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On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:18:05 -0800, "Hawke"
wrote:

Or how about George Bush? Do you think he'd
wind up rich if he had nothing to start with? You already know the answer to
that one. Did you also know that half of the wealthy in the U.S. got their
money through inheritance?

The cuts in the "death tax" to save family farmers.
Right. At most about 500 of them would be impacted.
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On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 07:00:27 -0800, "SteveB"
wrote:

BTW, I get SS

Which you loudly object to.

based on money I put in while working,

Nope. Based on other things.
You may well be taking far, far more than you ever
paid.

and a union pension from a job

And you are no doubt against unions.

I chose as a career because I knew it had benefits.

Which far, far fewer have these days. And even fewer
can depend on being there later after some republican
raids the funds or otherwise cheats them.

And I still horsetrade for spending money.

IOW You are a criminal that fails to pay their income taxes.

My golden years are going to be spent
enjoying what I make.

Not in jail?

Catastrophic illness can't wipe me out because I have
structured all my assets in trusts that can't be touched.

IOW You are cheating your creditors while living on welfare.

Something anyone can do.

snicker

And when I did have a catastrophic illness, cabgx5 avr, insurance
covered all but $3,000 out of $230,000.

Lucky, lucky you.

And that was paid for by my paying
insurance premiums for 30 years.

Sounded like the union contract did that.

Something any Democrat or Republican can
do.

Join a union? Lie? Skip out on your taxes? Hide
assets from your credtors? Live in a bunker well stocked
with Lithium?
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On 3 Nov 2005 11:16:22 -0800, jim rozen
wrote:

In article .com, tilly
the troll says:

That's the real problem. We let the lib-tard following mind-numb robot
clones vote when we should really give them all non-pointy scisssors,
construction paper and not-toxic (edible) paste and let them sit in the
park and make paper flowers while we employ some of the marginally
mainstreamable lib-tards to walk around with druel rags so the
construction paper doesn't get all soggy.

Fascinating. Is this what reasoned opinion looks like on your
planet?

Jim

Ayup...and it appears we see the opening gambit of a case of denial on
yours. G

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

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On 3 Nov 2005 13:43:39 -0800, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , pyotr filipivich
says...

To a modern liberal, anyone who was President before LBJ was a
Republican.

To a modern neocon, LBJ was a flaming liberal.

:^)

Jim

He was a flaming liberal. They tend to kill people in job lots and
put everyone on the dole.

Google "great society"....which started over 40 yrs of destruction of
the black race in America.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

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On 3 Nov 2005 21:43:39 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:38:13 GMT, pyotr filipivich wrote:

And FDR did start a war with a country which posed no threat to the US,
ergo, he must have been a Republican.

Which country, specifically, would _that_ be?

Germany of course.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

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On 3 Nov 2005 13:55:59 -0800, jim rozen
wrote:

In article . com, tillius
says...

I take exception with lumping VA benefits in with welfare.

But that's what they a an entitlement program, just like
AFDC, Medicare, Social Security, and so on.

Ah...no. VA benefits are contractual obligations of the government.
They are quite clearly spelled out in the contract.

Gunner




Basically they're all systems that take money from folks
with money, and give it to folks who don't have money.

Like most entitlement programs today, the republicans are
busy chiseling away at veteran's benefits. They think
they're welfare, too.

Jim

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

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Tell ya what, I can tell a troll when I see one.

Nah, I'm an Ogre. Much nastier than the feeble minded and usually
liberal troll. :)

Do you *ever* make any sense, anywhere?

Yep. Especially when I say pinko

Tillman the ogre, using facts to shake the foundations of the socialist
bridge and much feared by pinko lib-tards everywhere.

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In article .com, tillius
says...

Tillman the ogre, using facts

Is that what you call those. Your personality
is simply amazing. Have a nice time reworking
that lathe. Folks will be falling all over
themselves to help.

Jim


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Have a nice time reworking
that lathe. Folks will be falling all over
themselves to help.

Well thanks. That is what nieghbors do, help each other.

Tillman

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On 4 Nov 2005 09:56:40 -0800, jim rozen
wrote:

In article .com, tillius
says...

