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OK, perhaps this might sound strange, but I'd like to drop a car from a
crane. I'm thinking about doing a project for a high school senior class to show the violence of an auto crash (educational for prom week) at roughly 30-45mph. In order to do this, I'd hoist an auto by a crane up say 40 - 50 feet, and then drop it to the ground. But, to do this, I need some type of quick release mechanism, because the crane owner isn't going to risk damaging his equipment by free-falling the cable. I've thought about using heavy duty strap webbing with a quick release buckles, but I'm not sure if they would support the weight. The release has another problem - how do I do it from the ground? Ideally, I would have some sort of remote controlled release, but wireless? Wired? Mechanical? Cheap and easy is the challenge as well. If any have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Thanks in advance, TJ Hanlon SRO, Pawling Schools |
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Very heavy duty quick-releases are available from theatrical rental outfits.
They're frequently used in special effects. There was even a close-up and description of one on "Mythbusters", where they did exactly what you plan to do, complete with Buster the myth-busting crash test dummy. DON'T cobble up something yourself, unless you have the liability insurance to cover you. It isn't worth it for the price of a rental. LLoyd "TJH" wrote in message ups.com... OK, perhaps this might sound strange, but I'd like to drop a car from a crane. I'm thinking about doing a project for a high school senior class to show the violence of an auto crash (educational for prom week) at roughly 30-45mph. In order to do this, I'd hoist an auto by a crane up say 40 - 50 feet, and then drop it to the ground. But, to do this, I need some type of quick release mechanism, because the crane owner isn't going to risk damaging his equipment by free-falling the cable. |
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TJH wrote:
OK, perhaps this might sound strange, but I'd like to drop a car from a crane. I'm thinking about doing a project for a high school senior class to show the violence of an auto crash (educational for prom week) at roughly 30-45mph. In order to do this, I'd hoist an auto by a crane up say 40 - 50 feet, and then drop it to the ground. But, to do this, I need some type of quick release mechanism, because the crane owner isn't going to risk damaging his equipment by free-falling the cable. I've thought about using heavy duty strap webbing with a quick release buckles, but I'm not sure if they would support the weight. The release has another problem - how do I do it from the ground? Ideally, I would have some sort of remote controlled release, but wireless? Wired? Mechanical? Cheap and easy is the challenge as well. If any have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. A marine snap shackle might work: http://shop.torresen.com/ships_store/?p=categorydetails1&defaultbrand=Ships+Store&defau ltstore=Ships+Store§ionid=5111 |
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Another possibility, if you can persuade the crane owner to allow it,
is to fit a "headache ball" to the cable about 20-30 ft above the car. Probably the headache ball would be part of a hook, and you'd have to add a second length of cable between the hook and the car. The idea is that you free fall the cable, but that the headache ball keeps the cable taut when the car hits the ground. The crane operator then needs to stop the cable before the headache ball hits the ground. This is a fairly common system and seems to work okay if the crane operator knows what he's doing. Chris |
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i was watching the history of lumbering last night on the history channel.
they showed radio controlled cable releases on the drag lines. these hold up entire (large) trees in midair, so would be exactly what you're looking for. you don't say where you are (and the homepage of your school doesn't have an address on it), but if you're anywhere near where they do logging, perhaps your crane operator can find one of these for a day. regards, charlie http://glassartists.org/chaniarts "TJH" wrote in message ups.com... OK, perhaps this might sound strange, but I'd like to drop a car from a crane. I'm thinking about doing a project for a high school senior class to show the violence of an auto crash (educational for prom week) at roughly 30-45mph. In order to do this, I'd hoist an auto by a crane up say 40 - 50 feet, and then drop it to the ground. But, to do this, I need some type of quick release mechanism, because the crane owner isn't going to risk damaging his equipment by free-falling the cable. I've thought about using heavy duty strap webbing with a quick release buckles, but I'm not sure if they would support the weight. The release has another problem - how do I do it from the ground? Ideally, I would have some sort of remote controlled release, but wireless? Wired? Mechanical? Cheap and easy is the challenge as well. If any have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Thanks in advance, TJ Hanlon SRO, Pawling Schools |
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A magnetic crane like the ones used at scrapyards would work.
