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Cliff wrote:
Think he's off to jail? No more than Ted Kennedy after Chappaquiddick. After all, unlike Kennedy, Cheney didn't kill anyone. No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com |
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On 12 Feb 2006 20:42:49 -0800, " wrote:
Cheney didn't kill anyone. AFAIK Nobody ever claimed he was good at anything. Perhaps at golf? -- Cliff |
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kurgan wrote:
wrote: Cliff wrote: Think he's off to jail? No more than Ted Kennedy after Chappaquiddick. After all, unlike Kennedy, Cheney didn't kill anyone. That's the best you can do? Chappaquidick was 37 years ago. This is the problem with ideologues. They lose their sense of objectivity. Guy shoots someone in the face and the ideologues are running around trying to make excuses for that behavior. Behavior for which there is no excuse. Even if he's your guy, if he ****s up, maybe you should say "he ****ed up". I can't be sure but don't be surprised to see a public expression of remorse from Cheney in the near future. A humble Dick Cheney hasn't been even a rumor until now but unless the guy truly is inhuman he's more than a little shaken, regardless his outward demeanor. He shot a friend and, accident or no, he realizes that. -- John R. Carroll Machining Solution Software, Inc. Los Angeles San Francisco www.machiningsolution.com |
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John R. Carroll wrote: That's the best you can do? Chappaquidick was 37 years ago. This is the problem with ideologues. They lose their sense of objectivity. Guy shoots someone in the face and the ideologues are running around trying to make excuses for that behavior. Behavior for which there is no excuse. Even if he's your guy, if he ****s up, maybe you should say "he ****ed up". I can't be sure but don't be surprised to see a public expression of remorse from Cheney in the near future. He hasn't apologized for accepting the "intelligence" of Ahmed Chalabi as gospel. The guy makes mistakes, like anyone, but apologizing? Ha. I'll believe it when I see it. thanks, K. Gringioni. |
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:17:32 GMT, "John R. Carroll"
wrote: wrote: Cliff wrote: Think he's off to jail? No more than Ted Kennedy after Chappaquiddick. After all, unlike Kennedy, Cheney didn't kill anyone. No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com Not yet you mean? On Monday, the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department issued a report that found the main factor contributing to Cheney's hunting accident was a "hunter's judgment factor." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021400990.html Spot Cheney & Bush: http://www.thehumorwriter.com/Gettin.../sweep-rug.jpg -- Cliff |
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:17:32 GMT, "John R. Carroll"
wrote: wrote: Cliff wrote: Think he's off to jail? No more than Ted Kennedy after Chappaquiddick. After all, unlike Kennedy, Cheney didn't kill anyone. No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com Not yet you mean? On Monday, the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department issued a report that found the main factor contributing to Cheney's hunting accident was a "hunter's judgment factor." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...021400990.html ""After what [Cheney] told us, we concluded it was an accident," Salinas said." Same Salinas? http://www.thenation.com/doc/20001113/magee -- Cliff |
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On 14 Feb 2006 12:30:09 -0800, "kurgan" wrote:
Cheney didn't kill anyone. Forgetting something again? -- Cliff |
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On 14 Feb 2006 12:30:09 -0800, "kurgan" wrote:
Guy shoots someone in the face Got him in the heart too. -- Cliff |
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On 14 Feb 2006 12:30:09 -0800, "kurgan" wrote:
This is the problem with ideologues. They lose their sense of objectivity. Guy shoots someone in the face and the ideologues are running around trying to make excuses for that behavior. Behavior for which there is no excuse. Even if he's your guy, if he ****s up, maybe you should say "he ****ed up". But "guns make you safer". -- Cliff |
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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:37:33 GMT, "John R. Carroll"
wrote: A humble Dick Cheney hasn't been even a rumor until now but unless the guy truly is inhuman he's more than a little shaken, regardless his outward demeanor. Seems like he (or an "aide") already mailed a check from Washington for US$ 7 ..... Problem solved. Unless someone reads the Texas law I suppose. -- Cliff |
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"This is the problem with ideologues. They lose their sense of
