Hey Gunner,

I know you are very politically active, but could you please
reconsider including the metalworking newsgroups in your crossposting?
It's a simple matter to remove them before replying... or when
starting a post, keeping metalworking OUT of the list.

I know you feel your political opinion is MORE important than the
concept of keeping a newsgroup on-topic, but it would still be nice.

I'm not asking this to squelch your opinions or to infringe on your
rights to free speach... I'm just asking you with the presumption
that you have mannors and are polite enough to understand crossposting
isn't really liked by most people looking to read, learn, and chat
about METALWORKING.


I honestly think you will utterly Ignore this request, but I thought
it was worth a try. This is a perfect time to show that your politics
INCLUDE kindness, understanding, and graciousness, and your response
will say a lot about you.

James, Seattle

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:34:31 -0800, RainLover wrote:
Hey Gunner,

I know you are very politically active, but could you please
reconsider including the metalworking newsgroups in your crossposting?
It's a simple matter to remove them before replying... or when
starting a post, keeping metalworking OUT of the list.

Perhaps you're not noticing that often OT: posts will have OT:
in the subject line. You can set up your newsreader to ignore those
threads. Filtering is much more of a workable approach than trying to
dictate what someone else does or doesn't post.

I'm not asking this to squelch your opinions or to infringe on your
rights to free speach... I'm just asking you with the presumption
that you have mannors and are polite enough to understand crossposting
isn't really liked by most people looking to read, learn, and chat
about METALWORKING.

Yeah, like I said. Learn to filter and you'll enjoy Unenet much more.

I honestly think you will utterly Ignore this request, but I thought
it was worth a try. This is a perfect time to show that your politics
INCLUDE kindness, understanding, and graciousness, and your response
will say a lot about you.

He's perfectly right to ignore your request, it's unreasonable. The
problem has already been solved, you just need to use it. Filter posts
with OT: in the subject line, and you'll be fine.

Dave Hinz wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:34:31 -0800, RainLover wrote:

Hey Gunner,

I know you are very politically active, but could you please
reconsider including the metalworking newsgroups in your crossposting?
It's a simple matter to remove them before replying... or when
starting a post, keeping metalworking OUT of the list.


Perhaps you're not noticing that often OT: posts will have OT:
in the subject line. You can set up your newsreader to ignore those
threads. Filtering is much more of a workable approach than trying to
dictate what someone else does or doesn't post.


I'm not asking this to squelch your opinions or to infringe on your
rights to free speach... I'm just asking you with the presumption
that you have mannors and are polite enough to understand crossposting
isn't really liked by most people looking to read, learn, and chat
about METALWORKING.


Yeah, like I said. Learn to filter and you'll enjoy Unenet much more.


I honestly think you will utterly Ignore this request, but I thought
it was worth a try. This is a perfect time to show that your politics
INCLUDE kindness, understanding, and graciousness, and your response
will say a lot about you.


He's perfectly right to ignore your request, it's unreasonable. The
problem has already been solved, you just need to use it. Filter posts
with OT: in the subject line, and you'll be fine.

I disagree. I like the occasional OT post about someone's truck or
their new baby or whatever. I do _not_ like incessant OT posts on one
topic -- it means that I have to choose between losing those occasional
OT posts that I want to see, or that I have to waste a lot of time
paging through the "Cliff & Gunner Show".

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:47:43 -0800, Tim Wescott wrote:
Dave Hinz wrote:

He's perfectly right to ignore your request, it's unreasonable. The
problem has already been solved, you just need to use it. Filter posts
with OT: in the subject line, and you'll be fine.

I disagree. I like the occasional OT post about someone's truck or
their new baby or whatever. I do _not_ like incessant OT posts on one
topic

So...you're OK with some OT posts, but not all OT posts, so people
shouldn't post what Tim doesn't want to read. I see.

-- it means that I have to choose between losing those occasional
OT posts that I want to see, or that I have to waste a lot of time
paging through the "Cliff & Gunner Show".

Or you can killfile by thread or keyword in subject lines. Or you can
just complain about it.