Cut the current and the car will drop. But for what you're trying to accomplish, why not do it like all the other prom night demonstrations? Get a car that was involved in a DUI from the local junkyard. If it still has the beer cans inside, it's that much more realistic. TJH wrote: OK, perhaps this might sound strange, but I'd like to drop a car from a crane. I'm thinking about doing a project for a high school senior class to show the violence of an auto crash (educational for prom week) at roughly 30-45mph. In order to do this, I'd hoist an auto by a crane up say 40 - 50 feet, and then drop it to the ground. But, to do this, I need some type of quick release mechanism, because the crane owner isn't going to risk damaging his equipment by free-falling the cable. |
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TJH wrote:
OK, perhaps this might sound strange, but I'd like to drop a car from a crane. I'm thinking about doing a project for a high school senior class to show the violence of an auto crash (educational for prom week) at roughly 30-45mph. In order to do this, I'd hoist an auto by a crane up say 40 - 50 feet, and then drop it to the ground. But, to do this, I need some type of quick release mechanism, because the crane owner isn't going to risk damaging his equipment by free-falling the cable. I've thought about using heavy duty strap webbing with a quick release buckles, but I'm not sure if they would support the weight. The release has another problem - how do I do it from the ground? Ideally, I would have some sort of remote controlled release, but wireless? Wired? Mechanical? Cheap and easy is the challenge as well. If any have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Google "three ring release", which is a quick-release system designed to reliably work under load and is commonly used on parachute harnesses. You might have to add an additional ring to release a car under load, but should work fine--big problem is that you'd have to stitch together some heavy webbing--if you've got access to an industrial sewing machine it shouldn't be any trouble. Another way would be to use a pyrotechnic cutter--they're purpose made for this kind of thing. Either could be released with a long lanyard--the three ring release is a bit more complicated to make but doesn't involve any pyros, which in a school environment I suspect could be a problem. If the Pawling Schools are the ones in Connecticut you might want to give Pioneer Aerospace in South Windsor a call--I wouldn't be surprised if they had an out of date cutter or two awaiting disposal that they might be willing to contribute to the project, but they might have to send someone to supervise rather than turning you loose with a pyro with enough power to seriously injure somebody. OTOH, they might not want to get involved--I haven't been in there in 20 years and I don't know what they're like now. Thanks in advance, TJ Hanlon SRO, Pawling Schools -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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In article . com,
"TJH" wrote: OK, perhaps this might sound strange, but I'd like to drop a car from a crane. I'm thinking about doing a project for a high school senior class to show the violence of an auto crash (educational for prom week) at roughly 30-45mph. In order to do this, I'd hoist an auto by a crane up say 40 - 50 feet, and then drop it to the ground. But, to do this, I need some type of quick release mechanism, because the crane owner isn't going to risk damaging his equipment by free-falling the cable. I've thought about using heavy duty strap webbing with a quick release buckles, but I'm not sure if they would support the weight. The release has another problem - how do I do it from the ground? Ideally, I would have some sort of remote controlled release, but wireless? Wired? Mechanical? Cheap and easy is the challenge as well. If any have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. A standard bomb release would be perfect. IIRC, in WW2 the japs strapped the bombs to the plane and used a cutter to release. A heavy strap (seat belt?) and a paramedic seat belt cutter should work. -- Free men own guns, slaves don't www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/ |
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Make a pair of "S" shaped hooks by torch cutting from heavy steel plate.
