Mark and Kim Smith wrote:

Tom wrote:

Mark and Kim Smith wrote:


Tom wrote:



Mark and Kim Smith wrote:




Norman D. Crow wrote:





snip

583 Not to start a pi**in' contest, but the correct term is "Castellated"
nut, although commonly called castle nut. Most familiar use is in the front
suspension & steering of cars/trucks to insure nothing vibrates loose.






Sorry, not true. You have the name right but the usage wrong. Slotted
nuts are used on truck and automotive spindles, not Castellated nuts.
There is a difference.





snip






I suggest you consult a dictionary for the meaning of castellated,
a hint, it has nothing to do with truck & automotive spindles.

Tom




Didn't I post that??



No, you posted something about "slotted" nuts which was
entirely irrelevant.



How's that?? The previous poster said that castellated nuts were used
in automotive applications, steering and suspension. I said they are
not ( similar to what you posted.) I said slotted nuts are mostly used
in automotive applications. Spindles are part of automotive steering
and suspension. Slotted nuts and castellated nuts are two different
types of nuts. What part of that doesn't make sense to you?? Let me
know and I'll explain it to you with pictures so you don't make the same
mistake in the future.

I see you're too tired to look up a dictionary or perhaps you don't
know what one is? That people started calling castellated nuts,
slotted nuts is because too many people and it appears that includes
yourself were unable to comprehend the term, castellated. It's called
dumbing down. To be charitable, one could I suppose, say it saves ink..

As for your assertions about automotive usage, it would seem that you're
one of masses that only your experience is to be quoted. Also you keep
quoting current usage, does this mean that fitting side valve engines
to automobile never happened because it isn't a current practice?

Tom

Rich Grise wrote:

On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 02:58:50 -0500, Mark and Kim Smith wrote:



How's that?? The previous poster said that castellated nuts were used
in automotive applications, steering and suspension. I said they are
not ( similar to what you posted.) I said slotted nuts are mostly used
in automotive applications. Spindles are part of automotive steering
and suspension. Slotted nuts and castellated nuts are two different
types of nuts. What part of that doesn't make sense to you?? Let me
know and I'll explain it to you with pictures so you don't make the same
mistake in the future.



Yes, please show us pictures of these "slotted" and "castellated" nuts,
and explain the difference between a "castellated" and a "castle" nut, if
you would be so kind. :-)

Thanks!
Rich




Castellated:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...203/pic583.jpg

Slotted: http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/face/images/99ia093c.jpg

Castel nut is a generic term.

Tom wrote:

snip

I see you're too tired to look up a dictionary or perhaps you don't
know what one is? That people started calling castellated nuts,
slotted nuts is because too many people and it appears that includes
yourself were unable to comprehend the term, castellated. It's called
dumbing down. To be charitable, one could I suppose, say it saves ink..



Nope, I looked it up, just for you.

Just because you don't want to be technically correct to know there is a
difference, doesn't mean you have to accuse everyone of "dumbing down."
The problem is that you call castellated nuts slotted nuts when they are
not. Castellated nuts and slotted nuts are two different nuts. I know
what a catellated nut is and what a slotted nut is. I don't make the
mistake, as you do, of mixing the two. Hmm, maybe you are too tired to
look that up. In your world, a cap screw is a cap screw. So go stock
your shelves with metric bolts and spend your life trying to fit them in
US standard threaded holes while telling yourself the whole time that
there is no difference.

As for your assertions about automotive usage, it would seem that you're
one of masses that only your experience is to be quoted.

Then , I guess this really shows how clueless you are.

Also you keep
quoting current usage, does this mean that fitting side valve engines
to automobile never happened because it isn't a current practice?



Yup, definite cluelessness. Who says it isn't current practice?? Just
because you say?? It would seem that you are one of the masses that
only your experience is to be quoted!

Tom

Rich Grise wrote:
snip

Does that mean there are
non-slotted castle nuts,

Nope.

or non-castle slotted nuts?



Yup.

I don't know how to bookmark specific pages at their site; you'll have
to do the search, I'm afraid.

Cheers!
Rich

Rich Grise wrote:

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:34:14 +0000, R.H. wrote:


Once again they've all been answered correctly:

586. Squirrel mixer

Numerous links and few new photos have been posted on the answer page:

http://puzphotosans103n.blogspot.com/



Well, at least I got the "squirrel cage" part right. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich



Why would you want to mix squirrels?!?

Doug Payne wrote:
Sorry, not true. You have the name right but the usage wrong. Slotted
nuts are used on truck and automotive spindles, not Castellated nuts.
There is a difference.


I suggest you consult a dictionary for the meaning of castellated,
a hint, it has nothing to do with truck & automotive spindles.


Just for fun, OED says:

----
castellated ('kæst@leItId), ppl. a. [f. med.L. castella¯t-us (see above)
+ -ed. (Earlier than the vb.)]
[...]
c transf. Of a nut or disc: having grooves or recesses on its upper face.

1904 A. B. F. Young Complete Motorist iv. 74 Castellated nuts are
used throughout, with split pins. 1922 Times 20 June 8/5 The wheel and
consequently the castellated shaft will be rotated.
----

My motorcycle has 'em on the ends of the axles.