objectivity. Guy shoots someone in the face and the ideologues are running around trying to make excuses for that behavior. Behavior for which there is no excuse. Even if he's your guy, if he ****s up, maybe you should say "he ****ed up". " You hit the issue front and center... To admit to such a mistake requires ethics which include honesty and humility...these are NOT characteristics that one would associate with this Administration. More than enough reason for a change of management when the time comes... TMT |
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On 16 Feb 2006 13:02:23 -0800, "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote: "This is the problem with ideologues. They lose their sense of objectivity. Guy shoots someone in the face and the ideologues are running around trying to make excuses for that behavior. Behavior for which there is no excuse. Even if he's your guy, if he ****s up, maybe you should say "he ****ed up". " He did. But he's not "my guy." You hit the issue front and center... To admit to such a mistake requires ethics which include honesty and humility...these are NOT characteristics that one would associate with this Administration. Cheney publicly admitted that he ****ed up. More than enough reason for a change of management when the time comes... Nice try. Better luck next time. -- Robert Sturgeon Summum ius summa inuria. http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/ |
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:14:26 -0800, Robert Sturgeon wrote:
Cheney publicly admitted that he ****ed up. The shrubbie was just so proud of him ...... Now, about those "WMDs", the tortures, the wars of aggression, the deficits, tax breaks for special interests, cuts in services, the Katrina disasters, civil & personal rights, religion in government, etc., etc. ... -- Cliff |
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"To admit to such a mistake requires ethics which include honesty and
humility...these are NOT characteristics that one would associate with this Administration. Cheney publicly admitted that he ****ed up. " Nice try...Cheney hesitantly admitted guilt AFTER he was exposed by others....honest and humble it wasn't. Also note that the spin doctors are working overtime to conceal the truth....and let us not forget that he just happened to "forget" letting his boss know about the incident....sounds like an employee that I wouldn't trust if he was working for me...which as an elected official he is. "More than enough reason for a change of management when the time comes... Nice try. Better luck next time. " Finally something we both can agree on...along with the majority of the public according to the polls. This incident along with the other ongoing disasters are not helping the GOP chances in 2006. The GOP is making it easier for the Democrats with each passing day.... TMT |
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Too_Many_Tools wrote: snip The GOP is making it easier for the Democrats with each passing day.... True. Now if the Dems only had something that they're "FOR". |
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In misc.survivalism Gus wrote:
Too_Many_Tools wrote: snip The GOP is making it easier for the Democrats with each passing day.... True. Now if the Dems only had something that they're "FOR". Amen. The Dems have been the Pug's best friends for years. I really hope that they find folks who are not merely Pug-lites to nominate. Here's some issues that they might get traction on: Stopping Illegal Immigration Revamping FEMA Stopping Patriot Act-type abuses Balancing the budget Restoring our position in the world Growing the Middle Class Ensuring the rights of average Americans Auditing the Pug's cronyism WRT Government contracts Increasing Government support for R&D and basic science research Increasing opportunities for College for all qualified kids Fixing public education Protecting the health of kids born to moron parents But instead, I suspect that they will try these: We too are rough-tough manly men! We're against Terrorism too! We too like low taxes, and we too will not burden you with the future repurcussions of such a policy! We are just as uncomfortable around gays as the Pugs! We too do not want to appear defeated in Iraq! We will do everything the Pugs do, but maybe a little bit better! I wish we had 4 or 5 viable political parties in this country. Neither the Pugs nor the Dems have much to recommend. -- A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. --Edward R. Murrow |
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Too_Many_Tools wrote:
