Atlas lathe on ebay....Paul

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7568037577

PJ wrote:
Atlas lathe on ebay....Paul

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7568037577

New or not, $3000 for an Atlas is just insane.

Rex

Rex B wrote:
PJ wrote:
Atlas lathe on ebay....Paul

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7568037577

New or not, $3000 for an Atlas is just insane.



Love the statement that it had never been used, yet there is a nice
pile of swarf in the chip pan under the carriage.... So much for truth
in advertising.


Craig

According to Rex B "":

PJ wrote:
Atlas lathe on ebay....Paul

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7568037577

New or not, $3000 for an Atlas is just insane.

Notice that it says "CNC" in the description, and the "swing
over bed" is claimed to be 'Over 51"', while it is stated to be a 12"
lathe in the header.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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"Rex B" wrote in message
...

PJ wrote:
Atlas lathe on ebay....Paul

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7568037577

New or not, $3000 for an Atlas is just insane.

Rex

I can't improve on that statement.

Harold

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 01:16:17 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 17:35:16 -0800, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote:


"Rex B" wrote in message
...

PJ wrote:
Atlas lathe on ebay....Paul

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7568037577

New or not, $3000 for an Atlas is just insane.

Rex

I can't improve on that statement.

Harold


How 'bout..... it didn't cost that much when it was new?
A lathe that rare (CNC type Atlas South bend) would fetch a high
price.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

"Rex B" wrote in message
...

PJ wrote:
Atlas lathe on ebay....Paul

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7568037577

New or not, $3000 for an Atlas is just insane.

Rex

I can't improve on that statement.

What do you think of this one for $1300?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Atlas-Craftsman-...cmd ZViewItem

No rust that I can see, and the seller says that " the machine has been
thoroughly checked out and repainted - looks good". I'm not sure I'd trust
his qualifications to check out a tool based on his approach to repainting.

Mike

"Mike Henry" wrote in message
...

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

"Rex B" wrote in message
...

PJ wrote:
Atlas lathe on ebay....Paul

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7568037577

New or not, $3000 for an Atlas is just insane.

Rex

I can't improve on that statement.

What do you think of this one for $1300?


http://cgi.ebay.com/Atlas-Craftsman-...emZ7572882351Q
QcategoryZ633QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

No rust that I can see, and the seller says that " the machine has been
thoroughly checked out and repainted - looks good". I'm not sure I'd
trust
his qualifications to check out a tool based on his approach to
repainting.

Mike


It looks pretty good, in my opinion. Looks like a little care has been
exercised in proper masking-----and best of all----it shows no signs of
rust, or having been cleaned of same.

Needless to say, one's opinion of the condition of ways is questionable,
without some knowledge of machine operations. To some, the very fact that
they can see ways tells them that they are fine-----not understanding that
wear on precision surfaces spells the big difference.

I always try to caution folks that just because a lathe or mill will make
chips doesn't mean it's worth owning. When you turn a handle and it
doesn't move as prescribed, what you have is often a very expensive piece of
metal that makes chips, but it's useful life as a machine tool will have
been well used up. Unless you're prepared to invest some money to restore
that which is so desirable-------precision, it often isn't worth what
you're about to pay.

Harold

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 17:35:16 -0800, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote:


"Rex B" wrote in message
...

PJ wrote:

Atlas lathe on ebay....Paul

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7568037577

New or not, $3000 for an Atlas is just insane.

Rex

I can't improve on that statement.

Harold



How 'bout..... it didn't cost that much when it was new?

I think my Atlas 10X36 with the quick change gearbox actually sold NEW
for $100 when it was originally released in the model i have in 1947

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:37:52 GMT, Ignoramus20852 wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:23:43 -0500, Brent Philion wrote:
I think my Atlas 10X36 with the quick change gearbox actually sold NEW
for $100 when it was originally released in the model i have in 1947

we need to build a time machine...

Somehow, I can't help but think that between you and Gunner, we've got
all the parts we'd need for one.

Dave "Anyone got a working set of plans?" Hinz

Brent Philion wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 17:35:16 -0800, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote:


"Rex B" wrote in message
...

