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The End of Pensions -- But Keep Voting for Republicans as You Spend Your Golden Years in a Cardboard Box on the Street
On 2 Nov 2005 05:44:19 -0800, "tillius"
wrote: I got carried away. Nets & white coats again? -- Cliff |
The End of Pensions -- But Keep Voting for Republicans as You Spend Your Golden Years in a Cardboard Box on the Street
"SteveB" wrote in message news:ofZ9f.47501$fE5.43772@fed1read06... If you made so much money, why are you complaining about the small amount you would have paid into SS in only 16 years of work? Please explain that math. If you paid THAT much in, you didn't have a competent tax advisor, bookeeper, or financial advisor who could have netted you a lot more. But then, you probably were so smart you did all that yourself, and didn't trust anyone anyway. Right? Please explain to me how you're tax adviser saves you money on SS tax. The rest of the world wants to know. |
The End of Pensions -- But Keep Voting for Republicans as You Spend Your Golden Years in a Cardboard Box on the Street
On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:44:57 -0800, "SteveB"
wrote: "Tim May" wrote Idiot. I invested my own money beginning in 1970 and retired in 1986, when I was 34. (But I was also forced to pay into a SS plan that I had no desire whatsoever to pay into.) If you made so much money, why are you complaining about the small amount you would have paid into SS in only 16 years of work? I would guess - for the same reason you would object to being forced to pay money, even a little bit of money, for something you don't want. Please explain that math. It isn't math, it's theft. (rest snipped) -- Robert Sturgeon Summum ius summa inuria. http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/ |
The End of Pensions -- But Keep Voting for Republicans as You Spend Your Golden Years in a Cardboard Box on the Street
"Dave Lyon" wrote in message news:EB4af.534057$xm3.4887@attbi_s21... "SteveB" wrote in message news:ofZ9f.47501$fE5.43772@fed1read06... If you made so much money, why are you complaining about the small amount you would have paid into SS in only 16 years of work? Please explain that math. If you paid THAT much in, you didn't have a competent tax advisor, bookeeper, or financial advisor who could have netted you a lot more. But then, you probably were so smart you did all that yourself, and didn't trust anyone anyway. Right? Please explain to me how you're tax adviser saves you money on SS tax. The rest of the world wants to know. I am going to type slow, so try to keep up. The amount any person is taxed is based on income. There are hundreds of creative ways to lessen the income you show on paper. Things you normally would pay for are bought by your corporation, LLC, or trust, and therefore your taxable income is reduced. Of course, you knew that. Right? See your own tax adviser for ways you can do it. Steve |
The End of Pensions -- But Keep Voting for Republicans as You Spend Your Golden Years in a Cardboard Box on the Street
If you made so much money, why are you complaining about the small amount
you would have paid into SS in only 16 years of work? I would guess - for the same reason you would object to being forced to pay money, even a little bit of money, for something you don't want. Yeah - maybe we should have an 2nd amendment tax, so that everyone is taxed equally and the funds are used to provide free guns to every American who doesn't have one, because it's their second amendment RIGHT to bear arms. Bet the lib-tards would just LOVE that bit of redistribution of wealth and power. Tillman |
The End of Pensions -- But Keep Voting for Republicans as You Spend Your Golden Years in a Cardboard Box on the Street
I am going to type slow, so try to keep up. The amount any person is taxed
is based on income. There are hundreds of creative ways to lessen the income you show on paper. Things you normally would pay for are bought by your corporation, LLC, or trust, and therefore your taxable income is reduced. Actually, FICA is collected on your GROSS EARNED INCOME. The only way to reduce that is to earn less, or find a creative way to move your earnings into instruments that pay you as a dividend or interest income instead of as earned income. Most of the methods that accomplish that result in other taxes which are more burdonsom than FICA, and the ones that don't are 'gray areas' of the IRS code, highly subject to disallowment in the likely event of an audit (if you are being 'creative' with your taxes). Of course, you knew that. Right? See your own tax advisors for ways you can go to jail. Tillman |
