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I was going to say that it looks like a tool for measuring your tool
until I viewed more pictures after scrolling down. Now, I'm not sure.

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581 looks very much like an early cylinder bore gauge.

583 A castellated nut.

584 Tobacco cutter?

585 Chain Loader Binder

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Is that a drill or boring device?

Or is it Gort's tool? Gort! B'ringa! Woo Woo!

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585. End view of a paint stirrer


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581. ?

582. ?

583. Castellated Nut

584. Drawn Knife

585. Forgot what they are called, you tighten loads on trucks with them.



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582 is a book dart (clips onto page as a bookmark)
583 is a crown nut, used with a cotter pin
585 is a lever load binder
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582. Paper clip book marks.
583. Castle Nut minus the cotter pin.
585. Chain cinch
586. Paint stirrer


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582 clip for $
584 working end of chipping block

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#582: a brass or copper bookmark. It slides over the edge of the page.

That's it for me this time. Well, 583 is some sort of nut, but what
kind I have no idea...


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585. End view of a paint stirrer


You mean 586, and I think it's a blower wheel... for something.

http://images.google.com/images?q=blower+wheel
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582. Bookmark
583. Self-threader
584. Tobacco cutter [needs board]
585. [Logging] chain tightener/clamp

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581 - an inside micrometer that measures in fractions and a holder,
possibly for bore measurements.

582 - page markers, copper, available from Lee Valley

583 - Castelated nut

586 - looks like a squirrel cage blower fan.

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On Thu, 09 Feb 2006 08:40:36 +0000, R.H. wrote:

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583: Castle nut - the bolt has a hole for a cotter pin, which goes through
the appropriate slot, and holds the nut in place.

585: a "Come-along" - the two hooks hook to chains that need to have
tension applied - the long handle gives you leverage, and the interesting
clevis arrangement toggles and holds it in the retracted position.

586: looks like the end view of a small squirrel-cage blower.

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581 - bore gauge
582 - paper dart
583 - castellated nut 3/8" 18 zinc plated
584 - Part of a tobacco cutter
584 - Chain binder
585 - mud mixer (can also be used for paint)




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583: Castle nut - the bolt has a hole for a cotter pin, which goes through
the appropriate slot, and holds the nut in place.

585: a "Come-along" - the two hooks hook to chains that need to have
tension applied - the long handle gives you leverage, and the interesting
clevis arrangement toggles and holds it in the retracted position.

586: looks like the end view of a small squirrel-cage blower.


583 Not to start a pi**in' contest, but the correct term is "Castellated"
nut, although commonly called castle nut. Most familiar use is in the front
suspension & steering of cars/trucks to insure nothing vibrates loose.

585 Generally called a "chain binder" or "load binder", very familiar to
anyone around the flatbed trucking business. Used to securely tie down those
steel coils, loads of pipe, lumber, logs, etc. The long handle is indeed for
extra leverage, but it's not enough when tying down a heavy load, which is
why they make cheater bars, apiece of pipe about 3' long that you put over
the handle to get the extra leverage needed.

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O.K. As usual, posting from rec.crafts.metalworking:

581) Internal micrometer thimble, with a fixture to
hold it where the measurement is needed.

It appears to be calibrated in fractional inch sizes, starting
at 2-11/16" and going up to somewhere larger than 3-3/16".

The thimble looks to be calibrated in 1/16 of the 1/16" steps,
or 1/256th of an inch.

Given the size range, and the presence of the word "oversizes"
on the device, I would suggest that this was used for measuring
the bores of engine cylinders.

582) Bookmarks, or to be set at the edge of a piece of paper,
pointing to a particular line on the paper.

583) Castlelated nut -- used on a bolt or a stud with a cross-drilled
hole and with a cotter pin placed through the hole between the
projections and bent to hold it in position to prevent the nut
from changing position. Commonly used when the proper setting
is not tight enough to prevent the nut from shifting due to
vibration. An example (though this is too small for that task)
is the nut holding the outer bearing on a front wheel assembly
of a car (without front-wheel drive).