PJ wrote:

Atlas lathe on ebay....Paul

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7568037577

New or not, $3000 for an Atlas is just insane.

Rex

I can't improve on that statement.

Harold



How 'bout..... it didn't cost that much when it was new?

I think my Atlas 10X36 with the quick change gearbox actually sold NEW
for $100 when it was originally released in the model i have in 1947

Actually in 1947 a plain Atlas 10X36 without motor, listed for $275..

Tom

In article , Tom
wrote:

Brent Philion wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 17:35:16 -0800, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote:


"Rex B" wrote in message
...

PJ wrote:

Atlas lathe on ebay....Paul

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7568037577

New or not, $3000 for an Atlas is just insane.

Rex

I can't improve on that statement.

Harold



How 'bout..... it didn't cost that much when it was new?

I think my Atlas 10X36 with the quick change gearbox actually sold NEW
for $100 when it was originally released in the model i have in 1947

Actually in 1947 a plain Atlas 10X36 without motor, listed for $275..

Using the Inflation Calculator at http://www.bls.gov, $275 in 1947 is
equivalent to $2,437 today.

Joe Gwinn

Joseph Gwinn wrote:
In article , Tom
wrote:


Brent Philion wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:

On Fri, 9 Dec 2005 17:35:16 -0800, "Harold and Susan Vordos"
wrote:



"Rex B" wrote in message
...


PJ wrote:


Atlas lathe on ebay....Paul

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7568037577

New or not, $3000 for an Atlas is just insane.

Rex

I can't improve on that statement.

Harold



How 'bout..... it didn't cost that much when it was new?

I think my Atlas 10X36 with the quick change gearbox actually sold NEW
for $100 when it was originally released in the model i have in 1947

Actually in 1947 a plain Atlas 10X36 without motor, listed for $275..


Using the Inflation Calculator at http://www.bls.gov, $275 in 1947 is
equivalent to $2,437 today.

Joe Gwinn
So then i didnt get hosed buying gently used with lots of tooling for
1200 Canadian (900-1000 ish us)

and funny how an asian import of around the same size HAPPENS to cost
int he ballpark of $2500

"Joseph Gwinn" wrote in message
...
In article , Tom
wrote:

snip-----

Actually in 1947 a plain Atlas 10X36 without motor, listed for $275..

Using the Inflation Calculator at http://www.bls.gov, $275 in 1947 is
equivalent to $2,437 today.

Joe Gwinn

Given the fact that gold held at roughly $300/oz for quite some time, it's
clear that the buying power of the dollar has gone straight to hell. The
official valuation of a troy ounce of gold was $35 until into the early
70's.

Considering the information provided by Joe, we've experienced 886%
inflation (that would place gold @ $310/oz), so the cost of the lathe isn't
totally unreasonable. Still, it's an Atlas-------not a Monarch. How
many EE's have been purchased for less money? Can anyone (in their
right minds, anyway) even consider comparing an Atlas with a Monarch? I
think not.

Harold

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:00:12 -0600, "Mike Henry"
wrote:


"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

"Rex B" wrote in message
...

PJ wrote:
Atlas lathe on ebay....Paul

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7568037577

New or not, $3000 for an Atlas is just insane.

Rex

I can't improve on that statement.

What do you think of this one for $1300?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Atlas-Craftsman-...cmd ZViewItem

No rust that I can see, and the seller says that " the machine has been
thoroughly checked out and repainted - looks good". I'm not sure I'd trust
his qualifications to check out a tool based on his approach to repainting.

Mike


Nice and PROPERLY repainted if a couple pictures is a good sample.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On 16 Dec 2005 20:39:37 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:37:52 GMT, Ignoramus20852 wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:23:43 -0500, Brent Philion wrote:
I think my Atlas 10X36 with the quick change gearbox actually sold NEW
for $100 when it was originally released in the model i have in 1947

we need to build a time machine...

Somehow, I can't help but think that between you and Gunner, we've got
all the parts we'd need for one.

Dave "Anyone got a working set of plans?" Hinz

I wonder..can we use the ( 2) 14" Logan QC boxes Ive got?

Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

"Mike Henry" wrote in message
...

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

"Rex B" wrote in message
...