Dave Hinz wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:47:43 -0800, Tim Wescott wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:



He's perfectly right to ignore your request, it's unreasonable. The
problem has already been solved, you just need to use it. Filter posts
with OT: in the subject line, and you'll be fine.



I disagree. I like the occasional OT post about someone's truck or
their new baby or whatever. I do _not_ like incessant OT posts on one
topic


So...you're OK with some OT posts, but not all OT posts, so people
shouldn't post what Tim doesn't want to read. I see.

The key words are "incessant" vs. "occasional", as I suspect you know.
Just in case you're confused incessant posts about your new baby would
irritate just as much as the political gas being generated. Posts about
your truck would also wear thin, but it would take longer because trucks
have more metal content than babies or politicians.

Y'know if you don't like the idea of people wanting this to be a
metalworking newsgroup you could just killfile those of us who do.

-- it means that I have to choose between losing those occasional
OT posts that I want to see, or that I have to waste a lot of time
paging through the "Cliff & Gunner Show".


Or you can killfile by thread or keyword in subject lines. Or you can
just complain about it.


--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:02:23 -0800, Tim Wescott wrote:
Dave Hinz wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:47:43 -0800, Tim Wescott wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:



He's perfectly right to ignore your request, it's unreasonable. The
problem has already been solved, you just need to use it. Filter posts
with OT: in the subject line, and you'll be fine.



I disagree. I like the occasional OT post about someone's truck or
their new baby or whatever. I do _not_ like incessant OT posts on one
topic


So...you're OK with some OT posts, but not all OT posts, so people
shouldn't post what Tim doesn't want to read. I see.

The key words are "incessant" vs. "occasional", as I suspect you know.

So then killfile by poster. Isn't choice _wonderful_?

Just in case you're confused incessant posts about your new baby would
irritate just as much as the political gas being generated. Posts about
your truck would also wear thin, but it would take longer because trucks
have more metal content than babies or politicians.

Let me repeat myself. Learn how to filter, and then you can
programatically ignore whatever the hell you want. Telling people what
not to post will never, ever, work.

Y'know if you don't like the idea of people wanting this to be a
metalworking newsgroup you could just killfile those of us who do.

All I'm seeing here, Tim, is you complaining that you choose not to
filter.

I think it is most important for the people who DO get irritated at OT stuff
to realize that it is NOT the OT stuff that is the death-knell of a group,
but rather good people LEAVING.
The good **** can continue and thrive amidst all the OT stuff in the world,
as long as the people w/ good ON-topic stuff don't leave.
Has been a problem in some formerly very fine ngs, even a problem in amc.

But, I basically agree w/ Tim's take on "incessant" vs. "occasional". And
the simple fact that ng's are, in fact, classified by subject.
Having said that, ignoring **** you don't wanna read is pretty simple, which
is good, in light of the above..
It's all about mutual consideration--easier for some than for others. And,
on average country-wide, is likely to continue to drop, likely precipitously
in the near future--yo.

Plus Gunner does like cats--that's important... AND he might be able to
help me w/ my concrete anti-fereigner bunker.

Having said dat, y'all ain't seen nuthin ito group abuse--cocksuckers
conducting whole threads under assumed names, replying to each other, even
assuming the names of regular posters. Incredible... rec.running,
misc.fitness.weights, proly a cupla others. Had nearly destroyed the groups
at one point.

rcm, amc are among the best, really productive ng's.
----------------------------
Mr. P.V.'d
formerly Droll Troll
"Tim Wescott" wrote in message
...
Dave Hinz wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:47:43 -0800, Tim Wescott
wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:


He's perfectly right to ignore your request, it's unreasonable. The
problem has already been solved, you just need to use it. Filter posts
with OT: in the subject line, and you'll be fine.


I disagree. I like the occasional OT post about someone's truck or their
new baby or whatever. I do _not_ like incessant OT posts on one topic


So...you're OK with some OT posts, but not all OT posts, so people
shouldn't post what Tim doesn't want to read. I see.

The key words are "incessant" vs. "occasional", as I suspect you know.
Just in case you're confused incessant posts about your new baby would
irritate just as much as the political gas being generated. Posts about
your truck would also wear thin, but it would take longer because trucks
have more metal content than babies or politicians.