The End of Pensions -- But Keep Voting for Republicans as You Spend Your Golden Years in a Cardboard Box on the Street
"tillius" wrote in message oups.com... I am going to type slow, so try to keep up. The amount any person is taxed is based on income. There are hundreds of creative ways to lessen the income you show on paper. Things you normally would pay for are bought by your corporation, LLC, or trust, and therefore your taxable income is reduced. Actually, FICA is collected on your GROSS EARNED INCOME. The only way to reduce that is to earn less, or find a creative way to move your earnings into instruments that pay you as a dividend or interest income instead of as earned income. Most of the methods that accomplish that result in other taxes which are more burdonsom than FICA, and the ones that don't are 'gray areas' of the IRS code, highly subject to disallowment in the likely event of an audit (if you are being 'creative' with your taxes). Of course, you knew that. Right? See your own tax advisors for ways you can go to jail. Tillman Hold your phone calls, folks. We have a winner! However, most people find the term "interest income" to be an unfathomable inconceivable concept. Steve |
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In article ,
(The Watcher) wrote: On 1 Nov 2005 17:40:36 -0800, "Dave" wrote: Cliff wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/ma...i=5090&en=c2ff 69df888a2169&ex=1288324800&partner=rssuserland&em c=rss&pagewanted=all Hey, why don't we just pass a law that everyone will be rich and happy? Addressing the subject line, if that were true, then that would mean that little Cliffie has failed yet again. All he's managed to do is make himself look stupid. ;) there is already a federal institution to ensure most people are kept poor frb is raising interest rates again to increase unemployment arf meow arf - dogs and cats living together if you meet buddha on the usenet killfile him |
The End of Pensions -- But Keep Voting for Republicans as You Spend Your Golden Years in a Cardboard Box on the Street
I am going to type slow, so try to keep up. The amount any person is taxed is based on income. There are hundreds of creative ways to lessen the income you show on paper. Creative? is that another word for illegal? You were aware that cheating on taxes is illegal. Right? Things you normally would pay for are bought by your corporation, LLC, or trust, and therefore your taxable income is reduced. That's great, if you're talking about INCOME tax. We were talking about SS tax. It's pulled out of your paycheck, and you don't get a refund regardless of you tax deductions. Of course, you knew that. Right? BTW, I'm a "C" corp. My personal wages are taxed at a lower rate than company income. |
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On 1 Nov 2005 17:40:36 -0800, "Dave" wrote:
Cliff wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/ma...pagewanted=all Hey, why don't we just pass a law that everyone will be rich and happy? Addressing the subject line, if that were true, then that would mean that little Cliffie has failed yet again. All he's managed to do is make himself look stupid. ;) |
The End of Pensions -- But Keep Voting for Republicans as You Spend Your Golden Years in a Cardboard Box on the Street
That's great, if you're talking about INCOME tax. We were talking about SS
tax. It's pulled out of your paycheck, and you don't get a refund regardless of you tax deductions. Of course, you knew that. Right? SS tax is only pulled out of your paycheck if you're an employee. If you're self employed, you pay self employment tax on your earned income after expenses. And, if you structure legal entities the right way, it's possible to take a small but reasonable wage (which is subject to SS tax) while reaping the profits of your activities (or the legal entities activities) in the form of interest or divident income (not subject to SS tax). This is legal if done properly and you don't CHEAT. Tillman |
The End of Pensions -- But Keep Voting for Republicans as You Spend Your Golden Years in a Cardboard Box on the Street
On 2 Nov 2005 08:11:24 -0800, "tillius"
