I tossed in a starting bid on Steve Herrs mill a couple days ago on
eby..and got this email....Not that I can afford this fellows mill ..but
it may be either a scam, or somebody in the UK may be interested.

Just a heads up.

Gunner



Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 06:29:08 -0800 (PST)
From: christian w
Subject: Question for seller -- Item #2590621603
To: Gunner Asch



Hi,
My mill is Bridgeport Knee Mill Series I, 2 HP with Proto Trak 2 Axis NC
Control
Description: Table 9" X 42", Spindle Rates 60 to 4200 RPM, Inf. Var.,
Quill Feed Rates .0015,.003 & .006 IPR, Motor 2 HP,220/440V,3ph,60Hz
Weight, approx 1,300 lbs.
Equipped with: Proto Trak 2 Axis NC Control, With Trak Z Axis Quill
Readout,Infinitely Variable Spindle Speed Control
Sir I live in London UK, E10 5LT, but right now I am at my wife father
in other country. If you are interest to buy I will ship you the machine
from here via UPS SERVICES in collaboration with AIRBOARD AIRLINES and
all the taxes will be included in the last price of the machine.
I will give you a 15 days money back guarantee, no questions asked --
this means that if within 15 days from the sale you decide not to keep
the machine, for whatever reason, you'll ship it back to me (I WILL PAY
FOR HER SHIPPING BACK) and you'll get your full amount paid back, before
the shipping is done.
Thank you for your interest, I'll be online


Gunner Asch wrote:
Am interested. send information


At 12:57 PM 1/26/2004 -0800, you wrote:


Hi!
Dear eBay member, sorry because I bother you. I saw that you are
interested in purchase a product (BRIDGEPORT LAGUN (type) Vertical Mill
DRO PF).
I want to tell you that I have the same product that you bid on, but at a
very good price. I want to sell it because I have bad problems with the
money. Haven`t been used to much. It is in very good conditions used but
no scratches. If you are interested I can send you all information's you
need and pics of course. This are excellent beginner for a good deal
between us.
Thank you for your interest, I'll be online.

--------------------

"This device is provided without warranty of any kind as to reliability,
accuracy, existence or otherwise or fitness for any particular purpose
and Bioalchemic Products specifically does not warrant, guarantee,
imply or make any representations as to its merchantability for any
particular purpose and furthermore shall have no liability for or
responsibility to you or any other person, entity or deity with respect
to any loss or damage whatsoever caused by this device or object or by
any attempts to destroy it by hammering it against a wall or dropping it
into a deep well or any other means whatsoever and moreover asserts
that you indicate your acceptance of this agreement or any other
agreement that may he substituted at any time by coming within
five miles of the product or observing it through large telescopes or
by any other means because you are such an easily cowed moron
who will happily accept arrogant and unilateral conditions on a piece
of highly priced garbage that you would not dream of accepting on a
bag of dog biscuits and is used solely at your own risk.'

I don't think UPS will handle that mill to begin with nor will Airboard
Airlines (whomever they are) and the costs of shipping such an item will be
probably on the order of the cost of the mill.
That has to be a spam.

--
Bob May
Losing weight is easy! If you ever want to lose weight, eat and drink less.
Works every time it is tried!

Sounds too good to be true.

Gunner wrote:
I tossed in a starting bid on Steve Herrs mill a couple days ago on
eby..and got this email....Not that I can afford this fellows mill ..but
it may be either a scam, or somebody in the UK may be interested.

Just a heads up.

Gunner


Not saying its a scam either but that postcode resolves to Leyton, a
somewhat depressed definately fairly post industrial part of north east
london, the far side of the Lee valley. I'd be careful myself as a
London resident. Also WHY is it 220V 60Hz. I would expect a UK
bridgeport to be 240V 50Hz. I am no expert and have never made chips on
a mill, but I have done considerable work on the controlling PC on one
of my regular customer's bridgeport.

OT: Ive trailed my boat through that neibourhood and I reckon most of
the population had ever seen a privately owned sailboat before. Heads
turned. NOT the usual inner city reaction in a non waterfront area.
I think but arent sure that the postcode would be just off the
highstreet I drove through with my boat.

Make of that what you will.

http://www.multimap.co.uk/ should let you look up any future UK
postcodes (Which work like zip codes, but alphanumeric. 1-3 letters, a
number, a space another number and a couple of letters: XXXnnn nXX). If
you have a house number as well, it can be resolved to a FULL uk postal
address. I expected this one not to be valid, but it was.