Attach these together near the middle with a heavy bolt, so they form a figure "8." Hang the car by cable from this figure "8". As the crane lifts the car the figure 8 will reach the top pulley, and open. How? You design it that way. |
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On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:02:20 GMT, Nick Hull
wrote: In article . com, "TJH" wrote: OK, perhaps this might sound strange, but I'd like to drop a car from a crane. I'm thinking about doing a project for a high school senior class to show the violence of an auto crash (educational for prom week) at roughly 30-45mph. In order to do this, I'd hoist an auto by a crane up say 40 - 50 feet, and then drop it to the ground. But, to do this, I need some type of quick release mechanism, because the crane owner isn't going to risk damaging his equipment by free-falling the cable. I've thought about using heavy duty strap webbing with a quick release buckles, but I'm not sure if they would support the weight. The release has another problem - how do I do it from the ground? Ideally, I would have some sort of remote controlled release, but wireless? Wired? Mechanical? Cheap and easy is the challenge as well. If any have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. A standard bomb release would be perfect. IIRC, in WW2 the japs strapped the bombs to the plane and used a cutter to release. A heavy strap (seat belt?) and a paramedic seat belt cutter should work. Dad made one by cutting a piece of 1" plate, drilling a hole for a big anchor shackle, then cutting a notch which held another anchor shackle. He welded a 3' stick of 1" round to the top to one side of the hole. In practice, he hooked onto the captured shackle with the winch truck, and hooked the slot shackle to a chain around a levee roller, a concrete spool weighing about 2 tons. A rope was tied to the 3' release handle. He winched to roller in the air, backed over a junk car, and then pulled the rope from a safe distance. It dropped the roller just fine, but the junker wrapped around the roller and we had to cut it off. The objective had been to crush the old cars. The release was crude, and probably unsafe, but there were no lawyers around, and if there were we had access to a backhoe. Pete Keillor |
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"Charles Spitzer" wrote in message ... i was watching the history of lumbering last night on the history channel. I watched that show too. I found the machine that cut the tree at its base, picked it up and then de-limbed it, all in one fell swoop, pretty amazing. Peter |
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"J. Clarke" wrote: Another way would be to use a pyrotechnic cutter--they're purpose made for this kind of thing. A safe pyro cutter could be made from a rope wrapped in common smokeless gunpowder. Ignition by a common model rocket igniter. -- Free men own guns, slaves don't www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/ |
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Nick Hull wrote:
In article , "J. Clarke" wrote: Another way would be to use a pyrotechnic cutter--they're purpose made for this kind of thing. A safe pyro cutter could be made from a rope wrapped in common smokeless gunpowder. Ignition by a common model rocket igniter. Might take some work to keep the powder in place under strain and get the charge right to make a reliable cut on webbing heavy enough to trust with a car, but could be done. The kind used in parachutes are self-contained and can be mechanically or electrically triggered. If you hold one in your hand and trigger it you'll want to let it go _real_ fast (they get hot) but it won't do you any lasting harm. Put your finger in the ring line passes through, and then trigger it and you _will_ lose that finger. Some are big enough to take a small-framed person's arm. -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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TJH wrote:
OK, perhaps this might sound strange, but I'd like to drop a car from a crane. I'm thinking about doing a project for a high school senior class to show the violence of an auto crash (educational for prom week) at roughly 30-45mph. In order to do this, I'd hoist an auto by a crane up say 40 - 50 feet, and then drop it to the ground. But, to do this, I need some type of quick release mechanism, because the crane owner isn't going to risk damaging his equipment by free-falling the cable. I've thought about using heavy duty strap webbing with a quick release buckles, but I'm not sure if they would support the weight. The release has another problem - how do I do it from the ground? Ideally, I would have some sort of remote controlled release, but wireless? Wired? Mechanical? Cheap and easy is the challenge as well. If any have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. I've already given a serious response, but quite honestly the country boy in me wants to hoist it on a piece of rope and get out my target rifle and peck away at it with .22 long rifle until the rope gives way. Never be allowed to do that these days though. -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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J. Clarke wrote: TJH wrote: OK, perhaps this might sound strange, but I'd like to drop a car from a crane. Check with anyone in the area that does sling loads with helos....even the local Guard units.. There are hooks made specifically for this type task that require quick release capability. Should be able to borrow one pretty easily. Craig C. |
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"J. Clarke" wrote: I've already given a serious response, but quite honestly the country boy in me wants to hoist it on a piece of rope and get out my target rifle and peck away at it with .22 long rifle until the rope gives way. Never be allowed to do that these days though. With .22 shot it could be arranged to be safe but I'm not sure how many rounds it would take to wear the rope out. -- Free men own guns, slaves don't www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/5357/ |