Y'know if you don't like the idea of people wanting this to be a
metalworking newsgroup you could just killfile those of us who do.

-- it means that I have to choose between losing those occasional OT
posts that I want to see, or that I have to waste a lot of time paging
through the "Cliff & Gunner Show".


Or you can killfile by thread or keyword in subject lines. Or you can
just complain about it.


--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...

Perhaps you're not noticing that often OT: posts will have OT:

There is a REASON why we have our groups set up by topic. Putting "OT"
before an off-topic post does nothing to somehow correct your abuse of the
system. With honest regrets, I blocked Gunner years ago...and now Dave.

Vaughn

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:12:51 GMT, Vaughn wrote:

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...

Perhaps you're not noticing that often OT: posts will have OT:

There is a REASON why we have our groups set up by topic. Putting "OT"
before an off-topic post does nothing to somehow correct your abuse of the
system. With honest regrets, I blocked Gunner years ago...and now Dave.

Your choice. I'm explaining to someone what the reality of the
situation is, and how to use that convention to improve what they see
when they read the group. Apparently you find that offensive. I can
live with that fact.

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:34:31 -0800, RainLover
wrote:
Hey Gunner,

I know you are very politically active, but could you please
reconsider including the metalworking newsgroups in your crossposting?
It's a simple matter to remove them before replying... or when
starting a post, keeping metalworking OUT of the list.

Perhaps you're not noticing that often OT: posts will have OT:
in the subject line. You can set up your newsreader to ignore those
threads. Filtering is much more of a workable approach than trying to
dictate what someone else does or doesn't post.

It was a simple request, not a dictation. And a reasonable one to my view,
especially on original messages that are cross-posted. If the message is
all that important to get out it should be worth the effort of creating
separate messages to each ng that one feels will be benefitted by the
opinion expressed therein.

I'm not asking this to squelch your opinions or to infringe on your
rights to free speach... I'm just asking you with the presumption
that you have mannors and are polite enough to understand crossposting
isn't really liked by most people looking to read, learn, and chat
about METALWORKING.

Yeah, like I said. Learn to filter and you'll enjoy Unenet much more.

Sounds like you are saying that all of us that aren't interested in teh
message should be willing to expend the effort to filter whereas Gunner
shouldn't be bothered to stop cross-posting. What makes his time more
valuable than those of us that aren't interested?

I honestly think you will utterly Ignore this request, but I thought
it was worth a try. This is a perfect time to show that your politics
INCLUDE kindness, understanding, and graciousness, and your response
will say a lot about you.

He's perfectly right to ignore your request, it's unreasonable. The
problem has already been solved, you just need to use it. Filter posts
with OT: in the subject line, and you'll be fine.

That would make the OT posts of interest unavailable and some of those are
at least interesting. IMHO.

Mike

Mike Henry wrote:
"Dave Hinz" wrote in message

He's perfectly right to ignore your request, it's unreasonable. The
problem has already been solved, you just need to use it. Filter posts
with OT: in the subject line, and you'll be fine.


That would make the OT posts of interest unavailable and some of those are
at least interesting. IMHO.

Mike

I share the point of view of Mike and Rainlover here. One shouldn't have
to use a message filter. It's a bit like the break-ins at Tom's factory.
You aren't going to tell him that the problem has been solved - he
should simply hire a team of 24 hour armed guards with crew cuts and an
armoured truck - because the bottom line is that he shouldn't have to.
The problem shouldn't exist in the first place. And this applies to the
OT problem, too.

Chris

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:55:40 -0600, Mike Henry wrote:

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...

Perhaps you're not noticing that often OT: posts will have OT:
in the subject line. You can set up your newsreader to ignore those
threads. Filtering is much more of a workable approach than trying to
dictate what someone else does or doesn't post.

It was a simple request, not a dictation. And a reasonable one to my view,
especially on original messages that are cross-posted. If the message is
all that important to get out it should be worth the effort of creating
separate messages to each ng that one feels will be benefitted by the
opinion expressed therein.