wrote: I am going to type slow, so try to keep up. The amount any person is taxed is based on income. There are hundreds of creative ways to lessen the income you show on paper. Things you normally would pay for are bought by your corporation, LLC, or trust, and therefore your taxable income is reduced. Actually, FICA is collected on your GROSS EARNED INCOME. The only way to reduce that is to earn less, or find a creative way to move your earnings into instruments that pay you as a dividend or interest income instead of as earned income. Most of the methods that accomplish that result in other taxes which are more burdonsom than FICA, and the ones that don't are 'gray areas' of the IRS code, highly subject to disallowment in the likely event of an audit (if you are being 'creative' with your taxes). Of course, you knew that. Right? See your own tax advisors for ways you can go to jail. Tillman I just love uninformed wingers ... they are just so funny ... Academic Information Service, Inc. "The 2005 Tax and Financial Guide for Engineers & Architects" just as one example ... or actually get all the possible tax forms & instructions and (shock !!) actually read them each year. Better yet by far: both. It's too late for 2005 but ... PLAN AHEAD !! -- Cliff |
The End of Pensions -- But Keep Voting for Republicans as You Spend Your Golden Years in a Cardboard Box on the Street
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:13:30 GMT, "Dave Lyon"
wrote: That's great, if you're talking about INCOME tax. We were talking about SS tax. It's pulled out of your paycheck, and you don't get a refund regardless of you tax deductions. You indeed can. Example: multiple W2 employers and have more than the maximum witheld in total. Sadly, the employers cannot get their excess payments back but you can get your share of the execss SS witholdings back. Try to get as many employer paid bennies as possible that you would otherwise be paying for. No income tax or SS tax on such for the most part ... take a lower wage in exchange. Adds a bit of paperwork cost to the employer though. Of course, you knew that. Right? -- Cliff |
The End of Pensions -- But Keep Voting for Republicans as You Spend Your Golden Years in a Cardboard Box on the Street
"Dave Lyon" wrote in message news:_Z9af.294681$084.11953@attbi_s22... I am going to type slow, so try to keep up. The amount any person is taxed is based on income. There are hundreds of creative ways to lessen the income you show on paper. Creative? is that another word for illegal? You were aware that cheating on taxes is illegal. Right? Cheating on taxes is illegal. Only morons and sheep who follow tax evaders believe otherwise. But, working within the laws is totally legal. Right? Things you normally would pay for are bought by your corporation, LLC, or trust, and therefore your taxable income is reduced. That's great, if you're talking about INCOME tax. We were talking about SS tax. It's pulled out of your paycheck, and you don't get a refund regardless of you tax deductions. Of course, you knew that. Right? What if you don't get a "paycheck"? And SS is based on gross INCOME. There are lots of ways to adjust net income. BTW, I'm a "C" corp. My personal wages are taxed at a lower rate than company income. Great! You are learning "creative" ways to lessen your tax burden. Or is that illegal? Now, I'm confused. You decry "illegal" activity, but then tout that you legally creatively lessened your own tax liability. STeve ;-) |
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"tillius" wrote in message ups.com... That's great, if you're talking about INCOME tax. We were talking about SS tax. It's pulled out of your paycheck, and you don't get a refund regardless of you tax deductions. Of course, you knew that. Right? SS tax is only pulled out of your paycheck if you're an employee. If you're self employed, you pay self employment tax on your earned income after expenses. And, if you structure legal entities the right way, it's possible to take a small but reasonable wage (which is subject to SS tax) while reaping the profits of your activities (or the legal entities activities) in the form of interest or divident income (not subject to SS tax). This is legal if done properly and you don't CHEAT. Tillman Holy ****, Batman! I believe I have finally actually found an intelligent person on usenet! Kudos, Tillman! Steve |
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"Antipodean Bucket Farmer" wrote Perhaps you should join the Church Of Scientology. Then can become legitimately impoverished by giving them all your money. They won't have pay taxes on it, since they are an officially registered religion. And you can work for them, paid only in room, board, and "Auditing Sessions," thus having zero taxable income for the IRS to target. Doesn't that sound like fun? I hear they already have several blogs on payroll doing nothing but being a royal PITA to Usenet newsgroups. I won't mention any names to protect the innocent, but .............. Steve |
The End of Pensions -- But Keep Voting for Republicans as YouSpend Your Golden Years in a Cardboard Box on the Street