Tillman the ogre, using facts

Is that what you call those. Your personality
is simply amazing. Have a nice time reworking
that lathe. Folks will be falling all over
themselves to help.

Jim

Are you saying you are one of those, that will let internet political
views interfer with ones relationships on metalworking stuff?

I think..I see a classic case of bigotry and bias rapidly speeding
towards the brink.....

Gunner, who helps out even the Libs on metalworking stuff, face to
face or on the net.
"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

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Let the record show that Dave Hinz wrote back on 3
Nov 2005 21:43:39 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking :
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:38:13 GMT, pyotr filipivich wrote:

And FDR did start a war with a country which posed no threat to the US,
ergo, he must have been a Republican.

Which country, specifically, would _that_ be?

Italy, Japan, Germany, pick your favorite.

toodles
pyotr


--
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Most of the intelligentsia haven't studied history, so much
as they've absorbed the Correct Position on "History".

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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 20:50:09 GMT, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Let the record show that Dave Hinz wrote back on 3
Nov 2005 21:43:39 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking :
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:38:13 GMT, pyotr filipivich wrote:

And FDR did start a war with a country which posed no threat to the US,
ergo, he must have been a Republican.

Which country, specifically, would _that_ be?

Italy, Japan, Germany, pick your favorite.

I see. So FDR started a war, did he? Which war would that be, exactly?
We'll deal with the threats once you tell me what war you're thinking
of.

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Let the record show that Dave Hinz wrote back on 4
Nov 2005 20:52:31 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking :
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 20:50:09 GMT, pyotr filipivich wrote:
Let the record show that Dave Hinz wrote back on 3
Nov 2005 21:43:39 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking :
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:38:13 GMT, pyotr filipivich wrote:

And FDR did start a war with a country which posed no threat to the US,
ergo, he must have been a Republican.

Which country, specifically, would _that_ be?

Italy, Japan, Germany, pick your favorite.

I see. So FDR started a war, did he? Which war would that be, exactly?
We'll deal with the threats once you tell me what war you're thinking
of.


Forty Two, except in Pomona, where it is 47.


toodles
pyotr

--
pyotr filipivich.
as an explaination for the decline in the US's tech edge, James
Niccol wrote "It used to be that the USA was pretty good at
producing stuff teenaged boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

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"tillius" wrote in message
ups.com...
hawke's lib-tarded dribble:

Unfortunately for you that's only
going to happen when you have a health crisis like a stroke or
Alzheimer's
or the like that drains you of all your assets that you were counting on
and
leaves you penniless.

I dunno. Seems I plan for emergencies. It's called not spending every
friggin dime you have on fast food, worthless crap and credit card
debt. It's called catastrophic medical insurance. It's called long term
care insurance. It's called building an emergency fund.

It's called, if my neighbor has a problem and he wasn't prepared
enough, I'm stepping up to plate to help him out. In exchange for that
help, I expect my neighbor to prepare better for the future. If he
doesn't, my help next time will be more harm than help, because it
enables him to continue in foolish ways.

hawke, put down the crack pipe and let the fog clear. It's not that
difficult to understand.

So for the sake of your learning we'll just have to
hope that you have a health situation that ruins you.

Awww - such a nice expression of the kind hearted, compassionate,
caring lib-tards.
I, on the other hand, wish you well, good health, for goodness sake,
that your IQ someday climbs above 35 so you might have a chance a
grasping common sense concepts.

Tillman

I said that you would need a harsh health experience for you to learn what
most of us already know because it is plain that you can't learn any other
way. That's a sad commentary on your inability to learn not on my wishing
you ill. And it's true that life is indeed simple for the simple minded.
Such is the case with you Tillman. Things are black and white with no shades
of gray for you. That's one of the signs of an inability to grasp complex
concepts. Which you have already demonstrated. That's because while planning
ahead and helping neighbors when they are in need is a nice sentiment and
sounds very reasonable, that kind of thinking leads to disaster. If it was
that simple who would need insurance, or Social Security, or Medicare, or
any kind of safety net? People could just do as you do and everything would
be fine. Somehow that doesn't sound feasible to me. Remember, only an
inexperienced bonehead thinks he's got all the bases covered. The truth is
only the very rich are truly safe and even in the case of them there are
plenty of examples of them hitting the skids too. In reality ordinary
Americans are not able to plan for an uncertain future or to put away enough
money to guarantee they won't have financial trouble in the future.

