Cliff wrote:
Think he's off to jail?

No more than Ted Kennedy after Chappaquiddick. After all, unlike
Kennedy, Cheney didn't kill anyone.

No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com

On 12 Feb 2006 20:42:49 -0800, " wrote:

Cheney didn't kill anyone.

AFAIK Nobody ever claimed he was good at anything.
Perhaps at golf?
--
Cliff

wrote:
Cliff wrote:
Think he's off to jail?

No more than Ted Kennedy after Chappaquiddick. After all, unlike
Kennedy, Cheney didn't kill anyone.

No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com

Not yet you mean?

On Monday, the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department issued a report that
found the main factor contributing to Cheney's hunting accident was a
"hunter's judgment factor."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021400990.html

--
John R. Carroll
Machining Solution Software, Inc.
Los Angeles San Francisco
www.machiningsolution.com

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:17:32 GMT, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:

wrote:
Cliff wrote:
Think he's off to jail?

No more than Ted Kennedy after Chappaquiddick. After all, unlike
Kennedy, Cheney didn't kill anyone.

No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com

Not yet you mean?

On Monday, the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department issued a report that
found the main factor contributing to Cheney's hunting accident was a
"hunter's judgment factor."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021400990.html

Spot Cheney & Bush:
http://www.thehumorwriter.com/Gettin.../sweep-rug.jpg
--
Cliff

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:17:32 GMT, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:

wrote:
Cliff wrote:
Think he's off to jail?

No more than Ted Kennedy after Chappaquiddick. After all, unlike
Kennedy, Cheney didn't kill anyone.

No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com

Not yet you mean?

On Monday, the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department issued a report that
found the main factor contributing to Cheney's hunting accident was a
"hunter's judgment factor."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021400990.html

""After what [Cheney] told us, we concluded it was an accident," Salinas
said."

Same Salinas?
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20001113/magee
--
Cliff

wrote:
Cliff wrote:
Think he's off to jail?

No more than Ted Kennedy after Chappaquiddick. After all, unlike
Kennedy, Cheney didn't kill anyone.




That's the best you can do?

Chappaquidick was 37 years ago.

This is the problem with ideologues. They lose their sense of
objectivity. Guy shoots someone in the face and the ideologues are
running around trying to make excuses for that behavior. Behavior for
which there is no excuse.

Even if he's your guy, if he ****s up, maybe you should say "he ****ed
up".


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

kurgan wrote:
wrote:
Cliff wrote:
Think he's off to jail?

No more than Ted Kennedy after Chappaquiddick. After all, unlike
Kennedy, Cheney didn't kill anyone.




That's the best you can do?

Chappaquidick was 37 years ago.

This is the problem with ideologues. They lose their sense of
objectivity. Guy shoots someone in the face and the ideologues are
running around trying to make excuses for that behavior. Behavior for
which there is no excuse.

Even if he's your guy, if he ****s up, maybe you should say "he ****ed
up".

I can't be sure but don't be surprised to see a public expression of remorse
from Cheney in the near future.
A humble Dick Cheney hasn't been even a rumor until now but unless the guy
truly is inhuman he's more than a little shaken, regardless his outward
demeanor. He shot a friend and, accident or no, he realizes that.


--
John R. Carroll
Machining Solution Software, Inc.
Los Angeles San Francisco
www.machiningsolution.com

John R. Carroll wrote:




That's the best you can do?

Chappaquidick was 37 years ago.

This is the problem with ideologues. They lose their sense of
objectivity. Guy shoots someone in the face and the ideologues are
running around trying to make excuses for that behavior. Behavior for
which there is no excuse.

Even if he's your guy, if he ****s up, maybe you should say "he ****ed
up".

I can't be sure but don't be surprised to see a public expression of remorse
from Cheney in the near future.






He hasn't apologized for accepting the "intelligence" of Ahmed Chalabi
as gospel. The guy makes mistakes, like anyone, but apologizing? Ha.
I'll believe it when I see it.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

"kurgan" wrote in message
ups.com...

John R. Carroll wrote:




That's the best you can do?

Chappaquidick was 37 years ago.