Well, crossposted messages are rarely on-topic for all groups, and even
more rarely _stay_ on-topic for all groups they're sent to. As such,
they're safely filtered once they pass 3 groups, in my opinion. The
regexp for the filter is simple for that one:
Newsgroups: *,*,*

It's a problem easily solved. Just like OT: in the subject is:
Subject: *OT:*

If your newsreader doesn't support killfiles with regular expressions,
get a better one which does - almost all of them do.

Yeah, like I said. Learn to filter and you'll enjoy Unenet much more.

Sounds like you are saying that all of us that aren't interested in teh
message should be willing to expend the effort to filter whereas Gunner
shouldn't be bothered to stop cross-posting. What makes his time more
valuable than those of us that aren't interested?

Well, you're not interested in one thing, some other guy isn't
interested in some other thing, and so on. Client-side is the logical
place to institute filtering when (a) it varies by client, and (b) it's
not likely to happen at the source. The sources are putting the OT:
tags in the headers to make filtering easy.

This is just like being at a party, and there's a group over in the
corner talking about Fantasy Football. You don't care about Fantasy
Football. Do you go over and demand they talk about something
different, or do you just not hang out in that corner?

He's perfectly right to ignore your request, it's unreasonable. The
problem has already been solved, you just need to use it. Filter posts
with OT: in the subject line, and you'll be fine.

That would make the OT posts of interest unavailable and some of those are
at least interesting. IMHO.

So you want people to post OT as long as it's interesting to you
personally. No filter in the world can do that.

On 11 Nov 2005 16:38:25 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:34:31 -0800, RainLover wrote:
Hey Gunner,

I know you are very politically active, but could you please
reconsider including the metalworking newsgroups in your crossposting?
It's a simple matter to remove them before replying... or when
starting a post, keeping metalworking OUT of the list.

Perhaps you're not noticing that often OT: posts will have OT:
in the subject line. You can set up your newsreader to ignore those
threads. Filtering is much more of a workable approach than trying to
dictate what someone else does or doesn't post.

So, what you're saying is this: 1,000 people should all have to
configure their newsreaders to filter ONE or TWO people's posts
instead of those two people just keeping their posts where they are
welcomed?

Hm.... I'd LIKE to think Gunner and company are more polite and aware
than that... but I could be wrong.

James, Seattle

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:25:05 -0800, RainLover
wrote:

On 11 Nov 2005 16:38:25 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:34:31 -0800, RainLover wrote:
Hey Gunner,

I know you are very politically active, but could you please
reconsider including the metalworking newsgroups in your crossposting?
It's a simple matter to remove them before replying... or when
starting a post, keeping metalworking OUT of the list.

Perhaps you're not noticing that often OT: posts will have OT:
in the subject line. You can set up your newsreader to ignore those
threads. Filtering is much more of a workable approach than trying to
dictate what someone else does or doesn't post.

So, what you're saying is this: 1,000 people should all have to
configure their newsreaders to filter ONE or TWO people's posts
instead of those two people just keeping their posts where they are
welcomed?

Hm.... I'd LIKE to think Gunner and company are more polite and aware
than that... but I could be wrong.

James, Seattle

So correct me if Im wrong James, but you are claiming that Some
crossposts are ok, while others are not? One of course must assume
that the differenation is by your standards, and not the standards of
others. Is this also correct?

So is perhaps you are interested in something to do with
say...automobiles, thats a gold standard, while anything you disagree
with in substance, or you have no interest in, is to be forbidden?

I think I see a problem here.........


Respectfuly

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:19:22 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:25:05 -0800, RainLover
wrote:

On 11 Nov 2005 16:38:25 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:34:31 -0800, RainLover wrote:
Hey Gunner,

I know you are very politically active, but could you please
reconsider including the metalworking newsgroups in your crossposting?
It's a simple matter to remove them before replying... or when
starting a post, keeping metalworking OUT of the list.

Perhaps you're not noticing that often OT: posts will have OT:
in the subject line. You can set up your newsreader to ignore those
threads. Filtering is much more of a workable approach than trying to
dictate what someone else does or doesn't post.

So, what you're saying is this: 1,000 people should all have to
configure their newsreaders to filter ONE or TWO people's posts
instead of those two people just keeping their posts where they are
welcomed?