Just remember this next time you think you are so well prepared for
anything. I'm sure there were a number of people in the South that thought
exactly the same thing right up until the hurricanes struck. Only 2% of
Americans can live on what they have set aside for themselves during their
working lives. The other 98% of Americans have to have Social Security or
have to keep working until they are very old or have others care for them.
This was told to me by the Real Estate multimillionaire Russ Whitney and I
have had it confirmed by other sources as well. You can go ahead and whistle
past the cemetery as long as you like but the reality is that life has a way
of screwing with the best laid plans of mice and men, and from what you have
written I just can't see you as one of the 2%.

Hawke

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"Marc" wrote in message news:tHL9f.13$N73.8@trnddc04...
tillius wrote:
hawke's lib-tarded dribble:


Unfortunately for you that's only
going to happen when you have a health crisis like a stroke or
Alzheimer's
or the like that drains you of all your assets that you were counting on
and
leaves you penniless.


I dunno. Seems I plan for emergencies. It's called not spending every
friggin dime you have on fast food, worthless crap and credit card
debt. It's called catastrophic medical insurance. It's called long term
care insurance. It's called building an emergency fund.

It's called, if my neighbor has a problem and he wasn't prepared
enough, I'm stepping up to plate to help him out. In exchange for that
help, I expect my neighbor to prepare better for the future. If he
doesn't, my help next time will be more harm than help, because it
enables him to continue in foolish ways.

hawke, put down the crack pipe and let the fog clear. It's not that
difficult to understand.


So for the sake of your learning we'll just have to
hope that you have a health situation that ruins you.


Awww - such a nice expression of the kind hearted, compassionate,
caring lib-tards.
I, on the other hand, wish you well, good health, for goodness sake,
that your IQ someday climbs above 35 so you might have a chance a
grasping common sense concepts.

Tillman

Well said, now the personal attacks will start from the lib-turds, oh
wait tweetie byrd already did that.
Marc


It's sure nice to know that there are never any personal attacks or name
calling from the wingers, NOT!. Please spare us the "those liberals are so
mean and nasty" bullcrap. You right wingers are unsurpassed in your attacks
on everyone that isn't on your side of the isle. Right wingers complaining
about the attacks from the left is the worst example of the pot calling the
kettle black I've ever seen. Nobody beats the right when it comes to
personal attacks, period!

Hawke

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So, what keeps you from starting your own retirement program? One that
you
control. Direct. Monitor. Supervise. Steer.

How about a lack of surplus funds? The average American has over 13,000. of
just credit card debt. Add up everything else they owe on and it's clear
that the majority has no surplus funds for anything, and in fact spends more
than they take in every year. Even if everyone was fiscally responsible they
still wouldn't have the extra money to save for retirement. But with a
million more people going into poverty every year, even in the great Bush
economy, there is just no money to save, let alone live decently. Pretty
simple really.

Hawke

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You do realize that you can not opt to pay in excess payments to social
security. And to that you will only get excess SSBN payments if you
have an wages of over $90,000.


Dan
Cliff wrote:

Example: multiple W2 employers and have more
than the maximum witheld in total.
Sadly, the employers cannot get their excess payments
back but you can get your share of the execss SS witholdings
back.

Try to get as many employer paid bennies as possible that
you would otherwise be paying for. No income tax or SS tax
on such for the most part ... take a lower wage in exchange.
Adds a bit of paperwork cost to the employer though.

Of course, you knew that. Right?
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More a lack of determination and planning. There is lots of money, but
people spend it to live better than they used to do. The average
American has cable or Satellite TV, does not change the oil in their
car, buys bottled water, goes to a car wash, buys things on credit, has
a cell phone, eats out, etc It is pretty easy to be fiscally
responsible, just spend less.