This is the problem with ideologues. They lose their sense of
objectivity. Guy shoots someone in the face and the ideologues are
running around trying to make excuses for that behavior. Behavior for
which there is no excuse.

Even if he's your guy, if he ****s up, maybe you should say "he ****ed
up".

I can't be sure but don't be surprised to see a public expression of
remorse
from Cheney in the near future.






He hasn't apologized for accepting the "intelligence" of Ahmed Chalabi
as gospel. The guy makes mistakes, like anyone, but apologizing? Ha.
I'll believe it when I see it.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

The policy is not to apologize for anything, which goes hand in hand with
their admit no mistakes policy. Admitting mistakes they see as wrong because
they think people will see them as weak. Thus, no matter how badly their
policy goes or how obvious their mistakes are their policy is to just go
ahead as if everything they do is right. As we have seen, there are
definitely some shortcomings to this policy.

"Hawke" wrote in message
...

"kurgan" wrote in message
ups.com...

John R. Carroll wrote:




That's the best you can do?

Chappaquidick was 37 years ago.

This is the problem with ideologues. They lose their sense of
objectivity. Guy shoots someone in the face and the ideologues are
running around trying to make excuses for that behavior. Behavior for
which there is no excuse.

Even if he's your guy, if he ****s up, maybe you should say "he
****ed
up".

I can't be sure but don't be surprised to see a public expression of
remorse
from Cheney in the near future.






He hasn't apologized for accepting the "intelligence" of Ahmed Chalabi
as gospel. The guy makes mistakes, like anyone, but apologizing? Ha.
I'll believe it when I see it.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

The policy is not to apologize for anything, which goes hand in hand with
their admit no mistakes policy. Admitting mistakes they see as wrong
because
they think people will see them as weak. Thus, no matter how badly their
policy goes or how obvious their mistakes are their policy is to just go
ahead as if everything they do is right. As we have seen, there are
definitely some shortcomings to this policy.


Keep drinking your cool aid, hawkee.

On 14 Feb 2006 18:34:25 -0800, "kurgan"
wrote:


John R. Carroll wrote:




That's the best you can do?

Chappaquidick was 37 years ago.

This is the problem with ideologues. They lose their sense of
objectivity. Guy shoots someone in the face and the ideologues are
running around trying to make excuses for that behavior. Behavior for
which there is no excuse.

Even if he's your guy, if he ****s up, maybe you should say "he ****ed
up".

I can't be sure but don't be surprised to see a public expression of remorse
from Cheney in the near future.






He hasn't apologized for accepting the "intelligence" of Ahmed Chalabi
as gospel. The guy makes mistakes, like anyone, but apologizing? Ha.
I'll believe it when I see it.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.


Now that he has..are you going to slit your belly in shame?

Gunner



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:37:33 GMT, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:

A humble Dick Cheney hasn't been even a rumor until now but unless the guy
truly is inhuman he's more than a little shaken, regardless his outward
demeanor.

Seems like he (or an "aide") already mailed a check from Washington for US$ 7
.....
Problem solved.
Unless someone reads the Texas law I suppose.
--
Cliff

On 14 Feb 2006 12:30:09 -0800, "kurgan" wrote:

Cheney didn't kill anyone.

Forgetting something again?
--
Cliff

On 14 Feb 2006 12:30:09 -0800, "kurgan" wrote:

Guy shoots someone in the face

Got him in the heart too.
--
Cliff

On 14 Feb 2006 12:30:09 -0800, "kurgan" wrote:

This is the problem with ideologues. They lose their sense of
objectivity. Guy shoots someone in the face and the ideologues are
running around trying to make excuses for that behavior. Behavior for
which there is no excuse.

Even if he's your guy, if he ****s up, maybe you should say "he ****ed
up".

But "guns make you safer".
--
Cliff

"This is the problem with ideologues. They lose their sense of
objectivity. Guy shoots someone in the face and the ideologues are
running around trying to make excuses for that behavior. Behavior for
which there is no excuse.

Even if he's your guy, if he ****s up, maybe you should say "he ****ed
up". "

You hit the issue front and center...

To admit to such a mistake requires ethics which include honesty and
humility...these are NOT characteristics that one would associate with
this Administration.