Hm.... I'd LIKE to think Gunner and company are more polite and aware
than that... but I could be wrong.

James, Seattle

So correct me if Im wrong James, but you are claiming that Some
crossposts are ok, while others are not? One of course must assume
that the differenation is by your standards, and not the standards of
others. Is this also correct?

NO. It's not. There's a huge difference between posting "How do I
weld aluminum" to RCM AND metalworking.engineering and posting
"LIEberals Suck" to RCM and, say, "alt.survivalist"

Do you see a difference?



So is perhaps you are interested in something to do with
say...automobiles, thats a gold standard, while anything you disagree
with in substance, or you have no interest in, is to be forbidden?

If you don't see a difference between the odd automobile post and your
incessant political rants, then you're beyond help.

I'm only asking you to be polite and post political discussions in
political newsgroups. It seems that's too much to ask of you. I'm
sorry.


I think I see a problem here.........

Indeed there is.


Respectfuly

Gunner

If you honestly had RESPECT, you'd keep your political posts in
political newsgroups. When you say "respectfully", it drips with
sarcasm.

James, Seattle

On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:02:02 -0800, RainLover wrote:

NO. It's not. There's a huge difference between posting "How do I
weld aluminum" to RCM AND metalworking.engineering and posting
"LIEberals Suck" to RCM and, say, "alt.survivalist"

Killfile regexp:
Subject: *alt.survivalist*

Do you see a difference?

Yeah, you want various filters and don't know how to build them. Happy
to help.

If you don't see a difference between the odd automobile post and your
incessant political rants, then you're beyond help.

Then the killfile entry you need is something like:
From: *gunner*

I'm only asking you to be polite and post political discussions in
political newsgroups. It seems that's too much to ask of you. I'm
sorry.

The solution is easy, and only you know what you do and don't want to
see. THis isn't a complicated problem, but you're choosing to dictate
what someone posts. The reality is, you won't have any luck dictating
what _everyone_ you ever interact with posts. The only way to retain
your sanity is to block subjects, senders, and crossposts you don't want
to see.

If you honestly had RESPECT, you'd keep your political posts in
political newsgroups. When you say "respectfully", it drips with
sarcasm.

James, he is good about putting OT: in the subject. That convention was
come up with decades ago for Usenet, to make it easy to filter. Feel
free to keep pushing the rock up the hill if you want, but you won't get
anywhere.

Top posted for Gunner
It wouldn't matter how many folk ya plonk as long as there are others to
keep replying to crossposted off topic policrap it is going to pop back up.
If you filter OT then you lose a lot of the sometimes interesting stuff.
Part of the problem is that the crossposting has gotten sort of epidemic.
Gunner is not the only one crossposting to RCM from other groups with
policrap.
FUN FUN FUN
"RainLover" wrote in message
...
On 11 Nov 2005 16:38:25 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:34:31 -0800, RainLover
wrote:
Hey Gunner,

I know you are very politically active, but could you please
reconsider including the metalworking newsgroups in your crossposting?
It's a simple matter to remove them before replying... or when
starting a post, keeping metalworking OUT of the list.

Perhaps you're not noticing that often OT: posts will have OT:
in the subject line. You can set up your newsreader to ignore those
threads. Filtering is much more of a workable approach than trying to
dictate what someone else does or doesn't post.

So, what you're saying is this: 1,000 people should all have to
configure their newsreaders to filter ONE or TWO people's posts
instead of those two people just keeping their posts where they are
welcomed?

Hm.... I'd LIKE to think Gunner and company are more polite and aware
than that... but I could be wrong.

James, Seattle

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:25:05 -0800, RainLover wrote:
On 11 Nov 2005 16:38:25 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

Perhaps you're not noticing that often OT: posts will have OT:
in the subject line. You can set up your newsreader to ignore those
threads. Filtering is much more of a workable approach than trying to
dictate what someone else does or doesn't post.

So, what you're saying is this: 1,000 people should all have to
configure their newsreaders to filter ONE or TWO people's posts
instead of those two people just keeping their posts where they are
welcomed?