PJ wrote:
Atlas lathe on ebay....Paul

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7568037577

New or not, $3000 for an Atlas is just insane.

Rex

I can't improve on that statement.

What do you think of this one for $1300?


http://cgi.ebay.com/Atlas-Craftsman-...emZ7572882351Q
QcategoryZ633QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

No rust that I can see, and the seller says that " the machine has been
thoroughly checked out and repainted - looks good". I'm not sure I'd
trust
his qualifications to check out a tool based on his approach to
repainting.

Mike


It looks pretty good, in my opinion. Looks like a little care has been
exercised in proper masking-----and best of all----it shows no signs of
rust, or having been cleaned of same.

I missed some evidence of rust in the closeup of the compound and steady.
It looks like he painted all of the exposed gears, the pulleys, and at least
some of the oilers. That's not a good sign in my book, though a personal
inspection might reveal a decent tool. My point was that someone that
paints gears, pulleys, oilers and fasteners in place is probably not very
well qualified to judge the condition of the tool.

Needless to say, one's opinion of the condition of ways is questionable,
without some knowledge of machine operations. To some, the very fact
that
they can see ways tells them that they are fine-----not understanding that
wear on precision surfaces spells the big difference.

Pretty tough to tell about the ways. There is some evidence of staining and
perhaps pitting in the pictures.

I always try to caution folks that just because a lathe or mill will make
chips doesn't mean it's worth owning. When you turn a handle and it
doesn't move as prescribed, what you have is often a very expensive piece
of
metal that makes chips, but it's useful life as a machine tool will have
been well used up. Unless you're prepared to invest some money to restore
that which is so desirable-------precision, it often isn't worth what
you're about to pay.

It looks like tooling on this one is limited to the 3-jaw chuck and the
steady rest - there don't even seem to be any toolholders or toolpost
included. I've owned an earlier version of that size Craftsman lathe that
was in really good shape. It's been replaced by a heavier 12x36 lathe that
turns out much better work and is much more fun to use. $1300 seems pretty
high to me, but maybe they bring that in NC.

Mike

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:00:12 -0600, "Mike Henry"
wrote:


"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

"Rex B" wrote in message
...

PJ wrote:
Atlas lathe on ebay....Paul

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7568037577

New or not, $3000 for an Atlas is just insane.

Rex

I can't improve on that statement.

What do you think of this one for $1300?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Atlas-Craftsman-...cmd ZViewItem

No rust that I can see, and the seller says that " the machine has been
thoroughly checked out and repainted - looks good". I'm not sure I'd
trust
his qualifications to check out a tool based on his approach to
repainting.

Mike


Nice and PROPERLY repainted if a couple pictures is a good sample.

I was referring to the painted gears, pulleys, and oilers. That doesn't
seem like a proper repainting job to me.

"Mike Henry" wrote in message
...
snip-----

I missed some evidence of rust in the closeup of the compound and steady.
It looks like he painted all of the exposed gears, the pulleys, and at
least
some of the oilers. That's not a good sign in my book, though a personal
inspection might reveal a decent tool. My point was that someone that
paints gears, pulleys, oilers and fasteners in place is probably not very
well qualified to judge the condition of the tool.


Nice catch, Mike. I missed them, too. I used a "magnifier" in
addition to the large photo, and there's clearly some rust showing under
paint on the steady-----and the end of the spindle has clearly been painted.
Didn't see much on the compound, but the cross slide handle sure is
suspicious. As you suggested, there's also signs of staining on the ways,
although they're not readily noticeable. Makes you wonder what else,
doesn't it?

I think it goes a long ways towards supporting the idea that a picture isn't
a very good way to analyze the condition of a machine tool.

Harold

In article , Harold and Susan Vordos says...

Nice catch, Mike. I missed them, too. I used a "magnifier" in
addition to the large photo, and there's clearly some rust showing under
paint on the steady-----and the end of the spindle has clearly been painted.
Didn't see much on the compound, but the cross slide handle sure is
suspicious. As you suggested, there's also signs of staining on the ways,
although they're not readily noticeable. Makes you wonder what else,
doesn't it?