Dan


Hawke wrote:
So, what keeps you from starting your own retirement program? One that
you
control. Direct. Monitor. Supervise. Steer.

How about a lack of surplus funds? The average American has over 13,000. of
just credit card debt. Add up everything else they owe on and it's clear
that the majority has no surplus funds for anything, and in fact spends more
than they take in every year. Even if everyone was fiscally responsible they
still wouldn't have the extra money to save for retirement. But with a
million more people going into poverty every year, even in the great Bush
economy, there is just no money to save, let alone live decently. Pretty
simple really.

Hawke

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On 4 Nov 2005 23:12:12 -0800, "
wrote:

just spend less.

That's a sure way to crash the economy.
Walmart NEEDS you !!!
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On 4 Nov 2005 22:54:07 -0800, "
wrote:

You do realize that you can not opt to pay in excess payments to social
security.

Not really in most cases.

And to that you will only get excess SSBN payments if you
have an wages of over $90,000.

What do you think I used as an example??

Dan
Cliff wrote:

Example: multiple W2 employers and have more
than the maximum witheld in total.
Sadly, the employers cannot get their excess payments
back but you can get your share of the execss SS witholdings
back.

Try to get as many employer paid bennies as possible that
you would otherwise be paying for. No income tax or SS tax
on such for the most part ... take a lower wage in exchange.
Adds a bit of paperwork cost to the employer though.

Of course, you knew that. Right?

Clearly not ......

And another top-poster to boot.
--
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Hawke said:

I said that you would need a harsh health experience for you to learn what
most of us already know

after he said

we'll just have to hope that you have a health situation that ruins you.

hmmm... must be a Kerry clone - flip-flop - flip-flop - flip-flop

More from the lib-tard Hawke:

That's because while planning ahead and helping neighbors
when they are in need is a nice sentiment and sounds very
reasonable, that kind of thinking leads to disaster.

Wow, so planning ahead and helping neighbors leads to disaster! And GW
caused the hurricanes and blew up the levies.

Yeah, the lib-tards have a real grasp of the truth.

Only 2% of Americans can live on what they have set
aside for themselves during their working lives. The other
98% of Americans have to have Social Security or
have to keep working until they are very old or have others care for them.

Actually, it's more like 15%. I have a reference to economic data (from
both the Clinton dark ages and from the current administration) that
supports that figure. I'll did it up and post it later.
It's too bad more Americans don't plan better and take more personal
responsibility, or that number would be MUCH higher.

from what you have written I just can't see you as one of the 2%.

Yeah! Saving, planning, and not blowing everything I earn should make
me dependent on SS. Very clear thinking, for a lib-tard.

Tillman

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How about a lack of surplus funds? The average American has over 13,000. of
just credit card debt.

Yeah, that's one of the problems. Most Americans DON'T PLAN because the
are too busy getting what they want NOW cause 'I GOT CREDIT, I DON'T
HAVE TO WAIT".

Tillman

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Well Said!

Tillman

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In article .com,
says...

More a lack of determination and planning. There is lots of money, but
people spend it to live better than they used to do. The average
American has cable or Satellite TV, does not change the oil in their
car, buys bottled water, goes to a car wash, buys things on credit, has
a cell phone, eats out, etc It is pretty easy to be fiscally
responsible, just spend less.

Although oddly cell phone service is cheaper than
landline often. I know of several folks who gave
up their landline in favor of cell, in spite of the
problems, to save money.

Jim


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In article .com, tillius
says...

No, they're BENEFITS for SERVICES RENDERED,

Nope. Welfare. That's why the present adminstration
is cutting them right now. They're closing the local
VA hospital in our town. Neocons can't stand to have
rich folks money given to poor folks.

It's right in front of you. Can't you see it?

Yep, republicans are closing the Montrose VA hospital
because "it's more cost-effective" to ship those poor
folks upstate. Your republican adminstration in action.

They talk a good line. But when the coffins come home
they don't want any pictures. When the folks who
fought for the US get old and start to cost money,
they start hemming and hawing about 'cost effectiveness.'

My ass.