No, what I'm saying is that when it's simple to do (control-K in many
newsreaders brings up the killfile dialog, see your documentation),
people waste more time bitching about it than just exercising their
killfiles. Mine has thousands of entries, and I sweep it out every 5
years or so.

Hm.... I'd LIKE to think Gunner and company are more polite and aware
than that... but I could be wrong.

Nobody knows what or who you do or don't want to read better than you.
You can killfile by anything - sender, people being responded to, time
of day, crossposts, _anything_. I don't know what you want and don't
want to read, but if you killfile subjects with OT: in them, I'm
guessing you'll have less to complain about.

RainLover wrote:

Hey Gunner,

I know you are very politically active, but could you please
reconsider including the metalworking newsgroups in your crossposting?
It's a simple matter to remove them before replying... or when
starting a post, keeping metalworking OUT of the list.

I know you feel your political opinion is MORE important than the
concept of keeping a newsgroup on-topic, but it would still be nice.

I'm not asking this to squelch your opinions or to infringe on your
rights to free speach... I'm just asking you with the presumption
that you have mannors and are polite enough to understand crossposting
isn't really liked by most people looking to read, learn, and chat
about METALWORKING.


I honestly think you will utterly Ignore this request, but I thought
it was worth a try. This is a perfect time to show that your politics
INCLUDE kindness, understanding, and graciousness, and your response
will say a lot about you.

James, Seattle

Don't forget Cliff and his doppelganger -- Gunner at least occasionally
posts real content here.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

In article , RainLover says...

I honestly think you will utterly Ignore this request, but I thought
it was worth a try.

I think he calmed it down a bit a while ago when I asked. I
do know that I was classing him in the same catagory as Cliff
until he did so.

Jim


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jim rozen wrote:
In article , RainLover says...


I honestly think you will utterly Ignore this request, but I thought
it was worth a try.


I think he calmed it down a bit a while ago when I asked. I
do know that I was classing him in the same catagory as Cliff
until he did so.

Jim


_And_ Gunner also posts useful metalworking content, that's based on
real experience -- I have yet to see Cliff post something on this group
that is on topic.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:28:02 -0800, Tim Wescott
wrote:




_And_ Gunner also posts useful metalworking content, that's based on
real experience -- I have yet to see Cliff post something on this group
that is on topic.

Gunner has the place of honor in my killfile, number one. Cliff is
there next, global, I don't want to read either one of them. The one
in two hundred postings from gummer that are metal related, I can
llive without Several others, I check to see where the posting
originated, if not RCM, kill that poster. Makes life a lot easier,
and roughly half of the garbage is filtered just with Cliff and
gunnner. Maybe it's time to get a moderated group and get rid of the
political bullcrap.

Rich

In article , Richard says...

...Maybe it's time to get a moderated group and get rid of the
political bullcrap.

This one works:

http://www.practicalmachinist.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi

Jim


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The worst I can say about Gunner is he interjects some of his OT political
bantering in the middle of long threads started by "hit collecting" trolls.
IMO, it would be much more appropriate in keeping with the letter, if not
the spirit, of usenet if Gunner would open posts under his own name. I
don't mean Gunner is trying to hide anything. Not at all. It's just that
he is adding roughage to the diets of trolls. I can hear it now; Iggy says
to Beanie Copter, "Hey can you believe it, I opened a thread on RCM and some
clown named Gunner soon blew it up to over 200 hits. Wooohooo!"

Bob Swinney

"jim rozen" wrote in message
...
In article , Richard says...

...Maybe it's time to get a moderated group and get rid of the
political bullcrap.

This one works:

http://www.practicalmachinist.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi

Jim


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This whole thread is off-topic, since it deals with posting--not metal. As
much as I disagree with Gunner's politics, I read almost all of his on topic
posts. It's pretty easy to pick them out. And, I wouldn't want to lose his
cat-related posts.

Richard wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:28:02 -0800, Tim Wescott
wrote:
Maybe it's time to get a moderated group and get rid of the
political bullcrap.

Rich

Being new here I'm pretty sure my opinion is fairly worthless, but I would
vote for just using scorefiles or kill files instead of having a moderator.
Pretty easy if you are using Pan, Knode or slrn, Im sure windows has some
excellent newsreaders also.