584) It looks as though the loop to the right originally terminated
in another handle, pointed parallel to the first, I suspect,
and held in place by a screw, so the operator's hand is inside
the curve.

Some kind of wood shaving tool, but I'm not sure what specific
operation this particular shape is good for.

585) Load binder. The hooks hold chain links, and the handle pulls
the two hooks closer together, to tighten a chain over a heavy
piece of equipment on a flatbed trailer or similar situation,
where you need the load to be firmly controlled so it does not
slide off the trailer.

There are ratcheting devices for flat belts to perform similar
functions, though with somewhat less force.

586) Hmm ... it is viewing into the end of a squirrel-cage blower,
a rather small one. But I can't think of a specific tool on
which this would be exposed as shown.

I guess that it (if run at a lower speed) might be good for
stirring paint or something similar.

Or -- it might be held close to a fire you are trying to start,
I guess.

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584 Tobacco cutter?


I think that you're right. The hole in the end would thus
secure it to the chopping block, allowing one hand to operate it, and
the other hand to move the tobacco.

So my (already posted) answer is now more likely to be wrong.

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Joe Barta wrote:
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585. End view of a paint stirrer


You mean 586, and I think it's a blower wheel... for something.

http://images.google.com/images?q=blower+wheel

Yes, I did mean #586 but no, not a blower wheel. OP remarked that it is
a "tool that can be found in most large hardware stores". It's a paint
stirrer - I've seen one before...
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Stephen Young wrote:

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585. End view of a paint stirrer


You mean 586, and I think it's a blower wheel... for something.

http://images.google.com/images?q=blower+wheel

Yes, I did mean #586 but no, not a blower wheel. OP remarked that
it is a "tool that can be found in most large hardware stores".
It's a paint stirrer - I've seen one before...


Yeah, that was my first thought... I've seen that type of paint stir
before. I suppose it just seemed *more* like a blower wheel... but
you're probably right.

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#528, A paper clip.

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#583, Lock nut for use with a cotter pin. Or maybe and axle nut.

#585, Chain tensioner, for tightening down chains that hold loads.

#586, Squirrel cage fan.
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581. I'm guessing a pipe or cylinder bore gauge designed to be used with the
cylinder horizontal. The holder and tool would be slid into the cylinder so
that the bottom edges of the holder rested along the bore. This would keep
the tool perpendicular to the bore and exactly on a diameter. The tool can
be adjusted until it's a sliding fit and then removed to read it either
directly off its own scale for rough measurements or more exactly with a
micrometer across the tool.

The way the mass appears to be distributed I doubt if it could be used
easily with a vertical bore. It looks like it would just pivot over centre
and the tool fall out unless you held the tool with one hand while inserting
the whole thing with the other.

It looks a bit clumsy and much less accurate than a dial bore gauge or
telescopic gauge so maybe it's nothing to do with bores at all and is for
measuring a gap in some specific piece of machinery.
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583 Not to start a pi**in' contest, but the correct term is "Castellated"
nut, although commonly called castle nut. Most familiar use is in the front
suspension & steering of cars/trucks to insure nothing vibrates loose.



Sorry, not true. You have the name right but the usage wrong. Slotted
nuts are used on truck and automotive spindles, not Castellated nuts.
There is a difference.

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583) Castlelated nut -- used on a bolt or a stud with a cross-drilled
hole and with a cotter pin placed through the hole between the
projections and bent to hold it in position to prevent the nut
from changing position. Commonly used when the proper setting
is not tight enough to prevent the nut from shifting due to
vibration. An example (though this is too small for that task)
is the nut holding the outer bearing on a front wheel assembly
of a car (without front-wheel drive).


Nope, that's where slotted nuts are used. Not Castelated. There is a
difference.