That must be the American OED. My Compact OED doesn't have that, and
only references very general castle-like or castle-strewn thingies.

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In article ,
Rich Grise wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 02:58:50 -0500, Mark and Kim Smith wrote:

How's that?? The previous poster said that castellated nuts were used
in automotive applications, steering and suspension. I said they are
not ( similar to what you posted.) I said slotted nuts are mostly used
in automotive applications. Spindles are part of automotive steering
and suspension. Slotted nuts and castellated nuts are two different
types of nuts. What part of that doesn't make sense to you?? Let me
know and I'll explain it to you with pictures so you don't make the same
mistake in the future.

Yes, please show us pictures of these "slotted" and "castellated" nuts,
and explain the difference between a "castellated" and a "castle" nut, if
you would be so kind. :-)

SPS technologies sells slotted and castellated nuts:

http://www.spstech.com/aero/products/nuts/slotted.html

http://www.spstech.com/aero/products/nuts/castell.html

The slotted nuts have narrow slots which do not extend into the flats
of the nut. The castellated ones have wide slots which do extend into
the flats of the nut -- in some there is no round area on the top.
Which means that the nuts on auto suspensions that everyone calls
"castelled nuts" are, in fact, castellated nuts.

Safety wire is often used with the castle nuts.
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Enoch Root wrote:
Doug Payne wrote:

Sorry, not true. You have the name right but the usage wrong. Slotted
nuts are used on truck and automotive spindles, not Castellated nuts.
There is a difference.


I suggest you consult a dictionary for the meaning of castellated,
a hint, it has nothing to do with truck & automotive spindles.


Just for fun, OED says:

----
castellated ('kæst@leItId), ppl. a. [f. med.L. castella¯t-us (see above)
+ -ed. (Earlier than the vb.)]
[...]
c transf. Of a nut or disc: having grooves or recesses on its upper face.

1904 A. B. F. Young Complete Motorist iv. 74 Castellated nuts are
used throughout, with split pins. 1922 Times 20 June 8/5 The wheel and
consequently the castellated shaft will be rotated.
----

My motorcycle has 'em on the ends of the axles.


That must be the American OED. My Compact OED doesn't have that, and
only references very general castle-like or castle-strewn thingies.

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Rich Grise wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 02:58:50 -0500, Mark and Kim Smith wrote:

How's that?? The previous poster said that castellated nuts were used
in automotive applications, steering and suspension. I said they are
not ( similar to what you posted.) I said slotted nuts are mostly used
in automotive applications. Spindles are part of automotive steering
and suspension. Slotted nuts and castellated nuts are two different
types of nuts. What part of that doesn't make sense to you?? Let me
know and I'll explain it to you with pictures so you don't make the
same
mistake in the future.

Yes, please show us pictures of these "slotted" and "castellated" nuts,
and explain the difference between a "castellated" and a "castle" nut, if
you would be so kind. :-)

SPS technologies sells slotted and castellated nuts:

http://www.spstech.com/aero/products/nuts/slotted.html

Those are self locking nuts not designed to be used with a split pin so a
different type of beast altogether. It makes a certain point though. There
are many types of nut with slots in them including ones with horizontal
slots which almost slice the nut into two halves (another type of self
locking nut). The term "slotted nut" is therefore almost meaningless without
further specifying what sort of slot. However everyone knows roughly what a
castellated nut is even if there is a miniscule distinction between nuts
with a round bit above the hex and those without.

Quite why Mr Smith is so worked up about this distinction I have no idea and
his assertion that 'true' (by his own definition) castellated nuts (round
bit above the hex) are not used on vehicle axles when they clearly are was
just flat wrong.

My only remaining interest in this mainly pointless and pedantic bickering
is a vestigial curiosity about the reason for some nuts designed to be used
with split pins having a round bit above the hex and some not having that.
As for terminology I'll continue to call any nut designed to be used with a
split pin a castellated nut whether it has a round bit on it or not. At
least that way everyone even vaguely associated with engineering or
mechanics will know what the hell I'm talking about.
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[ ... ]

My only remaining interest in this mainly pointless and pedantic bickering
is a vestigial curiosity about the reason for some nuts designed to be used
with split pins having a round bit above the hex and some not having that.

My own opinion about this is that the ones with the section
turned round lets you bend the cotter key legs to wrap around that
section, and keep the entire cotter key within the profile of the hex
diagonal, so a rotating cover (grease cap, for example) will not drag on
the cotter key. When dealing with a nut which is just slotted for the
key, without the turned section, one leg is bent down along the flat of
the nut, and the other is bent up and over the end of the threaded stud,
which increases the chances of it dragging on the grease cap.

As for terminology I'll continue to call any nut designed to be used with a
split pin a castellated nut whether it has a round bit on it or not. At
least that way everyone even vaguely associated with engineering or
mechanics will know what the hell I'm talking about.

Agreed. IIRC, the official shop manual for my MGA used that
term.