Little cliffie please get a life Cliff wrote: On 2 Nov 2005 08:11:24 -0800, "tillius" wrote: I am going to type slow, so try to keep up. The amount any person is taxed is based on income. There are hundreds of creative ways to lessen the income you show on paper. Things you normally would pay for are bought by your corporation, LLC, or trust, and therefore your taxable income is reduced. Actually, FICA is collected on your GROSS EARNED INCOME. The only way to reduce that is to earn less, or find a creative way to move your earnings into instruments that pay you as a dividend or interest income instead of as earned income. Most of the methods that accomplish that result in other taxes which are more burdonsom than FICA, and the ones that don't are 'gray areas' of the IRS code, highly subject to disallowment in the likely event of an audit (if you are being 'creative' with your taxes). Of course, you knew that. Right? See your own tax advisors for ways you can go to jail. Tillman I just love uninformed wingers ... they are just so funny ... Academic Information Service, Inc. "The 2005 Tax and Financial Guide for Engineers & Architects" just as one example ... or actually get all the possible tax forms & instructions and (shock !!) actually read them each year. Better yet by far: both. It's too late for 2005 but ... PLAN AHEAD !! |
The End of Pensions -- But Keep Voting for Republicans as YouSpend Your Golden Years in a Cardboard Box on the Street
little cliffie get a life
brain dead lib-turd Cliff wrote: On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:13:30 GMT, "Dave Lyon" wrote: That's great, if you're talking about INCOME tax. We were talking about SS tax. It's pulled out of your paycheck, and you don't get a refund regardless of you tax deductions. You indeed can. Example: multiple W2 employers and have more than the maximum witheld in total. Sadly, the employers cannot get their excess payments back but you can get your share of the execss SS witholdings back. Try to get as many employer paid bennies as possible that you would otherwise be paying for. No income tax or SS tax on such for the most part ... take a lower wage in exchange. Adds a bit of paperwork cost to the employer though. Of course, you knew that. Right? |
The End of Pensions -- But Keep Voting for Republicans as You Spend Your Golden Years in a Cardboard Box on the Street
On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 01:19:44 GMT, Marc wrote:
little cliffie get a life brain dead lib-turd Cliff wrote: On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:13:30 GMT, "Dave Lyon" wrote: That's great, if you're talking about INCOME tax. We were talking about SS tax. It's pulled out of your paycheck, and you don't get a refund regardless of you tax deductions. You indeed can. Example: multiple W2 employers and have more than the maximum witheld in total. Sadly, the employers cannot get their excess payments back but you can get your share of the execss SS witholdings back. Try to get as many employer paid bennies as possible that you would otherwise be paying for. No income tax or SS tax on such for the most part ... take a lower wage in exchange. Adds a bit of paperwork cost to the employer though. Of course, you knew that. Right? Top-posting morons are where you find them G. Found those"WMDs" yet? -- Cliff |
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 17:06:09 -0800, "SteveB"
wrote: BTW, I'm a "C" corp. My personal wages are taxed at a lower rate than company income. Great! You are learning "creative" ways to lessen your tax burden. Or is that illegal? Now, I'm confused. You decry "illegal" activity, but then tout that you legally creatively lessened your own tax liability. Sounds like we have a winger there VBG. -- Cliff |
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On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 01:18:42 GMT, Marc wrote:
Little cliffie please get a life You making *another* hobby out of that map "puzzle"? LOL ... -- Cliff |
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In article ,
Antipodean Bucket Farmer wrote: Perhaps you should join the Church Of Scientology. Then can become legitimately impoverished by giving them all your money. They won't have pay taxes on it, since they are an officially registered religion. And you can work for them, paid only in room, board, and "Auditing Sessions," thus having zero taxable income for the IRS to target. Doesn't that sound like fun? Not nearly as much fun as running 50,000 volts into every e-meter, every auditing session. |
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In article , Gunner Asch says...