"To admit to such a mistake requires ethics which include honesty and humility...these are NOT characteristics that one would associate with this Administration. Cheney publicly admitted that he ****ed up. " Nice try...Cheney hesitantly admitted guilt AFTER he was exposed by others....honest and humble it wasn't. Also note that the spin doctors are working overtime to conceal the truth....and let us not forget that he just happened to "forget" letting his boss know about the incident....sounds like an employee that I wouldn't trust if he was working for me...which as an elected official he is. "More than enough reason for a change of management when the time comes... Nice try. Better luck next time. " Finally something we both can agree on...along with the majority of the public according to the polls. This incident along with the other ongoing disasters are not helping the GOP chances in 2006. The GOP is making it easier for the Democrats with each passing day.... TMT Aw, come on guys, there's an election coming up. The guy HAS to appear human to have any influence. Otherwise, I suspect the spin would have been that this was a private matter between friends and not for public consumption... Richard 98% of Americans are hard working, honest, moral people. The other 2% we elect to govern. |
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On 17 Feb 2006 09:24:27 -0800, "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote: "To admit to such a mistake requires ethics which include honesty and humility...these are NOT characteristics that one would associate with this Administration. Cheney publicly admitted that he ****ed up. " Nice try...Cheney hesitantly admitted guilt AFTER he was exposed by others....honest and humble it wasn't. Also note that the spin doctors are working overtime to conceal the truth....and let us not forget that he just happened to "forget" letting his boss know about the incident....sounds like an employee that I wouldn't trust if he was working for me...which as an elected official he is. Cheney is working for us. The information wasn't withheld from us. If it was, this thread wouldn't exist. "More than enough reason for a change of management when the time comes... Nice try. Better luck next time. " Finally something we both can agree on...along with the majority of the public according to the polls. This incident along with the other ongoing disasters are not helping the GOP chances in 2006. The GOP is making it easier for the Democrats with each passing day.... But the Democrats are busy throwing away their chances as quickly as the GOP is giving them. I really don't see how either side expects to win, but I suppose one will. I wouldn't bet much money on which it might be. -- Robert Sturgeon Summum ius summa inuria. http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/ |
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You know when you have upset Cheney when he invites you to a hunting
trip with him. |
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On 17 Feb 2006 09:24:27 -0800, "Too_Many_Tools"
wrote: Nice try...Cheney hesitantly admitted guilt AFTER he was exposed by others....honest and humble it wasn't. The hospital had probaby already reported the gunshot wounds to the police and someone told Cheney when he woke up. I'll bet he was annoyed. Must be nice getting Air Force2 and some heavy cargo lifters (to carry the doctors, ambulances, etc.) (C17 or ?) at taxpayer expense for an outing with lobbiests (and who else?) to kill little helpless cage-raised birds (and what else?) Probably almost as good as those pictures of the torture he, Rumsfeld & the shrubbie love so much .... Too dumb to classify the shooting as a national secret fast enough. -- Cliff |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:54:49 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
Auditing the Pug's cronyism WRT Government contracts ~ 100 BILLION US$ missing in Iraq? -- Cliff |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:12:24 GMT, Richard Lamb wrote:
The guy HAS to appear human to have any influence. Betting on a third term are you? -- Cliff |
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Cliff wrote:
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:12:24 GMT, Richard Lamb wrote: The guy HAS to appear human to have any influence. Betting on a third term are you? Influence, Cliff. Coat tails? |
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Think he's off to jail? No more than Ted Kennedy after Chappaquiddick. After all, unlike Kennedy, Cheney didn't kill anyone. That's the best you can do? Chappaquidick was 37 years ago. This is the problem with ideologues. They lose their sense of objectivity. Guy shoots someone in the face and the ideologues are running around trying to make excuses for that behavior. Behavior for which there is no excuse. Even if he's your guy, if he ****s up, maybe you should say "he ****ed up". thanks, K. Gringioni. Those guys never own up to it when it's one of theirs who screws up. They have too much invested to ever admit to one of their team making a mistake. They always do exactly the same thing. Whenever anyone points out that one of them screwed up instead of admitting it or apologizing they always say, "well, look what the other side's guy did". They did worse than we did, as if two wrongs make a right. They keep doing this with Kennedy. Everyone knows that when he was young Kennedy was out screwing around, drinking, and got a woman killed. It was inexcusable and it's about the worst kind of mistake a person can make. But it was nearly 40 years ago. He has gone on to do a few things since then. But to those guys the one screw up he did years ago is the defining moment of his life and they never let him hear the end of it. Funny isn't it that you never hear them say anything about Laura Bush's running a stop sign and killing a guy though. She made a mistake and someone died as a result but since she's a republican all is forgiven. Most people can see the hypocrisy in this as easy as pie. Not republicans though. Hawke |
