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OT Bush: MEDICARE EXPLAINED?
Will Gunner approve?
[ MEDICARE EXPLAINED? WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: 'I don't really understand. How is the new plan going to fix the problem?' Verbatim response: PRESIDENT BUSH: 'Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example, is on the table. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be -- or closer delivered to that has been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of things that cause the -- like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to the increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the benefits will rise based upon inflation, supposed to wage increases. There is a reform that would help solve the red if that were put into effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those -- if that growth is affected, it will help on the red.' Please share this with others so they, too, can finally understand the 'new' Medicare. (And yes, it's true. Snopes confirms, and comments "President George W. Bush is not possessed of strong public speaking skills...") ] http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/muddled.asp |
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OT Bush: MEDICARE EXPLAINED?
Cliff wrote:
Will Gunner approve? [ MEDICARE EXPLAINED? WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: 'I don't really understand. How is the new plan going to fix the problem?' Verbatim response: PRESIDENT BUSH: 'Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example, is on the table. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be -- or closer delivered to that has been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of things that cause the -- like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to the increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the benefits will rise based upon inflation, supposed to wage increases. There is a reform that would help solve the red if that were put into effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those -- if that growth is affected, it will help on the red.' Please share this with others so they, too, can finally understand the 'new' Medicare. (And yes, it's true. Snopes confirms, and comments "President George W. Bush is not possessed of strong public speaking skills...") ] http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/muddled.asp I LOVE simpleton Bush, "Arabs hate us, because we are FREE and they not!" JS |
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OT Bush: MEDICARE EXPLAINED?
WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: 'I don't really understand. How is the new plan going to fix the problem?' Verbatim response: PRESIDENT BUSH: 'Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example, is on the table. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be -- or closer delivered to that has been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of things that cause the -- like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to the increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the benefits will rise based upon inflation, supposed to wage increases. There is a reform that would help solve the red if that were put into effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those -- if that growth is affected, it will help on the red.' http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/muddled.asp Is this the guy that gets to run the US? Holly ****. |
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OT Bush: MEDICARE EXPLAINED?
"zatoichi" wrote: Is this the guy that gets to run the US? Holly ****. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The ability to speak is dependent on the ability to think. |
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OT Bush: MEDICARE EXPLAINED?
Everybody come on, enter contest and win fabulous prizes!!!
Can you get any lamer then this? On 10-Mar-2006, "Leo Lichtman" wrote: "zatoichi" wrote: Is this the guy that gets to run the US? Holly ****. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The ability to speak is dependent on the ability to think. |
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OT Bush: MEDICARE EXPLAINED?
Holy **** !
Sorry Leo, my bad. I thought that it was about my spelling error Am I becoming paranoid or what? dumb zatoichi, very dumb. ------------------------------------ On 10-Mar-2006, "zatoichi" wrote: Everybody come on, enter contest and win fabulous prizes!!! Can you get any lamer then this? On 10-Mar-2006, "Leo Lichtman" wrote: "zatoichi" wrote: Is this the guy that gets to run the US? Holly ****. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The ability to speak is dependent on the ability to think. |
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OT Bush: MEDICARE EXPLAINED?
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:49:58 -0500, Cliff
wrote: Will Gunner approve? MEDICARE EXPLAINED? WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: 'I don't really understand. How is the new plan going to fix the problem?' Verbatim response: PRESIDENT BUSH: 'Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example, is on the table. snip And how will replacing President Bush with another one just like him from either party change anything? The special interest groups have become too good at raiding the US Treasury [i.e. the taxpayers] and/or not providing what they are paid for. There is about to be a grand conjunction when the governmental deficits at all levels meet the cumulative balance of payments trade deficit. While this may not cause the New Madrid fault to become active and the Mississippi river to run backwards, in financial terms this may well be the meteor that does in the dinosaurs of the American shell corporations and sham government. How about some positive suggestions on how to survive this, specifically for [the people in] the metal trades? Unka George |
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OT Bush: MEDICARE EXPLAINED?
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:12:16 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote: There is about to be a grand conjunction when the governmental deficits at all levels meet the cumulative balance of payments trade deficit. The trade deficits (we just set another new record, right?) ARE added national debts. As are all those trilions of offshore dollars ..... Just sell & ship more wheat & older machine tools (as scrap metal), right? -- Cliff |
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OT Bush: MEDICARE EXPLAINED?