A new book by a top investigative journalist exposes the blatant hypocrisy of liberals who loudly espouse principles they disregard in their own personal lives. Hmm. The republicans don't need top investigative journalists. They have prosecutors that do that job!! Hey Mr. Delay, how's the indictment going? Hey Mr. Scooter, how's yours? Hey Mr. Rove, starting to sweat yet? Hey Mr. Abramov, doing any interesting testimony today? :^) Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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In article .com, tilly
the troll says: That's the real problem. We let the lib-tard following mind-numb robot clones vote when we should really give them all non-pointy scisssors, construction paper and not-toxic (edible) paste and let them sit in the park and make paper flowers while we employ some of the marginally mainstreamable lib-tards to walk around with druel rags so the construction paper doesn't get all soggy. Fascinating. Is this what reasoned opinion looks like on your planet? Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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lib-tard Jim rozen-commie said:
Fascinating. Is this what reasoned opinion looks like on your planet? Wow, you pinko lib-tards really will believe anything but the truth. Tillman |
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"jim rozen" wrote in message ... In article , Gunner Asch says... A new book by a top investigative journalist exposes the blatant hypocrisy of liberals who loudly espouse principles they disregard in their own personal lives. Hmm. The republicans don't need top investigative journalists. They have prosecutors that do that job!! Hey Mr. Delay, how's the indictment going? Hey Mr. Scooter, how's yours? Hey Mr. Rove, starting to sweat yet? Hey Mr. Abramov, doing any interesting testimony today? :^) Jim Jim You left out this knothead! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051103/..._co/fema_brown Steve |
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In article . com, tillius
says... SS tax is only pulled out of your paycheck if you're an employee. If you're self employed, you pay self employment tax on your earned income after expenses. At TWICE the rate of those employed by others. That is, I pay something like 7 percent. My employer pays another 7. If I were self employed, the SS rate would 14 percent for me. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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In article . com, cranius
minimus says... Wow, you pinko lib-tards really will believe anything but the truth. Tell ya what, I can tell a troll when I see one. Do you *ever* make any sense, anywhere? Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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Let the record show that Gunner Asch wrote back on
Tue, 01 Nov 2005 10:01:10 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking : You get NOTHING. Too bad. This is how republicans operate. Get over it. Jim FDR was a Republican????????? To a modern liberal, anyone who was President before LBJ was a Republican. And FDR did start a war with a country which posed no threat to the US, ergo, he must have been a Republican. -- pyotr filipivich Most of the intelligentsia haven't studied history, so much as they've absorbed the Correct Position on "History". |
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On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:38:13 GMT, pyotr filipivich wrote:
And FDR did start a war with a country which posed no threat to the US, ergo, he must have been a Republican. Which country, specifically, would _that_ be? |
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In article , pyotr filipivich
says... To a modern liberal, anyone who was President before LBJ was a Republican. To a modern neocon, LBJ was a flaming liberal. :^) Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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In article . com, tillius
says... I take exception with lumping VA benefits in with welfare. But that's what they a an entitlement program, just like AFDC, Medicare, Social Security, and so on. Basically they're all systems that take money from folks with money, and give it to folks who don't have money. Like most entitlement programs today, the republicans are busy chiseling away at veteran's benefits. They think they're welfare, too. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:59:21 GMT, (The Watcher)
wrote: On 1 Nov 2005 17:40:36 -0800, "Dave" wrote: Cliff wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/ma...pagewanted=all Hey, why don't we just pass a law that everyone will be rich and happy? Addressing the subject line, if that were true, then that would mean that little Cliffie has failed yet again. All he's managed to do is make himself look stupid. ;) One just loves not-too-bright whining & cringing wingers that cannot follow quote levels or posters ..... G G -- Cliff |
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In article , Cliff says...