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Mark and Kim Smith wrote:

Tom wrote:

snip

I see you're too tired to look up a dictionary or perhaps you don't
know what one is? That people started calling castellated nuts,
slotted nuts is because too many people and it appears that includes
yourself were unable to comprehend the term, castellated. It's called
dumbing down. To be charitable, one could I suppose, say it saves ink..



Nope, I looked it up, just for you.

Just because you don't want to be technically correct to know there is a
difference, doesn't mean you have to accuse everyone of "dumbing down."
The problem is that you call castellated nuts slotted nuts when they are
not. Castellated nuts and slotted nuts are two different nuts.

No I don't, slotted nuts are castellated..

Looked it up? Yeah right. Have another look.

Tom

"Norman D. Crow" wrote:


is, in the 11th picture down, according to your definition, a slotted nut,
but they call it a castellated nut. I believe Leon said "I call it potato,
you call it pototo".

Next time I'll just keep my mouth shut.

Restaurants call them "Rocky Mountain oysters." If the menu said
"castellated nuts", some customers would keep their mouth shut.
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On 11/02/2006 3:59 PM, Enoch Root wrote:

That must be the American OED. My Compact OED doesn't have that, and
only references very general castle-like or castle-strewn thingies.

No, that's the full OED. I work at a Canadian University that has the
whole thing online and fully-searchable.

Doug Payne wrote:
On 11/02/2006 3:59 PM, Enoch Root wrote:

That must be the American OED. My Compact OED doesn't have that, and
only references very general castle-like or castle-strewn thingies.


No, that's the full OED. I work at a Canadian University that has the
whole thing online and fully-searchable.

Yeah? Mine...'s got a little magnifying glass! ;-)

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Just for fun, OED says:
----
castellated ('kæst@leItId), ppl. a. [f. med.L. castella¯t-us (see above)
+ -ed. (Earlier than the vb.)]
[...]
c transf. Of a nut or disc: having grooves or recesses on its upper face.

1904 A. B. F. Young Complete Motorist iv. 74 Castellated nuts are
used throughout, with split pins. 1922 Times 20 June 8/5 The wheel and
consequently the castellated shaft will be rotated.
----

That must be the American OED. My Compact OED doesn't have that...

Well, sure, if you only look at a definition written in 1889, you won't
find a usage where the earliest cite is 1904, will you? Go to Volume 2,
page 3913, and you'll see the definition from the 1933 Supplement.
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On 12/02/2006 11:17 AM, Enoch Root wrote:
Doug Payne wrote:
On 11/02/2006 3:59 PM, Enoch Root wrote:

That must be the American OED. My Compact OED doesn't have that, and
only references very general castle-like or castle-strewn thingies.

No, that's the full OED. I work at a Canadian University that has the
whole thing online and fully-searchable.

Yeah? Mine...'s got a little magnifying glass! ;-)

Guess it didn't help, eh? :-)

Mark Brader wrote:
Just for fun, OED says:
----
castellated ('kæst@leItId), ppl. a. [f. med.L. castella¯t-us (see above)
+ -ed. (Earlier than the vb.)]
[...]
c transf. Of a nut or disc: having grooves or recesses on its upper face.

1904 A. B. F. Young Complete Motorist iv. 74 Castellated nuts are
used throughout, with split pins. 1922 Times 20 June 8/5 The wheel and
consequently the castellated shaft will be rotated.
----



That must be the American OED. My Compact OED doesn't have that...


Well, sure, if you only look at a definition written in 1889, you won't
find a usage where the earliest cite is 1904, will you? Go to Volume 2,
page 3913, and you'll see the definition from the 1933 Supplement.


I'll be darned. Never looked at the supplement. I've only had it since
January.

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On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:10:45 -0600, Matthew T. Russotto wrote:

In article ,
Rich Grise wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2006 02:58:50 -0500, Mark and Kim Smith wrote:

How's that?? The previous poster said that castellated nuts were used
in automotive applications, steering and suspension. I said they are
not ( similar to what you posted.) I said slotted nuts are mostly used
in automotive applications. Spindles are part of automotive steering
and suspension. Slotted nuts and castellated nuts are two different
types of nuts. What part of that doesn't make sense to you?? Let me
know and I'll explain it to you with pictures so you don't make the same
mistake in the future.

Yes, please show us pictures of these "slotted" and "castellated" nuts,
and explain the difference between a "castellated" and a "castle" nut, if
you would be so kind. :-)

SPS technologies sells slotted and castellated nuts:

http://www.spstech.com/aero/products/nuts/slotted.html

http://www.spstech.com/aero/products/nuts/castell.html

The slotted nuts have narrow slots which do not extend into the flats
of the nut. The castellated ones have wide slots which do extend into
the flats of the nut -- in some there is no round area on the top.
Which means that the nuts on auto suspensions that everyone calls
"castelled nuts" are, in fact, castellated nuts.

Oh! I get it! The "slotted" nuts are "self-locking" - the slotted part
is necked down, holding the nut on the stud or bolt by brute-force
friction. You thread it on, and when the slotted part gets to the bolt
threads, it becomes very hard to turn, and conversely, it's very
hard to loosen it; they might even be for "permanent" installations.

Thanks!
Rich