Jim


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It would not crash the economy, just rearrange it. It isn't Walmart
that would suffer, it would be the credit card companies, Starbucks,
MacDonalds, Phillip Morris, Pepsi and Coke, the bottled water companies
,the cell phone stores. Walmart does not sell a lot of sizzle stuff.
No trendy clothes, etc.


Dan

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In article , Gunner says...

Are you saying you are one of those, that will let internet political
views interfer with ones relationships on metalworking stuff?

No. His usenet personality.

Jim


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Are you saying you are one of those, that will let internet political
views interfer with ones relationships on metalworking stuff?


No. His usenet personality.

No. You just can't handle someone who uses facts, provides sites, and
shakes the illusions the socialist, er democratic party uses to try and
regain power and enslave the middle and lower class through entitlement
dependancy.

The liberals always do that. When they can't dispute the logic and
facts, it becomes a personal attack.

No problem tho - When the lib-tards go on a personal attack, it's a
sure sign the conservative they're attacking hitting a nerve or two
that they just can't handle.

Jim, been nice sparring with you, and I'm sure you're a really nice
guy, your niave political views aside. I wish nothing but good fortune
upon you and your family, as well as a long and healthy life.

Good Day.

Tillman

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On 5 Nov 2005 05:42:41 -0800, "tillius"
wrote:

How about a lack of surplus funds? The average American has over 13,000. of
just credit card debt.

Yeah, that's one of the problems. Most Americans DON'T PLAN because the
are too busy getting what they want NOW cause 'I GOT CREDIT, I DON'T
HAVE TO WAIT".

Tillman

Credit card?? Whats a credit card? Not something I own.

I used to get those funny looking plastic thingys in the mail..and
since I couldnt eat them, or **** them, or shoot them, I cut them up
with scissors and tossed em in the trash can. After a while..they
stopped sending them to me.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

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On 5 Nov 2005 07:08:09 -0800, jim rozen
wrote:

In article .com,
says...

More a lack of determination and planning. There is lots of money, but
people spend it to live better than they used to do. The average
American has cable or Satellite TV, does not change the oil in their
car, buys bottled water, goes to a car wash, buys things on credit, has
a cell phone, eats out, etc It is pretty easy to be fiscally
responsible, just spend less.

Although oddly cell phone service is cheaper than
landline often. I know of several folks who gave
up their landline in favor of cell, in spite of the
problems, to save money.

Jim

This is becoming VERY common across the US. And the land line
companies are feeliing the pinch. Hence in many cases, they are
dropping long distance call rates to nearly nothing, or offering long
distance packages for $25 a month, anytime, any place in CONUS/CAN

Frankly..the only reasion I have landline, is that the monthy rate is
still cheaper than getting highspeed cable modem from the local Time
Warner, as DSL is not offered here. My landline only gets used for
dialup net access.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

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On 5 Nov 2005 07:26:24 -0800, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Gunner says...

Are you saying you are one of those, that will let internet political
views interfer with ones relationships on metalworking stuff?

No. His usenet personality.

Jim

Odd..Ive had a number of people come by the homestead,or met
elsewhere, who Ive had net debates/flamewars/etc with, and we have
gotten along famously. And still helped out on the newsgroup(s)

In fact..one of the worst foils Ive had huge arguments with, got
shipped a box of tooling a year or so ago, because he needed it for
metalworking.

Shrug..this place is like Vegas..what happens here, stays here.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner

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In article , Gunner Asch says...

No. His usenet personality.

Odd..Ive had a number of people come by the homestead,or met
elsewhere, who Ive had net debates/flamewars/etc with, and we have
gotten along famously. And still helped out on the newsgroup(s)

Right. But you're not everybody. And frankly I've seen this
effect many times over the years. Somebody shows up here all
full of ****-n-vinegar and start insulting folks right and left
because, hey, it's usenet and you can do that, right?

But look at the regulars here. How often do you see them
dishing out personal insults to each others, or to newcomers?

You probably have a short list of folks whos posts you always
open, and that list is probably cross-correlated by topic, right?

Ie if it's computer related, and it's DoN's, it's worth it to
look at. Or if it's precision grinding or metal refining, Harold's
posts are a must-read for me. Metalurgy or economics and
manufacturing, Ed Huntress.