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 06:29:08 -0800 (PST)
From: christian w
Subject: Question for seller -- Item #2590621603
To: Gunner Asch



Hi,
My mill is Bridgeport Knee Mill Series I, 2 HP with Proto Trak 2 Axis NC
Control
Description: Table 9" X 42", Spindle Rates 60 to 4200 RPM, Inf. Var.,
Quill Feed Rates .0015,.003 & .006 IPR, Motor 2 HP,220/440V,3ph,60Hz
Weight, approx 1,300 lbs.
Equipped with: Proto Trak 2 Axis NC Control, With Trak Z Axis Quill
Readout,Infinitely Variable Spindle Speed Control
Sir I live in London UK, E10 5LT, but right now I am at my wife father
in other country. If you are interest to buy I will ship you the machine
from here via UPS SERVICES in collaboration with AIRBOARD AIRLINES and
all the taxes will be included in the last price of the machine.
I will give you a 15 days money back guarantee, no questions asked --
this means that if within 15 days from the sale you decide not to keep
the machine, for whatever reason, you'll ship it back to me (I WILL PAY
FOR HER SHIPPING BACK) and you'll get your full amount paid back, before
the shipping is done.
Thank you for your interest, I'll be online


Gunner Asch wrote:
Am interested. send information


At 12:57 PM 1/26/2004 -0800, you wrote:



Hi!
Dear eBay member, sorry because I bother you. I saw that you are
interested in purchase a product (BRIDGEPORT LAGUN (type) Vertical Mill
DRO PF).
I want to tell you that I have the same product that you bid on, but at a
very good price. I want to sell it because I have bad problems with the
money. Haven`t been used to much. It is in very good conditions used but
no scratches. If you are interested I can send you all information's you
need and pics of course. This are excellent beginner for a good deal
between us.
Thank you for your interest, I'll be online.


--
Ian Malcolm. London, ENGLAND. (NEWSGROUP REPLY PREFERRED)
ianm[at]the[dash]malcolms[dot]freeserve[dot]co[dot]uk [at]=@, [dash]=- &
[dot]=.
*Warning* SPAM TRAP set in header, Use email address in sig. if you must.
'Stingo' Albacore #1554 - 15' Uffa Fox designed, All varnished hot
moulded wooden racing dinghy circa. 1961

P.S Gunner, Our london local newspaper is the 'Evening Standard' If he
can email you a photo of the mill with the current issue folded heading
up laying on the table, with a message to you written in marker pen, Its
probably legit, but he has allready said he's out of the country so
would probably have an excuse ready. He'd have to return to prepare it
for shipping though, so any excuse shouldnt hold up.

--
Ian Malcolm. London, ENGLAND. (NEWSGROUP REPLY PREFERRED)
ianm[at]the[dash]malcolms[dot]freeserve[dot]co[dot]uk [at]=@, [dash]=- &
[dot]=.
*Warning* SPAM TRAP set in header, Use email address in sig. if you must.
'Stingo' Albacore #1554 - 15' Uffa Fox designed, All varnished hot
moulded wooden racing dinghy circa. 1961

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 01:21:58 +0000, Ian Malcolm
wrote:

P.S Gunner, Our london local newspaper is the 'Evening Standard' If he
can email you a photo of the mill with the current issue folded heading
up laying on the table, with a message to you written in marker pen, Its
probably legit, but he has allready said he's out of the country so
would probably have an excuse ready. He'd have to return to prepare it
for shipping though, so any excuse shouldnt hold up.

As I indicated..Ive no interest in the mill, but if it was
legit..perhaps someone posting here from the UK might.

Hence I left in the email addy of the seller.

Gunner


"This device is provided without warranty of any kind as to reliability,
accuracy, existence or otherwise or fitness for any particular purpose
and Bioalchemic Products specifically does not warrant, guarantee,
imply or make any representations as to its merchantability for any
particular purpose and furthermore shall have no liability for or
responsibility to you or any other person, entity or deity with respect
to any loss or damage whatsoever caused by this device or object or by
any attempts to destroy it by hammering it against a wall or dropping it
into a deep well or any other means whatsoever and moreover asserts
that you indicate your acceptance of this agreement or any other
agreement that may he substituted at any time by coming within
five miles of the product or observing it through large telescopes or
by any other means because you are such an easily cowed moron
who will happily accept arrogant and unilateral conditions on a piece
of highly priced garbage that you would not dream of accepting on a
bag of dog biscuits and is used solely at your own risk.'

Gunner wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 01:21:58 +0000, Ian Malcolm
wrote:

P.S Gunner, Our london local newspaper is the 'Evening Standard' If he
can email you a photo of the mill with the current issue folded heading
up laying on the table, with a message to you written in marker pen, Its
probably legit, but he has allready said he's out of the country so
would probably have an excuse ready. He'd have to return to prepare it
for shipping though, so any excuse shouldnt hold up.

As I indicated..Ive no interest in the mill,

So why did you bid on it, as you said in your original post?

Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com

Abrasha wrote:


So why did you bid on it, as you said in your original post?

Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com

If you set aside your annoyance with Gunner for a minute and read the
WHOLE original post, you'll see that he bid on a particular mill on
ebay, then received an unsolicited email from another party telling him
they had the same type of mill that they would sell very cheap blah blah
blah.

This is a common scam on the Automotive side of Ebay. My dad received
an similar email after bidding on a skidsteer. Told him he'd sell the
thing for $500 or so less than his bid, AND would ship it by UPS(!)
clear across the country for a deposit, the rest payable after he
received it and inspected it. What a prince!
--
__
Pete Snell
Royal Military College
Kingston Ontario


The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
- George Bernard Shaw

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:20:11 GMT, Abrasha wrote:

Gunner wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 01:21:58 +0000, Ian Malcolm
wrote:

P.S Gunner, Our london local newspaper is the 'Evening Standard' If he
can email you a photo of the mill with the current issue folded heading
up laying on the table, with a message to you written in marker pen, Its
probably legit, but he has allready said he's out of the country so
would probably have an excuse ready. He'd have to return to prepare it
for shipping though, so any excuse shouldnt hold up.

As I indicated..Ive no interest in the mill,

So why did you bid on it, as you said in your original post?

Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com

To get a starting bid in
.. Shrug..I like Steve, he seems to be a good and honorable man, and I
know enough people whom have bought commercial machines from him to now
be able to recommend him. And thats saying a lot in an industry with
more than its fair share of scammers and con artists.

You seem to forget I do machine tool repair/sales/brokering in
commercial shops. My interfacing with HSM guys is for fun and enjoyment.
The other stuff is "work".

Im an individual with feet in both worlds, production shops, and home
shops. Sometimes its interesting to see how both sides handle things.
Ive helped HSM guys do a setup like a pro would do, and Ive passed on
HSM tricks to pros. Two different mindsets using machines doing similar
jobs.

Too bad your not out in California, Id take you to a swiss house and let
you dabble with a Tornos or Bechler screw machine that can turn out the
same part +/- .0001 for weeks at a time, dropping a part every 5 seconds
using 6 tools. Or a Viper gantry mill that is milling at 600 inches per
minute on a billet thats as big as your living room. Where they do tool
offsets by standing in the middle of the work piece, using cigarette
papers and a pendant control with a 25' cable.

Two different worlds, both fun to be involved in.

Gunner


"This device is provided without warranty of any kind as to reliability,
accuracy, existence or otherwise or fitness for any particular purpose
and Bioalchemic Products specifically does not warrant, guarantee,
imply or make any representations as to its merchantability for any
particular purpose and furthermore shall have no liability for or
responsibility to you or any other person, entity or deity with respect
to any loss or damage whatsoever caused by this device or object or by
any attempts to destroy it by hammering it against a wall or dropping it
into a deep well or any other means whatsoever and moreover asserts
that you indicate your acceptance of this agreement or any other
agreement that may he substituted at any time by coming within
five miles of the product or observing it through large telescopes or
by any other means because you are such an easily cowed moron
who will happily accept arrogant and unilateral conditions on a piece
of highly priced garbage that you would not dream of accepting on a
bag of dog biscuits and is used solely at your own risk.'

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 01:21:58 +0000, Ian Malcolm
vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

Actually, he says he will ship it from _here_ (he is in another
country with his wife's father), whereabouts unknown?

hmmmm....

P.S Gunner, Our london local newspaper is the 'Evening Standard' If he
can email you a photo of the mill with the current issue folded heading
up laying on the table, with a message to you written in marker pen, Its
probably legit, but he has allready said he's out of the country so
would probably have an excuse ready. He'd have to return to prepare it
for shipping though, so any excuse shouldnt hold up.

************************************************** ** sorry
remove ns from my header address to reply via email

Spike....Spike? Hello?

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
I tossed in a starting bid on Steve Herrs mill a couple days ago on
eby..and got this email....Not that I can afford this fellows mill ..but
it may be either a scam, or somebody in the UK may be interested.

Just a heads up.

Gunner

I bid on Herrs' virgin Lagun last week, and got an email from the same
"christian_wood", however he offered a "similar machine" located here in the
U.S. not U.K.

I didn't save the email.

Toolbert wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
I tossed in a starting bid on Steve Herrs mill a couple days ago on
eby..and got this email....Not that I can afford this fellows mill ..but
it may be either a scam, or somebody in the UK may be interested.

Just a heads up.

Gunner

I bid on Herrs' virgin Lagun last week, and got an email from the same
"christian_wood", however he offered a "similar machine" located here in the
U.S. not U.K.

I didn't save the email.

According to the info with the mill Gunner posted about, it is located in
Temecula, CA (United satates/Los Angeles). No mention anywhere of U.K.

Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com