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"kurgan" wrote in message ups.com... John R. Carroll wrote: That's the best you can do? Chappaquidick was 37 years ago. This is the problem with ideologues. They lose their sense of objectivity. Guy shoots someone in the face and the ideologues are running around trying to make excuses for that behavior. Behavior for which there is no excuse. Even if he's your guy, if he ****s up, maybe you should say "he ****ed up". I can't be sure but don't be surprised to see a public expression of remorse from Cheney in the near future. He hasn't apologized for accepting the "intelligence" of Ahmed Chalabi as gospel. The guy makes mistakes, like anyone, but apologizing? Ha. I'll believe it when I see it. thanks, K. Gringioni. The policy is not to apologize for anything, which goes hand in hand with their admit no mistakes policy. Admitting mistakes they see as wrong because they think people will see them as weak. Thus, no matter how badly their policy goes or how obvious their mistakes are their policy is to just go ahead as if everything they do is right. As we have seen, there are definitely some shortcomings to this policy. |
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"Gus" wrote in message oups.com... Too_Many_Tools wrote: snip The GOP is making it easier for the Democrats with each passing day.... True. Now if the Dems only had something that they're "FOR". I know what you mean. When all the Democrats can say is at least we're not as ****ty as they are it's not very inspiring. Hawke |
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"Hawke" wrote in message ... "kurgan" wrote in message ups.com... John R. Carroll wrote: That's the best you can do? Chappaquidick was 37 years ago. This is the problem with ideologues. They lose their sense of objectivity. Guy shoots someone in the face and the ideologues are running around trying to make excuses for that behavior. Behavior for which there is no excuse. Even if he's your guy, if he ****s up, maybe you should say "he ****ed up". I can't be sure but don't be surprised to see a public expression of remorse from Cheney in the near future. He hasn't apologized for accepting the "intelligence" of Ahmed Chalabi as gospel. The guy makes mistakes, like anyone, but apologizing? Ha. I'll believe it when I see it. thanks, K. Gringioni. The policy is not to apologize for anything, which goes hand in hand with their admit no mistakes policy. Admitting mistakes they see as wrong because they think people will see them as weak. Thus, no matter how badly their policy goes or how obvious their mistakes are their policy is to just go ahead as if everything they do is right. As we have seen, there are definitely some shortcomings to this policy. Keep drinking your cool aid, hawkee. |
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"Robert Sturgeon" wrote in message ... On 17 Feb 2006 09:24:27 -0800, "Too_Many_Tools" wrote: "To admit to such a mistake requires ethics which include honesty and humility...these are NOT characteristics that one would associate with this Administration. Cheney publicly admitted that he ****ed up. " Nice try...Cheney hesitantly admitted guilt AFTER he was exposed by others....honest and humble it wasn't. Also note that the spin doctors are working overtime to conceal the truth....and let us not forget that he just happened to "forget" letting his boss know about the incident....sounds like an employee that I wouldn't trust if he was working for me...which as an elected official he is. Cheney is working for us. The information wasn't withheld from us. If it was, this thread wouldn't exist. "More than enough reason for a change of management when the time comes... Nice try. Better luck next time. " Finally something we both can agree on...along with the majority of the public according to the polls. This incident along with the other ongoing disasters are not helping the GOP chances in 2006. The GOP is making it easier for the Democrats with each passing day.... But the Democrats are busy throwing away their chances as quickly as the GOP is giving them. I really don't see how either side expects to win, but I suppose one will. I wouldn't bet much money on which it might be. It's like which would you rather have dumb or dumber? Hawke |
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On 14 Feb 2006 12:30:09 -0800, "kurgan"