But the downside of giving more to junior employees is that senior employees get less. When I.B.M. converted, it reduced the rate at which some employees of long standing would accrue benefits, touching off a firestorm. The company was sued, I.B.M. lost and the legal status of similar plans remains in doubt. The pension industry has been lobbying Congress to clarify the status of existing cash-balance plans, but neither the administration nor anyone on Capitol Hill has done so. Interestingly this was really a failure of leadership. The CEO at that time was Lou (nabisco) Gerstner. He was pretty hard headed and he was willing to do anything to boost the stock prices, and to fund executive pensions (and other benefits) more lavishly. The extra money freed up from the changeover was slated for that. What he *could* have done was to simply declare that all new employees hired after X date would receive a cash balance pension. And offer existing workers the choice to switch over. What he did though, was to force nearly *all* employees over into cash balance. There were a few who were within a half year of retirement who were 'grandfathered' in. But everyone else saw their pension benefits shrink down to about 1/3 of what they had been. If Gerstner had been willing to take the moral high road and institute the change 'from now on' there never would have been a class action lawsuit, senators from vermont never would have gotten involved, and things would have been a good deal smoother. It's instructive to look at the PR that accompanied the changes, as they occurred. The first discussion in the trade literature said that the company would save "about two hundred million" mostly as a result of "reduced accounting costs" by changing to cash balance. The final result is an article from the Times saying that the judge awarded $6.5 billion dollars, the largest pension judgment in history, for that class action lawsuit. Apparently Gerstner was furious that he could not make the global changeover stick, and that the US government sat up and took notice of the shenanigans. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== |
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I take exception with lumping VA benefits in with welfare. But that's what they a an entitlement program, just like AFDC, Medicare, Social Security, and so on. No, they're BENEFITS for SERVICES RENDERED, completely different from I'LL SIT ON MY ASS AND TAKE THE REAL WORKING MANS CASH SO I DON'T HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBLITY FOR MYSELF, which is also completely different from LET ME HELP MY BROTHER WHO IS DOWN GET BACK UP. The 1st one is Benefits, the third one is a compassionate safety net. The middle one is socialistic redistribution of wealth engineered to enslave the impoverished and the middle class while increasing the liberal elitists tyrrants power base. Tillman |
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You are correct, except it's closer to 7.5% and 15%.
Of course if you were self employed, you should consider the increased tax burden upon yourself and charge appropriate rates. Since I'm self employed, the company that uses me as a consultant saves on benefits and taxes, so I charge appropriately. Then I get to take my mileage, home office expenses, allowable benefits, etc, off of my gross income and only have to pay the Self Employment tax on what's left. Works out better for me. YMMV. Tillman |
The End of Pensions -- But Keep Voting for Republicans as You Spend Your Golden Years in a Cardboard Box on the Street
I like that sig line that debating with liberals is like clubbing baby
seals. It's just too easy, and quickly becomes boring. Or something like that. But it IS descriptive of debating with liberals. And when they can't cite any facts to back up their position, they say some ootsey cutesy one liner or attack personally. Sorry Steve, but I have to take issue with some of the notions your "rant" contains. Number one is the silly idea that "liberals" don't have facts to back up their positions. That's bullcrap. Take Barak Obama for example, he's a liberal and when he makes a point he backs it up with facts. Besides that, I can cite you chapter and verse of unethical, two-faced Republicans doing just what you accuse liberals of. Plus, you can add to that your Republican leaders have the art of lying mastered which makes "debating" with them rather problematic too. I just don't understand it. Everyone can pick their own political party. The Democrats are so envious of the Republicans, yet they fail to grasp the concept that they can actually BE a Republican. Just go out and get a job. Risk all you own to start a business. Learn to play golf. Give up the whining that when Republicans handle the budget, it is theft; but when the Democrats overtax and give it to people who don't want to work, it's called humanitarianism. Hell, rich Republicans contribute 85% or more of all monies collected by the IRS anyway. AND, Democrats are eligible for all the tax breaks that Republicans use, it is just that they won't take the time to learn them. Or that they are jealous that saving 5% on taxes brings a person with a million dollar a year income more than they will get with the same deduction. So get off your duff and make a million