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As a crane operator I would not want to drop a 3000 to 4000 pound weight
suddenly. When the weight is released suddenly the boom bounces upward. Whether or not that results in damage to the crane depends on a lot of variables including capacity of crane, skill of the operator, hydraulic or lattice boom crane. It would not be considered safe practice. |
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Nick Hull wrote:
In article , "J. Clarke" wrote: I've already given a serious response, but quite honestly the country boy in me wants to hoist it on a piece of rope and get out my target rifle and peck away at it with .22 long rifle until the rope gives way. Never be allowed to do that these days though. With .22 shot it could be arranged to be safe but I'm not sure how many rounds it would take to wear the rope out. Probably quite a few. 12 gage might be a better bet if there's a reasonable amount of clear space downrange. -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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That's a good point about the boom vibrating when a load is released
suddenly. I've never seen a weight released completely as is being proposed here, but I have seen the "headache ball" system I mentioned in use on local demolition sites. I assume this allows the operator to release the brake gradually, avoiding a dramatic vibration in the boom. If I remember rightly, it was also the system used with the famous guillotine for chopping up unwanted B52 bombers. Do a Google search for "b52 guillotine headache ball" (or something like that) for more details. There are a few pages out there... Chris |
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TJH wrote:
OK, perhaps this might sound strange, but I'd like to drop a car from a crane. I'm thinking about doing a project for a high school senior class to show the violence of an auto crash (educational for prom week) at roughly 30-45mph. In order to do this, I'd hoist an auto by a crane up say 40 - 50 feet, and then drop it to the ground. But, to do this, I need some type of quick release mechanism, because the crane owner isn't going to risk damaging his equipment by free-falling the cable. I've thought about using heavy duty strap webbing with a quick release buckles, but I'm not sure if they would support the weight. The release has another problem - how do I do it from the ground? Ideally, I would have some sort of remote controlled release, but wireless? Wired? Mechanical? Cheap and easy is the challenge as well. If any have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Thanks in advance, TJ Hanlon SRO, Pawling Schools I believe the device your looking for is called a Pelican Hook. The release is manual via a second rope. Any decent rigging shop or marina should be able to rent you one or point you a source for purchase. Jim Vrzal Holiday,Fl. |
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Mawdeeb wrote:
TJH wrote: OK, perhaps this might sound strange, but I'd like to drop a car from a crane. I'm thinking about doing a project for a high school senior class to show the violence of an auto crash (educational for prom week) at roughly 30-45mph. In order to do this, I'd hoist an auto by a crane up say 40 - 50 feet, and then drop it to the ground. But, to do this, I need some type of quick release mechanism, because the crane owner isn't going to risk damaging his equipment by free-falling the cable. I've thought about using heavy duty strap webbing with a quick release buckles, but I'm not sure if they would support the weight. The release has another problem - how do I do it from the ground? Ideally, I would have some sort of remote controlled release, but wireless? Wired? Mechanical? Cheap and easy is the challenge as well. If any have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Thanks in advance, TJ Hanlon SRO, Pawling Schools I believe the device your looking for is called a Pelican Hook. The release is manual via a second rope. Any decent rigging shop or marina should be able to rent you one or point you a source for purchase. Not designed to open under load. -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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J. Clarke wrote:
Mawdeeb wrote: TJH wrote: OK, perhaps this might sound strange, but I'd like to drop a car from a crane. I'm thinking about doing a project for a high school senior class to show the violence of an auto crash (educational for prom week) at roughly 30-45mph. In order to do this, I'd hoist an auto by a crane up say 40 - 50 feet, and then drop it to the ground. But, to do this, I need some type of quick release mechanism, because the crane owner isn't going to risk damaging his equipment by free-falling the cable. I've thought about using heavy duty strap webbing with a quick release buckles, but I'm not sure if they would support the weight. The release has another problem - how do I do it from the ground? Ideally, I would have some sort of remote controlled release, but wireless? Wired? Mechanical? Cheap and easy is the challenge as well. If any have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Thanks in advance, TJ Hanlon SRO, Pawling Schools I believe the device your looking for is called a Pelican Hook. The release is manual via a second rope. Any decent rigging shop or marina should be able to rent you one or point you a source for purchase. Not designed to open under load. Incorrect. The Pelican Hook was desined specifically to release a cable or chain under load in an emergency. The trebu chet users use them to hold the counter balance weight under tension. http://www.ripcord.ws/triggers.html is one example. Jim Vrzal Holiday,Fl |
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:35:56 -0600, Paul G. Shultz wrote:
As a crane operator I would not want to drop a 3000 to 4000 pound weight suddenly. When the weight is released suddenly the boom bounces upward. Whether or not that results in damage to the crane depends on a lot of variables including capacity of crane, skill of the operator, hydraulic or lattice boom crane. It would not be considered safe practice. Yeah, about that - before dropping a car, you'll want to check with your school's and FD's insurance companies. I bet the whole question goes away pretty quick, to be honest. We always just bash the cars up pretty good with a backhoe. Seems that about half our department owns one or has owned one. Dave Hinz |
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Mawdeeb wrote:
J. Clarke wrote: Mawdeeb wrote: TJH wrote: OK, perhaps this might sound strange, but I'd like to drop a car from a crane. I'm thinking about doing a project for a high school senior class to show the violence of an auto crash (educational for prom week) at roughly 30-45mph. In order to do this, I'd hoist an auto by a crane up say 40 - 50 feet, and then drop it to the ground. But, to do this, I need some type of quick release mechanism, because the crane owner isn't going to risk damaging his equipment by free-falling the cable. I've thought about using heavy duty strap webbing with a quick release buckles, but I'm not sure if they would support the weight. The release has another problem - how do I do it from the ground? Ideally, I would have some sort of remote controlled release, but wireless? Wired? Mechanical? Cheap and easy is the challenge as well. If any have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Thanks in advance, TJ Hanlon SRO, Pawling Schools I believe the device your looking for is called a Pelican Hook. The release is manual via a second rope. Any decent rigging shop or marina should be able to rent you one or point you a source for purchase. Not designed to open under load. Incorrect. The Pelican Hook was desined specifically to release a cable or chain under load in an emergency. The trebu chet users use them to hold the counter balance weight under tension. http://www.ripcord.ws/triggers.html is one example. Read that page carefully--they recommend their pelican hook for a load of up to 80 pounds, which one can release with a slip-knot. The discussion is of supporting a car. -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:35:56 -0600, "Paul G. Shultz"
wrote: As a crane operator I would not want to drop a 3000 to 4000 pound weight suddenly. When the weight is released suddenly the boom bounces upward. Whether or not that results in damage to the crane depends on a lot of variables including capacity of crane, skill of the operator, hydraulic or lattice boom crane. It would not be considered safe practice. There /are/ quick release couplings that will easily work for that - for a lead on them contact Jamie Hyneman (sp?) at M5 Engineering Special Effects in the San Francisco area - AKA 'Mythbusters'. They used them as the drop latch on the "Elevator Of Doom" episode, among others. The only way I (NOT a trained crane operator) can see it being safe to suddenly release the load like that is if the crane is Massively Oversized for the lift & drop - like a 100-ton monster that is used for heavy construction instead of a tower crane, and usually has 200 - 250 feet of boom on it. But for this you take every removable section out of the mast so there's the anchor end and the 25' stinger end, period. And even at that, I'd call P&H or Lorain and ask their engineers. You break one of those puppies, and the parts are not gonna be cheap. -- Bruce -- -- Bruce L. Bergman, Woodland Hills (Los Angeles) CA - Desktop Electrician for Westend Electric - CA726700 5737 Kanan Rd. #359, Agoura CA 91301 (818) 889-9545 Spamtrapped address: Remove the python and the invalid, and use a net. |
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J. Clarke wrote:
Mawdeeb wrote: J. Clarke wrote: Mawdeeb wrote: TJH wrote: OK, perhaps this might sound strange, but I'd like to drop a car from a crane. I'm thinking about doing a project for a high school senior class to show the violence of an auto crash (educational for prom week) at roughly 30-45mph. In order to do this, I'd hoist an auto by a crane up say 40 - 50 feet, and then drop it to the ground. But, to do this, I need some type of quick release mechanism, because the crane owner isn't going to risk damaging his equipment by free-falling the cable. I've thought about using heavy duty strap webbing with a quick release buckles, but I'm not sure if they would support the weight. The release has another problem - how do I do it from the ground? Ideally, I would have some sort of remote controlled release, but wireless? Wired? Mechanical? Cheap and easy is the challenge as well. If any have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Thanks in advance, TJ Hanlon SRO, Pawling Schools I believe the device your looking for is called a Pelican Hook. The release is manual via a second rope. Any decent rigging shop or marina should be able to rent you one or point you a source for purchase. Not designed to open under load. Incorrect. The Pelican Hook was desined specifically to release a cable or chain under load in an emergency. The trebu chet users use them to hold the counter balance weight under tension. http://www.ripcord.ws/triggers.html is one example. Read that page carefully--they recommend their pelican hook for a load of up to 80 pounds, which one can release with a slip-knot. The discussion is of supporting a car. That page was offered as an example that the hooks will release under tension. Now its just a matter of scale. Larger load, larger hook. A short review of a google search will revel pelican hooks for chain with capacities of 50000 lbs are commercially available. P Hooks used with 1/2 inch steel cable start at 4000 lbs which should be sufficent for the original posters needs. As the other posters have indicated, the real concern will be the crane operators skill to control the rig when the load lets loose. By the way, your manual is ready to send. Need a address to send to. Jim Vrzal Holiday, Fl. |
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Heavy quick release mechanism???