Very telling is the photo of the end of the machine where the V-belt
sheaves were sprayed. One speed is unpainted, the one where the
belt is presently set.

Atlas uses a lot of zamac castings for handwheels and knobs, which
is why you don't see rust on them. The handwheel for the tailstock
has been replaced with a home-made affair.

Most telling of all is that every fastener has been sprayed over.

At best, one would have to inspect the machine in person before buying.
At worst, it's nearly a classic babbin re-build.

Jim


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"jim rozen" wrote in message
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snip-----

Atlas uses a lot of zamac castings for handwheels and knobs, which
is why you don't see rust on them. The handwheel for the tailstock
has been replaced with a home-made affair.

Jim

This speaks volumes about my not being well connected with the home shop
machines. I hadn't given the zamac idea a thought, although I remember all
too well that my little Craftsman lathe was so built. How soon we forget!

Harold

What cha goin' to do - double shift to light speed +?
Martin Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
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NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder



Gunner Asch wrote:
On 16 Dec 2005 20:39:37 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:


On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:37:52 GMT, Ignoramus20852 wrote:

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:23:43 -0500, Brent Philion wrote:

I think my Atlas 10X36 with the quick change gearbox actually sold NEW
for $100 when it was originally released in the model i have in 1947

we need to build a time machine...

Somehow, I can't help but think that between you and Gunner, we've got
all the parts we'd need for one.

Dave "Anyone got a working set of plans?" Hinz


I wonder..can we use the ( 2) 14" Logan QC boxes Ive got?

Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

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What cha goin' to do - double shift to light speed +?
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Gunner Asch wrote:
On 16 Dec 2005 20:39:37 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:


On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:37:52 GMT, Ignoramus20852 wrote:

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:23:43 -0500, Brent Philion wrote:

I think my Atlas 10X36 with the quick change gearbox actually sold NEW
for $100 when it was originally released in the model i have in 1947

we need to build a time machine...

Somehow, I can't help but think that between you and Gunner, we've got
all the parts we'd need for one.

Dave "Anyone got a working set of plans?" Hinz


I wonder..can we use the ( 2) 14" Logan QC boxes Ive got?

Gunner
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

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"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:36:55 -0600, "Mike Henry"
wrote:


"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:00:12 -0600, "Mike Henry"
wrote:


"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

"Rex B" wrote in message
...

PJ wrote:
Atlas lathe on ebay....Paul

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7568037577

New or not, $3000 for an Atlas is just insane.

Rex

I can't improve on that statement.

What do you think of this one for $1300?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Atlas-Craftsman-...cmd ZViewItem

No rust that I can see, and the seller says that " the machine has been
thoroughly checked out and repainted - looks good". I'm not sure I'd
trust
his qualifications to check out a tool based on his approach to
repainting.

Mike


Nice and PROPERLY repainted if a couple pictures is a good sample.

I was referring to the painted gears, pulleys, and oilers. That doesn't
seem like a proper repainting job to me.

Evidently I didnt look at those pictures. I only looked at a few, as I
indicated.
Im on dialup and currently my connection speed is 28.8. I need to pull
new phone lines ASAP. Pictures can be very very slow.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

It also looks like the head stock/leadscrew gears were completely spray painted
over in one photo. Not too cool, I'm afraid.

Mike Eberlein

jim rozen wrote:

In article , Harold and Susan Vordos says...

Nice catch, Mike. I missed them, too. I used a "magnifier" in
addition to the large photo, and there's clearly some rust showing under
paint on the steady-----and the end of the spindle has clearly been painted.
Didn't see much on the compound, but the cross slide handle sure is
suspicious. As you suggested, there's also signs of staining on the ways,
although they're not readily noticeable. Makes you wonder what else,
doesn't it?

Very telling is the photo of the end of the machine where the V-belt
sheaves were sprayed. One speed is unpainted, the one where the
belt is presently set.

Atlas uses a lot of zamac castings for handwheels and knobs, which
is why you don't see rust on them. The handwheel for the tailstock
has been replaced with a home-made affair.

Most telling of all is that every fastener has been sprayed over.

At best, one would have to inspect the machine in person before buying.
At worst, it's nearly a classic babbin re-build.

Jim

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