and have all that extra money. It's simple. So then, you got off your duff and made a million for yourself, right, and so you don't need anything from the government I take it. If not, your advice isn't very good. And it may be simple to you but apparently you aren't very well acquaited with the facts. Democrats are some of the richest people in this country so Republicans don't have financial success cornered. A large portion of Americans are registered as Democrats. And most of them are working, probably just as hard as you ever did. The problem is that you suffer from severe gullibility. You really bought into a lot of nonsense you heard other Republicans saying. Things like, blacks are the majority of welfare recipients. Not true, most people on welfare are white, and female. Working people are heavily taxed just to give the money to lazy bums who refuse to work. That's completely false too. The U.S. gives a big proportion of its wealth away in foreign aid. Fact, the U.S. gives only a fraction of 1% in foreign aid. All it takes is hard work to suceed in America. Almost everyone knows that is bull****. You say to risk everything to go into business. Do you know that 90% of all businesses go bankrupt within three years. That's pretty bad odds if you ask me. Oh yeah, the idea that Democrats are jealous of Republicans is preposterous too. Most Democrats I know wouldn't dream of being or acting like a Repbulican. They have too much integrity for that. It's only the old 80/20 rule of society that goes back to when they used rocks for money. At any time, 20% of the people have 80% of the money. If you confiscate all money, and redistribute it evenly, in a very short time, 20% of the people will have 80% of the money. That may be true. But the twenty percent that get the money the second time around won't be the ones who had it in the first place. Unless of course you think people like Paris Hilton would wind up with a lot of money if they had to start with nothing. I don't. Or how about George Bush? Do you think he'd wind up rich if he had nothing to start with? You already know the answer to that one. Did you also know that half of the wealthy in the U.S. got their money through inheritance? Prostitution is not the oldest profession, as some people claim. Sales is. And what is sales, but some energetic ambitious Republican getting money out of some couch potato Democrat? How can that be? According to you 85% of the taxes paid come from Republicans so that doesn't leave hardly anything left for Democrats to have to spend. So, if you're right the way to make money in sales it's by selling to Republicans, not Democrats. You sure are laboring under a lot of misconceptions. IT'S NOT FAIR! IT'S NOT FAIR! Well, no ****, Sherlock. So cope. You're an adult. Get out there and get some for yourself. Griping about things in America is like going to a free buffet, sitting there and not getting any food, waiting to be served, and then leaving and complaining about how bad it was. I just love this myth. Wealth and riches are all there just waiting for you to take them. Kind of makes you wonder why everyone hasn't gone ahead and taken advantage of the opportunity to be wealthy. And you never hear of Republicans complaining that life isn't fair, right? Show me an example of a Republican getting the shaft and taking it without bellyaching. It doesn't happen. Any time a Republican thinks something isn't fair you know what the first thing he does is? He gets an attorney and sues. Besides it's always the Republican who is in a position to cheat or be unfair to someone. That's why they don't go around saying it's not fair, it's not fair, that's because it's them who are doing the bad deeds in the first place. Just so you know it's the victim who says something isn't fair not the perpetrator. The other thing is that the minute a Republican has a reversal of fortune they make a beeline to the head of the line for every government service they can get. Do you know of any Republicans who refuse to take unemployment insurance when they lose their jobs? And if Republicans had their way there wouldn't even be unemployment insurance. They always have opposed that. Everyone has the right to be happy successful and secure. And the means are located at the end of their own two arms. Not in any government who sells them the idea that they will take care of them by taking money from the evil rich people and giving it to the downtrodden. So I guess to you the government has taken the money from the rich and given it to the "downtrodden". Trouble is, if that were the case the downtrodden wouldn't be poor anymore. Since Bush took over a million people every year have been added to the category of poor. So how's that happening? Especially in such a great economy. Why don't you actually learn something about the U.S. budget instead of simply passing on your delusions? You want to see how much is going to the poor? Look at the budget and see the facts, a lot more goes to the rich than to the poor. Your perception is way off, as usual. I prefer nature. If you don't get out there and work for it every day, you just don't eat. And I don't want to hear any sad stories of disabled people. I am permanently totally disabled, and still work. I know blind people and people in wheelchairs