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:41:48 -0500, Cliff
wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:12:16 -0600, F. George McDuffee wrote: There is about to be a grand conjunction when the governmental deficits at all levels meet the cumulative balance of payments trade deficit. =========================== The trade deficits (we just set another new record, right?) ARE added national debts. As are all those trilions of offshore dollars ..... Just sell & ship more wheat & older machine tools (as scrap metal), right? ----------------------------------------- This is one of several possible outcomes -- all bad. Consider what happens when the holders of our public and private debt realize they are about to be stiffed big time, e.g. the port management fiasco. Anything that is of value and portable will be purchased with the trillions of dollars we have so blithely exported. Operationally this is hyper-inflation where the supply of goods and services evaporates while the "money supply" grows geometrically. Actually when you define money as a "medium of exchange and a measure/store of value" its gone too. It is at this point Harry Homeowner will discover who was actually supplying the money for his home equity loan, and who now owns the house.... All together now "Don't cry for me Argentina" .... (See how the international banks behaved there when the ship hit the sand a few years back." Unka George |
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OT Bush: MEDICARE EXPLAINED?
F. George McDuffee wrote:
.. . . Consider what happens when the holders of our public and private debt realize they are about to be stiffed big time, e.g. the port management fiasco. Anything that is of value and portable will be purchased with the trillions of dollars we have so blithely exported. Operationally this is hyper-inflation where the supply of goods and services evaporates while the "money supply" grows geometrically. Actually when you define money as a "medium of exchange and a measure/store of value" its gone too. It is at this point Harry Homeowner will discover who was actually supplying the money for his home equity loan, and who now owns the house.... All together now "Don't cry for me Argentina" .... (See how the international banks behaved there when the ship hit the sand a few years back." Unka George So Harry Homeowner goes ahead and pays off his $200K mortgage with two days worth of take-home pay in devalued dollars. Inflation has no end of problems attending it but to someone with a fixed-rate mortgage and any sort of income, it's a godsend. For that matter, the same thing applies to national debit in spades. TK -- At the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence. |
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OT Bush: MEDICARE EXPLAINED?
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:49:59 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"
wrote: "zatoichi" wrote: Is this the guy that gets to run the US? Holly ****. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The ability to speak is dependent on the ability to think. Tell that to Stephen Hawking Gunner "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 |
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OT Bush: MEDICARE EXPLAINED?
"Cliff" wrote in message ... On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 07:50:38 GMT, Gunner wrote: On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:49:59 GMT, "Leo Lichtman" wrote: "zatoichi" wrote: Is this the guy that gets to run the US? Holly ****. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The ability to speak is dependent on the ability to think. Tell that to Stephen Hawking Or Gunner ... Both use machines to "speak." Neither of them strikes me as inarticulate, although Dr. Hawking has a BIG edge in the ability to think. Jeff |
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OT Bush: MEDICARE EXPLAINED?
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 07:50:38 GMT, Gunner wrote:
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:49:59 GMT, "Leo Lichtman" wrote: "zatoichi" wrote: Is this the guy that gets to run the US? Holly ****. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The ability to speak is dependent on the ability to think. Tell that to Stephen Hawking Or Gunner ... -- Cliff |
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OT Bush: MEDICARE EXPLAINED?
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:50:24 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote: Actually when you define money as a "medium of exchange and a measure/store of value" its gone too. Today's money is only worth the current goods & services it can be traded for today. If you don't have the goods the other guy's "money" is just pretty paper & numbers (see Ponzi Scheme). BTW, The US has UGLY money. -- Cliff |
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OT Bush: MEDICARE EXPLAINED?
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:02:15 -0700, TDKozan wrote:
F. George McDuffee wrote: . . . Consider what happens when the holders of our public and private debt realize they are about to be stiffed big time, e.g. the port management fiasco. Anything that is of value and portable will be purchased with the trillions of dollars we have so blithely exported. Operationally this is hyper-inflation where the supply of goods and services evaporates while the "money supply" grows geometrically. Actually when you define money as a "medium of exchange and a measure/store of value" its gone too. It is at this point Harry Homeowner will discover who was actually supplying the money for his home equity loan, and who now owns the house.... All together now "Don't cry for me Argentina" .... (See how the international banks behaved there when the ship hit the sand a few years back." Unka George So Harry Homeowner goes ahead and pays off his $200K mortgage with two days worth of take-home pay in devalued dollars. Inflation has no end of problems attending it but to someone with a fixed-rate mortgage and any sort of income, it's a godsend. Real incomes for working people have fallen a lot. Think your job will outlast a major, major depression while you pay off those deficits? Or that the neocons can honor those "full faith & credit" (YOUR work & assets) promises even if they wanted to? For that matter, the same thing applies to national debit in spades. You seem to forget that there will be panic buying when the first of the pack decide to get rid of those value-losing dollars before it's too late. But there's little to buy .... BTW, Home forclosures are at a rate 3 to 4 times now compared to what they were *during* the first Bush "recession". HTH -- Cliff |
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OT Bush: MEDICARE EXPLAINED?