You are on the slate for firearms, along with a few others.

By the same token there are some folks that just aren't worth
the effort. So I don't bother with them. Cliff's crossposting's
been an annoyance to me for years. So I just stay away from those.

It's really my own fault. I should have known the minute he
was calling folks 'retards' that nothing good could come of it.
I don't killfile folks. But I do elect to never reply to any
post of theirs. Like I said, my own damn fault.

Jim


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In article , Gunner Asch says...

Frankly..the only reasion I have landline, is that the monthy rate is
still cheaper than getting highspeed cable modem from the local Time
Warner, as DSL is not offered here. My landline only gets used for
dialup net access.

There are still a few things that a copper pair landline can do
that cell phones and VOIP can't.

First off the twisted pair copper has a lot of reliability
and redundcy built in. This was apparent when 9/11 happened
and all the cell phones jammed up. Or when that big power
failure happened three years ago, and cell service died
when the backup generators at the sites ran out of fuel.

The landlines lasted a *lot* longer.

My dad had VIOP installed via optimum-online. I think the
quality is poor and the switching seems to be kind of wonky.
Was a good deal cheaper, but he had to re-install the copper
pair because my mom now has a panic button to wear after
the events of this past summer, and the VIOP won't support
that.

I never was a fan of cell phones but again after this past
summer I can admit they have their place.

Jim


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Credit card?? Whats a credit card? Not something I own.

I used to get those funny looking plastic thingys in the mail..and
since I couldnt eat them, or **** them, or shoot them, I cut them up
with scissors and tossed em in the trash can. After a while..they
stopped sending them to me.

Gunner

Yeah Brother!

For those less informed about fiscal responsibility who are swimming in
debt and see the only way out as some entitlement program, there are
hundreds of people every day who kick the debt habit, and I don't just
mean those with 100K incomes. I'm talking families with 30K incomes
getting rid of 50K plus debt in a few years. It's amazing how getting
rid of debt changes your life.

When you're no longer a slave to your (creditors) money, you're free,
and I'll be damned if some lib-tard entitlement program is going to
slap a yoke on me.

Tillman

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Jim,

Ok. I'm sorry if my term lib-tard offended you. It really was just a
knee-jerk reaction to folks like Cliff using terms like repug, neocon
and shrubbie, and perhaps it was a bit over-the-edge. It wasn't meant
to be personally insulting to you or anyone else.

I actually think you have a lot of good points, I just strongly
disagree with your political ideology and just think you're plain wrong
on a lot of social/political/economic points.

As far as metalworking, I'm lurking quite a bit. I have nothing useful
to offer because I am a complete newbie. When my dad was alive, I
didn't really have an interest, although he was truely a phenomenal
tool and die man.

Now I do know quite a bit about woodworking, but that's a different
alligator altogether. I have also just shifted into technical writing
after 20 years of network engineering and graphics application design.

My primary purpose for being in this newsgroup is to learn from those
of you who do have metalworking experience and knowledge, not to attack
you personally, so again, I appologize for that.

Regards

Tillman

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In article .com, tillius
says...

As far as metalworking, I'm lurking quite a bit. I have nothing useful
to offer because I am a complete newbie. When my dad was alive, I
didn't really have an interest, although he was truely a phenomenal
tool and die man.
....
My primary purpose for being in this newsgroup is to learn from those
of you who do have metalworking experience and knowledge, not to attack
you personally, so again, I appologize for that.

Yer dad taught you well. OK, we'll agree to disagree on
politics and religion. As I said it was partly my fault for
engaging. For now I'll stay disengaged in a neutral corner.

Jim


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Thanks

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On 5 Nov 2005 05:37:47 -0800, "tillius"
wrote:

More from the lib-tard Hawke:

And all of this from a brain-dead winger.
How very droll.
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On 5 Nov 2005 05:37:47 -0800, "tillius"
wrote:

And GW
caused the hurricanes and blew up the levies.

GW?
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On 5 Nov 2005 05:37:47 -0800, "tillius"
wrote:

I'll did it up and post it later.

One commends wingers on their educated use of
the English language.
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Cliff