More than enough reason for a change of management when the time
comes...

TMT

On 16 Feb 2006 13:02:23 -0800, "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote:

"This is the problem with ideologues. They lose their sense of
objectivity. Guy shoots someone in the face and the ideologues are
running around trying to make excuses for that behavior. Behavior for
which there is no excuse.

Even if he's your guy, if he ****s up, maybe you should say "he ****ed
up". "

He did. But he's not "my guy."

You hit the issue front and center...

To admit to such a mistake requires ethics which include honesty and
humility...these are NOT characteristics that one would associate with
this Administration.

Cheney publicly admitted that he ****ed up.

More than enough reason for a change of management when the time
comes...

Nice try. Better luck next time.

--
Robert Sturgeon
Summum ius summa inuria.
http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/

On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:14:26 -0800, Robert Sturgeon wrote:

Cheney publicly admitted that he ****ed up.

The shrubbie was just so proud of him ......
Now, about those "WMDs", the tortures, the wars of aggression,
the deficits, tax breaks for special interests, cuts in services,
the Katrina disasters, civil & personal rights, religion in government,
etc., etc. ...
--
Cliff

"To admit to such a mistake requires ethics which include honesty and
humility...these are NOT characteristics that one would associate with
this Administration.

Cheney publicly admitted that he ****ed up. "

Nice try...Cheney hesitantly admitted guilt AFTER he was exposed by
others....honest and humble it wasn't. Also note that the spin doctors
are working overtime to conceal the truth....and let us not forget that
he just happened to "forget" letting his boss know about the
incident....sounds like an employee that I wouldn't trust if he was
working for me...which as an elected official he is.

"More than enough reason for a change of management when the time
comes...

Nice try. Better luck next time. "

Finally something we both can agree on...along with the majority of the
public according to the polls. This incident along with the other
ongoing disasters are not helping the GOP chances in 2006.

The GOP is making it easier for the Democrats with each passing day....

TMT

Too_Many_Tools wrote:
snip
The GOP is making it easier for the Democrats with each passing day....


True. Now if the Dems only had something that they're "FOR".

Too_Many_Tools wrote:

"To admit to such a mistake requires ethics which include honesty and

humility...these are NOT characteristics that one would associate with
this Administration.


Cheney publicly admitted that he ****ed up. "

Nice try...Cheney hesitantly admitted guilt AFTER he was exposed by
others....honest and humble it wasn't. Also note that the spin doctors
are working overtime to conceal the truth....and let us not forget that
he just happened to "forget" letting his boss know about the
incident....sounds like an employee that I wouldn't trust if he was
working for me...which as an elected official he is.

"More than enough reason for a change of management when the time

comes...


Nice try. Better luck next time. "

Finally something we both can agree on...along with the majority of the
public according to the polls. This incident along with the other
ongoing disasters are not helping the GOP chances in 2006.

The GOP is making it easier for the Democrats with each passing day....

TMT


Aw, come on guys, there's an election coming up.
The guy HAS to appear human to have any influence.

Otherwise, I suspect the spin would have been that this was a private
matter between friends and not for public consumption...

Richard

98% of Americans are hard working, honest, moral people.
The other 2% we elect to govern.

On 17 Feb 2006 09:24:27 -0800, "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote:

"To admit to such a mistake requires ethics which include honesty and
humility...these are NOT characteristics that one would associate with
this Administration.

Cheney publicly admitted that he ****ed up. "

Nice try...Cheney hesitantly admitted guilt AFTER he was exposed by
others....honest and humble it wasn't. Also note that the spin doctors
are working overtime to conceal the truth....and let us not forget that
he just happened to "forget" letting his boss know about the
incident....sounds like an employee that I wouldn't trust if he was
working for me...which as an elected official he is.

Cheney is working for us. The information wasn't withheld
from us. If it was, this thread wouldn't exist.

"More than enough reason for a change of management when the time
comes...

Nice try. Better luck next time. "

Finally something we both can agree on...along with the majority of the
public according to the polls. This incident along with the other
ongoing disasters are not helping the GOP chances in 2006.

The GOP is making it easier for the Democrats with each passing day....