Posting from beautiful Hancock, Mi

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:34:31 -0800, RainLover
wrote:

Hey Gunner,

I know you are very politically active, but could you please
reconsider including the metalworking newsgroups in your crossposting?
It's a simple matter to remove them before replying... or when
starting a post, keeping metalworking OUT of the list.

I know you feel your political opinion is MORE important than the
concept of keeping a newsgroup on-topic, but it would still be nice.

I'm not asking this to squelch your opinions or to infringe on your
rights to free speach... I'm just asking you with the presumption
that you have mannors and are polite enough to understand crossposting
isn't really liked by most people looking to read, learn, and chat
about METALWORKING.


I honestly think you will utterly Ignore this request, but I thought
it was worth a try. This is a perfect time to show that your politics
INCLUDE kindness, understanding, and graciousness, and your response
will say a lot about you.

James, Seattle

Your plea is noted. And while its interesting...its also noted that
apparently you are unable to figure out how to set up an OT filter.

If you would like, Id be most happy to assist you in this endeavor.

Respects

Gunner, who has been called many things, but seldom kind,
understanding and gracious, except by women.

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:07:14 GMT, Gunner wrote:

Your plea is noted. And while its interesting...its also noted that
apparently you are unable to figure out how to set up an OT filter.
If you would like, Id be most happy to assist you in this endeavor.

Please don't offer technical support in this forum, it's supposed to be
for people to complain about posts they don't like, not about helping
them go not see them. If you don't stop offering to help the
complainers, I may be forced to complain a second time.

" Gunner, who has been called many things, but seldom kind,
understanding and gracious, except by women and their seeing-eye-dogs.

Your plea is noted. And while its interesting...its also noted that
apparently you are unable to figure out how to set up an OT filter.

And when all the ISPs stop covering newsgroups and we are all forced to use
a web interface that does not easily facilitate filtering... What then will
the answer be?
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:41:03 GMT, Joe AutoDrill wrote:
Your plea is noted. And while its interesting...its also noted that
apparently you are unable to figure out how to set up an OT filter.

And when all the ISPs stop covering newsgroups and we are all forced to use
a web interface that does not easily facilitate filtering... What then will
the answer be?

Subscribe to an NNTP server that is independant of your ISP.
news.individual.net is a great option.

And when all the ISPs stop covering newsgroups and we are all forced to
use
a web interface that does not easily facilitate filtering... What then
will
the answer be?

Subscribe to an NNTP server that is independant of your ISP.
news.individual.net is a great option.

I used them for years. When they went to the "pay for" structure, I sought
out a free alternative. ...Which works wonderfully for now. If newsgroups
ever go the way of "access via web or pay more", I'll just quit reading
them. I have plenty of other areas that could use my time and/or money more
efficiently regardless of how nice and smart people are on the groups I
visit.
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Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
(908) 542-0244
Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com

V8013-R

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 21:26:17 GMT, Joe AutoDrill wrote:
(I wrote)

Subscribe to an NNTP server that is independant of your ISP.
news.individual.net is a great option.

I used them for years. When they went to the "pay for" structure, I sought
out a free alternative. ...Which works wonderfully for now.

Ah. I've used them for years, and when they went to the "pay for"
structure, I kicked in 13 bucks for the year. So far, works out to
about $2.50 per year of news service, averaged out.

If newsgroups
ever go the way of "access via web or pay more", I'll just quit reading
them. I have plenty of other areas that could use my time and/or money more
efficiently regardless of how nice and smart people are on the groups I
visit.

Fair enough. For me, a few cents a day is worth it for a reliable
newsfeed, and to not have to deal with some random ISP's clueless
support folks not knowing what usenet is, let alone how to support it.

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:41:03 GMT, "Joe AutoDrill"
wrote:

Your plea is noted. And while its interesting...its also noted that
apparently you are unable to figure out how to set up an OT filter.

And when all the ISPs stop covering newsgroups and we are all forced to use
a web interface that does not easily facilitate filtering... What then will
the answer be?

"Johns Mustache is green."


Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

Gunner wrote:

Your plea is noted. And while its interesting...its also noted that
apparently you are unable to figure out how to set up an OT filter.