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583) Castlelated nut -- used on a bolt or a stud with a cross-drilled
hole and with a cotter pin placed through the hole between the
projections and bent to hold it in position to prevent the nut
from changing position. Commonly used when the proper setting
is not tight enough to prevent the nut from shifting due to
vibration. An example (though this is too small for that task)
is the nut holding the outer bearing on a front wheel assembly
of a car (without front-wheel drive).


Nope, that's where slotted nuts are used. Not Castelated. There is a
difference.


The only difference is that strictly speaking a castellated nut has a
cylindrical section above the hexagonal part (as in the case of 583) and a
slotted nut doesn't. I reckon most mechanics and engineers would
automatically call both types a castellated nut though and be unaware of the
somewhat pedantic difference.

Both types are designed for use with a split pin but the cylindrical part of
a castellated nut makes it easier to wrap the split pin ends round the nut.
Castellated nuts most certainly are used on automotive axles. You tend to
see slotted nuts more on ball joints and other suspension parts. However
probably the most common way of holding an adjustable type wheel bearing is
a plain nut and the split pin goes through a pressed steel nut retainer
which can be rotated to best line up with the split pin hole without
altering the nut setting. The non adjustable wheel bearings tend to be
torqued up to very high settings and a flange at the top of the nut is then
staked into a notch on the axle so no split pin is used.

http://www.vespamaintenance.com/body/rbrake/

There's a pic of what is clearly a castellated nut on the wheel hub of a
Vespa - all I could find online at short notice.
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583) Castlelated nut -- used on a bolt or a stud with a cross-drilled
hole and with a cotter pin placed through the hole between the
projections and bent to hold it in position to prevent the nut
from changing position. Commonly used when the proper setting
is not tight enough to prevent the nut from shifting due to
vibration. An example (though this is too small for that task)
is the nut holding the outer bearing on a front wheel assembly
of a car (without front-wheel drive).




Nope, that's where slotted nuts are used. Not Castelated. There is a
difference.



The only difference is that strictly speaking a castellated nut has a
cylindrical section above the hexagonal part (as in the case of 583) and a
slotted nut doesn't. I reckon most mechanics and engineers would
automatically call both types a castellated nut though and be unaware of the
somewhat pedantic difference.

Both types are designed for use with a split pin but the cylindrical part of
a castellated nut makes it easier to wrap the split pin ends round the nut.
Castellated nuts most certainly are used on automotive axles. You tend to
see slotted nuts more on ball joints and other suspension parts. However
probably the most common way of holding an adjustable type wheel bearing is
a plain nut and the split pin goes through a pressed steel nut retainer
which can be rotated to best line up with the split pin hole without
altering the nut setting. The non adjustable wheel bearings tend to be
torqued up to very high settings and a flange at the top of the nut is then
staked into a notch on the axle so no split pin is used.

http://www.vespamaintenance.com/body/rbrake/

There's a pic of what is clearly a castellated nut on the wheel hub of a
Vespa - all I could find online at short notice.
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It's going to be more of a rarity these days, seeing a castellated nut
in an automotive situation. Heavy trucks still use a lot of slotted
nuts and double nuts with lock rings. Ford came out with a spring
loaded nut / washer assembly. There is no common way these days. Most
manufacturers have gone to a sealed bearing hub with removable hats,
although some of those hubs will have a slotted nut for the 4x4 axle.
As for split or cotter pins, wrapping around the nut isn't always how it
is to be done. Sometimes one leg will come back over the axle while the
other might be cut or bent out of the way. Depends on the pin design.

Most mechanics would know the difference between the two nuts. They
just won't care. If it came off, it goes back on.

So, yeah they were used. But not much these days. Somewhat like clutch
head bolts and screws. When was the last time you seen one of those
come out on a new product??
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583 Not to start a pi**in' contest, but the correct term is "Castellated"
nut, although commonly called castle nut. Most familiar use is in the front
suspension & steering of cars/trucks to insure nothing vibrates loose.



Sorry, not true. You have the name right but the usage wrong. Slotted
nuts are used on truck and automotive spindles, not Castellated nuts.
There is a difference.

snip



I suggest you consult a dictionary for the meaning of castellated,
a hint, it has nothing to do with truck & automotive spindles.