zatoichi wrote:
WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: 'I don't really understand. How is the new plan going to fix the problem?' Verbatim response: PRESIDENT BUSH: 'Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example, is on the table. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be -- or closer delivered to that has been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of things that cause the -- like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to the increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the benefits will rise based upon inflation, supposed to wage increases. There is a reform that would help solve the red if that were put into effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those -- if that growth is affected, it will help on the red.' http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/muddled.asp Is this the guy that gets to run the US? Holly ****. Yep. Sadly we got the leaders we deserve. You can't blame him, it's the people of the US you have to blame. -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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OT Bush: MEDICARE EXPLAINED?
Leo Lichtman wrote:
"zatoichi" wrote: Is this the guy that gets to run the US? Holly ****. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The ability to speak is dependent on the ability to think. Yeah right! -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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OT Bush: MEDICARE EXPLAINED?
F. George McDuffee wrote:
And how will replacing President Bush with another one just like him from either party change anything? It won't. "Politics is the entertainment branch of industry" ~ Frank Zappa. -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com |
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OT Bush: MEDICARE EXPLAINED?
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 08:23:56 -0800, Abrasha
wrote: Yep. Sadly we got the leaders we deserve. You can't blame him, it's the people of the US you have to blame. -- Abrasha http://www.abrasha.com ===================== To a large degree the monopoly two [as in ends of the same snake] party system is responsible. Voters are forced to choose not on the bases of "who is the best person for the job" but rather "who is the least bad person for the job." Unka George |
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OT Bush: MEDICARE EXPLAINED?
Leo wrote: The ability to speak is dependent on the ability to think. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gunner wrote: Tell that to Stephen Hawking ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Leo responds: In a previous post I listed a couple of things about you that I like. Now you have given me another reason to criticize you. You know perfectly well what I meant. Do you think I'm stupid, or are you just trying to appeal to the people who are? |
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OT Bush: MEDICARE EXPLAINED?
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:38:58 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"
wrote: Leo wrote: The ability to speak is dependent on the ability to think. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gunner wrote: Tell that to Stephen Hawking ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Leo responds: In a previous post I listed a couple of things about you that I like. Now you have given me another reason to criticize you. You know perfectly well what I meant. Do you think I'm stupid, or are you just trying to appeal to the people who are? Leo..when ya make a blanket statement such as you did..particularly one so incredibly wrong on several levels considering who you directed it to..it was fun to hold your feet to the fire. Gunner "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 |
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OT Bush: MEDICARE EXPLAINED?
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:38:58 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"
wrote: Leo wrote: The ability to speak is dependent on the ability to think. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gunner wrote: Tell that to Stephen Hawking ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Leo responds: In a previous post I listed a couple of things about you that I like. Now you have given me another reason to criticize you. You know perfectly well what I meant. Do you think I'm stupid, or are you just trying to appeal to the people who are? I can hear the wingers trying to clap with one hand .... -- Cliff |
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OT Bush: MEDICARE EXPLAINED?
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 05:36:02 GMT, Gunner wrote:
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 02:38:58 GMT, "Leo Lichtman" wrote: Leo wrote: The ability to speak is dependent on the ability to think. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Gunner wrote: Tell that to Stephen Hawking ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Leo responds: In a previous post I listed a couple of things about you that I like. Now you have given me another reason to criticize you. You know perfectly well what I meant. Do you think I'm stupid, or are you just trying to appeal to the people who are? Leo..when ya make a blanket statement such as you did..particularly one so incredibly wrong on several levels considering who you directed it to..it was fun to hold your feet to the fire. Gunner Tell us about MENSA again, Gunner VBG. -- Cliff "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 |
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