wrote: wrote: Cliff wrote: Think he's off to jail? No more than Ted Kennedy after Chappaquiddick. After all, unlike Kennedy, Cheney didn't kill anyone. That's the best you can do? Chappaquidick was 37 years ago. This is the problem with ideologues. They lose their sense of objectivity. Guy shoots someone in the face and the ideologues are running around trying to make excuses for that behavior. Behavior for which there is no excuse. Even if he's your guy, if he ****s up, maybe you should say "he ****ed up". thanks, K. Gringioni. So waiting 9 hours before reporting that he had just murdered his pregnant girl friend while drunk..was simply a "****up for Teddy the K? Gunner "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 |
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On 14 Feb 2006 18:34:25 -0800, "kurgan"
wrote: John R. Carroll wrote: That's the best you can do? Chappaquidick was 37 years ago. This is the problem with ideologues. They lose their sense of objectivity. Guy shoots someone in the face and the ideologues are running around trying to make excuses for that behavior. Behavior for which there is no excuse. Even if he's your guy, if he ****s up, maybe you should say "he ****ed up". I can't be sure but don't be surprised to see a public expression of remorse from Cheney in the near future. He hasn't apologized for accepting the "intelligence" of Ahmed Chalabi as gospel. The guy makes mistakes, like anyone, but apologizing? Ha. I'll believe it when I see it. thanks, K. Gringioni. Now that he has..are you going to slit your belly in shame? Gunner "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 |
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On 17 Feb 2006 09:27:35 -0800, "Gus" wrote:
Too_Many_Tools wrote: snip The GOP is making it easier for the Democrats with each passing day.... True. Now if the Dems only had something that they're "FOR". ****..the DNC is a sinking ship. The remaining rats who have not taken to the lifeboats yet, are standing on the fantail and cursing the ocean. But..the ocean always wins. Gunner "A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3 |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:44:13 -0800, "Hawke" wrote:
Everyone knows that when he was young Kennedy was out screwing around, drinking, and got a woman killed. Cheney is old and the almost-killed was a lawyer. Not counting the troops in Iraq, Afghanistan or all the citizens thereof .. -- Cliff |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:44:13 -0800, "Hawke" wrote:
Funny isn't it that you never hear them say anything about Laura Bush's running a stop sign and killing a guy though. She made a mistake and someone died as a result but since she's a republican all is forgiven. Most people can see the hypocrisy in this as easy as pie. Not republicans though. http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3910b26e685a.htm "The police report indicates no charges were filed. That section of the report was left blank." -- Cliff |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:59:37 -0500, "Tm" wrote:
Keep drinking your cool aid, hawkee. So which lie is true? Found those "WMDs" yet? -- Cliff |
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On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 06:38:49 GMT, Gunner wrote:
So waiting 9 hours before reporting that he had just murdered his pregnant girl friend while drunk..was simply a "****up for Teddy the K? CLUE: ~ 9 24. HTH -- Cliff |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:00:29 -0800, "Hawke"
wrote: (snips) It's like which would you rather have dumb or dumber? I'd rather have dumb. The Democrats are even dumber. But then, being dumber, they can do less damage. Unless they get control of the tax policy. Then they can really screw things up. -- Robert Sturgeon Summum ius summa inuria. http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/ |
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In misc.survivalism Gunner wrote:
****..the DNC is a sinking ship. The remaining rats who have not taken to the lifeboats yet, are standing on the fantail and cursing the ocean. But..the ocean always wins. The same thing was said when Gingrich et. al. took power. It didn't happen. I think that the two established parties are too big and too entrenched to just "sink" like a steel ship in the ocean. They are going to be around for a LONG time (compared to you and me). -- A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. --Edward R. Murrow |
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Hawke wrote:
"Gus" wrote in message oups.com... Too_Many_Tools wrote: snip The GOP is making it easier for the Democrats with each passing day.... True. Now if the Dems only had something that they're "FOR". I know what you mean. When all the Democrats can say is at least we're not as ****ty as they are it's not very inspiring. In the last election the platform was basically "our moron is smarter than their moron". Personally I decided "better the moron you know than the moron you don't". Hawke -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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