If you would like, Id be most happy to assist you in this endeavor.

Computer support is OT for this newsgroup. Don't p*ss off the OP.

Wes S
-- A man should be free to do as he pleases as long as he
is willing to suffer the consequences.--

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:34:31 -0800, RainLover
wrote:

Hey Gunner,

I know you are very politically active, but could you please
reconsider including the metalworking newsgroups in your crossposting?
It's a simple matter to remove them before replying... or when
starting a post, keeping metalworking OUT of the list.

I know you feel your political opinion is MORE important than the
concept of keeping a newsgroup on-topic, but it would still be nice.

I'm not asking this to squelch your opinions or to infringe on your
rights to free speach... I'm just asking you with the presumption
that you have mannors and are polite enough to understand crossposting
isn't really liked by most people looking to read, learn, and chat
about METALWORKING.


I honestly think you will utterly Ignore this request, but I thought
it was worth a try. This is a perfect time to show that your politics
INCLUDE kindness, understanding, and graciousness, and your response
will say a lot about you.

James, Seattle

Your plea is noted. And while its interesting...its also noted that
apparently you are unable to figure out how to set up an OT filter.

If you would like, Id be most happy to assist you in this endeavor.

Couldn't you at least consider posting original messages separately in
newsgroups instead of crossposting them?


Respects

Gunner, who has been called many things, but seldom kind,
understanding and gracious, except by women.

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:00:48 -0600, "Mike Henry"
wrote:


Your plea is noted. And while its interesting...its also noted that
apparently you are unable to figure out how to set up an OT filter.

If you would like, Id be most happy to assist you in this endeavor.

Couldn't you at least consider posting original messages separately in
newsgroups instead of crossposting them?

Ive considered it at length.

Respectfuly yours
Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:00:48 -0600, "Mike Henry"
wrote:


Your plea is noted. And while its interesting...its also noted that
apparently you are unable to figure out how to set up an OT filter.

If you would like, Id be most happy to assist you in this endeavor.

Couldn't you at least consider posting original messages separately in
newsgroups instead of crossposting them?

Ive considered it at length.

And decided it wasn't worth your time?


Respectfuly yours
Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

In article , Gunner Asch says...

Couldn't you at least consider posting original messages separately in
newsgroups instead of crossposting them?

Ive considered it at length.

LOL. Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

Interestingly you don't go back and put the crosspost
back *in* the way that one loony used to - was that
cass? That actually got his ISP to yank his account.

Basically what somebody has to invent is the key on our
computer that makes *your* computer default to posting
to one group.

The rest of rcm would be hitting that key endlessly....

Maybe DoN could whip something up.

After that he could invent that button I've wanted all
these years. The button on my phone, that makes the
ther person's phone explode on their desk. Ah how
polite everyone would be....

Jim


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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:07:14 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 08:34:31 -0800, RainLover
wrote:

Hey Gunner,

I know you are very politically active, but could you please
reconsider including the metalworking newsgroups in your crossposting?
It's a simple matter to remove them before replying... or when
starting a post, keeping metalworking OUT of the list.

I know you feel your political opinion is MORE important than the
concept of keeping a newsgroup on-topic, but it would still be nice.

I'm not asking this to squelch your opinions or to infringe on your
rights to free speach... I'm just asking you with the presumption
that you have mannors and are polite enough to understand crossposting
isn't really liked by most people looking to read, learn, and chat
about METALWORKING.


I honestly think you will utterly Ignore this request, but I thought
it was worth a try. This is a perfect time to show that your politics
INCLUDE kindness, understanding, and graciousness, and your response
will say a lot about you.

James, Seattle

Your plea is noted. And while its interesting...its also noted that
apparently you are unable to figure out how to set up an OT filter.

I was hoping for more from you. I suppose it was too much to
expect... I mean, respect for everyone in the newsgroup... it's
obvious you see yourself as more important than mannors themselves.

Sort of goes with all your politics though.

And yes. I know how to use my killfile, but like someone else
mentioned, one out of ever 200 of your posts are helpful... I was
hoping you wouldn't make EVERYONE else killfile you, but now it's
clear.

James, Seattle