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nuts are used on truck and automotive spindles, not Castellated nuts.
There is a difference.


Oh I have a story about those, involving a boss's VW, a rear tire, a
cotter pin, an intersection, and the front fender of an innocent SUV.

And it's wood related, because I was on summer break in college helping
someone build their home.

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Once again they've all been answered correctly:





581. Old micrometer for automobile cylinders

582. Book darts

583. Castellated nut

584. Block knife or chopper, could be used for tobacco but is also for
other crops as well.

585. Load binder

586. Squirrel mixer



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583 Not to start a pi**in' contest, but the correct term is
"Castellated" nut, although commonly called castle nut. Most familiar use
is in the front suspension & steering of cars/trucks to insure nothing
vibrates loose.



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Tom wrote:

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583 Not to start a pi**in' contest, but the correct term is "Castellated"
nut, although commonly called castle nut. Most familiar use is in the front
suspension & steering of cars/trucks to insure nothing vibrates loose.




Sorry, not true. You have the name right but the usage wrong. Slotted
nuts are used on truck and automotive spindles, not Castellated nuts.
There is a difference.



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I suggest you consult a dictionary for the meaning of castellated,
a hint, it has nothing to do with truck & automotive spindles.

Tom



Didn't I post that??
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Tom wrote:

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Norman D. Crow wrote:



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583 Not to start a pi**in' contest, but the correct term is "Castellated"
nut, although commonly called castle nut. Most familiar use is in the front
suspension & steering of cars/trucks to insure nothing vibrates loose.




Sorry, not true. You have the name right but the usage wrong. Slotted
nuts are used on truck and automotive spindles, not Castellated nuts.
There is a difference.



snip





I suggest you consult a dictionary for the meaning of castellated,
a hint, it has nothing to do with truck & automotive spindles.

Tom



Didn't I post that??


No, you posted something about "slotted" nuts which was
entirely irrelevant.
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Tom wrote:

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Tom wrote:



Mark and Kim Smith wrote:




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583 Not to start a pi**in' contest, but the correct term is "Castellated"
nut, although commonly called castle nut. Most familiar use is in the front
suspension & steering of cars/trucks to insure nothing vibrates loose.






Sorry, not true. You have the name right but the usage wrong. Slotted
nuts are used on truck and automotive spindles, not Castellated nuts.
There is a difference.





snip






I suggest you consult a dictionary for the meaning of castellated,
a hint, it has nothing to do with truck & automotive spindles.

Tom




Didn't I post that??



No, you posted something about "slotted" nuts which was
entirely irrelevant.



How's that?? The previous poster said that castellated nuts were used
in automotive applications, steering and suspension. I said they are
not ( similar to what you posted.) I said slotted nuts are mostly used
in automotive applications. Spindles are part of automotive steering
and suspension. Slotted nuts and castellated nuts are two different
types of nuts. What part of that doesn't make sense to you?? Let me
know and I'll explain it to you with pictures so you don't make the same
mistake in the future.


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583 Not to start a pi**in' contest, but the correct term is
"Castellated"
nut, although commonly called castle nut. Most familiar use is in the
front
suspension & steering of cars/trucks to insure nothing vibrates loose.





Sorry, not true. You have the name right but the usage wrong. Slotted
nuts are used on truck and automotive spindles, not Castellated nuts.
There is a difference.




snip





I suggest you consult a dictionary for the meaning of castellated,
a hint, it has nothing to do with truck & automotive spindles.

Tom



Didn't I post that??


No, you posted something about "slotted" nuts which was
entirely irrelevant.


How's that?? The previous poster said that castellated nuts were used in
automotive applications, steering and suspension. I said they are not (
similar to what you posted.) I said slotted nuts are mostly used in
automotive applications. Spindles are part of automotive steering and
suspension. Slotted nuts and castellated nuts are two different types of
nuts. What part of that doesn't make sense to you?? Let me know and I'll
explain it to you with pictures so you don't make the same mistake in the
future.


