On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:33:44 -0500, Cliff wrote:

Also on my donor card and all involved know & have
instructions & a copy of the will too.
Any better suggestions?

Ever seen Python's "Meaning of Life"? Make sure the card states
the organs are to be removed *after* you're dead.
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:27:37 +0100, Jan Nielsen
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:33:44 -0500, Cliff wrote:

Also on my donor card and all involved know & have
instructions & a copy of the will too.
Any better suggestions?

Ever seen Python's "Meaning of Life"? Make sure the card states
the organs are to be removed *after* you're dead.

Ever read Larry Niven's "The Jigsaw Man"?
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Cliff

"zadoc" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:27:37 +0100, Jan Nielsen
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:33:44 -0500, Cliff wrote:

Also on my donor card and all involved know & have
instructions & a copy of the will too.
Any better suggestions?

Ever seen Python's "Meaning of Life"? Make sure the card states
the organs are to be removed *after* you're dead.

How do you want to define "death". The current definition is flat
line e.e.g. In other words, if your brain is not functioning, you
are deemed "dead". The body, though could be kept alive for a long
time.

Even in natural death with no life support many life processes still
continue. For example, from exhumations we know that hair and
fingernails can grow for several weeks or months following burial.

Not to be rude, but that is a myth. The scalp and fingertips just dehydrate
and decompose at a faster rate than the hair and nails, retracting from
them, and creating the illusion that they continue to grow.

Jeff

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:47:39 GMT, zadoc wrote:

Even in natural death with no life support many life processes still
continue. For example, from exhumations we know that hair and
fingernails can grow for several weeks or months following burial.

IIRC That's an ill-founded myth ....
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Cliff

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:18:53 GMT, zadoc wrote:

Actually, it is fairly remarkable that many of the things we believe
"just ain't necessarily so".

Anytime someone starts ranting about "common sense" you
know where they stopped thinking. If they ever began.
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Cliff

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:18:53 GMT, zadoc wrote:

If I buy a car or any other hardware, I tend to believe the
specifications.

Oops ...
In the US the EPA is revising the MPG figures to be more honest ....
in a few years. Those hybrids it seems don't really always get the
claimed MPG either it seems.
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Cliff

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:18:53 GMT, zadoc wrote:

[Perhaps because in Australia if I can show any
deception I can return the product and claim damages...]

Not really ..... but some tried.
http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/207

OTOH .....

[
The Roos Fight Back
------------------------------*------------------------------*-------------*-

This is supposedly a true story from a recent Defence Science Lectures
Series, as related by the head of the Australian DSTO's Land
Operations/Simulation division.

They've been working on some really nifty virtual reality simulators,
the case in point being to incorporate Armed Reconnaissance
Helicopters into exercises (from the data fusion point of view). Most
of the people they employ on this sort of thing are ex- (or future)
computer game programmers.

Anyway, as part of the reality parameters, they include things like
trees and animals. For the Australian simulation they included
kangaroos. In particular, they had to model kangaroo movements and
reactions to helicopters (since hordes of disturbed kangaroos might
well give away a helicopter's position).

Being good programmers, they just stole some code (which was
originally used to model infantry detachments reactions under the same
stimuli), and changed the mapped icon, the speed parameters, etc. The
first time they've gone to demonstrate this to some visiting
Americans, the hotshot pilots have decided to get "down and dirty"
with the virtual kangaroos.

So, they buzz them, and watch them scatter. The visiting Americans nod
appreciatively... then gape as the kangaroos duck around a hill, and
launch about two dozen Stinger missiles at the hapless helicopter.

Programmers look rather embarrassed at forgetting to remove *that*
part of the infantry coding... and Americans leave muttering comments
about not wanting to mess with the Aussie wildlife...

As an addendum, simulator pilots from that point onwards avoided
kangaroos like the plague, just like they were meant to do in the
first place...
]
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Cliff

"zadoc" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:10:05 -0800, "Jeff McCann"
wrote:


"zadoc" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:27:37 +0100, Jan Nielsen
wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:33:44 -0500, Cliff wrote:

Also on my donor card and all involved know & have
instructions & a copy of the will too.
Any better suggestions?

Ever seen Python's "Meaning of Life"? Make sure the card states
the organs are to be removed *after* you're dead.

How do you want to define "death". The current definition is flat
line e.e.g. In other words, if your brain is not functioning, you
are deemed "dead". The body, though could be kept alive for a long
time.

Even in natural death with no life support many life processes still
continue. For example, from exhumations we know that hair and
fingernails can grow for several weeks or months following burial.

Not to be rude, but that is a myth.

Providing info to others should never be taken as "rude". :-) I
thank you for the correction.

The scalp and fingertips just dehydrate
and decompose at a faster rate than the hair and nails, retracting from
them, and creating the illusion that they continue to grow.

Jeff

I hadn't actually researched the issue, but a quick look on Google
indicates that you are almost certainly right.

Actually, it is fairly remarkable that many of the things we believe
"just ain't necessarily so".

I've had the uncomfortable experience of being dragged, kicking and
screaming, to proof that what I thought I knew was dead flat wrong too many
times. ;-)

If anyone doesn't know the lyrics from
"Porgy and Bess" they can check at:

http://www.stlyrics.com/songs/g/geor...yso299755.html

Consider the following info:
http://nobelprize.org/medicine/laure...005/press.html

How many medical practitioners never thought of the possibility that
ulcers were the result of bacterial infection?

One of the larger surprises to medical science in modern times. A
surprising amount of medical practice is not validated by thorough,
validated research.

Actually, most of us take many things that we think we know for
granted. If I want to know the LD-50 dose of a compound, I look it up
rather than actually checking it for myself.

If I buy a car or any other hardware, I tend to believe the
specifications. [Perhaps because in Australia if I can show any
deception I can return the product and claim damages...]

Unfortunately not many on misc.survivalism seem as polite and accurate
as you seem to be.

Thank you for the kind words, although many here would doubtless disagree.
I try to be accurate, truthful and polite, but I don't hesitate to do unto
others as they have done unto me, either.

Jeff

"Cliff" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:18:53 GMT, zadoc wrote:

Actually, it is fairly remarkable that many of the things we believe
"just ain't necessarily so".

Anytime someone starts ranting about "common sense" you
know where they stopped thinking. If they ever began.

I've never understood why it's labeled "common sense" when all evidence
appears to show that it is, in fact, rather a uncommon trait.

Jeff

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:20:25 -0800, "Jeff McCann"
wrote:

Actually, it is fairly remarkable that many of the things we believe
"just ain't necessarily so".

I've had the uncomfortable experience of being dragged, kicking and
screaming, to proof that what I thought I knew was dead flat wrong too many
times. ;-)

I doubt that the wingers will accept you then. You learn g.
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Cliff

On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 04:46:57 GMT, zadoc wrote:

One of the larger surprises to medical science in modern times. A
surprising amount of medical practice is not validated by thorough,
validated research.

Which is why medicine is considered an art, not a science. Considering
that no two humans are exactly alike, it is somewhat remarkable that
it works as well as it does.

http://www.affymetrix.com/index.affx
http://www.affymetrix.com/products/index.affx
(Server seems down right now.)
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Cliff

"Cliff" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:20:25 -0800, "Jeff McCann"
wrote:

Actually, it is fairly remarkable that many of the things we believe
"just ain't necessarily so".

I've had the uncomfortable experience of being dragged, kicking and
screaming, to proof that what I thought I knew was dead flat wrong too
many
times. ;-)

I doubt that the wingers will accept you then. You learn g.

Ew, gross! It would be a sad day for me if wingers of any stripe found me
"acceptable."

Jeff