly. If this is the mouse in question it doesn't work the same
as the modern optical mice. The modern ones take pictures of the
surface to track movement.

Not quite correct. The resolution and size of the picture as changed.


Matt


So this special gridded mouse pad wasn't wired to the mouse?
From the way the info I found on it read. I assumed it worked
like a digitizer pad where the mouse or pointing device and the pad
were wired and worked together. So this old optical mouse even
though it required a special pad, the pad served no other purpose
than for the mouse to see.

Devonshire

Si! Truly optical, passive pad.

Fun recalling old history (as opposed to new history).

Dan
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On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:25:51 -0600, "Martin H. Eastburn"
wrote:

Know what you mean - We had a 1610 ? been a few years - punch cards except
for the console term - inside 'the room'.

Started on a 1620 the year the 360 came out IIRC.
FORTRAN II & Assembler .. SPS-II D ? Monitor OS ...
http://hissa.nist.gov/mlists/ibm1620...9990119-4.html seems
similar.

IIRC The 1401 (?) & FORTRAN IV was a few years later ...
Why was the 14xx series later than the 1620?
--
Cliff

On the day of Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:17:12 -0800...
dan
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FAX machine is a 19th century invention!

Dan

I would have thought FAX machines would
be obsolete by now. As of last year The company
used to work was still using FAX machines regularly.
There was a heck of a paper trail involved in getting
parts ordered. Yet, come payday. Direct deposit was our
only option and if you wanted to view your check you
had to look at it on a computer screen. No paper involved.

Devonshire

"Devonshire" wrote in message
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On the day of Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:17:12 -0800...
dan
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FAX machine is a 19th century invention!

Dan

I would have thought FAX machines would
be obsolete by now. As of last year The company
used to work was still using FAX machines regularly.
There was a heck of a paper trail involved in getting
parts ordered. Yet, come payday. Direct deposit was our
only option and if you wanted to view your check you
had to look at it on a computer screen. No paper involved.


FAX has its advantages in that

1. There's a time/date/sender line printed on the document that's VERY handy
in litigation.
2. It's a lot harder to forge/modify a FAXed document than an e-mailed one.

On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:44:16 GMT,
(Devonshire) wrote:

On the day of Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:17:12 -0800...
dan
typed these letters:



FAX machine is a 19th century invention!

Dan

I would have thought FAX machines would
be obsolete by now. As of last year The company
used to work was still using FAX machines regularly.
There was a heck of a paper trail involved in getting
parts ordered. Yet, come payday. Direct deposit was our
only option and if you wanted to view your check you
had to look at it on a computer screen. No paper involved.

Devonshire
20+ years ago the news around the (gov't) office was that we were
headed into an age where paper would become obsolete and everything
would be on computers. Then someone discovered that, through the
computer, information could be presented in ten different formats, and
of course, each manager needed a hard copy of each.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

On the day of Sat, 01 Apr 2006 21:35:09 -0500...
Gerald Miller
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20+ years ago the news around the (gov't) office was that we were
headed into an age where paper would become obsolete and everything
would be on computers. Then someone discovered that, through the
computer, information could be presented in ten different formats, and
of course, each manager needed a hard copy of each.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

Thats exactly what was happening where I worked. If I needed to order
a part that wasn't on stock I had to call an approved vendor and get
them to FAX a price quote. I then had to type up and print out a
purchase order for the part and carry it to the supply room. In the
supply room I made a copy of the purchase order and quote for my
records to keep my butt covered. The supply room made a copy of
each for their records and then sent the original purchace order and
quote to the purchasing department. The purchasing department would
FAX the purchase order to the vendor to order the part. Many times
the vendor send a return order confirmation back by FAX. Thats a
lot of sheets of paper just to order a single item.

Devonshire

On the day of Sat, 1 Apr 2006 14:04:25 -0600...
"RAM³"
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FAX has its advantages in that

1. There's a time/date/sender line printed on the document that's VERY handy
in litigation.
2. It's a lot harder to forge/modify a FAXed document than an e-mailed one.




Yes, I'm sure there are situations where a FAX can be better. In my
experiece with getting price quotes by FAX, I delt exclusively with
approved vendors. Out of all the things I did get Faxed there never
was a single question raised. The FAX machine we had was also
a copy machine so we got faxes on plain copy paper. With a little
effort the received faxes could have been intercepted, scanned,
modified, printed, then copied on that same copy machine to look
authentic. If the FAX machine we had used the thermal paper.. the
story would be different.

Devonshire