that work. You may prefer nature but normal Americans don't. They want a just and equitable system of government that does the job of helping them make their lives better. Humans lived in nature for thousands of years. It sucked. That's one reason why humans created government in the first place, to try to ameliorate the hardships of nature. In a winner take all society the winners love the system but the losers, who make up the majority, see things differently. Who do you think matters the most, the few who can come out on top or the majority? Don't bother. If you're a Republican you care about those on top not the people in the middle or on the bottom. They get help and those on the bottom have to fend for themselves. It's all in the attitude. Some want to do all they can. And some want to sit and watch PPV WWF Wrestling, scream, "Where's mah checccck" and call Meals on Wheels for free food AND delivery. And some want to do all they can but it's denied them. In case you overlooked it, nearly all of the good jobs are taken and there's plenty of people left over. Every good job has hundreds or thousands of applicants. Only one gets the job and everyone else has to take the dregs. It isn't that people don't want to work or won't work. The problem is that most jobs don't pay enough or give enought benefits to have any kind of life. Look at how hard it is to be single and get ahead. One source of income is all you get. Most jobs pay $35,000 or less, most pay a lot less. If you are making $25,000 a year and have to live on your own I'd like to see how you get anywhere. You can't, maybe a few can but that doesn't mean anything to the 99% who work but still can't get ahead. They have jobs and no government help and can barely get by. That's what it's like for most Americans these days. But according to you all it takes is hard work and you'll succeed. Can you really be so foolish to believe that? And by the way, most of the people watching PPV and WWF are white males from the south who are Republicans. And then there's Cliff and his ilk that obviously want to do nothing but screech all day. No time left to work. Why don't they at least get a job writing for a newspaper or publication where they can share all their vast intellect and solutions for the salvation of mankind? Because they're not into solutions, but just like to hear their own screeching. As I said, try to find a job in a newspaper. You can apply but the jobs are all taken and when one does open 300 people apply for it. If you are the one that gets hired, great. If you are one of the 299 one job opening isn't very helpful. Of course, there are always jobs at Wal-Mart to be had, and you know what a reliable path to success those jobs are. BTW, I get SS based on money I put in while working, and a union pension from a job I chose as a career because I knew it had benefits. And I still horsetrade for spending money. My golden years are going to be spent enjoying what I make. Catastrophic illness can't wipe me out because I have structured all my assets in trusts that can't be touched. Something anyone can do. And when I did have a catastrophic illness, cabgx5 avr, insurance covered all but $3,000 out of $230,000. And that was paid for by my paying insurance premiums for 30 years. Something any Democrat or Republican can do. If you are disabled then you should understand that you don't have any guarantees in this life. You think you are safe now but I bet there are plenty of things that can still go wrong and leave you with nothing. The problem with your type is that until it happens you think "it can't happen to me". You ought to know better at your age. As the saying goes, "there but by the grace of God go I". You should consider yourself lucky, forget how much work you've done, you're one of the ones getting the checks. You're deluding yourself if you really think that they can't come to an end. Again, those benefits you are getting, you'd never even have them without Democrats in the past having gotten them for you. I will remind you that Republicans fought to prevent Social Security from passing and they also tried to prevent unions from being legalized. So the party that didn't want you to have Social Security or to allow you to be in a union is the party that you are a member of. How could you be so stupid to support a party that fought tooth and nail to keep you from having the benefits that you would be absolutely screwed without? You must be a complete idiot. Hope that clears thing up for you. Hawke |
The End of Pensions -- But Keep Voting for Republicans as You Spend Your Golden Years in a Cardboard Box on the Street
To a modern neocon, LBJ was a flaming liberal. :^) Jim In your wildest dreams, do you ever imagine that he wasn't? Time for you to investigate critical thinking. Nah... for you real thinking would be a waste of energy. |
The End of Pensions -- But Keep Voting for Republicans as You Spend Your Golden Years in a Cardboard Box on the Street
On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:18:05 -0800, "Hawke"
wrote: All it takes is hard work to suceed in America. Almost everyone knows that is bull****. Just look at the king of vacations. Never did an honest day's work in his life AFAIK. -- Cliff |
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