Let's clear this up a little . . . Doesn't really make a rat's backside
whether it's slotted or castellated. They both serve the same function,
which is to be retained in place by a cotter(or other) pin to keep them from
coming loose. I spent a few minutes on Google Images, and in a lot of cases
you'll be hard pressed to tell the difference. Search for slotted nut showed
some that were apparently castellated according to your definition, and
search for castellated nut showed some that sure looked like slotted.
Technically they may be different, but for all practical purposes they're
the same. Someone said the mechanic doesn't really care, if it came off it
goes back on. Let's face it, you drop a handful of mixed slotted &
castellated on a table most people aren't going to recognize the difference
between them(or care).

http://www.montac.com/mustang/kmember_part1.htm

is, in the 11th picture down, according to your definition, a slotted nut,
but they call it a castellated nut. I believe Leon said "I call it potato,
you call it pototo".

Next time I'll just keep my mouth shut.

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Sorry, not true. You have the name right but the usage wrong. Slotted
nuts are used on truck and automotive spindles, not Castellated nuts.
There is a difference.


I suggest you consult a dictionary for the meaning of castellated,
a hint, it has nothing to do with truck & automotive spindles.


Just for fun, OED says:

----
castellated ('kæst@leItId), ppl. a. [f. med.L. castella¯t-us (see above)
+ -ed. (Earlier than the vb.)]
[...]
c transf. Of a nut or disc: having grooves or recesses on its upper face.

1904 A. B. F. Young Complete Motorist iv. 74 Castellated nuts are
used throughout, with split pins. 1922 Times 20 June 8/5 The wheel and
consequently the castellated shaft will be rotated.
----

My motorcycle has 'em on the ends of the axles.
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:03:24 -0500, Norman D. Crow wrote:

http://www.montac.com/mustang/kmember_part1.htm

is, in the 11th picture down, according to your definition, a slotted nut,
but they call it a castellated nut. I believe Leon said "I call it potato,
you call it pototo".


Some young lady, singing to accompaniment, as if in an audition:
"You say potato, and I say potato. You say tomato, and I say tomato.
Potato, potato, tomato, tomato, let's call the whole thing off."
lady looks uncomfortable
"You say pajamas, and I say pajamas, you say bananas, and I say bananas.
Pajamas, pajamas, bananas, bananas, let's call the whole thing off."
lady looks distressed
"Um, I really don't see what's wrong with this relationship!"

Cheers!
Rich

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On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:29:45 -0500, Doug Payne wrote:

Sorry, not true. You have the name right but the usage wrong. Slotted
nuts are used on truck and automotive spindles, not Castellated nuts.
There is a difference.


I suggest you consult a dictionary for the meaning of castellated, a
hint, it has nothing to do with truck & automotive spindles.


Just for fun, OED says:

----
castellated ('kæst@leItId), ppl. a. [f. med.L. castella¯t-us (see above)
+ -ed. (Earlier than the vb.)]
[...]
c transf. Of a nut or disc: having grooves or recesses on its upper face.

1904 A. B. F. Young Complete Motorist iv. 74 Castellated nuts are
used throughout, with split pins. 1922 Times 20 June 8/5 The wheel and
consequently the castellated shaft will be rotated. ----

My motorcycle has 'em on the ends of the axles.



When I look up "castellated nut" on McMaster-Carr, http://www.mcmaster.com
it finds nothing with "castellated" in it, but there are at least a
half-dozen varieties of "slotted castle" nuts. Does that mean there are
non-slotted castle nuts, or non-castle slotted nuts?

I don't know how to bookmark specific pages at their site; you'll have
to do the search, I'm afraid.

Cheers!
Rich

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On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:34:14 +0000, R.H. wrote:
Once again they've all been answered correctly:

586. Squirrel mixer

Numerous links and few new photos have been posted on the answer page:

http://puzphotosans103n.blogspot.com/


Well, at least I got the "squirrel cage" part right. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

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