But the Democrats are busy throwing away their chances as
quickly as the GOP is giving them. I really don't see how
either side expects to win, but I suppose one will. I
wouldn't bet much money on which it might be.

--
Robert Sturgeon
Summum ius summa inuria.
http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/

On 17 Feb 2006 09:24:27 -0800, "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote:

Nice try...Cheney hesitantly admitted guilt AFTER he was exposed by
others....honest and humble it wasn't.

The hospital had probaby already reported the gunshot wounds to the
police and someone told Cheney when he woke up.
I'll bet he was annoyed.

Must be nice getting Air Force2 and some heavy cargo lifters
(to carry the doctors, ambulances, etc.) (C17 or ?) at taxpayer
expense for an outing with lobbiests (and who else?) to kill
little helpless cage-raised birds (and what else?)

Probably almost as good as those pictures of the torture he, Rumsfeld &
the shrubbie love so much ....

Too dumb to classify the shooting as a national secret fast
enough.
--
Cliff

Think he's off to jail?

No more than Ted Kennedy after Chappaquiddick. After all, unlike
Kennedy, Cheney didn't kill anyone.




That's the best you can do?

Chappaquidick was 37 years ago.

This is the problem with ideologues. They lose their sense of
objectivity. Guy shoots someone in the face and the ideologues are
running around trying to make excuses for that behavior. Behavior for
which there is no excuse.

Even if he's your guy, if he ****s up, maybe you should say "he ****ed
up".


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

Those guys never own up to it when it's one of theirs who screws up. They
have too much invested to ever admit to one of their team making a mistake.
They always do exactly the same thing. Whenever anyone points out that one
of them screwed up instead of admitting it or apologizing they always say,
"well, look what the other side's guy did". They did worse than we did, as
if two wrongs make a right.

They keep doing this with Kennedy. Everyone knows that when he was young
Kennedy was out screwing around, drinking, and got a woman killed. It was
inexcusable and it's about the worst kind of mistake a person can make. But
it was nearly 40 years ago. He has gone on to do a few things since then.
But to those guys the one screw up he did years ago is the defining moment
of his life and they never let him hear the end of it. Funny isn't it that
you never hear them say anything about Laura Bush's running a stop sign and
killing a guy though. She made a mistake and someone died as a result but
since she's a republican all is forgiven. Most people can see the hypocrisy
in this as easy as pie. Not republicans though.

Hawke

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:44:13 -0800, "Hawke" wrote:

Everyone knows that when he was young
Kennedy was out screwing around, drinking, and got a woman killed.

Cheney is old and the almost-killed was a lawyer.
Not counting the troops in Iraq, Afghanistan or all the citizens
thereof ..
--
Cliff

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:44:13 -0800, "Hawke" wrote:

Funny isn't it that
you never hear them say anything about Laura Bush's running a stop sign and
killing a guy though. She made a mistake and someone died as a result but
since she's a republican all is forgiven. Most people can see the hypocrisy
in this as easy as pie. Not republicans though.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3910b26e685a.htm

"The police report indicates no charges were filed. That section of the report
was left blank."
--
Cliff

On 14 Feb 2006 12:30:09 -0800, "kurgan"
wrote:


wrote:
Cliff wrote:
Think he's off to jail?

No more than Ted Kennedy after Chappaquiddick. After all, unlike
Kennedy, Cheney didn't kill anyone.




That's the best you can do?

Chappaquidick was 37 years ago.

This is the problem with ideologues. They lose their sense of
objectivity. Guy shoots someone in the face and the ideologues are
running around trying to make excuses for that behavior. Behavior for
which there is no excuse.

Even if he's your guy, if he ****s up, maybe you should say "he ****ed
up".


thanks,

K. Gringioni.


So waiting 9 hours before reporting that he had just murdered his
pregnant girl friend while drunk..was simply a "****up
for Teddy the K?

Gunner



"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences."
- Proverbs 22:3

On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 06:38:49 GMT, Gunner wrote:

So waiting 9 hours before reporting that he had just murdered his
pregnant girl friend while drunk..was simply a "****up
for Teddy the K?

CLUE: ~ 9 24.

HTH
--
Cliff