Mawdeeb wrote:
J. Clarke wrote: Mawdeeb wrote: J. Clarke wrote: Mawdeeb wrote: TJH wrote: OK, perhaps this might sound strange, but I'd like to drop a car from a crane. I'm thinking about doing a project for a high school senior class to show the violence of an auto crash (educational for prom week) at roughly 30-45mph. In order to do this, I'd hoist an auto by a crane up say 40 - 50 feet, and then drop it to the ground. But, to do this, I need some type of quick release mechanism, because the crane owner isn't going to risk damaging his equipment by free-falling the cable. I've thought about using heavy duty strap webbing with a quick release buckles, but I'm not sure if they would support the weight. The release has another problem - how do I do it from the ground? Ideally, I would have some sort of remote controlled release, but wireless? Wired? Mechanical? Cheap and easy is the challenge as well. If any have any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Thanks in advance, TJ Hanlon SRO, Pawling Schools I believe the device your looking for is called a Pelican Hook. The release is manual via a second rope. Any decent rigging shop or marina should be able to rent you one or point you a source for purchase. Not designed to open under load. Incorrect. The Pelican Hook was desined specifically to release a cable or chain under load in an emergency. The trebu chet users use them to hold the counter balance weight under tension. http://www.ripcord.ws/triggers.html is one example. Read that page carefully--they recommend their pelican hook for a load of up to 80 pounds, which one can release with a slip-knot. The discussion is of supporting a car. That page was offered as an example that the hooks will release under tension. Now its just a matter of scale. Larger load, larger hook. A short review of a google search will revel pelican hooks for chain with capacities of 50000 lbs are commercially available. P Hooks used with 1/2 inch steel cable start at 4000 lbs which should be sufficent for the original posters needs. Which alters the point how? Or perhaps the point that escapes you is that a pelican hook, no matter how large, was not designed as a device to suddenly release a heavy load by pulling on a lanyard. Typical use for the large ones you mention is to restrain anchor chains on large ships and thus free the windlass for other uses--they are not intended to release easily under load and in fact doing so would be a disadvantage in that use. To release the pelican hook the load on the chain is usually taken up by the windlass. The little one works on toy trebuchets only because it is not subject to much load. Note that even their larger model that is based on the pelican hook concept is modified considerably to remove any overcenter retention of the kind that is typical of a pelican hook and to provide a longer moment arm for the lanyard, and even that is not rated for really heavy loads. As the other posters have indicated, the real concern will be the crane operators skill to control the rig when the load lets loose. By the way, your manual is ready to send. Need a address to send to. My manual? Perhaps you have me confused with someone else. -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Heavy quick release mechanism???
Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:35:56 -0600, "Paul G. Shultz" wrote: As a crane operator I would not want to drop a 3000 to 4000 pound weight suddenly. When the weight is released suddenly the boom bounces upward. Whether or not that results in damage to the crane depends on a lot of variables including capacity of crane, skill of the operator, hydraulic or lattice boom crane. It would not be considered safe practice. There /are/ quick release couplings that will easily work for that - for a lead on them contact Jamie Hyneman (sp?) at M5 Engineering Special Effects in the San Francisco area - AKA 'Mythbusters'. They used them as the drop latch on the "Elevator Of Doom" episode, among others. The only way I (NOT a trained crane operator) can see it being safe to suddenly release the load like that is if the crane is Massively Oversized for the lift & drop - like a 100-ton monster that is used for heavy construction instead of a tower crane, and usually has 200 - 250 feet of boom on it. But for this you take every removable section out of the mast so there's the anchor end and the 25' stinger end, period. And even at that, I'd call P&H or Lorain and ask their engineers. You break one of those puppies, and the parts are not gonna be cheap. Another piece of parachute technology would be a tear strip (not the correct term--been a long time)--two pieces of webbing stitched together with a known stress to tear the stitching--lets one control the acceleration at both ends to a significant extent so that the weight is not released instantaneously. Often used to control opening shock. In this case could be used to prevent a sudden movement of the boom, but the downside would be that the car has to be lifted higher to hit the ground at the right speed since its acceleration will be restrained. -- Bruce -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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Which alters the point how? Or perhaps the point that escapes you is that a
By the way, your manual is ready to send. Need a address to send to. My manual? Perhaps you have me confused with someone else. My error. Wrong J. |
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